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just another night in gotham
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#''jason try not to blow up anything for at least 24 hrs challenge''#gothamites should be considered prominent characters in the dc verse look at the shit they gotta put up with#u never know if ur gonna wake up at 2 am to find the city chemically gassed and highly toxic#or if you're gonna hear a bat crashing through your (newly repaired) windows just cuz ur room was a shortcut to catch some goon#the bats prob give BALLER food place recs tho so ig it balances out#every gothamite ever: this city sucks#literally anyone else: yeah its the worst#every single gothamite collectively uniting as one single front: the FUCK did you say?? NO one insults this city except US#jason todd#red hood#dick grayson#nightwing#damian wayne#robin#tim drake#red robin#duke thomas#signal#bruce wayne#batman#stephanie brown#spoiler#batfam#social media au#batfamily#batkids#incorrect quotes#dc comics#texts#fanatical posting
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"Are the Robins child soldiers" It depends. If the story is super serious and into exploring complex morality and grounded from reality's standards, then yes. If the story is lighthearted, made for children, fluff, etc., then no. If it's somewhere in the middle, it might depend.
If an author wants to write a story seriously delving into the fucked up-ness of children fighting criminals, they can, and if you don't like it, you can read something else.
If an author wants to write a fun story about villains and heroes featuring Robin in a world where that's not an issue, they can, and if you don't like it, you can read something else.
If an author wants to write a serious story but not apply IRL-logic to Robin, they can, and if you don't like it, you can read something else.
#my dc posting#dc#batman#robin#bruce wayne#jason todd#dick grayson#tim drake#damian wayne#idk if i articulate it perfectly here but like... yall#yall.#when im watching lego: batman im not thinking of how horrific and irresponsible it is to take dick on the mission#like it is a movie for children i am there to have fun. in that moment i don't careee#but if i'm reading a fic that's dwelving deep into like jason todd's psyche and taking itself seriously w real-life accurate#psychology stuff then yeah i'm fine with also exploring how directly interfering with violent crime at such a young age might#actually affect a person's development#but like sometimes it's not that deep and robin's out there solving murders and kicking two-face's ass n havin fun doin it#just. there is nuance depending on the story being told#sometimes i'm in the mood for serious exploration of bruce's failings as a parent. sometimes i wanna read him bonding with his kids and#everything is fine.#you can have both!!!
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Do you think that the people of Gotham are ever just trying to enjoy their day and then see one of the Waynes walk into the cafe they’re at or go to the movies at the same time as them, and think, “Great, my chances of being a part of a hostage situation has just been raised by 20-40%”
#one time an intern at WE had her lunch break ruined because Tim liked the same coffee shop as her and kept getting kidnapped#by the third time as goon points a gun at you you honestly consider if it’d be better if you just got shot#The percentage depends on the Wayne#Bruce dick or Tim? yeah those suckers are getting ransomed#Damian or Cass? could happen. unlikely. they fight back.#Jason Steph or Duke? less likely. Jason’s dead. Steph isn’t a Wayne. Duke has a day job#batfam#batkids#Batman#Bruce Wayne#dick Grayson#Tim drake#Jason Todd#damian wayne#stephanie brown#duke thomas#cassandra cain
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Bruce has a habit of randomly worrying about his kids and silently lurking in their room until he's done being insane. This usually happens mid prolonged argument or after an incident on patrol that he thinks could've gone much worse.
It would be sweet, if he hadn't raised his kids to be just as paranoid as he is, making them shoot awake every time to see to their Batdad sleep paralysis demon.
