#ARE FICTIONAL GAYS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU????
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After Eric moved in, he still felt more like a roommate than a lover who shared your home. A few weeks in, he got comfortable enough to lounge shirtless, but you still weren't seeing those strong sculpted legs you always saw when he lived in his apartment. It wasn't until you said, "you know, you don't have to wear any clothes in the house if you don't want to," did everything change. It was only then did he really begin to feel comfortable and relax. You began to see the real personality come out that you fell in love with in the first place. A few months later, you realized this magic phrase was not only getting you laid more, but was also saving you money - why would you stop at Starbucks on the way home when there was a naked man at the house to make coffee for you?
What you did not expect was that the elderly lady who lived next door wanted to start paying your husband to do yard work for her, sans apparel. Sure did feel nice that the neighbors were so accepting of you two as a gay couple. ___________________ Captions are fictional. Archive at www.allbecauseoftheboys.com.
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How the Duffers likely will make the general audience AWARE of Byler and CHEER for Byler
First the TL;DR. They'll probably do it with:
The Painting Lie
Will comes out to Mike
Will gets bullied for being gay, and Mike must make a choice
Mike and Will face danger together, alone, for the 1st time
And I'll spell out exactly how and why!
We in the Byler fandom have our theories: Flickergate, Lettergate, Churchgate, etc. While totally fun and while it would be amazing if they became reality, they don't answer the question of how the Duffers would manage audience expectations to make them accept and cheer for Byler.
Because we all know the reality: on a surface level, season 4 ended with a grand "love confession" from Mike to El. It appeared to have culminated a four-year arc that started from show's beginning. For the vast majority of viewers, a Byler relationship will be a HUGE SURPRISE.
This isn't just heteronormativity; it's also the fact that in every slow-burn romantic relationship in fiction, you need to make the show to openly present the question "Will they or won't they?" for a while first. The audience needs to start thinking that these 2 characters (1) MIGHT be together, and (2) eventually that they SHOULD be together and cheer for them!
For Jonathan and Nancy, there were a lot of moments suggesting they MIGHT be together in Season 1. Then in Season 2, we had THIS episode that made the audience think Nancy absolutely SHOULD be with Jonathan instead of Steve:
The show then dragged things out MORE before their first kiss.
Anti-Bylers raise a fair point that there "isn't enough time" to replace a relationship that seemed to have been "fulfilled" at the end of s4, with an entirely different one. Of course, the ground has been laid for four seasons, but HOW EXACTLY can the Duffers make the audience accept and cheer for Byler, after seeming to have "built up Mike and El for 4 seasons"?
Showing Byler is POSSIBLE:
First, the most obvious (and elegant) way for the Duffers to accomplish this is the Painting Lie.
The main things that make the General Audience/GA dismiss the idea that Mike likes Will back are that he (1) confessed "I love you" to El and (2) said "it's not my fault you don't like girls" and so can't be gay or bi.
The show has to address these two things, and there are ways that are pretty obvious.
The fact that El had no role in the painting COMPLETELY undercuts the "I love you" confession in the GA's mind. Anti-Milevens completely underestimate how this will affect Mike and El's relationship, and how the audience will view it. In the van, Will was not describing El, but himself. Many things Mike said didn't apply to El, but applied to Will.
When El finds out, she'll realize that Mike only said he loved her based on a LIE. She'll realize that she accurately clocked Mike for not loving her when they argued in s4. Mike might desperately try to repair things. Even if he does, this will show the GA that Mike and El WILL PROBABLY NOT end up together.
And Mike will be confronted with the fact that he felt romantic love because Will described HIMSELF. The GA will then know that Mike and Will MIGHT be together. (IF he is gay or bi, which they probably won't know quite yet!)
Then there's the OTHER Chekhov's gun that needs to fire: Will comes out to Mike. Will is still in the closet at the end of s4, and his right to be himself and find happiness is clearly central to his future arc. This HAS to be resolved. And he HAS to come out to his mom and to his BEST FRIEND.
