#Anti Fujoshi

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Vivziepop’s dream episode of a Helluva/Hazbin crossover is just all the male characters making out with each other for 30 minutes. And that is fine, as long as I get to take all the female characters to a lone island where I can feed them all ice cream and give them personalities.

[alyceinwonderland777]

@duncebento A straight man fetishizing lesbian couples and a straight woman fetishizing gay couples are equally disgusting. People are not your sex toys. Hope this helps. ❤️

[jaegerisim]

Special mention to Mina Ashido, Momo Yaoyorozu and Kyoka Jiro and every girl in MHA ☺️

[demiaroacejadeharley]

Brandon Rogers slutshaming a fictional minor (Octavia) for "cockblocking" a MLM ship is so disgusting. I've always known that Vivziepop (and maybe Brandon, too) was a Fujoshi as usually people and media that sexualizes and fetishizes Queer men and MLM relationships see women as some sort of threat to their ships, and as a result they will villianize and demonize those women.

Helluva Boss perfectly sets that up with Viv writing Stella to be some sort of evil bitch, when in actuality she's a woman whose justifiably angry at her husband for cheating on her. On top of that, we have Octavia, who just wants her father to pay attention to her, just for her to be reduced down as just another female character in the way of a MLM ship to happen.

I would like to point out that I've been in a similar situation as both Octavia and Stella. I've experienced infidelity twice in my life by my first two exes. My first ex tried to leave me for another girl who was already in another relationship (and it turned out he only dated me out of pity and had no feelings for me to begin with), and my second ex cheated on me with his previous ex and lied about the breakup between him and his ex. I'm also a child of divorce, and I have a father who would rather be with his girlfriend than seeing both my brother and I. So, as someone who experienced betrayal by both a parent and a partner, I find myself relating to Octavia and Stella and sympathizing with both of them.

People like Vivziepop and Brandon Rogers are usually extremely misogynistic and treat women poorly by reducing them down to being a bitch (Stella, Loona, Verosika, Vaggie, and maybe Lilith), be only known as the significant other of another character (Millie and Vaggie), or reduced down to just be another obstacle for a MLM ship to happen (Octavia and Stella). And it's really sad that Vivziepop, a woman, poorly handles her female characters, and there shouldn't be an excuse for it, too.

I honestly believe that Vivziepop really hates herself and must be dealing with some internalized misogyny. Women who have internalized misogyny view themselves as "not like other girls" and view other women with traits they don't like in a villiainzing lens. Which is why hyper femme characters like Verosika and Stella are characterized as being bitchy. While tomboy characters like Millie are the complete opposite of that and are shown to treat others kindly.

I wouldn't be surprised that when the second season of Hazbin Hotel comes out, Viv would probably plan on having Lucifer get with a male character, with Lilith (or Charlie) coming in serving like some sort of interference from that ship from happening. Because knowing her, if she wrote Octavia and Stella to be some sort of force to prevent Stolitz from happening, then she'll do the same thing with Charlie and Lilith if Lucifer gets with another male character.

[formywriyinglalala]

Selected Excerpts from the Paper "On Gender Anxiety Among Female BL Readers" by Cheng Yanan

before any non-chinese person reads this... this is not talking about mlm fiction written by actual gay men, but rather mlm fiction written and read by straight women

1. The Weakening of the Uke's Image: Contradiction Between the Pursuit of Equality and Self-Denigration

"The character schema of seme and uke still replicates the binary gender roles of a patriarchal society."

"BL enthusiasts are caught in the contradiction of consciously pursuing gender equality while subconsciously denigrating themselves."

"Female characters are severely marginalized in most BL texts."

"The initial intention of female readers to pursue gender-neutral personal development by breaking gender stereotypes is compromised as BL fans collectively and unconsciously construct female characters under the male gaze, reinforcing patriarchal aesthetic constraints on women."