#Dick started leaving cushions in his bed to get some peace of mind#Jason goes through several safehouses per week to avoid it#Tim sleeps through most of them but has the weirdest dreams#Damian throws something at Bruce (whatever is nearest)#Cass freaks Bruce out by doing the same but Bruce is charmed by the gesture#Stephanie always freaks out and preemptively starts sending him selfies with her flipping him off with a caption of “I'm fine”#Duke doesn't understand how he doesn't see it coming each time it happens and always lights up the room like a flash grenade#I swear to God I've missed someone...#Oh yeah Alfred just asks Bruce if he needs anything? And then passes back out#batman#dc comics#bruce wayne#batfamily#personal
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Disgustingly messy and crusty sketch dump but I couldn't get my own terrible theory out of my head and ended up making a bunch of sketches about it. Also at the end a bonus dickbats and Damian doodle bc I was reading an issue of their Batman and Robin run (IDs in Alt)
#dc comics#dc#batfamily#batman#damian wayne#stephanie brown#tim drake#dick grayson#cassandra cain#duke thomas#anyway. zdarsky run sure is something huh?#its still so funny to me that half of 148 was leaked a few days before like someone has it OUT for that book over at bleeding cool ig#i don't necessarily think this theory will come true I'm just imagining how stupid it would be if it did#I'm not super happy with the dialogue in the cass+duke+dick comic but i felt my og dialogue might've read too fanon#mainly just bc cass' last sentence was originally shorter/just ellipses and duke said smthin like ''wait? villain arc?''#which you could easily find in wayne family adventures. even tho it would've been appropriate for this situation 😭#now the dialogue just sounds kind of generic (esp cass') and it's BOTHERING ME AUGHH. this is the comic book fandom panopticon /j#anyway Bruce is in the retirement home in this scenario /j#me n my friends were talking over discord and came up w the cursed scenario that jason is tims robin in this (apart of the 'redemption' arc#-that he's been nail gunned with in this run. god this run is so weird when it comes to jason. like it doesn't outright dislike him-#-like it clearly does damian and (more obviously) cass steph and duke) but the tone of everything w jason is still bizarre#god. anyway yeah i didn't draw him but please picture grown man tank Jason in the robin undies (ala tt 03 but dare i say better)#also the dick being silly sketch was bc the issue i was reading had damian refer to dick as 'jolly'#specifically like ''unreasonably jolly'' or something like that (god i love when ppl find dicks cheerfulness deeply unsettling hehehe)#and i thought it was so funny. bc damian met dick when we has going through his ''bruce is dead'' depression-#-and STILL thought that dick was extremely unserious. he sees happy dick and is like ''what is wrong w you. genuinely''#but at the same time he loves it#i need to stop reading their batman and robin run so scatteredly (or i can just reread nightwing must die...always a possibility)#anyway yeah 👍 bad sketches be upon you#mine
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Everyone gets terrified when they see Dick put on the Cape and go into downright brooding shadow death aura mode, capturing Bruce’s scowl and glare to an uncanny extent.
They don’t know that the real reason Nightwing had to get real good real fast at transforming into batman is because in his early batman days he accidentally smiled while trying to talk down this guy from blowing up a building.
They made eye contact for a split second, before the guy burst into tears. He then proceeded to rip off the bomb, throw up, faint, wake up, throw up again before immediately running for the window of the 45th floor of a building.
#it doesn’t help that this all happened in the span of fifteen seconds#dick was frozen in shock the whole time#yeah his reflexes were sharp and all#but none of them prepared him for THIS situation#he was stuck between trying to revert back to nightwing mode and call out to him#however saying “hey buddy!” while in the batman suit#after the visceral reaction the man gave just being SMILED at#he was confusion#man checked himself into Arkham later#the therapist told dick to stop smiling and be friendly#he was scaring them so much more#and they were going insane at higher rates#Harley dropped in on him later and asked if he was okay#the others can never know#batman#jason todd#nightwing#dick grayson#tim drake#red hood#batfam#damian wayne#bruce wayne#headcanons#dick Grayson as batman#robin#harley quinn
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Gotham Protects Her Own
“Gotham protects her own.” Bruce had whispered to him once, in a, at the time, not so rare moment of affection, cradling dick to his chest as they looked over his city. Their city. Batman and Robin. Dick had believed him, of course, but he hadn’t really felt it. Not until he had stood at the bats side for the second year in a row, and his cape had fluttered. Dicks cape had never fluttered while he was standing. Running across the rooftops? Sure. Jumping over a chimney? Most definitely. But just standing still, no movement? It had never happened. Bruce’s did, from the very beginning Bruce’s cape had flown behind him, flapping with grace in the wind that was not there. But dicks hadn’t. But now… Bruce smiled down at him, pride lining every line in his face, before he took off across the roof, a challenge and a test at the same time. Dick chased after him, and for the first time since he had become Robin, he flew. His feet barely touched down, cushioned by the roofs, by shadows, and he laughed, wild and bright and free, and Bruce joined him, laugh deep and rich and full. Dick belonged to Gotham now, the city had laid her claim on him, and as Batman and Robin flew across the city, Dick could hear a new laugh join them, light and happy and feminine, delighted by their delight, their acceptance. Gotham protects her own, and Dick Grayson-Wayne, the first Robin, had earned that right, that protection, with his leaps and jokes and belief in Batman, in a belief in the city, in the belief that it could be better.