When he comes out to Mike, he of course won't spurn Will. Will probably explains he didn't come out earlier because he was afraid Mike would be homophobic because of what he'd said that summer, "It's not my fault you don't like girls":
Mike will need to explain why he said that. Whether he's honest or nervously comes up with an excuse, it's a golden opportunity to get the GA to revisit that scene and see before their very eyes that Mike might be dealing with internalized homophobia.
This is one way to signal to the GA that Mike might be gay or bi. And there is one other!
We've been told that Season 5 returns to Season 1 themes. The Core Four are probably bullied for the Hellfire Club, and Will might be bullied for being gay. The Duffers have said that s5 will center on his "emotional arc" and his "coming into his own as a young man," and so his confronting homophobia in an 80s small town is quite likely. Since Mike and Will are joined at the hip in s5, the same accusation might extend to Mike. This would mean that Mike will be confronted with the CHOICE of whether he'll stand up to the bullying. (Perhaps this is why there's a BTS pic of Mike with a bruise on his face?) The show could strongly imply to the GA that Mike is standing up not only for Will, but for himself. (Defending Will would also clearly parallel Jonathan fighting Steve in s1, which showed Nancy that "only love makes you that crazy sweetheart, and that damn stupid.")
How Season 5 can make the GA CHEER for Byler:
First, the show has put Will through so much trauma and made clear how selfless he is, that the audience already wants him to have a happy ending. He almost certainly will suffer again in s5. Meanwhile, the show has made clear that his love for Mike is PAINFULLY deep and won't simply go away.
Once the GA sees the POSSIBILITY of a Mike/Will romance as per above, their mental floodgates will open. As Jancy shows, It doesn't take much to get the audience to cheer for a relationship, after the seeds are planted. And Byler has FOUR SEASONS of seeds for the GA to look back on with fresh eyes!
How to recall those 4 seasons of material? We already know that Will is in danger and Mike is again rallying the party in s5. This likely will echo Mike and Will's relationship in s1 and s2 (probably with flashbacks, including the newly-filmed flashback from when they were young kids, bringing their long-time closeness to the fore in viewers' minds).
Plus, we likely will have Will and Mike facing danger together, alone, for the first time:
It was Jonathan and Nancy facing danger together in s1 that made the vast majority of viewers ship Jancy. Mike and Will facing danger will put their love and willingness to risk their lives for each other to the fore. The GA will be made to remember all their sacrifices for each other: Mike putting Will before everything in s1 and s2, and Will sacrificing his feelings to help Mike be with El. They might hug each other after a near-death experience and have a mutual Gay Panic, which will be a callback (and contrast) to their non-hug at the airport. Millions will say "They should just kiss already."
There are SO MANY WAYS to get the audience cheering for Byler.
Will probably lives in Mike's house because the Byers don't have their own house in Hawkins anymore. Mike will KNOW the painting came from Will and wonder if it was romantic. The tension between them in s5 will make s4 look like nothing in comparison.
When Will comes out to him, Mike might ask, "Is... there anyone you like?"
He'll ask NERVOUSLY, like he once did before:
Will probably won't answer honestly; he might make up another boy! Mike says, "Cool." Which leads to a new cycle of these two boys thinking their love is unrequited LOL.
But this time the General Audience will be fully aware of it. The miscommunication trope widely used in fictional TV romances will not only tell the GA that Byler should happen, but that it WILL happen. Will and Mike become THE "Will they or won't they?" couple that everyone is talking about. Mike's sexuality will not be officially revealed until mid or late season in order to let the excitement build. If Season 5 is released in more than one volume, there will be a flurry of videos and articles revisiting past seasons, finding evidence of Mike's feelings for Will that we Bylers have analyzed and curated for years. Except for a few vocal homophobes, the show will have made the GA (even people who don't watch analysis videos online) fully onboard with a Byler conclusion before it happens.
