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I think there would be world peace if people could stop shipping aroace characters
#yes aroace people can be in a relationship#but that doesn't mean they should#please stop using this as an excuse to ship characters who are very much not interested in romance#yelena belova#alastor#marvel#lilith clawthorne#the owl house#aroace#asexual#aromantic#lgbtq
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look i understand if people just don't like the idea of billford, i think we have a different internal concept of what shipping means (they're not good for each other at all but i need to dissect their dynamic like a bug. you understand. it's fun) but it's fine to avoid things you don't like, good for you genuinely
however people saying they like. don't see it. like. i'm not saying there's no platonic way to read it, i'm aroace spec myself i'm all for reading things in different ways. but i do think saying they weren't partners in any queer sense at all is trying too hard to go against what the narrative is trying to say, or missing it. somehow
anyway media literacy time if a character makes a joke like this
and the previous context of that joke within the show is that it's about an ex wife. what connection do you think the text is trying to get you to make.
and that's just from a writing point of view. not even noting that from an in universe perspective ford likely knows the joke from the same source as stan. and is therefore. placing himself in that role of the joke are you seeing where i'm coming from
(not to mention bill's side of this text which is. extremely manipulative but also does not read very platonic. again, it can technically be read as platonic! bill literally can manipulate ford's feelings. but the specific wording used is very much meant to look like possessive ex partner wording whether the character means it that way or not. it's coding. look again i'm not saying it was good for them i'm just saying there was something there.)
and then there's also the divorce/break up/rock bottom input on the website. like. how else is that supposed to be read. and the corresponding page in the book itself.
the language being used here. like yes he's saying it in a joking way but then there's the other side that isn't joking which is him crying at the bar. it's the both sides (the very coded language on top of the very genuine emotions and dynamic beneath)
i know most of us are on the same page with this i've just seen a couple people saying they don't see it when this is some of the most clear cut coding i've ever seen. and these are just the things that explicitly reference a relationship off the top of my head i'm not even including the general vibes of Everything
tl;dr it's barely even subtext anymore it's all but straight up text. what's not clicking have we forgotten what coding is (lighthearted i just enjoy the phrase what's not clicking. what's not clicking)
#also i fully think they can be aroace spec about it if that's the issue. i have nonspecific aroace spec headcanons for ford i understand#i do personally think there was some form of attraction there even if not in the most typical way. but the specifics are there to play with#i don't think they ever necessarily labelled it as a relationship either#but yeah. like. yes it can technically be read platonically. sure. i would say most things can be#there are no rules to it have fun#but from a writing perspective. why would it include some of these things if it didn't want you to see them as exes in some sense#i'm sorry but this is just. text i don't know why i'm trying to convince the like three people who don't already see this i should sleep#billford#too scared to main tag other than that#gravity falls#changed my mind i have like 3 followers i'll be fine#the people who would explode me the most probably already have the billford tag blocked or something#the book of bill#thisisnotawebsitedotcom#this is not a website dot com#does the tag have spaces or not. i'm not checking. it's 11:30 pm here
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To those who counter any general discomfort people have with aro and/or ace characters being shipped romantically or sexually with “but aro and aces can still date/have sex/be in relationships”- that’s is true but, do you actually care about the complexities and nuance of navigating romance and/or sex as someone who falls on the aroace spectrum or are you just looking for an easy way to not get hate for blatantly ignoring a character’s identity in favor of your shipping?
#I get the sneaking suspicion that some of you really don’t actually care that much about aro and ace people#yes they can date but uh notice how some of y’all have never really considered the option that many also don’t#especially when they character is canonically romance/sex repulsed#if you want to show someone who is aroace and does want to be in a relationship or have sex that’s great!#but please don’t use it as an excuse to erase the small bit of representation we get#aroace#aromantic#arospec#asexual#acespec#aro#ace#shipping discourse
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Aroace individual: [writes a fanfic with a ship that includes a canonically aroace character, using their own experience to explore different avenues of how aroace relationships function]
Some allosexual, bursting through the wall and knocking over the potted plants: Oh so you’re aphobic? You’re ignoring that this character is ace by having them *** nasty style? You’re making them *** with their *** *** and *** in a *** for *** *** to ***?? Bending over with *** in their *** until *** *** *** and *** *** *** ***?!?
