#unicron singularity

[askvectorprime]

why did Jetfire lose the ability to combine with Optimus prime after armada

Dear Combiner Concerned,

This was another of the many mysterious changes which followed the defeat of Unicron, and his collapse into a black hole.

It is a shame, as Jetfire was always a skilled combiner. Having Powerlinxed with Optimus Prime long before the Spark of Combination was bestowed upon the other Autobots, Jetfire was able to pass on his mastery of this technique to more inexperienced ‘bots like Ironhide, before the art was all but forgotten.

Yet, I find myself wondering. During that final battle, the Autobots’ Combination Sparks merged into one, giving Optimus Prime the strength to hold the Unicron-possessed Galvatron in place, as the Energon surged towards them, incandescent with divine light. And for a moment, something brought Galvatron to his senses—the determination in his own spark flaring, driving him to throw Prime to safety. Had he only given in, it would have spelled the end for not just his oldest adversary—every last one of the Autobots would have been destroyed with them. Only Galvatron himself could have said what drove him in that moment.

Regardless, Primus’ plan proceeded, as it always would have. A sun was born. Alpha Q’s dream became reality. Optimus Prime’s ultimate self dispersed, returning the sparks to all of his valiant soldiers.

As that fateful chain reaction began, roiling and exploding, I ask you… how long did Galvatron live? As the last of Unicron’s strength burned away, for how many cycles did his chassis hold together, before it began to melt, to disintegrate?

Could it have been long enough for a Combination Spark to reach him? Some fragment of Primus’ own power, Primus’ dream of unity, drawn to whatever enigma in Galvatron’s spark caused him to spare his hated foe.

What would a sun do, with that power? With those instructions: to combine?

Was it the Unicron Singularity which begat the disappearance of the Spark of Combination—or could it have been the opposite?

[transingthoseformers]

Now that I realize it, we can connect the sudden uptake of chaos in the tfp au timeline to it being directly after them forcing Unicron back into dormancy, and the possible effects of dark energon on the multiversal level (and possibly the whole unicron singularity thing just absolutely ripping the shit out of the fabric of reality, causing super weird reality wrinkles and likely the other extradimensional figures in the mix trying to repair them)

[ijusthavesomanyblorbos]

the transformers iceberg

(explanations + commentary below the cut)

This iceberg is less an objective measure of the community and more just my personal descent into the fandom over the last year or so. Every iceberg I could find online is like bayverse exclusively, and I wanted to make one specific to my experience!! So, this one is mostly idw comics, with some fandom jokes/theories, and little tidbits of the movies/TV shows mixed in. I know a lot of the stuff in the top and middle probably seem super elementary to you guys, but I was really making this with the lense of someone who has absolutely no experience with the lore AT ALL (how I started out) So the top layer is like, basic normal person things to know. Then layer two (still above the water) is slightly niche knowledge that you probably wouldn’t have without SOME kind of immersion in the media. Then you have the first layer below the water, which is still basic esc canon. Then you have the niche cannon. Then you have the WEIRD canon. (I’m looking at you Moon fight). And THEN we’ve got the deep sea stuff! Which… speaks for itself. Anyways, I’m definitely gonna keep adding to this so if you have any ideas please send them in!! And let me know if you have a favorite cause I think some of these are pretty funny :) 

If you want clarification on one of these feel free to shoot me an ask and I’ll totally explain it!!

Also, as far as lore stuff, I’m basing a lot of these off of the TFwiki IDW timeline which you can find here. So, that’s my provided source.