Season 5 will be messy. And glorious. It will be the most Byler season of all.
-teambyler
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Every day I see discourse about how it’s problematic to make a character a trans man and an omega in omegaverse or problematic to “treat a twink character like ‘the girl one’” or some nonsense and then I come on your blog and it’s a breath of fresh air every time. LOVED that post about the rapid werewolf pregnancy, so glad the world will never lack for fetish stuff that I actually like just because people incorrectly think gay people are reinventing gender roles in writing about fictional smut scenarios.
Honestly, sometimes I see people get a bit grumpy and upset with recs of my work because there aren't enough trans men topping or what have you and they're just not interested in trans men bottoming or subbing and that's completely fine!
But it doesn't mean that I'm some sort of evil fetishisiser force-feminising every trans or effete man and single-handedly holding up the side of global transphobia, lmao.
Some people are unfortunately just very sensitive about their own dysphoria and project it onto other people's fetish and kink work, and not everyone has the ability to separate their own dysphoria or discomfort, or just having the ick, from their perceived ethics or morality of that work existing.
It's difficult for many people to unlearn those reactionary tendencies, especially without exposure to healthy and unemotional talk about sex and sexuality, including kink and fetish, and so faced with all that tangled emotion and nowhere to put it, you end up with angry essays and paragraph on paragraph about how this is upholding various bigotries or is responsible for actual hate crimes and such.
Rest assured I will be posting away with my usual revolting erotic horror and terrible hentai scenarios because I just think they're such fun. And in the meantime, all the best to those poor lads tangling themselves in knots about it - we can only hope they're able to find comfort where they can and chill the fuck out at some point.
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as a gay swiftie i need to say it i fucking hate gaylors so much. the news of the split of her 7 year relationship came out yesterday and gaylor is already trending on twitter. it doesnt matter how huge of a status a person has STOP READING INTO THE SEXUALITY OF REAL HUMAN BEINGS!!!!!!
#if a real person comes out then woohoo celebrate thats so fun but STOP OBSESSING OVER THAT VISION THIS GOES FOR SO MANY CELEBRITIES#ARE FICTIONAL GAYS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU????#also i dont understand bc its just way more fun when its fiction??? like this shit was written intentionally its MEANT for analyzing#there was someone on tiktok i saw a while ago that would not shut up about her being a lesbian not even bi a lesbian-#as if she wasnt (at the time) in a happy relationship with a man#it makes me so mad like yes its possible she could be queer but she doesnt owe us a coming out or anything like that#stop being fucking weird#taylor swift#gaylor
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If you want to fight for representation maybe don't fucking antagonize artists/writers who fight for it because "it's not good enough!"
Entitled people with ridiculous bullshit expectations like this hold back representation so much
Like I could throw all that criticism toward Legend Of Korra and Steven Universe back at TOH and other shows like it when it comes to disabled representation- "its only coding! It's not outright stated! Eda's curse turns her into a monster! Wahhh" I've stated I don't like how TOH handled disability but I'm so happy it exists because hopefully we'll open up more story telling that explores disability through the perspective of disabled characters themselves rather than a bunch of able bodied neurotypical people writing/regurgitating the same inspiration porn bullshit
I'm not saying we can't criticize these shows (SU and LoK have issues that deserve to be discussed) but creators working on them fought so hard just to get moments like Korra and Asami getting together, for the first lesbian wedding on a children's show. New shows get to flex that they have these characters because other shows like Legend of Korra punched through barriers to give them space- they didn't have space so they made some! You can criticize SU and LoK like I said- SU has serious issues with Filler and some botched ass morals and LoK could be shallow in some parts but if you try and flex on them because new shows have an easier time with gay representation your a fucking idiot- your new shows wouldn't exist without these ones
But no. It's never blunt/explicit enough, it's too problematic because xyz', it's not representing every single facet of our experiences so it must be bad.
