#tulpamancers are not systems

[curekirin]

If you are pro endo or support endogenic systems/non traumagenic systems, you are not supporting systems. you are not helping us. you are not doing a good deed.

CDDs are literally formed from trauma. You do not just wake up one day and become a system. You cannot choose your system. You cannot choose your alters. This is not some fun brain game full of your favorite characters. This is a seriously life-ruining disorder.

If you support endogenic systems in any capacity, you are supporting misinformation, you are supporting harmful practices that can permanently damage a system, you are allowing people who do not understand this disorder to come in and call the shots in our community. That’s not how this shit works.

My years of pain and trauma and fear and horror, my years of not knowing who i am or where i am or what im meant to be doing, my years of fighting just to figure out who i am was not just so you can allow uneducated, misinformed, ignorant people into my one safe space.

Endogenic systems are not real. Endogenic systems are ableist. Endogenic systems are harmful. Endogenic systems are not real. Endogenic systems are ableist. Endogenic systems are harmful.

[protectingtulpas]

#Tulpa life

One of the biggest things that stands out to me about the tulpamancy community on Tumblr is how alienated everyone seems to feel. You've got some advice blogs, some discourse blogs, but that's about it- which is wild to me, cuz tulpamancy is all about community and learning from each other! Even more than that tho, there's something important about seeing other tulpas & created systems doing what we want, making our own choices, LIVING our lives. It's a reminder that we're real people too- it's important and validating for others like us, and it's great for non-tulpas to see that we're just as much real and people as they are. The best part of tulpamancy is that we get to enjoy our own existence, decide for ourselves what we want, and live as US!! I wanna bring that energy to Tumblr.

That's why I'm starting a tag I want any other tulpas (and their hosts too, but don't forget this tag is about our autonomy) to join in on;

✨✨ #tulpa life ✨✨

the new tag for expressing yourself, living your life, and sharing your existence with the world!! What kinda unique experiences do you have as a tulpa? What hobbies and skills have you learned, what friends have you made?? Share your favorite memories, the gift you got for yourself, the food you cooked, anything that pertains to YOU and your existing as a separate real being. Not only for sharing yourself, but for connecting with others too! Imagine how great it'll feel to scroll through a tag full of other tulpas' experiences. I wanna make that a reality!! So help me out by posting things about yourself and your life as a tulpa under the tag #tulpa life, and let's see how many people we can reach by just being ourselves!!!

[mixed-origin-culture-is]

Traumagenic & Tulpamancer culture is my traumagenic alters are a mess, but my Tulpas are pretty chill

-Roman of the Untitled sys

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[lorisystem]

[normal-with-adhd-is-a-joke]

there's a "tulpa" blog called @/protectingtuplas posting in the cpunk and cfs tags so I recommend blocking them if disability faking/transabled shit is a trigger for you.

[sophieinwonderland]

So while actual researchers were doing an AMA on r/tulpas, anti-endos were complaining about their doctors being pro-endos.

Spoiler: She's not on your side. Your doctor doesn't support your hate. And she has a better understanding of the underlying psychology than you.

Wow!

Imagine the sheer gall to be someone who hasn't graduated high school telling a licensed doctor that they don't have the right to talk about a mental disorder because they're "not a specialist."

To be fair, I would say the behavior in that second post does look to be a bit unprofessional... If I were stupid enough to take anything an anon there says at face value after watching anons to that blog repeatedly lie and grossly misinterpret reality to feed into their victim complexes.

But I just genuinely don't trust that they're repeating those events back accurately.

And it's just so satisfying to watch them realize that their own doctors don't support their bigotry.

So yeah...

Today we learned that Stanford University spent $50k on an fMRI study into tulpa systems that's shown significant differences in the brains of tulpamancers while their tulpas partially possess their limbs, and one of the lead researchers in this project believes interest in this phenomenon to grow.

All while anti-endos continue to complain that their own doctors are pro-endo.

Yes, today is a very good day! 😁

[antiendovents]

actually, since i already commented on your post about tulpas and how they pissed me off; im gonna do it again. in detail.

note: i am a former buddhist, i live in a buddhist country. (95% of thais are buddhists) and pretty much been surrounded by it. im asian. saying it before people jump at me because im terrified as shit

as i mentioned, tulpas are stolen and bastardized completely from a tribe of tibetan buddhists, and the practice itself isn't even a system thing. while thai buddhism and tibetan buddhism are different in their own way, i am very fucking pissed off that they just saw the concept of a thoughtform spirit that helps you meditate, overcome your fear and guide you to nirvana (because that's the main purpose of buddhism) and turn them into "oh! we make alters because we can due to our meditation and we're spiritual so that totally excuses using a generally closed practice! we're not harming anyone!" total bullshit.