Gotham protects her own. Catherine Todd had murmured to him once, late one night, a bruise blossoming on her cheek, eyes heavy from drugs. She was close to death, Jason could feel it practically wafting off her, and he didn't think much of her last words, a hazy drugged hallucination, slurred speech. But then she had passed and Jason had left, choosing the street over his father and then he had understood. People came looking for him, naturally, even his father ventured out, but shadows seemed to envelop him, the streets opened to his footfalls, and he always found a safe place to sleep, never waking with his things stolen or suddenly kidnapped. Jason could feel the city, his very lifeblood, could hear her music in her traffic, felt her song in the earthquakes. Gotham cradled him, sheltered him, and when the time came, pushed him to a left unattended Batmobile, tempting him to steal the tires. For the first time, Jason doubted his city, hated her for sending him into a trap. But then he became Robin, and Gotham squealed in delight, and Jason watched in awe as Bruce flew, as Gotham made his cloak billow, as she nurtured her prodigal son. Batman had gotten injured, once, badly enough that he had struggled with his grapple line, and it had snapped. Jason had screamed, lunging for him, but it was too late. Before he could cry over the dead body of his mentor, he found Bruce at the bottom of the building, not much worse for wear at all. Gotham had cradled him, shadows leaping to cushion his fall. Jason had laughed with glee, rushing Bruce home as quickly as possible, and something had brushed his cheek, a faint kiss against his forehead. Gotham protects her own and Jason Todd-Wayne, the second Robin, had been born into that right, that protection, and felt her city pound through his body like blood, feeding his soul.
Gotham protects her own. Tim had seen the slogan on a Wayne Enterprise billboard once, when he had been seven, an ad campaign promoting insurance and helpful housing. It had become a sort of mantra for him, something he whispered under his breath every time his father made a snide comment about Tim lacking proper talent or social skills, after every call his parents declined, after every fight that had him biting his lip to stop the tears and debate running away. Gotham protects her own. Became his lifeline, his mantra, a promise of a better life. It wasn't anything he ever believed, until he finally worked up the courage to approach Bruce Wayne about the secret. Tim slipped on the Robin uniform for the first time… And something inside him settled. A woman's voice in the back of Tim’s head squealed. But as he raced over the rooftops, finally at Batman's side as he always dreamed to be instead of a few feet behind, snapping pictures, his cape dancing with the wind, his feet hardly touching down, that mantra, that false belief of hope, of a better life, became truth. Gotham protects her own, and Tim Drake-Wayne, the third Robin, had believed in that truth his whole life, wishing with every fiber of his being that she would protect him, and she finally had.
Gotham protects her own. David Cain had warned her once, telling her great stories of the city with air of midnight black, of water a putrid green, and of a people a hardy and tough. It hadn't been a compliment, just another obstacle she would need to overcome to fulfill her future missions. She had believed him, of course, but… she had never truly known what it meant. Not until she had stumbled into the city, hurt, bleeding, afraid, and she had felt that… otherworldly power. Reaching for her. Its tendrils soft and kind, like a mother, shadows stretching across her, shielding her, as the League prowled the streets. It wasn't until she saw him. The Bat. And his little Bird, brutal efficiency and yet mercy in every action, wasn't until she saw how Gotham cradled them, lifted them, helped them to fly. Gotham had been more accepting to her than she had thought. Maybe because she hadn't hurt her children. Maybe because she knew her pain. Maybe because Cass had been so afraid. But whatever the reason, when Cassandra Cain-Wayne took to the streets, a proud, blazing Bat on her chest, her cape billowing behind her, Gotham sang.
