#tw ableist term

[aspd-culture]

I’m confused by the “psychopath” thing. I see people say it’s no longer a valid thing but then I see others are tested for psychopathy and are professionally considered psychopaths (I do know it’s not a diagnosis by itself but that it’s like… some sort of add-on to the ASPD diagnosis????)

So I’m kinda confused by all that and where exactly psychopathy stands in aspd circles and medical opinion/circles as well

Hope this makes sense/isn’t rude

It's not rude, I can understand where confusion would come from.

Psychopathy is not real. It does not exist in the DSM. Any diagnostic tests labeled "psychopath tests" are using stigmatized language and, if they are actual diagnostic tests (which many are not), they just test for ASPD.

Professionals who use the term psychopath or sociopath are exactly like professionals who use the term narcissistic abuse - that is to say, they're ableist either by ignorance or by choice.

It is not a type or subtype of any disorder, nor is it it's own diagnosis. That word is essentially a media buzzword used to sell movie tickets and harm pwASPD.

I have heard that it used to be in the DSM, but I currently have not been able to find proof of it and no one ever mentions which edition so I can check that. Even if it was, it is still not there anymore for a good reason.

If I sound frustrated, it's at ableist professionals, not at you. /gen

[chaos-in-one]

Hey narcissistic abuse & sociopathic/psychopathic abuse crowds, out of curiosity if a narcissist and a sociopath are dating, whose the abuser? Or do you think it just like... cancels out or smth?

[anti-ao3]

i know fanfiction doesn't need to be completely accurate, but i think that if you decide to write about, say, a marginalized disorder like schizophrenia, and not bother to do any research about it (nor hear from actual schizophrenic ppl) is pretty shitty.

[kasumingo]

Not related to anything in particular, but:

suibaiting = someone baiting someone else to commit a suicide

suibaiting =/= someone expressing how much they want to kill themselves, even if you receive it/consider it manipulative

The more you know!

[lesboylycan]

Why must we keep seeing people be saneist towards pwNPD

I am now co-fronting with the anger holder fragment. Fun.

[kitofawriter]

I work with older people who constantly make jokes about “being too ADD to have any distractions while working” and “oh I looked at my phone while working, I’m so ADD”. You know the kind.

Meanwhile, I, who am actively looking into diagnosis for ADHD because I’m 99% sure I have it, am listening to and singing along to FOB at 1.5x speed while writing paperwork because that is sometimes the only way to stimulate my brain enough to get it to focus on said paperwork.

[t4tdanvis]

The term delulu makes me want to bite people. I know the term delusional isn’t exclusive to just people having actual delusions with the way it’s used in (for a lack of a better word) everyday talk but like still don’t make a silly/cutesy term for it. Even when it’s not someone having actual delusions, you shouldn’t think it’s funny when like,, your friend’s boyfriend treats her like shit and is very obviously cheating and she just doesn’t want to believe that he is.

Might not be the best example but I’ve seen that specific scenario SO many times w the people using delulu.

Plus you shouldn't be mislabeling regular experiences as "delusions" because delusions are a specific thing that really harms the person experiencing them. Like that person said, "you are not "delusional" you are just in love". Watering down the word portrays delusions as some cutesy fun thing when it's 100% not. Sure, some delusions can be mostly harmless, but by definition they negatively impact the person's life. They shouldn't be treated like some silly quirky thing, and definitely shouldn't have a cutesy nickname like "delulu".

[imsosocold]

Guys if you disagree with my posts there’s no need to be ableist and use slurs, especially ones than vilify already demonized groups.

[gapbussy]

CW // DRUGS // addiction // traumatic injury discussion

I haven’t personally seen this discussion happen, but I’m sure I’m not the first person to think about it…

Wouldn’t have Johnny Joestar needed to use some kind of pain killer for his spinal injury?

Smokeable opiates were most definitely in use by then. The hypodermic needle was just recently invented as well, so medications like morphine and heroin would most likely also have been available to him.

Less of a question of “why wasn’t this in the manga??” and more of a “I respectfully wish this was a concept played around with more in fan works.”

Johnny would realistically still be suffering with some pain after healing to the point we meet him in SBR (obviously by the ending this is less relevant) so it would stand to reason he might have been looking for something to use for that.

Until Johnny met Gyro, but after his spinal trauma, where was he? What was he doing? All that time spent healing, trying to cope, trying to stay positive and hope to walk and ride horse again… only to be confined to a chair for the rest of his life.

In his deep despair, and levels of pain we simply can’t know unless we’ve personally experienced it… would Johnny have become addicted to pain killers? As was the fate of so many unfortunate victims of serious injury, as well as blue collar hard laborers in those days?

This lives rent free in my head and I need to write HCs for this but I just want to throw this out there for anybody to use as inspiration for a fic or w/e

I just want representation and validation for a chronic pain and addictive disease sufferin’ , disabled, historically accurate spoonie Johnny Joestar.

[aspd-culture]

What ASPD stereotypes do you think are the most ridiculous and untrue?