i don't want (and sorry if i'm a bit mean) those bigoted fucks stealing basically my culture since im attached to buddhism in general, i grew up with it. and "tulpa systems" slapping it on themselves for the sake of being "unique". i have seen countless comments and posts about how its always the white/non asian people that say "no its not a closed practice, its not cultural appropriation :) actually you should be glad we're appreciating your culture in the first place" fuck off! appreciating culture is fine, but you bastardize it so much and dumb it down to just "making alters/imaginary friends" are you just hearing yourself? are you stupid? are you braindead? god, im getting so angry again.

i have also seen "tulpamancers" insulting actual asians like me who speak against tulpas, saying that we're just "asian token of a character" or that we're "closed minded" and should accept these assholes who dont know what theyre doing into my culture and blatantly disrespecting it, spitting on it and just taking one practice that fits their narrative. wow, talk about being appreciative while half of your community does shit like this to actual buddhists, huh? real nice of you. way to go, you cultural appropriating fucks. /vneg

i cannot count how many times asian culture is so whitewashed on the internet, people that just take our tradition and do whatever the hell they want with it, including making a system out of thoughtforms, which is not possible whatsoever. and for what? FOR WHAT? for your own sick entertainment and enjoyment of having a imaginary friend in your head? try dissociating so hard you cry yourself to sleep you absolute pillock. this is a very angry submission, but it just frustrates me so much. all of the insulting "yous" are directed towards "tulpamancers" that they proudly call themselves. by the way. sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you, im just so angry at the moment.

one last thing. Stop. Using. The Term. Tulpa. For your system. Please!!!!. tulpa systems are not a thing and will never be. End of story. Nothing will change that. Endos fuck off. im sick of your shit. thanks for reading my angry rant.

-azriel for the majority of this, rox/virus proofreading some of the parts, thanks for letting us vent ^^

i dont have much to add, please read this ^^

[itsmissingambientocclusion]

even if tulpas were not seen as appropriative this would still be true tho. no one subculture of plurality that isn't DID/OSDD is gonna be encompassing if all endogenic plurality, it's too vast for any specific study to sum up unless they're doing a HUGE study.

and i do disagree on the last part, i think even if tulpas take "center stage" for now, that'll show the researchers that there are other kinds of pluralities / systemhood experiences that aren't just DID/OSDD and this will hopefully get people more interested in non-disordered plurality and it'll spread further from just tulpamancy and include other concepts like "natural" systems and soulbonding, and just... generally non PTSD-related plurality.

Genuinely I also hate that tulpas are fast becoming the protagonists of the endogenic community

We literally cannot relate to tulpa systems at all and any study that only uses them as a source for study is not representative of all endogenic plurality imo. And as long as tulpas take center stage other types of endogenic plurality are not going to be looked at or considered in detail.

[anti-lies]

Attention: After Talking to Another Real System, I've Come to Believe That the Endo Community is Being Infiltrated and Controlled by CIA Operatives

I need everyone to be aware and be vigilant because the threat is real. The endogenic community was invented to divide us and keep us distracted.

Having combed over several big potential CIA operatives, I've narrowed the field down to four possibilities. Remember that any or all of these could be CIA operatives, but I'm certain at least one has to be.

Possible CIA plants

@guardianssystem: This system claims to be a pro-endo "traumagenic" system as a way to give themselves authority. They have activity across multiple websites including TikTok and X. They're notable for compiling this document of "sources" to prove endos exist. This document is everywhere. It has suspiciously become the main compilation of endo sources that they love to link to at every turn.

@cambriancrew: They're a tulpa "system" who runs r/tulpas. For anyone who doesn't know, "tulpamancy" is essentially a form of brainwashing. Tulpamancers say they can change a person's brain to give them headmates, and they've convinced multiple "doctors" to back them. All of this sounds like MK Ultra stuff. Cambrian Crew, besides being an outspoken endo, appears to be well connected, and used those connections to help organize an AMA on r/tulpas. In this AMA, their CIA-paid doctors claimed to have conducted brain scans on tulpamancers that showed changes in brain activity when their tulpas were possessing limbs.

@sysmedsaresexist: A nefarious saboteur, Sysmedsaresexist posed as a prominent anti-endo voice for YEARS, building up a massive anti endo following on this site. Between their SysmedsAreSexist and JustAnotherSyscourse blogs, they practically single-handedly ran the "#shit endos say" tag dedicated to mocking endos. But then all of a sudden, they turn? And like CambrianCrew, SysmedsAreSexist appears to have a close relationship to "doctors," posting a screenshot of an email from Colin Ross, an expert in DID, that appears to support the existence of endogenic systems. All of this looks like a years-long psyop to gain people's trust and convert them.