Also the gems being nonbinary/genderless just adds another layer to LGBT representation
Are y'all gonna attack TOH because Raine is nonbinary and their relationship with Eda "doesn't count"
I'm done being polite. You can criticize rep and call out harmful things in fiction without erasing the importance of these stories
Steven Universe: Eh, I don't really feel like saying "girlfriend" or "wife". Maybe they're together. They have a special connection...
(gets violently shoved aside)
The Loud House/Craig of the Creek/The Owl House: Pfft, amateur. "My GIRLFRIEND Sam and I..." "I'm texting my GIRLFRIEND, mind your business." "Luz's new GF showed her..."
#The owl house#loud house#legend of korra#craig of the creek#Steven Universe#With RWBY I love the bees but I admit the ship has issues#But I won't erase it's importance#Especially considering RWBY for all its flaws helped me as a young lesbian#Same goes for the Legion Of Superheroes cartoon#And My Little Pony#I don't criticize the rep in LoSH because it was the best they could do- and I treat SU and LoK the same#I feel lame admitting that these shows helped me#As an autistic person with a family that has dealt with illnesses from lupus to schizophrenia and profound/functional intellectual disabi#-lities I have gripes with TOH#But I also acknowledge it's importance and I don't think it's all bad- I just wish certain things in the show were handled more sensitively#I'm so done being nice when defending these shows#I'm not gonna get mad at LoK for not being perfect with Korrasami because it was the best they could do#Do you not realize how hard it was back then#I'm only 21 but my sister (who is bi) remembers a time before gay marriage and crazy evangelical nonsense because she's older#She doesn't like SU and even she said complaints like this were bull- because the shows people make this complaint about stood against odds#They won. It was hard and it was messy but they won even though they didn't have a horse in the race so you can forgive them for having a-#Few bruises and not being in first place#You have a horse in the race- your still at a disadvantage yes but you have a better chance#Gay#lgbtqia#I'm so done#representation is representation#Unless it's actually super harmful (like how she-hulk represents mental illness) or baiting (like lightyear) then you take it and learn to-#Do better if there was a problem#People are so entitled
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ah, the homoerotic relationship between a human social outcast and an abomination against nature
#gravity falls#lisa frankenstein#please give me more examples if you can think of them#stanford pines#bill cipher#the creature lisa frankenstein#'but thats a man and a woman. how is that homoerotic!' you smallminded fool.!#any relationship with gay enough energy is homoerotic to me#and by gay enough energy i literally just mean any relationship that i enjoy in fiction HFHFGHGF#no seriously everytime i see a relationship in fiction being cute i go 'ohh gay!' even when its straight#lisa swallows#i forgot for a minute that her name isnt lisa frankenstein#my post#tropes
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i know this has been said 473773474833 times by the kavetham/haikaveh shippers and probably even nonshippers, but i'll say it again. I finally finished the genshin summer event and did the little after quest in sumeru and.....every time kaveh is sneaking around trying not to be noticed coming out of alhaithams house it's just such a gay vibe. he's basically screaming "I can't be caught being gay in a homophobic society!" even if that's not what the game writers are *actually* saying. that's just how it comes off and they can't make it come off any other way. with hoyo's gay history, it makes me wonder if it's on purpose and all a cover-up to have a technically different reason for it so they can get away with it lmao but we will never know.