[cybertron-smash-or-pass]

Bonus! Rescue Bots Academy Ratchet

[tachyon-omlette]

as an addon to this - when the creator god that opposed your own creator god suddenly "smiles" on you & turns you into the superweapon your creator always wanted you to be (& always hated you for not being) long after you had rejected that fate, further complicating your withered sense of self & making the nature of your existence both much simpler & yet much more complicated

or: FINALLY, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, PATHOS OF UNICRON HAS A GUN

[xivu-arath]

legitimately gnawing on my hands over the "which sci fi series has the best lore" poll because, yes, destiny lore did in fact rewire my brain and how I approached writing

but. holy shit. the reason no one knows transformers lore that I've seen is because it is batshit layers of incredible and stupid at the same time

[robotsprinkles]

being a complete idiot and deciding to both take the star saber's name literally and use the line from the covenant of primus about the requiem blaster drawing power from the hearts of stars to give them ridiculous numbers in my fic

(the star saber's blade being 15 million kelvin and its blade-cast wave attack things being something like 210,000K, and the requiem blaster's beams being 10 million kelvin, which are both utterly stupid)

in my defense, both were made by the primes to fight unicron. And since the earth's core is about 5400C and jupiter's is 19700C, unicron needs to be able to withstand at least that much temperature in order to eat them without being damaged (ignoring paracausality and magic), therefore the star saber and requiem blaster's attacks need to be hot enough to overcome that heat resistance

(as to how people can wield them without immediately melting themselves and everything around them into slag and also not cause atmospheric ignition I'm handwaving it as the weapons creating some kind of field around the blade/beam that prevents the heat from conducting/radiating into the surrounding atmosphere

and "no one knows how it works and it's one of the reasons people think the primes were real and also gods/demigods" and "atheistic theories of cybertronian history posit that the primes/guiding hand/alternity/cloud/covenant/etc were simply cybertronians that had reached class 12/1 on the technological development scale and become capable of manipulating the physical forces of reality")

[unicronnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom]

(( yes hello it's been a day but I'm still not over what I think is one of maybe six interactions the twins have had

there's nothing funnier than unicron being so mad that his brother is bigger and stronger than him at that moment

Just this complete, total, very posh 'oh fuck' from the thing who hasn't seen his twin in eons and it's a prelude to getting his ass absolutely fucking kicked

and!! AGAIN!!!

PRIMUS' FUCKING FACE

GOD HAS A SHIT EATING GRIN

[nanzyn]

calculating how far into transformers lore I can infodump onto my coworkers before they stage a coup

[kira-kui-n]

*makes a mistake while drawin tf fanart* this was on purpose actually. its an homage to g1 animation mistakes

[askvectorprime]

What’s the World of Forms?

Dear Friendly Philosopher,

This gets into rather metaphysical territory, but I will attempt to summarize.

The Cybertronian philosopher Platonix claimed that existence is but a reflection of the reality created by G One. In this theological model, the universes Cybertronians observe are like photonic umbras upon the hull of a warehouse, created by these true substances—in other words, every plasma pump, smelting pool, or Optimus Prime was created in the image of some ideal source object. These ultimate forms would reside in the "real universe", a hyperuranic realm close to G One.

It’s an interesting hypothesis, but if every last sentient being and object were a multiversal singularity, I imagine the Realm of the Primes would get rather cramped… and be altogether too tempting a target for Unicron!

[transingthoseformers]

Maybe the reason we don't see much of Primus in the other continuities is because he's busy being active in IDW

[ckret2]

bouncing off that anon's ask, who would you ship Bill with *outside* of Gravity Falls? Literally any media go ham with it

Invader Zim for exactly one reason: their voices would be sooo annoying together. Imagine it. Imagine the dirty talk. Absolutely atrocious.

This isn't a ship but I think he should hang out with Team Rocket. I mean I guess it could be a ship if you wanna find a way to fit him into the polycule. They've got plenty they can relate to each other on: complicated relationships with parents, being special in your species in a way that makes you a freak/outcast, seeking family via criminal gang, trying to accomplish ONE evil task for like a billion years and somehow no matter how many people you try to manipulate or how clever your cover stories and creative your plans you just canNOT do it...