Aroace individual: they’re queerplatonic here actually
Some allosexual, now tracking potted plant soil all over the living room: BUT IT SAYS SHIP RIGHT THERE, HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY BE A SHIP IF THEY AREN’T CONSTANTLY BANGING
Aroace individual: why are you in my house
#just because y’all can’t think of anything for characters to do in ships besides bang doesn’t mean no one else can#this is why I find allosexual-written romance so boring#yes aroace people can absolutely have sex if they want#the point is people assuming relationship = sex#and people assuming aroace always means sex and romance repulsed#asexual pride#aromantic pride#aroace pride#asexual positivity#writing problems
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Like I don’t want to sound like a Little Hater™️ ESPECIALLY about something that is definitely useful and beneficial to people especially other queer people. But if I pick up a book and they have a scene where two characters basically start dictionary definitioning identity labels at each other in casual conversation I am returning the book immediately. My biggest pet peeve that is not actually a problem it just gets on my nerves
#like ITS A GOOD THING TO HAVE IN BOOKS!!!!! I ALSO HATE READING IT WITH ALL MY HEART!!!!!#even with like. like loveless by Alice oseman 😭😭#yes I am aroace yes I love spreading the agenda yes i could not finish that book#but also I just find all her stuff boring regardless#ANYWAYS. what I’m saying is show don’t tell. sometimes it is useful to the story like I guess with loveless#but also it is so much more interesting to have it shown through a characters behavior and relationships and stuff#and also more fun to have it told and then literally never elaborated on#WHAT IM SAYING IS I LIKE THE BOOK WHERE ITS MENTIONED BUT I DONT HAVE TO SIT THROUGH 30 PAGES OF WIKIPEDIASPEAK ABOUT IT#also this only goes for fiction. I’ll eat autobio UP#I need to sleep but ultimately it’s like.#yes it can be useful to educate people but usually as a story aspect it is unnecessary and sucks to read
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the statements “platonic relationships should not be undervalued” and “it’s ok to ship wlw ships and mlm ships even if the characters involved have no canonical romantic interest in each other” are not mutual exclusive.
#talk away ⌞🍵🍋 ⌝#I’m aroace let me tell you#I absolutely agree and wish people would put more emphasis on platonic relationships#and I wish people would stop downplaying them#platonic relationships can be just as if not more important than romantic ones#at the same time tho#I think it shouldn’t be frowned upon for people to ship two female or male characters together even if they are canonically just friends#yes the statements “there’s no heterosexual explanation for this” when two characters who have a platonic relationship#are being intimate is very annoying when you look at it through the view of#amatonormativity#trust me again I know how annoying those types of statements are#and while a lot of people rightfully criticize it for that#I’ve noticed a lot of times people more seem to criticize that type of thinking#not because it an amatonormative way to view those relationships#but because (whether consciously or not) they’re putting down certain shippers for shipping wlw or mlm ships#that they see as just being friends therefore everyone should see them as friends#and if you don’t your wrong and are shoving them into a relationship that isn’t canon#I think I kinda lost my roll saying that but that’s the best way I can put…nicely at least lol#mlm ships#wlw ships#fandom discussion#kinda?#shipping#queer ships#queer#lgbtqia#I got inspired to make this post via discussion about farcille (dungeon meshi) that I’ve seen more specifically on YouTube#romantic relationships#platonic relationships
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Controversial opinion but I find it weird as fuck that the character that seems to be shipped the most in the hazbin Hotel fandom is aroace..