#lee text#genshins#i can acknowledge how gay they are without liking thr ship#flashback to several kavetham/haikaveh (whatevwr their ship name is) shippers on here attacking me over not liking the ship#trying to “educate” me on why theyre sk gay and why i should ship it#look i didnt say they arent gay af. and these shippers dismissed my feelings completely#i think it was after that one event with the competition thing that kaveh won? idk but just they way they interacted#the way alhaitham talked to kaveh and the way kaveh responded TRIGGERED A TRAUMA RESPONSE IN ME#which made me dislike the ship and their dynamic! i didnt CARE if he was well meaning. the way he talked to kaveh#triggered a fight or flight response in me because it sounded similar to how ive been talked to and kaveh getting upset was similar to#how ive reacted to the same words. you can also argue my family cares about me like alhaitham does kaveh and its how he helps#but it doesnt mean its the kind of help we need and it doenst traumatize us lmao#so i dont get why people were so angry at me for getting triggered by this ship and disliking it for that reason#while i can still admit that they are gay af and seem to get a long a bit better after that and i can tolerate them now#since its been a while and i dont remember it enough to have a trauma response when seeing them anymore lmao#but its just annoying that shippers can be so toxic 💀 they care more about their fictional men ship than me. a real person. weird#not tagging the ship so i dont get more angry shippers in my notes....but they found me last time with no tags so hi. dont yell at me again!#but maybe no one will care since im putting my “anti ship propaganda” in the tags this time and not the main post lmao#just dont read my tags so you dont get mad at me for being uncomfortable by this ship dynamic. but if youre reading this...its too late#leave me alone they arent real and i am so im more important right 😅#let me shame the shippers that dismissed my real feelings because they think their ship is more important than a real person lmao#you cant tell me im wrong when a trauma response isnt a choice and happens against your will 💀#BE ASHAMED YOU NERDS#I WILL BITE YOUR KNEECAPS#sorry i just had to vent lmao
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The thing abt me is i WILL get too invested in side characters
#atlas save meeeee#i love this guy i need to do enough drawings of him that you tumblr people get invested in his gay little fictional life#[insert cool original post tag]#atlas m. spencer#the cornfield project#<- not the title but im using this until i have one.
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It's midnight and I'm finally free (for the next 10 hours then I'm back studying 😔😔😔 why can't they let students celebrate Christmas & New Year with gay fanfic in peace😔😔😔) SO I'M GOING TO ENJOY THIS WITH MY FRIED BRAIN YEHA!!!!!!
>I always thought I was going to be wild only on Ao3 HEY if anyone here reads this NO YOU DID NOT!!!
Hehehehehehe I love how everytime you speak to me you become even wilder 😌😌 ✨
>But also *pervy voice* here it is
YEAHHHHHH *CHEERING 📣*
>["Spank me."
Well, dinner first Arthur ✋ (joke aside I was expecting this but not this fast dknsjdbsbsjbz but I'm not complaining ehehhehehehhehehehehe)
>Merlin's palms prodding at his arse cheeks, massaging him like he was kneading bread buns.
Oh, to be merlin 😔🫶 I wish I had such (fictionally) stress ball
>Arthur opened his mouth to find the air again, lost in the bliss of it all. His neck craned back, and his lips parted on a prolonged mewl, one that made Merlin grip the back of his thigh with an hiss,
He is so pretty ✨✨✨✨✨
>"Fuck, Arthur--"
Do it Merlin 🫵 (my eyes are fighting for their life to close but gay porn is stronger!!!!!!!)
>His ears buzzed, and Merlin did it again. And another time, and one more, until the sounds of the slaps became arousing, to the point Arthur started squirming on the bed.
Arthur squirming makes every fic better 😌😌😌😌😌😌
>Merlin's hands skimmed up and down Arthur's throbbing flesh, like a man worshipping his deity, up to the hollow of his knees, raising his husband's body up what was needed, only to resume what he had been doing.
Worshipping and manhandling his husband as he should 😌😌😌😌 (also Arthur is so a pillow princess here zbjdbebdbdhd)
>He tried to raise his ass to feel the hits, and he presented the image of an arch, majestic enough to make Merlin's breath hitch, Arthur's spine a curve that stretched like the string of a guitar. His belly rose and fell, and his sweat had became so much, Arthur believed his body was as damp as if he had just gotten out of a shower.