But mainly I want him to give them terrible advice and horrible help on their criminal ambitions while trying to get them to build him a portal. They waste 50 episodes on 50 different portal-building schemes while Bill gets progressively more irate, and in turn they get equally furious at this annoying talking Ghost-type they can't touch or make go away. Poké balls work on him but he immediately pops back out even madder, which does nothing to help him persuade them that he's not a Pokémon.

Anyway within a month they'd all die for each other. In a very emotional moment when he thinks they're about to be killed and there's nothing he can do about it, he'd tell them they would have made fine Henchmaniacs; and then when they inevitably survive he immediately takes it back.

I think Bill and Unicron would hook up and I think Unicron would make Bill worse. I think he's one of the only beings in existence that could make Bill worse. Bill's got a self-destructive streak a mile wide and Unicron would exacerbate it. They'd break up cordially and then slowly grow to loathe each other more and more in retrospect. Bill would still booty call Unicron when drunk and Unicron would accept.

this isn't necessarily a ship but imagine if bill and getaway teamed up

The Princess in Rainbow Brite and the Star Stealer. Bill would promise her a diamond the size of a star and she would build him a portal in less than a week. Bill would compliment her interior decor sensibilities and she might actually compliment his appearance because he's very bright, and that would be enough for them to decide they're besties. They'd get champagne, trash talk their enemies, and bully the plebs like a couple of high school mean girls. They'd make out while completely wasted and deny it when they're sober. Each of them privately thinks the other one is their pet.

Grendel from Grendel. Bill would initially hook up with him expecting him to be the monster equivalent of a party frat boy and then they'd talk philosophy in a dark cave for 18 hours straight and mutually feel like they're not alone for the first time they can remember. They'd make each other worse and then fix each other and then Grendel would die in battle and Bill would get worse again.

I think he could have something with Frankenstein's monster, too—original novel version, not movie version. Similar reasons to Grendel: strong sense of alienation from parents and of isolation from everyone else in the world; feeling of having been created as something totally singular, feeling of having a perspective no one else shares; self-identification as the monster in the narrative of their own life... Plus with the monster Bill's also got "life inevitably culminates in killing my own dad." Bill met him because he was actually trying to get Frank to build him a portal—he's like the first scientist trying to do major projects using electricity—but then ended up more fascinated by the science project than the scientist.

[ikkosu]

Ikko! Ikko! I've always had a thing for shaterred glass characters.... Have you ever imagined yourself with sg prowl? It could kidnap you for whatever purpose only imagine the optics red and you You have nowhere to run. 😈😈

Sammy!❤️

If SG prowl is the opposite. Then I'd reckon he's one big of a dumbass. Calm scheming asshole. I mean he's still cunning but braincell probably shared with Springer is still in the equation.

I haven't read the SG comics but I'd definitely would 100% want to be kidnapped by him. Not because he's hot as fuck but because his 'security' is so shit everytime you're taken by him finding a way to get out is is as easy as finding Starscream's ego in that confined metal Twinmk body of his.

At this point you know his place like the palm of your hand. Hopping on and off whenever you please, pretending 'oh no!! Prowl's out to get me again!!' and after like a bunch of sticky pounding you waddle away to the deceptions while Prowl is having an aneurysm wondering how in unicron's two ass you got out.

Prowl. You have one door. It's not locked. And the lock — it's also cheap. Why did he even have a door anyway? Don't they use like, idk, gates. Even if he did he wouldn't even remember the fucking password.

And Springer is mommy's boy. Always the one grabbing the human. Always the one running after them when they'd left for the umpteenth time again. And, just as always, has one singular braincell that just explodes when he even tries to form a thought.

He'd be the more saner one. At this point he's not longer holding up his blaster when he sees you again for the hundredth time, on the deception battlefield. the deceptions themselves aren't even concerned anymore.

"They're taken!" Poor new deception barges into the briefing room and everyone rises up with an alarmed look.

"Which human?" One of the cons clarified with a narrow look.