2. Female Characters: The Inescapable Gender Gaze

(BL novels) have not created new, realistic, and free gender images, nor have they made valuable breakthroughs in reshaping rigid gender characteristics in social culture. Female readers merely vent their negative emotions—such as the helplessness and resentment of being gazed at in real society—excessively in BL novels. However, they are unable to break away from the male gaze, resulting in the portrayal of stereotypical female roles within a patriarchal culture. This dichotomy of good versus evil, one-size-fits-all construction reveals the female readers' confusion and misjudgment of their own gender under the constraints of patriarchal thinking. The unbreakable patriarchal gender imagination acts like a glass ceiling, causing women to struggle between the male gaze and gazing at men."

3. The Paradox of Homosexual Physiology and Sexual Oppression: The Difficulty of Facing Sexual Desire

"BL readers, on one hand, pursue sexual liberation, and on the other, find it difficult to confront their own sexual desires directly. They resort to oppressive erotic content in BL texts to realize sexual fantasies and obtain sexual pleasure."

"Additionally, females striving to discard feudal chastity values in reality often reinforce them in BL texts."

"BL enthusiasts have yet to escape the patriarchal conditioning of female bodily desires, unconsciously reproducing the sexual oppression women face in society within the uke characters in novels."

4. Avoiding Conflict: Cathartic Release of Anxiety

"BL novels do not actively explore homosexuality as a social existence but rather provide a means for romantic fantasy."

"In the carnival of fantasy and daydreaming, female readers’ gender anxiety is temporarily relieved in a self-deceptive manner, achieving a fleeting reconciliation between their gender 'superego' and 'id.' However, their confusion does not lead to further exploration. BL literature opts to avoid facing social taboos and real-life challenges."

"Given the grim survival conditions for women in reality, the unique cultural background, the gap with Western feminism, the academic isolation of gender studies, and the misinterpretation of feminism in the media, female readers find it hard to believe in the possibility of overthrowing the existing gender order and ultimately achieving gender equality based on the fact that inherent biological differences are a reality. Moreover, in an era of individualism, the fading sense of elite feminist responsibility has led them, to some extent, to no longer wish to struggle for the common ideal of gender equality in traditional ways. Reading BL novels, as Beauvoir mentioned in 'The Second Sex,' becomes an easier measure for releasing gender fantasies and alleviating anxiety, compared to anxiously seeking a way out. Constructing same-sex love stories free of physiological differences proves to be a more straightforward approach."

[impeerpressure]

hi instagram made me angry

Hi I’m a mlm boy. I like dudes. I am a dude who kisses other men. Hi wsp what’s good.

If you aren’t aware, the term ‘fujoshi’ literally means rotten girl. It is used by girls who consume yaoi/bl content. They are calling themselves ‘rotten’ or ‘sinful’ for enjoying gay content. This is an issue, and if you are in fact capable of critical thinking I’m sure you can see why.

I want to be entirely clear with this: I do not have an issue with girls/non-mlm consuming mlm content. That is not a problem AT ALL. There are a lot of really good mlm stories and character out there and they should be appreciated. The issue comes when non-mlms start writing or romanticizing awful, abusive relationships in fiction just because it’s mlm. The biggest example of this I can think of is Killing Stalking, a mlm webtoon that showcased an absolutely horrid relationship.

It also becomes an issue when these non-mlm fujoshi (or whatever version of the term they decide to use) start carrying this mlm obsession over into the real world. There are countless stories of mlms being asked if they’re a ‘uke’ or a ‘seme’ after revealing their relationship or sexuality. There are hundreds of accounts of non-mlms obsessively shipping boys from their schools just because it’s gay and they think they’re so quirky and silly and goofy for it. Shipping real people is weird. Shipping real people just because it’s gay is weirder.

You should not be proud to call yourself a ‘rotten girl’ for liking mlm ships. Viewing mlm ships and people solely as a twisted form of entertainment is not support or allyship.

And if you’re a trans/non-binary/gender-questioning/etc person who’s using mlm content to explore your own gender and sexuality, that is okay! There’s nothing wrong with using content to figure that out because again, there is nothing wrong with non-mlms consuming mlm content as long it isn’t only harmful content or you aren’t bothering real people with it.