10 000/10, deserve an award, HELL YEAH & I actually died, RIP ME.
>Happy Christmas' Eve
HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TOO AND MINE STARTED WITH THIS BEAUTIFULLY✨✨✨✨OMG JZBDBZJSJSJ
> I NEED TO CALM DOWN
Don't listen to your sanity listen to me do not calm down~~~
>my first time writing something on Tumbl
What an amazing start 😌😌😌😌✨
I'm a sucker for time travelling character that think that their past self are EMBARRASSING ™ and I think that it would very much be the case for Arthur (post-return) if he meet Arthur 'MERlin us so USELESS' Pendragon
Does post-return Arthur still make joke about Merlin? Of course, but only HE can do that!!!
Does post-return Arthur want to kick younger Arthur in the ass? Yes of course (you don't understand merlin he is a BRAT Oh I think I do)
#'husband' because they had just got married during the day and this was their honey moon ihihihih#AAAAWWWWWWWWWWW#But also I think most people don't get ban as long as you aren't too loud lol#Their search engines is shitty anyway how will they even find this lmao#merthur#bbc merlin
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as a media psychology researcher 85% of my job is figuring out the most horrifically academic way to say "you idiots wouldn't last a day on tumblr"
#my job really is turning band lore into observations that are abstract enough that we can do math about it#ADT my beloathed </3#time for me to rant now#you have no idea how frustrating it is for the general consensus in your field of research to be so completely off-base#sometimes the way I have to talk to get other researchers to listen to me makes me feel like I'm a traitor to my own beliefs#like yes. in a -very very basic- sense we do tend to like nice people who do good things and dislike mean people who do bad things#there are traceable social-evolutionary reasons for that#but its SOOOOOOOOOO reductive. especially when it comes to fiction (and it's not even limited to that!)#my entire dissertation is probably going to sum up like 'hey uhhh maybe sometimes people like characters because they're INTERESTING'#(cue 'what do you mean 'interesting'?')#and you'd think that's so fucking obvious (it is) but it will take me literal non-metaporical -years- of research to get that point across#when am I ever going to get further down my hit list. I also need to set aside time to destroy the concept of moral purity#and don't even get me STARTED on character identification. the measures for parasocial shit are so broken we might as well just start over#don't get me wrong I love my job. I get paid your hard earned tax dollars to do gay science#but sometimes I want to scream
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#OK I NEED TO STOP engaging with 911 ship wars but i have ONE MORE THING to say (probably lying)#i think it’s genuinely concerning how many people believe a ship has to have years of emotional connection before you’re allowed to ship it#like. imo you should be allowed to ship characters for any reason#crackships and rarepairs exist for a reason#secondly and probably more importantly#i think it’s really weird how many people are uncomfortable with the idea of gay sex#not in general but like#people were saying they were uncomfortable and weirded out because#an actor vaguely insinuated that the fictional character he plays would enjoy having gay sex with his partner#like people were calling him a freak#I THINK THATS WEIRD AND CONCERNING#it’s giving ‘my ship doesn’t have sex they make love while holding hands’#i think it ties into the first point#relationships are allowed to be built off attraction#you don’t need years and years of bonding for your relationship to be valid#and i think the visceral reaction against bucktommy because they’re not besties who share a kid is borderline homophobic#like there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike tommy and bucktommy like tommys previous behaviour#but being sooo against a ship based on the fact that there wasn’t enough ‘build up’ and that they don’t have a deep emotional bond#weird#and i don’t think it’s fetishisation to enjoy a canon couple im sorry that’s just a fucking crazy take#like it’s insane to me that apparently enjoying a gay ship is fetishisation unless it meets certain ‘emotional bonding’ criteria#also bathena is one of the most beloved ships on the show and their ‘build up’ was one date and a church hangout#and no one claims that they’re rushed and underdeveloped and that’s why one of them should be written off the show#like i said i think there’s a lot of valid reasons to dislike the ship (even if i do enjoy it)#but some of the arguments i’ve seen are just weird and i think you guys need to look at why it makes you uncomfortable#engage with other fandoms with more diverse ships and maybe you’ll calm down a little#911 discourse#for clarity the tumblr fandom seems to be okay but 911twt is an actual hell scape