#why is no one saying anything#yes I understand aroace people can be in relationships#but can we not..?#hazbin hotel#Alastor#hazbin hotel alastor#viziepop
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"do you ship them as friends or do you ship them romantically" i ship them as It's Fucking Complicated
#being aroace and lowkey into relationship anarchy and also being a shipper is fun#because i'll be like 'oh i ship these two' and other people will hear 'i want them to kiss/date/have sex'#but i'll mean 'i want them to rent an apartment together cuz neither of them can afford rent on their own#'and try to awkwardly navigate their messy history from canon now that they're in a similar-yet-very-different situation#'and i want to explore their canon parallels and how they're forced to navigate their canon environment differently because of their gender#(yes this is about wakaba and saionji. at least the tags. the Complicated shipping extends well beyond rgu for me lol)#rgu#cuz i think you guys will get a kick out of it#shipping#aro shipping#fandom
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"allo people ship aroace characters in QPRs as an excuse for aroace erasure by still shipping them with other characters" is the most mind numbing take ive ever heard in my life. I cant believe I have to say that respecting aroace identities isnt aphobic 💀
#actually the most mind boggling thing ive ever heard if anything PLEASE make more qpr content in fandom :DD#I LOVE QPR RELATIONSHIPS !!! <33#i have been in a qpr without any attraction before and its awesome i would love to see different types of qprs explored more by people#especially when handling characters anywhere on the aroace spectrum and exploring how that effects the relationship#qprs r so interesting theres so many ways it can be explored and depicted#aroace#aroace discourse#aromantic asexual#aromantic#asexual#btw yes i am arospec and i used to be ace if anyone was about to go crazy ASHKJAS
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i think interpreting dynamics that dont have any canon basis to be familial as familial is totally fine but a) you cannot act like this is canon fact and, in tandem with that, b) you cannot attack people for interpreting it differently. believe me i am all for killing people who sexualize ACTUAL familial/familial-coded dynamics with knives but you have got to understand that just bcuz these two characters are friends does not mean they are siblings and it does not mean you get to get mad at others when they inevitably ship them
#also can i just say i fucking HATEEEEE when people do this with characters who canonically have romance involved in their dynamic#like i understand when there's romance in a dynamic and you would like there to not be. totally get that. but holy fuck thats#not the way to do it. like saying ''amy and sonic are so siblings!!!!'' is not the win you think it is (yes i have actually seen ppl say#that) i dont ship those two and i totally understand wanting to recontextualize their relationship but JUST GET RID OF THE ROMANCE ELEMENT!#YOU DONT HAVE TO ADD IN A FAMILIAL ELEMENT!!!!!!!!#THATS JUST WEIRD!!!! BROTHER IN CANON SHES DROOLING OVER HIM IN WHAT WORLD ARE THEY SIBLING CODED????#anyways. this shit has always kind of annoyed me but it annoys me even more now that i identify as aroace#also not to sound like i think im oppressed for liking f/m ships but i have noticed that in SOME specific spheres#this random sibling label gets slapped on a boy and a girl pairing more frequently. like again THIS ISNT THE WIN YOU THINK IT IS#saying a girl and a boy's dynamic can only be platonic if they're literally related is NOT THE WIN YOU THINK IT IS#JUST LET PEOPLE BE FRIENDS. FOR FUCKS SAKE.#serena.txt
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“this is the least stressful weekend i’ve had in two years. and it’s not hard to find what’s different. the absence of family. the addition of him”
“the addition of him” she says
god i love her. and i really really look forward to seeing what else happens with this
#aromantic#asexual#aroace#yes aro people can still be in love with people#and can still have relationships#even though we aren’t really#we’ve not talked about it#but i love her nonetheless#<3
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as someone on the aroace spectrum i dont give a damn if you write smut about aroace characters
#theyre characters not real people#yes this is about#alastor#hes my absolute fave but let people have their fun#also aroace people can and do still have relationships
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#it's very strange #because i often feel like the culmination of those characters arcs #like if the point is they're ace great but like... #the option of lesbianism just *never* occurs #which--and again not to discredit any ace people or ace readings of her work--is such a common lesbian experience! #like myself and a bunch of other lesbians i know had that journey #of going 'hmm i don't like men... guess I'm asexual! (do not ask me about women i will combust)' #like lady bird... whatever #little women... alright i suppose if you wanted to make a comentary on how lma was forced to add the heterosexual romance at the end #and not suggest anything about a real person and also not deviate from the source material #but barbie was insane #the coding was next level #like c'mon birkenstocks??? #and i argue that barbies acceptance of genitalia could be read as an acceptance of sexuality or the very least exploring it #so why isn't she a dyke??? (other than mattel probably giving a hard no on that)
I don’t know, the thing that really bothers me about Greta Gerwig’s films is that there is just this gaping hole where gay women should be. Like, when you’re making these movies about the trap of heterosexual marriage, breaking free of that, and the only concrete answer is to be a single woman over and over and over again, it feels like an intentional absence. You can watch the movie with a queer lens, but it is egregious that you may only consider homosexuality in her movies in this way. It ought to be in them. There is no reason for it not to be there. Women don’t fuck women in Greta Gerwig’s feminist liberations. Often, they don’t have sex at all.