“Gotham protects her own!” Arthur Brown had screamed once. It had been in a fit of rage, followed by the sounds of windows crashing and tables smashing against the wall. He had been angry, livid even, the sound of his footsteps heavy and hard on the floor as he stormed around, pissed that Batman was unreachable for him, untouchable, protected by the city he claimed to do the same to. Steph knew the truth in the words, had been protected by them her whole life, finding a window open right when her father got home, the closet door unlocked miraculously after her father had locked her up, alleyways opening for her to escape through when bigger kids picked on her, or the cops chased her. And it happened now, as Arthur Brown came storming for her, rage and malice and every evil intention written across his features. Steph could feel that tug, that indescribable feeling of home, and she took a step back, melting into the shadows as she fled, fled her home, fled her father, fled his wrath and everything wrong with the world. She settled on the roof, the way she always did when he got like this, and waited, as she always did. For it to end. For him to stop. It was that night that she saw him for the first time. Steph had heard of him, of course, the Batman was infamous throughout Gotham by now, but she had never seen him in person. Never watched his work. It was at Bethany’s house. Bethany’s father, Vincent, was screaming again. The way Arthur was. But Gotham, Gotham didn't protect Bethany the way she did Steph. Or maybe Bethany just didn't listen. But Batman.. Batman listened. Batman protected. Steph watched, wide eyed, as he jumped through the window, as he grabbed Vincent by the throat and slammed him against the wall, snarling in his face. Steph watched, hands clutching her teddy, wondering whether she would rather risk her father than this demon. But he stopped. Paused. Threw Vincent to the ground in disgust, unconscious, and turned to Bethany. Beth had stopped moving, the way she always did when Vincent got the way he did, dissociating so she wouldn't feel his hands on her. Steph didn't think it worked, but it was something. Batman bent down, gentle, slowly, a few feet away, extending a hand to Beth. Steph couldn't hear what he said, couldn't see his face, but Beth blinked at him. She blinked, and she walked closer, slowly. And Batman… Batman held her, held her until she was crying, held her through her tears and wiped her eyes and rubbed her back, held her until she was asleep without nightmares, and carried her to bed, tucking her in gently. Steph didn't know how long she sat there, watching as he cared for this little girl, forgoing the Bat Symbol in the sky, and his anger, for her. Gotham protects her own, Steph swore as she watched him drop from the window the same night, flitting away on shadows only she could see. Gotham protects her own, and she would protect Gotham. She would mold herself after the Bat, and help.
#batman#batfam#bruce wayne#stephanie brown#dick grayson#jason todd#tim drake#cassandra cain#can you tell which ones my fav?#ill give you a hint its steph#anyway#this was just a lil something thats been in my drafts for like two years now#and i finally gave in and wrote like two more people#and this is that#i might continue with duke and damian and babs#but thats for a later time#idk#maybe even bruce lol#but anyway i hope you enjoyed#i love thinking of gotham as this old magic#idk again#but yeah#gotham
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Prompt:
It’s turning out to be a bad day when Jason finds himself stabbed during a drug bust.
It’s turning out to be a very bad day when he starts to feel woozy (seriously, what the hell? It was just a little stabbing) and promptly collapses.
It’s turning out to be a monumentally bad day when the batfamily drop in on his drug bust.
And then the night takes a hard nose dive into catastrophically bad, because whatever toxin that blade was laced with? It’s making his heartbeat slow down into near flatline, paralyzing Jason in the process.
And now he’s stuck listening to his family lose it completely upon finding his “dead” body.
… shit.
#don’t you just love it when your family thinks you’re dead again#but hey at least Jason finds out that they absolutely DO care about him#Damian needs to be sedated because he was about to murder every single person in that warehouse#oh yeah did I mention it’s a warehouse again#lmao#Nightwing just—- zones out. crashes. dissociates.#Tim is trying for frantic cpr#(ouch ouch OUCH replacement)#Bruce can’t do this again#please he CAN’Y#he couldn’t have been too late again oh god#Jason would be crying if he wasn’t paralyzed#that raw grief is contagious#presumed dead#prompts#yeah I know it’s similar to a previous prompt#VUT I NEED MORE PRESUMED DEAD FICS OK#jason todd#batfamily#dick grayson#batfam#bruce wayne#robin#red hood#tim drake#batman
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headcannons
my hc’s for Bruce and his kids’ religions:
Bruce: raised Jewish and participates in Judaism practices but dosent know if he actually believes in it. (Probably does it because his parents did and he misses them)
Dick: his mother was Christian and his father just kinda went along with it. He used to go to church on Christmas and Easter but hasn’t been in years (since his mom died)
Jason: Catholic. His faith was kinda disrupted after he came back to life. I think after awhile he felt comfortable in his religion agin tho.