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WHY MUST I ALWAYS GET INTO THE SADDEST FUCKING SHIPS WHY DO I KEEP DOING THIS TO MYSELF
#frankie yells#like fucking. sure any ship can be made sad if you try harder enough but also. fucking. why must it always be tragic little gays#im not complaining but also i keep fucking doing this to myself man why do i keep making myself sad over fictional gays 😭😭#like do i just only interact with the shit that makes me sad??? do i only really get engaged with sad fics etc. for them????#is this a me problem????#like. um. griddlehark. destiel. hannigram (sort of). ash/eiji. satosugu. aziracrow. zukka (in certain directions). shory. aaronneil.#most of my ao3 bookmarks are me sobbing my eyes out...#OH WAIT ALSO FUCKING. REDDIE 😭😭😭😭😭 I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING SOME BUT OMG REDDIEEEE#me like what if none of the mfs had a happy ending together? what then?#like babygirl are you okay??? why do you always want to be so sad??#oh god also fucking [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]... both of which i had to stop reading fics for bc i was making myself too sad#like genuinely there is a certain very long fic that i had to put down bc i was making myself depressed#OHMYGOD I FORGOT WANGXIAN AND BINGQIU.... honestly mdzs and svsss in general... kicking my feet 1 moment and sobbing the next#there are sooo many ships in both of those that make me so very sad... too many to remember or list atm tbh#i should go to bed 💀 lmao#it's too late for this nonsense ans i shouldn't have been watching destiel and hannigram compilations in the first place... of course im#just making myself sad...
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A lot of people will insist that the historical Ann* and Mary were lovers. A lot of people will insist that Ann and Rackham were lovers.
To the best of my knowledge, there is basically zero evidence for either that doesn't trace back to one book: A General History of the Pyrates, which was published a few years after their brief pirating career. And A General History is just... not a reliable source. It was sensationalist popular media of its day. It's A General History that establishes Ann and Rackham as lovers. It also includes a brief allusion to an encounter in which Ann makes a romantic advance on Mary (who is disguised as a man) before learning her true identity. This was elaborated on in subsequent accounts into them being lovers as well.
In fact, solid information about their lives outside the couple months they were known to be pirating, and their subsequent imprisonment and trial, is almost non-existent. There are some maybe records of their earlier lives, but its hard to impossible to prove that they refer to the same Ann and Mary, especially as Ann is known to have gone by multiple aliases, meaning we don't even really know that Ann Bonny was her real name.
You can't determine anything about their sexuality based on the existing records. They both were reportedly pregnant (how they got out of execution), but that obviously doesn't preclude being lesbian or bisexual. They both definitely cross-dressed as well-multiple eyewitnesses in the trial record confirm that, but that obviously doesn't prove someone is gay or bi either, just that they sometimes disregarded traditional gender norms.
Some people will loudly insist that they were definitely straight and that anything to the contrary is just made up- I think that's at best reaching for conclusion, and at worst a product of reactionary queer phobia. We simply don't have enough information to say, and assuming straight until proven queer is pretty much the definition of heteronormative bias.
If you're writing history, I'd say the only honest answer is "We don't know." Will probably never know.
If you're writing historical fiction like Black Sails, then go with whatever you think makes the most compelling story, and you're as likely to be right as anyone else.
*And it is Ann with no e in most documents that reference her at the time, the e appears to have been an error in the trial record.
I saw someone say they weren't sure why they made Black Sails Anne Bonny a "lesbian" because we know she was straight in real life — and no hate to this person, it was an honest question and I can always respect a question asked in good faith, but I'm going to respectfully disagree with this person on two counts.