Ooooo, a fun one. In no particular order -

• That every pwASPD hates animals or is violent towards them. This is a super vicious stereotype that has made it's way all the way into the DSM. We are not super likely to hurt animals, at least no more than any other traumatized child. It does happen, yes, but many of us actually feel closest with animals because our lack of empathy and remorse and all that doesn't mean much to them. Depending on the animal, they either love you unconditionally anyway, or they tolerate you on the basis that you keep providing snacks. Plus, they don't require us to understand or care about social code. They also affect a different part of your brain than other humans your own age (more similar to how one bonds with a young child - instinct to protect and care for), so we are more likely to be capable of experiencing close bonds with them. Whilst not everyone with ASPD likes or gets along with animals, we also do not all attack them.

• That lacking remorse is what predisposes us to violence. These are entirely separate symptoms that have next to nothing to do with each other if you put them in that order. Sure, I don't feel remorse besides with Exceptions, but that's not what causes my violent urges. The people who say this are thinking from the perspective of making decisions in fear of feeling bad for things, which if you never experienced remorse in the first place, does not affect you. The people who say that without remorse we must go around violently hurting and k*lling people around us ("because what's stopping you??") are really just telling on themselves & admitting on main that they would st*b their loved ones given the chance. Super weird of them.

• (A classic) That they can pick us out in a crowd/we have a specific look in our eyes. Peak comedy is the many people who say "Don't worry, I'll let you know if you're dealing with a sociopath. They're easy to find if you know what you're looking for" directly to a pwASPD who hasn't told them. Literally my favorite thing ever that prosocials say.

• That a "true sociopath/psychopath" will never tell you they are one/that someone who is good at manipulation would never tell you they're manipulative. Well that's a funky lil trick you got there - you just gave me an easy in to abuse the crap out of you. Good thing I don't want to, but really? You don't see the flaw in saying that out loud to someone? It's also just false. Pretty funny again tho, except I hate the urge to manipulate or abuse people who say this just because I obviously easily could, so I try and steer clear or call them out for how fucking stupid that is.

Many, many more are untrue but these are the more lighthearted, ridiculous ones.

[yibo-wang]

why don't you like new ( I'm just curious don't mean to offend or anything)

It's alright none taken.

So back during 2020 days n*w

1. made a disgusting comment about namtan's (his costar's) body (during a live I believe)

2. made an ableist comment

it was totally uncalled for. He was radiosilent for days and let other people make excuses about him and what not and then pulled out a notes app "apology" which ngl was just making excuses and asking people to forgive him cause let's be honest he needed people to forgive him for his career

so yeah I'm really not looking forward to seeing him star in a show like cherry magic

[anti-ao3]

i just wanted to know the definition of dog whistling and...

[ID: google search result that answers the question "What does it mean when a narcissist says dog whistling?". The following text says, "Have you heard of "dog whistling?". It's when a toxic partner sets you up in public to make you look hysterical by triggering you with a word or an issue that you both know is related to you. It seemingly is innocent and unrelated to anything, but you know that it's really actually a dig to you". It's dated from September 30th , 2022, and it's actually a TikTok. /End ID]

stuff like this makes me want to abolish tiktok /half serious

[system-of-dead-stars]

Stop chdcking ur fcking txts like he clearly doesnt love u anymore let it fcking go go walk in front of a train or smth u deluded idiot

Has he ever needed a fcking break from u before? No. But now he does. Now he does all the time. He cant even stand being arnd u just kys u fcking idiot god i hate myself more than anything on this earth kys kys kys kys

[rotshop]

can someone tell me why the new cool word to say is skitzo. can someone tell me why non schizophrenics suddenly love saying they're schizoposting. can someone tell me why there arent more bmws crashing into homes and exploding.

[delphientropy]

friendly reminder that narcissistic abuse isnt real, no matter what you think it means

abuse isnt categorized by mental illness or personality traits, its categorized by what type of damage it does (physical, emotional, sexual, etc.)

the term narcissistic abuse was coined by a misogynistic, ableist rape apologist who believed that all people with NPD were monsters and were inherently abusive.

stop. using. the term.

and good lord to that one system whos trying to justify it by saying that its their trauma and "part of being a system." its not called narcissistic abuse. please fucking listen to the people with the disorder.

edit: sam vaknin is the person who coined the term narcissistic abuse and apparently he created it to blame his abusive tendencies on his narcissism (which im honestly not sure he even has). below is a post that details more into who he is and all of the disgusting shit hes done and claimed, do please read into it

[pluraldeepdive]

Let's Fact Check: Was MPD renamed to DID for Harmful Reasons?

(Disclaimer: This post contains descriptions of ableism and disbelief in plurality. I do not condone any hatred towards any person mentioned on this post. If you see anyone attacking them, please report them for harassment! This post was made to spread awareness, not negativity.)

In this post, we will be investigating the claim that multiple personality disorder (MPD) was renamed to dissociative identity disorder (DID) for harmful reasons.

Origins of the claim

This claim most likely originated from a (now privatized) wordpress blog post made in 2019.