Cass: an atheist. She wasn’t raised to believe in a god. However I think she likes to participate in all of the traditions her family members practice.
Tim: was ‘raised’ catholic but later realized he was an atheist
Duke: He’s a Christian, not like a hardcore go to church Christian more of a, yeah I believe in god 🤷 not really a big deal
Damian: he’s Muslim and participates in its practices :3
Alfred: he’s an atheist.
#headcannons#batman#tim drake#bat family#dick grayson#jason todd#damian wayne#batfamily headcanons#headcanon#duke thomas#cassandra cain#bruce Wayne#alfred pennyworth#uhhh#yeah#idk what brought this on#It’s just my personal opinion#No one has to agree 🤷🤷🤷
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"why would you read this, it's all fannon!??!"
Well yeah, I want to read something where the author actually likes the characters they're writing??? Besides, at this point what is and isn't canon is already a grey area
#dc#dc robin#dc batman#batman#robin#this is specifically about any of the robins and their relationships to eachother#like yeah theres some fics that bash them#but if i want to read a story where theyre just brothers being brothers so what#also dc plays fast and loose with canon anyway#tim drake#damian wayne#jason todd#dick grayson#batfam#bruce wayne#cassandra cain#stephanie brown
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I find it so funny that Jason knows the kind of power he holds over Bruce calling him "dad". Like normally everyone else calls him "dad" from time to time, but Jason refuses to call him "dad", except for when it comes to distracting him or for blackmail reasons.
Like him helping Tim or Damian sneak in after having a date. And they just call him in the middle of the night to distract Bruce from them sneaking into the house past curfew.
Bruce: What are you doing here?
Jason: I might've, kinda, missed you.
Bruce, tired of this crap: I don't believe you.
Jason: I can't miss my dad. That's low, Bruce.
Bruce, with literal tears in his eyes: You called me "dad".
Jason, pretending that it accidentally slipped out: What? No, I didn't.
Bruce, hugging the hell out of Jason: Welcome home, son.
#batfam#bruce wayne#jason todd#incorrect quotes#it just goes downhill from there#no one lets jason live it down#tim or damian uses this as blackmail against jason and bruce#dick the next day: i come to visit once and he's in the corner crying#damian: todd called father “dad”#dick: oh yeah that would do it
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every DC/Batman fan has a tier list of Robins except they can't put anyone last so it really just comes out to top 3 and the rest are equalls because we love them all too much
#its not just me right#damian - steph - jason are my top 3 btw#if you even care#also im kindaaa counting duke as robin?#of course the little ginger girl. i cant remember her name but she is absolutely precious to me#dc robin#batman#comics#dcu#robin#damian wayne al ghul#jason todd#tim drake#duke thomas#stephanie brown#bruce wayne#dick grayson#OH YEAH#HER NAME WAS#carrie kelley
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Do you think they’ll ever kill Tim off?
We can only prey
#ask#anon#ill light a candle just to be safe#but honestly yeah#dying in comics is very common#like even out of just the bats#jason damian cass steph dick and bruce have all had “deaths”#at one point or another#lasting various amounts of time#so likely yeah tims gonna die#just depends if its gonna be like#jasons og death or a batman 148 death#its comics writers favourite thing
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One of Damian's teachers calls Bruce in to talk about the fact that they think Damian might be autistic and after hearing them out Bruce goes "I appreciate the thought miss, but I hardly think any of the things you listed are cause for concern. After all, I do all those things too!" And the teacher just looks at him like :/
#ramblings of a lunatic#dc comics#damian wayne#bruce wayne#bruce comes home and explains the situation to tim dick and cass and they're each like yeah that's normal. idk what's wrong w that teacher#barbara (somehow audibly making this fave over comms): :/#^babs is also autistic she's just a bit more self aware on this specific front
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Actually, Jason Todd who is alive to the public again and decides that he's going to have the worst, most unhinged persona (with a limit, just so they don't think too much of it)ever so Bruce thinks it twice before dragging him to anything
He's a total mess of a celebrity, Brucie without the Playboy part and instead, he gets on calling out other rich assholes with sass and passive-aggresive talk, like 'Oh, Mrs. Sanders- Ah, right, Miss White, is it now? Sorry, it's hard to keep up with the fift divorce, i imagine you'll put some of the half you got this time to our charity instead of on more wine?' while also acting as a sweet daddy's little boy who can do no wrong and it's just 'trying to make some friends'