"(Y/n)!"

The new con was expecting everyone to scramble out with a series of shouts, push and shove, but all they get is a blank look, a collective vents, and they all sit back down again, neutral stature. "Give it a few days. They'll be back."

And you did. Like a cat disappearing from the house, coming back home with new food on its maw. Said food is classified blueprints from the autobots. The only person wary though is Megatron. He's not sure how you're able to handle this everytime. But he got used to it, silently watching as you stroll into base with questioning bruises on your neck.

"You're aware you're fraternizing with the enemy?" He approaches you own evening.

You shrug. "A good stress relief. But hey, at least I've got you in intel.."

That shut him up real good.

[tachyon-omlette]

Aurex Eda - Armada & Cybertron versions (edited from @genesisorionix22's original concept, with their permission)

they r technically the same guy (singularity w/in Aurex) he just looks a lil different

[polygonal-trees]

Welcome new Transformers fans!

You might have seen this Don't Make Me Tap The Sign meme floating around. Transformers One has been out for a little while now so I want to expand on it as well as some other TF fandom things.

What does "Transformers doesn't have a set canon" actually mean?

Essentially, every new Transformers story is a reboot. They might draw from or expand on concepts from previous iterations but canonically each continuity family is separate. This means all lore is extremely flexible - origin stories, relationships, even personalities can change wildly between iterations and while some may be better or worse than others, they are all equally canon.

For example: Orion Pax was a dock worker in G1, an archivist in Prime, and a miner in TF One. None of these contradict each other.

Continuities also tend to share ideas without being directly connected. For example Transformers One draws from Transformers Prime in multiple ways (e.g. it features Airachnid) but it is not a prequel to Prime and in fact directly contradicts it. Yes I know there's a guy on xitter claiming tfone is a prequel to the Bay movies but he's wrong.

What is a continuity family?

Most storylines include tie-in novels, comics, video games, and other shows that all share the same canon.

The Aligned Continuity is the most well known. It consists of Transformers Prime, Rescue Bots, Rescue Bots Academy, Robots in Disguise 2015, multiple video games, and some tie-in novels and comics. They are all ostensibly set in the same canon... except the Aligned Continuity is inconsistent so even its lore is loose :')

My point is that while every continuity is separate, some shows are connected.

(Sorry if this is confusing. It is confusing. You get used to it)

What about fanon?

The Transformers franchise is old enough that a lot of fanon has become so pervasive it exists in a sort of nebulous space where it feels like it could be canon or at least become canon once enough fans are working for Hasbro but essentially: oh boy is there a lot of fanon

For example: seeker trines, doorwing speak, the Unicron Singularity and all forms of robot sex (sorry) are fanon, but they appear so often in fanworks that it's easy to get confused (I know I do!)

It's safest to assume something isn't canon unless you've seen it in a show (and even then, it may only be canon to that particular show)

Can I mix-and-match in my own fanworks?

Absolutely! It's very common for creators to set a story in one continuity but transplant a character from another, or use a different backstory, or borrow whole plot points from different canons. Chop up that lore and make a delicious continuity soup.

So why is this important?

It is very, very, very, very, very frustrating to be "corrected" about something that isn't relevant, or to see someone critisize a show based on lore that doesn't apply, or to have a character be called OOC when they're not, etc. I think a lot of fandom slapfights could be avoided if more people understood how loose Transformers canon actually is. Do what you want with your own creations but please be mindful when it comes to interacting with other people's.

This is A Lot

You don't have to know everything about Transformers to be in the fandom and have a good time - if you're only interested in TF One that is perfectly alright, you don't need to watch every show and read every comic and play every game to be considered a fan of something.

But if you want to find out more I recommend checking out the TFWiki - it isn't perfect but it gives a good rundown of most general lore as well as details about specific shows.

That's it from me. I hope this is helpful! It's the sort of thing I would have liked to read when I first joined the fandom haha