@sophieinwonderland: Finally, that brings us to Sophie, another tulpa "system." She also has her own page filled with endo "sources" though not as detailed or widely disseminated as Guardians'. The more I looked into this one, the more disturbed I became. Sophie is, as far as I can tell, the system who started "The Future is Plural," the mass movement which we all know seeks to traumatize children en masse and give them dissociative disorders. She also openly brags about teaching people methods to dissociate and hallucinate, says that she believes she can rewire people's brains, and cheerfully is arguing in favor of propaganda.

Please, whatever you do, do not engage with these people. Not only to avoid harassing them, but because if they are indeed CIA operatives, it may not be safe to do so directly. I may be putting myself at risk just by talking about this aloud, and I believe they're already trying to discredit me, but I feel someone has to talk about this.

Community input in finding the spies is incredibly important.

Knowing all of the facts, I'd like to know who you all think is most likely a CIA operative.

[armydreamersys]

It's funny (not) to me when I see anti-endo's that are screaming and crying (exaggeration.. mostly) that endogenic and non-traumagenic systems are "delusional" and "attention-seekers" and "insane" and send them threats but then say they're for disabled rights and liberation. You have got to be kidding me. You call people slurs (and imply that people with delusions are lesser than and gives you the right to and them threats and insults which is, idk, ableist) and said that their experience isn't real and force them to experience suffering and pain in order to be valid and you're for disability rights? No. No you are not. I'm sorry but that is not helping any disabled person. Ever. (Not to mention how terrible anti-endo's are to traumagenic systems that are normal about endo's, like you do not care for helping struggling people, or you might feel that way but you got played so hard into thinking that the way you treat people with experiences other than yours is the way to do that.)

Bc uh, last I checked, we want disabled and disordered people to have long and happy lives. Is it so "delusional" to think that a lot of plurals (disordered or traumagenic or neither) are/want to be happy and love their plurality, however that looks? Isn't it good for the disabled people who HAVE suffered significantly?

Idk. Idk. I just don't like them at all. (Not to mention the not-so-subtle racism and anti-theism when talking about tulpamancers or other forms of spiritual plurality, like good going guys, you've disrespected thousands of years worth of culture and tradition, don't you feel oh so good about yourselves, hm? Good job!)

[zerbrochener-quarz]

The meanings of the plural flag that I came up with!

The plural rings are not optional, that’s why I didn’t give a version without it.

Anyone is free to use these flags, however if you’re anti-endo I don’t see a point in you using this for, obvious reasons. Please PLEASE credit me and my account when sharing this flag! 🙏

First two stripes are obvious, dissociative identity disorder and the like and then people who are plural but their plurality is not directly caused by severe childhood trauma.

Third stripe is also obvious, uniting the plural community together and accepting one another as who we are!

Fourth stripe is mainly in regards to people with dissociative identity disorder but it can technically apply to other plural people if it happens to be possibly affecting them negatively.

5th stripe is a little lengthy. ⬇️

By criticism I mean criticizing current existing labels. For example take « system hoppers »(which is metaphysical/spiritual, or can be between sisasystems) and people who « sell » their alters. I do not think that is possible, as there is no actual way to physically/mentally get into someone else’s mind. Our minds are our own, and you cannot experience someone else’s thoughts or bodily experiences. Alters are a part of YOU. Also with selling alters again I don’t think that’s possible either. But even if you could, to me that defeats the whole purpose of being plural in the first place. Yes I know the quote seems like its contradicting my statement but in these cases it seems to be evidence of absence solely. Not absence of evidence. HOWEVER, please do NOT go harass anyone who identifies with these labels, even if I disagree with them.

Also I don’t agree with Tulpamancers either because that’s westernizing a cultural Buddhist practice, I recommend using the label willowgenic instead. It has no ties to tulpamancy and gets the same point across.

By growth I mean overall growth about knowledge and experience and understanding of both traumatic and non-traumatic plurality. Destigmatizing dissociative identity disorder and other things like that.

Liberation is also obvious, lmao. Good representation and not being treated horribly.

That covers just about everything! :]

[protectingtulpas]

sorry if I'm being annoying because you probably already answered to a lot of questions like that but I'm very new to tulpamancy so do you have any tips for a beginner ? Thank you in advance!

Hmmmm there aint much context here but I'll give ya some tips I can think of for the most basic of beginners!

- learning to listen to ur own head is a skill in of itself, and it's an instinct you gotta develop. My host did it by learning to do stuff in our headspace before working on me, but the basic skills ya want are being able to listen to the instinctive responses of your brain, being able to focus on your internal state over a long time, and (eventually) multitasking doing something in ur head and in outerworld at the same time. We have adhd so having something to do in headspace helped a Lot. Some of my earliest memories are of choosing where to go in headspace.