He still has the strong moral compass and the sweetheart part of the act, but he can't put that many himbo moments here and there (everyone knew he had good grades and shit, thanks to Bruce 'did you know my son is the smartest ever?' Wayne) but he does nerd literature moments (that aren't even a lie) to throw people who like to show off but don't know shit
So, a lot of people hate him and he loves it
He only slightly changes the act when interacting with children for the fundation and programs you bet your ass he got Tim and Bruce to make, instead of the call outs, he goes for lighthearted irony and talk like 'Oh, You didn't know? I heard that Deliah, yes Deliah Olson, is now going on a grape-candy solo week? Can you believe it? I thought she couldn't like without chocolate!' and ish like that
And what are the adults going to do about it? Call out the son of the richest man in Gotham? The one who to him seems completely innocent? The one, who you know, he lost once and now seems very protective of? Jumping out a window is a faster way to die
Bruce loves him, but he's starting to only take him to the fundation events so he's on his best behavior
#jason todd#jason is good with children AND YOU CANT MAKE ME THINK OTHERWISE#batfamily#batman au#good dad bruce wayne#bruce wayne#bruce loves him but jay please stop picking fights#fights he's only doing for the sake of not having to he here#he adds a little bit of 'good big bro' when damian and tim are around#like carrying them around#yes both of them#tim would say he hates it#if it didnt save him from small talk#damian says he does but thats a lie#jason carries him over his shoulders and he feels tall and powerfull#jason pulls the 'theyre being mean to me' card at the slightless answer back to him#Bruce knows is an act so he just comforts his boy assuring that 'it wont happen again' mostly to scare off people#if theyre actually assholes hes taking them down later#If Dick's around Jason does it to him#because yeah dick also knows BUT instead of a calm reaction he goes defensive big brother mode and calls back whoever annoyed Jason 10xworse
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I need people to realize how horrible 'stalking/constant surveillance/breaking into each other's homes is how the Batfamily show love' is. Like i really need someone to just acknowledge how horrific saying this bullshit is.
Like even fics where they're shown as happy and healthy and with good ties, you've always got this thing where none of them have privacy or any boundaries with each other. Which is directly antithetical to actually having good relationships. And this invasion via hacking and stalking and breaking into homes is portrayed as a positive, good thing; it's just how they show love and care to each other, after all. But for some reason I just personally don't find stalking, lack of privacy or boundaries, and emotional manipulation funny, endearing, or healthy, and just end up disgusted at the attempt to sweep it all under the rug.
#my dc posting#dc#batman#batfamily#jason todd#barbara gordon#bruce wayne#dick grayson#tim drake#damian wayne#listen i can only take so much of it before i just breakdown okay#apparently controversial opinion but a family where its normal to vreak into each others homes and manipulate each other and stalk and#invade boundaries and autonomy and privacy can NOT be healthy#no matter how much you try to dress it up all cute w 'this is just how they are' 'its how they show their love' its never not gonna be#unhealthy and bad and toxic#like yeah they do do that. they are like that. either acknowledge it or stop trying to justify it#god this actually irks me so much#i try to idk. suspend my disblief but theres only so much i can actuallt fucking take before just#its just. im trying to read happy fluffy fics. but i cant be comforted by a family that normalizes breaking boundaries n invading privacy#and its specifically that the author aleays disregards it. instead of fixing it or making it better they opt to keep it and come up w excuse#s for it#and thats what actually triggers me#'i broke into ur house cus if i asked if i could come over ud say no' is actuallt fucking horrifying stop trying to make it seem loving???#im writing this while having a panic attack dont mind me 👍#but its like. if you can write the batfam w/o bruce hitting his kids or any other horrific thing that they do#then why must you keep the boundary&privacy breaking? why cant anyone even seemingly try to write a batfam#where theyve worked their issues abt this out best they can n have healthy established boundaries w each other??#like if u can write them all hanging out together 24/7 n bruce being s good dad why is this one simple thing the One Thing#nobody even tries to address properly???#'aw dick broke into jason's saehouse bc he wanted to hangout but jason would say no if he asked' aw. maybe dick should learn 'no means no'
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