I can’t stress that point enough. Consume and create all the kinds of content you like! mlm content isn’t solely for mlm people! That being said, if you find an account that’s labeled as mlm only, don’t be an asshole and respect that. Some places are simply meant for support and as safe spaces. Just don’t cross any boundaries, don’t romanticize toxic and abusive relationships, and leave real people alone. And for the love of the stars, don’t call yourself a ‘rotten girl’ for enjoying mlm content or refer to your favorite mlm ship as ‘sinful.’ That’s just all kinds of harmful.

[littledemon55]

"It's hurting trans eggs when you say something against fujoshis!!!1!1!!1!11! 😭😭😭"

As if Fujoshis weren't transphobic towards trans people (especially trans man, who they claim get hurt if you say something against rotten girls.) Like... Stop pretending your brain dead ass could accept a guy who is pre T.

We don't need the fetishization of mlm people to figure out who we are. 💀 There's a difference between simply liking mlm mangas, and thinking it's sinful when two men make out and having to make it your entire personality!

-sincerely, a trans guy.

[leogoth21]

If you call yourself a fujoshi, stay away from me. People like you creep me out...

[sluttymimikyu]

Fucking toxic shippers ruining everything.

Jinx is the example of what's WRONG in not only a gay "relationship", but in any relationship in general regarding the gender.

The worst part is that there's people thinking this is fine.

[dastardly-dyke]

If I see one more “fujoshi” girl “fangirling” over mlm couples and saying “I ship it UwU!!” I am going to obtain a baseball bat for very unwholesome reasons

Sincerely, a lesbian

[alyceinwonderland777]

⚠️TRIGGER WARNING⚠️: HOMOPHOBIA

The tweet:

Definition of "fujoshi":

In simple terms, "fujoshis" are a bunch of freaks who treat gay men as sex toys.

My responses and the clown's responses 🤡:

Could y'all please report this shitty account? It's disgusting and spreads homophobic retoric.

[jaegerisim]

I am so mad rn. I was peacefully going thru the ronance tag when i came across a fic tagged as ronance. But when I looked closer I realized it was a “Steve/Billy/Eddie” fic cross tagged! Not only that but 2 tags were “Not Nancy Wheeler or Robin Buckley friendly” and the other was “Nancy Wheeler is homophobic”. The author is a cishet woman aka a fujoshi. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 To make matters worse I discovered that “Not Nancy Wheeler friendly” is a whole ass tag filled with Steddie, H*ring rove and Stobin fics. I am so mad I wanna punch something. I will NOT tolerate Nancy Wheeler slander! It got worse cuz in one apparently it was tagged “Will Byers and Billy Hargrove have a sibling relationship” and “Jonathan Byers and Nancy Wheeler Slander” So I’m like bitch?? 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 Will would hate Billy sm cuz he’d remind him of Lonnie. Also have u even watched the show?? These ppl physically pain me and make me wanna crawl into a hole and die.

[squaloropera]

alright, I was originally gonna make this as a comic but I’m really busy so I can’t manage that. I swear, this is my last anti-fujoshi post and then we’ll be back to our regularly scheduled inane nonsense.

firstly, I’ve seen a lot of people saying that they dislike the term ‘fujoshi’ to describe these people because of its misogynistic origins. I find this to be reasonable, so I will be referring to them as maiali pervertiti instead. It’s Italian! Hope y’all like it xx That out of the way, let’s begin.

I have put real, genuine, actual research into this. I scoured maiali pervertiti blogs to find their arguments, their mindsets, their justifications. As far as I could find, there are four main arguments. These being the following: ‘It’s just fiction, not reality’, ‘Hating us is misogynistic’ ‘hating us is transphobic/homophobic’ and ‘hating us is racist’. I will be unpacking each of these, looking at them from both perspectives, and explaining why exactly they’re flawed perspectives. Hopefully, a properly researched and informed take on this will help to clear the waters.