#hi I'm taking kaeden's tags with the lesbian perspective bc I'm gonna add the ace perspective#bc I have Thoughts about this#(preface I have only seen little women and barbie so I'm not gonna talk about lady bird)#1. as an ace person it is very rare that a story is explicitly about a woman being like 'actually it's fine if I don't have a relationship'#2. it is still very weird to not include queerness at all in that story#it's like. do I love to hc jo and barbie as ace? yeah absolutely#do I think that's what greta gerwig intended? honestly no#does it matter? maybe. because she's not putting in queerness in any other way#like sure there's a trans barbie but it's not like they say she's trans or have any comment to make about transness#(not that I am any authority to comment on transness)#and as trans women have pointed out better than me it's very weird to end your film about barbie with#'she's a real girl now that she has a vagina!'#it is interesting because I can understand more having a lesbian reading of jo but I didn't pick up anything lesbian about barbie#and had a total aroace reading of her#but the truth is the film wasn't trying to give her either#and we're all just projecting our own stuff onto it#yes margot robbie has said stuff that supports the ace reading but idk that she knows that's what she's doing beyond 'well she's a doll'#like as much as I enjoy it or make jokes.#and like yeah some (many) of the kens had gay vibes but they didn't actually let any of them be gay#beyond the like winky nod to magic earring ken#idk. I take a lot of issues with the barbie movie from a story perspective#but related to this post I was really hoping it would show Some sort of queerness apart from just accidental stuff we're reading into#or like the existence of kate mckinnon#it feels like greta gerwig knows queer people exist in theory but she doesn't have any interest in including us in stories#except subtly or accidentally#this is getting really long but like. part of being ace for me was being like#well if I'm not straight then I'm gay and if I'm not gay then what am I#which ironically is kinda the reverse of what kaeden said#it's that lesbian ace solidarity baybee#but it's not like greta gerwig's characters are ever even presented the Option to be attracted to women
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#im an idiot#help plz#WHAT DO I DO#Yes my nickname is Crowy#Yes aroace people can get in relationships#we exist
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Hi hello hi. As an AroAce individual in a QPR who has no desire for a romantic or sexual relationship, I think shipping Alastor in QPRs is so so fun and people should do it more. I also think it works for a good amount if not all of the ships I've seen him in.
Alastor and Rosie: Hell yeah. They're already great friends and every interaction we've seen between them has been pure and adorable. Rosie Gently guiding Alastor through his identity because he isn't exactly up with the slang. Them going out for tea and human flesh Sunday afternoons. Them giving each other forehead kisses and holding hands platonically.
Alastor and Angle dust: Mhmm. Angle not really wanting Sex or romance after all he's been through. Angle respecting Alastor's identity and not pushing for anything more than friendship. Alastor not really liking Angle at first because of their differences, But tolerating him regardles. Alastor explaining to Angle that Romantic relationships don't have to involve Sex (I'm an Asexual Angle truther.) Angle offering Alastor a hug that Alastor reluctantly accepts. Them cuddling at night with a pinky Promise of nothing more.
Alastor and Vox: Go ahead. A fic about Alastor trying to Navigate exactly how he feels about Vox, Because when he died the term AroAce didn't exist, so he thinks it's romantic attraction, Maybe they kiss and Alastor is like "Ha! No!" Maybe that's why they had their falling out? Who knows.
Alastor and Lucifer: So So SO much Yes. (This is my personal favorite) The two of them hating each other, but putting up for each other for Charlie's sake. Slowly growing to actually tolerate and maybe even like being around the other. Exchanging snarky remarks in a more playful way. Alastor finding Lucifer sitting in a pile of ducks and despair and offering his hand to help him up and take him to the hotel. Never letting go of his hand. Fuck Enemies to Friends to Lovers I want an Enemies to Friends to Qpr arc goddamnit.
I do think it's okay to ship Alastor even outside of QPR's, BUT. If you do, don't just ignore Alastor's identity. AroAce people get far less representation than the rest of the LGBTQ+ community. I can think of one other canon Character off the top of my head. So it's not okay to erase the little rep we do get. In the end I think it's important to listen to what AroAce people have to say on the matter, it is our representation after all.
#aromantic#asexual#alastor#hazbin hotel#representation#radiostatic#radioapple#radiorose#radiodust#qpr#If you know any other Canon AroAce characters let me know.#I get it. Alastor is Hot and Charming. He doesn't eant you though.#Or anyone for that matter#Whaaaat this isnt begging for Fanfics what are you talking about??#If you do write any of these please let me know im in desperate need of QPR Alastor Ships#On a more serious not please stop ignoring AroAce people when it comes to AroAce representation#Don't ignore us at all actually
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I won't lie, as an aroace person myself I am so fucking sick of people drawing CANONICALLY AROACE CHARACTERS in sexual/romantic relationships and saying "well aroace people can still have sex and be in relationships."
Like YES that IS POSSIBLE!! But also we can be fucking sex repulsed and have NO romantic desires and we have a right to be upset when all of the characters that we are supposed to be able to relate to have these labels ignored!!!
ONE AROACE CHARACTER THAT ISNT ROMANTICISED OR SEXUALISED IS ALL I WANT!!!! O N E !!!!
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