Click here for an archive of the blog post.

In this post, the author is discussing a blog post they found that's written by Allen J. Frances, the chairman of an outdated edition of the DSM. After reading his blog post, they came to the conclusion that Frances renamed MPD to DID out of malicious intent towards people with MPD because his blog post states that he does not believe in MPD.

This wordpress post was later linked on Twitter, where many users began repeating the claim. As it spread across Twitter and other social media platforms, the claim has adopted several variations. Some people claim that Frances attempted to get rid of MPD entirely, some claim that he renamed it as a scheme to erase all plurality, and some claim that “DID” is an ableist or offensive diagnosis because of all of this. It seems like most of the people spreading these claims do not have DID themselves, however.

Click here for a link to an imgur folder showing examples of this claim in online plural spaces.

The post by Frances

Now, let's look at the blog post that was cited as proof that MPD was renamed to DID for harmful reasons.

Click here to read his post (TW for fakeclaiming and ableism).

This post was written in 2014. In it, Frances is expressing how he doesn’t believe in what he calls MPD. He personally adheres to the debunked skeptical models which suggest DID is created through therapeutic suggestion or is a “fad”. He talks about how he wished he could remove MPD from the DSM-IV, but couldn’t do so. The next best thing, to him, was to allow controversial statements to be injected into the manual. These statements were removed in the current edition of the DSM.

Frances does not mention anything about the diagnosis's name change.

Addressing bias & concerning behavior

First of all, it’s important to look into the author of the wordpress blog to understand how reliable their word is. The author is a median system who I found out, from the blog, is @/multi_sapphire on Twitter. She also runs the blog @/acting-nt on Tumblr, which is a fact known by many in the online community.

At the time of making her blog post, she did not identify as having DID. She is openly anti-psychiatry, as well. While I don't want to make this a big focus, this system also has a history in the plural community of being very hateful towards the DID label. I have had to make a PSA about them before for posting hatred in the DID tags (source). They are the coiner of the term "traumascum" among other things (source). Many, many PSAs have been made about her by other systems about various concerning behavior (source).

Frances’ post can be easily triggering to anyone with DID, OSDD, or plurality. It’s understandable how a system, who was already unfavorable towards psychiatry, came to think that all of the changes made to DID in the DSM-IV were done out of malicious intent. Let's investigate that next.

Addressing how the DSM is made & who coins names

For anyone who doesn't know, "DSM" stands for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It is a handbook used by clinicians to diagnose mental disorders.

The DSM-IV is an outdated edition that is no longer in use. It was published in 1994 and was replaced by the DSM-5 in 2013. While Frances was the chairman of the DSM-IV, he was kicked off the taskforce and has nothing to do with the current DSM. Most of the changes he made were completely reversed in the current manual.

The DSM taskforce is run by many people. Diagnoses are divided across different work groups who receive input and data from researchers that specifically research and work with people with those disorders. Suggestions are proposed from the researchers to the work groups, who then analyze this, conduct field trials, and propose changes that should be made to the DSM (source).

While Frances oversaw the taskforce, he is not listed as a member of any work group or researcher in the DSM-IV. This means he did not come up with any of the proposed changes to the DSM-IV.

Why MPD was renamed to DID

All of the dissociative disorders were renamed at the same time! All of them, except for DPDR, were changed to have the word “dissociation” in them. Researchers explain that they proposed this change in order to make the dissociative nature of these disorders more understandable.

Psychogenic amnesia was renamed to dissociative amnesia.

Psychogenic fugue was renamed to dissociative fugue.

Multiple personality disorder was renamed to dissociative identity disorder.

Atypical dissociative disorder was renamed to dissociative disorder not otherwise specified.

When it comes to DID in particular, there are two main reasons for the shift from multiple personalities to dissociative identities. Hersen et al. states the one of these reasons is that the term 'personality' defines "the characteristic pattern of thoughts, feelings, moods, and behaviors" of the whole brain (source). This is what makes alters identities rather than personalities. According to this definition of personality, having multiple personalities would mean having multiple brains! The second reason is that the older term emphasized the alters over the dissociation (same source).

In my opinion, refocusing on the dissociation rather than the alters allows people with DID to have the full spectrum of their symptoms recognized, and helps distance plurality from disorders. Many plural systems don't view their systems as the problem. Many systems don't have DID, either. The shift in this diagnostic language has made it much easier for that distinction to be made! It's very unfortunate that false claims have been made about this, casting more stigma onto both DID and non-DID systems.

Summary

To summarize everything:

The claim that MPD was renamed to DID for harmful reasons most likely originated from a 2019 blog post.

The author of the blog post was reasonably concerned about a figure of authority being ableist. However, their own biases against the DID label likely influenced their claim that the DID label was created by said figure of authority.

In actuality, that guy did not come up with the name "DID." Researchers are the ones who did.

MPD was renamed to DID in order to make it more understandable and put an emphasis on dissociation.

All dissociative disorders were renamed along with DID to include the word "dissociation" in them.