Let’s start with the first take. The ever-quoted ‘it’s just fiction, not reality’. This is an argument you’ll find in a lot of places, mostly in any place which is in support of questionable things being treated as erotic. Pro ships and pro-shippers also love to tote this. Now, on its surface this argument seems logical. However it starts to fall apart when you think about it critically. When we consider how the brain works, you’ll see what I mean. To be concise, the human mind slowly accepts things the more it’s exposed to justifications for them, regardless of how reasonable those justifications are. It associates a bad thing with ‘but nevermind, it’s fine’ and you stop feeling shame or regret over time. This is why you’ll often see lolicons say downright atrocious things about child characters- they’ve justified it for so long that they don’t see a problem with it.

Now, on the ‘it doesn’t affect reality’ claim, let’s look at other groups for this. Think about how many studies have been done saying that men who watch rape porn are more likely to become rapists. Think of all the people raised on the ‘I can fix him’ mentality on tv growing up to get in bad relationships or romanticise abuse under the idea that they can make an abuser better by loving him. It’s no secret of society that, actually, fiction does affect reality. The most concise, albeit silly way I’ve heard it put was ‘But you’re still jacking off to it. It’s affecting your dick and balls’. And I think that sums it up.

Next, let’s look at the ‘If you hate us you’re misogynistic’ claim. The mentality behind this claim is that women in Japan were referred to as ‘rotten girl’ for liking yaoi and bl, and to continue that rhetoric of not liking them is the continuation of misogyny. Again, this is a take that seems logical right up until you pick it apart. First we have to understand that the reason these men were calling these women rotten was because they disapproved of them exploring their sexuality and reading erotic content at all. They don’t hate women for reading gay porn, they hate women for reading porn period. The gay people criticising maiali pervertiti on tumblr aren’t hating them for the same reason. We don’t hate you for reading porn, read all the porn you’d like, we just want you to stop fetishising us. The difference is in the context; the men who were shaming Japanese women were shaming them for exploring their sexualities, were shaming you for treating an entire minority of people like they’re a porn category and for spreading gross, abusive content of mlm because you think it’s hot. It’s also important to note that Japanese women mostly started reading yaoi and bl because of the culture toward female sexuality in Japan. They couldn’t read erotica of straight couples, or they’d be seen as perverts. They couldn’t read wlw erotica, or they’d be seen as lesbians and shamed. Their only option for exploring their sexuality became mlm erotica. You, Lindsey from California, do not share this same issue.

Next we have the ever-irritating ‘If you hate us, you’re a transphobe’ argument.

*deep, deep sigh*

stay with me, fellow trans achillians. We can get through this. This argument is based in the idea that transmascs, specifically mlm transmascs, might read yaoi to explore their genders through sexual content. Unfortunately, exploring your gender through erotica and having a fetish are two different things. I personally did explore my gender through gay sexual content. Mostly fanfiction and mental fantasy, but with the odd fanart or comic sprinkled in there for flavour. The difference is that I never had a fetish for it. Most maiali pervertiti seem to argue with a very subtle straw man by implying that reading mlm content is the same as reading the gross rape porn yaoi that ‘fujoshi’ spaces are steeped in. This is not the case- there is a clear divide. I personally consumed actual, healthy content of gay sex. To go further with this argument, I actually think it’s actively harmful to perpetuate the idea that young trans people struggling with their gender should be exploring it through the things that are spread in fujoshi spaces. I’ve read some pf this stuff mostly by accident or against my will and that shit should not be associated in a young trans person’s mind with their gender. It isn’t safe.

Next we have ‘it’s homophobic to hate us’ which is definitely. A take. The rhetoric here is that by hating on the fetishisation consumption of yaoi, you’re really just hating gay men.

this is just… can I drop the nuance voice here? It’s bullshit. It’s gross bullshit. Gross, steaming, cowpat bullshit. Okay, nuance voice back up, let’s explore. maiali pervertiti, please understand that it’s mostly gay people who don’t like you. This is, again, a straw man argument. They’re trying to yell homophobia so they can ignore the real criticisms. The problem isn’t the homosexuality, my dear sweet perverted little fucking weirdos, it’s the rape porn and incest and abuse. Just read normal fucking mlm content I’m begging you.