Firstly, I personally didn't interpret Anne Bonny as a lesbian, but rather as bisexual. Of course, I get that people will think they're straight and date men only to realize they're gay later on, but to me personally it felt like her interest in Rackham was still genuine.
Secondly, I think it's not entirely fair to say we KNOW Bonny was straight. History is complicated and Bonny is a big grey area. It's been said she and Jack were lovers, but it's also been rumored that she had something with Mary Read. So while it's probably true that she and Jack were lovers, it's not really conclusive evidence that she was straight. She could have very easily been bi and it's questions like these that allow for the sort of artistic licence taken in Black Sails.
Also, while Black Sails feels very authentic, it still is a show and I think they'd be the first to admit that liberties are taken for the sake of telling a good story.
#Ann Bonny#Mary Read#Jack Rackham#Black Sails#Pirates#History#Queer#Queer History#Queer Phobia#A General History Of The Pyrates
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I can’t believe this needs explaining but a same-gender relationship by definition cannot be “heteronormative” lmao. The way two WOMEN date or have sex with each other or get married will never be heteronormative because they are not in a heterosexual relationship. And yes, this includes butch/femme relationships.
Like do you really think homophobes are looking at a twink and a bear holding hands and thinking “well the idea of them being inside each other turns my stomach but one is slightly more masculine than the other so I suppose it’s okay. Oh and they’re wearing T-shirts that say ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ which basically means ‘man’ and ‘woman,’ even better.” What world are you living in
#It’s like some of you saw that stupid Korrasami handmaiden/feudal lord post when you were 13#And decided to base all your queer politics on that for the next decade#‘Sex with a strap is problematic because it’s heteron—‘ shut up shut the fuck up#It especially bothers me when aimed at WLW relationships because#It often comes across as TERFy#And it always comes across as anti-butch#Like anything other than femme/femme is oppressive or has a power dynamic or some shit#It’s bad enough when applied to characters but it’s disgusting when applied to real life people#No gays in masc/fem relationships are not bootlicking the straights or whatever the fuck what is wrong with you#Like when you post about that fictional masc/fem relationship being heteronormative#You do know that real people see that shit right. People in those types of relationships can see what you think of them#It’s actually so fucking gross just stop#Stop attacking other queer people for not being queer the ‘correct’ way#heteronormativity#queerphobia#butchphobia#lesbophobia#transphobia#homophobia#lgbtq#queer#gay#bisexual#lesbian#enby#butch#femme#androgyny#korrasami#queer discourse
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sidenote it is so funny to me that ppl are doing komaeda sexuality discourse in the year of 2024. folks…. he’s not real
#marzi speaks#ALSO PPL GETTING MAD AT THE KODAKA TWEET IS SO FUNNYYYYY#LIKE. COME ON MAN. YOU CAN LAUGH AT THAT#i’m saying this as someone whose personal hc is different from the fanon of gay man#we can laugh when kodaka calls him gay. we’re allowed to laugh at it it’s funny#oh and before anyone asks. i see him as unlabelled with a strong preference towards men#i view him this way for 2(.5) reasons-#1- fits nicer with my transfem headcanon#2- kmhnnm/kmnm. i can multiship#2.5- i’m genderfluid and i’m fully convinced i could get him to fall in love with me#ANYWAYS. none of this is a big deal it is so unserious bc guess what folks#he’s fiction. he’s not a real person. he is a fake character on a screen#stop getting mad at ppl for interpreting his queer coding differently from you. it is not that deep#the game came out 12 years ago guys… surely we’ve had enough time to not be doing this
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why did my ex just like. formally ask me on a date like those men in period dramas courting the youngest daughter of the local duke
#girl i’m busy. i’ve got fictional gay sex to be writing. i don’t have time for the real thing#did you not learn your lesson the first time around. you had your merry way with me already#that should be warning enough.
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