Finally, we have the ‘it’s racist to hate us’ argument. This is an example of what I like to call ‘the firemen diversion’. This name comes from an example where a person might take the statistic of their being higher fatality risk the more firemen walk into a burning building, and then using it as an argument to suggest that it’s dangerous to call the fire brigade if there’s a fire. There’s a tiny nugget of reasonable argument in there, but it’s backing up a complete and utter bullshit lie.

This is basically what this argument is. The idea here is that the term ‘fujoshi’ was originally a reclaimed slur, and that westerners are changing it to degrade women again and are therefore misunderstanding the actual language behind it.

Now, this is based in a little bit of truth. Westerners do, in all fairness, misunderstand the term. I can’t speak for the reclamation of the slur, considering how I don’t know if that’s true, but I do know that the way it’s used has been quite incorrect a lot of the time. That’s the true bit. The rest of the argument, however, is nonsensical. While yes, some people misunderstand the word ‘fujoshi’, it doesn’t mean that the criticism of the culture (especially the culture in the western world) is racist. Please, don’t cry racism when you see people asking not to be fetishised. You will end up making the actual movement against anti-Asian hate crimes (which have increased in recent years, need I remind you) look less credible. Once again, I am asking allies to shut the fuck up talking for the minorities they claim to represent while being batshit insane x

TL;DR: no, it is not misogynistic, racist, transphobic or homophobic when gay people tell you to stop fetishising us. Stop arguing straw men and just take accountability.

Also, maiali pervertiti are the female equivalent of straight men who watch lesbian porn. But somehow worse. That’s all, have a good day.

[bwarkz]

homie is wearing the homophobia allegations like a goddamn badge of honour, holy shit

[formywriyinglalala]

Thesis Share: "Research on Chinese Online Boys' Love Novels from the Perspective of Gender Theory" by Zhang Jiaojiao

uke: bottom, submissive, "feminine"

seme: top, dominant, "masculine"

"Even if women wish to pursue equal romance in BL fiction through male romance, a priori gender judgments and comparisons still exist and are directly projected onto the male 'seme' and 'uke' roles. This leads to the emergence of a distinction between the superior and inferior among characters that should be absolutely equal in these works."

"In the heterosexual world, marriage, sex, and procreation are often intertwined, resulting in the repression of homosexuality. However, BL novels do not portray resistance to this heterosexual hegemony but rather compliance. They subtly incorporate the power oppression of women by men in heterosexual relationships into male-male stories, continuously reshaping male images to meet the needs of heterosexual relationships. Under the guise of male-male romance, they tell stories of heterosexual love. The weakened males, the beautiful 'ukes,' the pregnant men, and the blushing virgin 'ukes' are essentially projections of women themselves. They are women donning male shells, falling in love with another man under the shadow of a patriarchal society, and then forming a complete family by having children with them."

"Thus, although BL novels contain elements of homosexuality, under the representation of homosexuality lies a reproduction of heterosexuality, a unique expression of women's self. On one hand, they desire ideal men, equal love, and a complete family. On the other hand, they believe these demands are difficult to achieve in real life as women. They think that only male love can escape the oppression of money, procreation, and marriage in love, leading to the awkward scenario of two men in love but not genuinely in love with each other. Behind the protagonists of BL novels are the voices of heterosexual women; behind male-male romance is the reflection of heterosexual issues, with women finally daring to confront their desires by residing behind male facades."

"BL novels are essentially misogynistic; they are tools for women to escape their female identities."

Limitation: The article's limitation lies in its attempt to interpret the psychology of BL readers using Freudian theory.

[spike-official]

Pearl Fey is an Anti-Fujoshi!