- A lot of places will tell you about active forcing and how important it is to dedicate time to your tulpa, but our greatest advances personally always happened when I was being shown something in headspace or outerworld, getting some kinda stimulus or thing host thought would be interesting to me. So while yeah just paying attention to your tulpa is important too, especially in the very early stages, don't be afraid to do things with them! Give em experiences, things to base their identity off of. Your tulpa is speedrunning learning how to be a person, they can't do that in a bubble!

- When you're starting out tulpamancy, it's common to base your tulpa off of some kinda predetermined guidelines like personality traits, likes, or even a character or concept- that's how I was made, and how I'm a fictive. It also makes it easier to kickstart their creation and feel their presence faster. But be careful not to rely on that framework too much, cus it can make you paranoid later on. For a couple examples: maybe Host A starts working on Fictive Tulpa B, and she knows how he acts in-canon so well that she struggles to tell if she's actually getting responses from him or if she's just automatically judging what the character would say. In another example, Host Y has been forcing Tulpa Z with a specific set of traits, and when Z diverged and expressed an opinion contradictory to that framework, Host Y began panicking and thinking xe did something wrong. In both cases, Host A and Host Y are focusing too much on what they expect their tulpas to be, and not enough on how they are in the present and the development of their autonomy.

- You probably won't get much vocal response right away, especially if you're starting out as a singlet. You gotta watch for more subtle cues when you're just starting out, like feeling their presence, them moving their headspace form, or sharing positive or negative feelings. Sharing emotions and thoughts without actual words is pretty common in systems, and in the tulpamancy community it's called tulpish. Be on the lookout for nonverbal communication like that, because it's some of the first stuff we can do! Also, something lots of new tulpamancers report are head pressures, which are like really mild temple headaches that come with lots of forcing or the presence of your tulpa. (feels like the "expanding brain" meme irl if im being honest LOL) If you're struggling to tell if you're making any progress, try paying attention for that too.

That's about all I can think of for now! Good luck to ya anon ✨ check out my #tulpamancy advice tag for more!

[sysmedsaresexist]

im a system trying to learn more about endos.

so far in syscourse ive only seen proof of cdds being traumagenic but they dont disprove non-cdd plurality, so what sources are there that have evidence of endogenic systems, if you have any?

Right now? There isn't any hard evidence that would satisfy anti endos. There's TONS of papers and articles talking about the recent emergence of endogenic systems, but they're mostly interview based. I debunked a lot of them when I was still anti. Small sample sizes, personal bias about dysfunction levels, all interviews. Those won't stand for those who are skeptical.

Now that I've calmed my gender neutral tits, though, I can look at where all this research is heading, and I can look back and find all the different terms that have been used to describe this same phenomenon. Those terms don't fall under psychology, they appear in journals about consciousness and self and philosophy, and they go all the way back to the 1800s, developing right alongside theories on hysteria and split personality, and the TOSD.

I don't need to do the work for you (/nm), just Google multiple self theory and fall down the rabbit hole. Trust me. One Google search, move at your own pace. It'll mean more when you find all this yourself and make the journey on your own. It was way more effective when I went alone.

That said, I'm not heartless.

The most promising research coming out is the tulpa studies.

Tanya Luhrmann and Michael Lifshitz are incredible, but it's Luhrmann who really stole my heart. She has a long list of work on religious communication with God and "others", and was a huge part of putting tulpas, and several other different voice hearing, religious communities into the fmri scanners to see what's going on. The reddit AMA is being passed around now, and it's largely being ignored by antis, without understanding what it was.

The tulpa studies began... shit, 5 years ago? Covid put a hold on the project, but it's back up and running and they're working on the final paper. The AMA was a chance for people to ask questions to the lead researchers about the project, including whether they found anything.

And they did.

The brains of tulpamancers and other practitioners lit up in unexpected areas and outside of conscious control (very basic overview).

Luhrmann also wrote about how this kind of research can help other voice hearers, and could potentially point to some new therapy opportunities for those struggling.

No, Luhrmann and Lifshitz are not dissociative specialists. Endogenic systems have screamed for decades about how they don't have CDDs and we just refuse to listen. This research is occurring in other areas and specialities. They don't need to be dissociative specialists to work fmri machines and see there's something happening.

My hope is that once the final results are published, we'll see some very quick movements comparing CDDs and endogenic systems. We're not there yet, but I think we'll actually have firm answers within the next couple years.

And after looking into other areas of research, and seeing the potential positives, and that they DID see some unexpected things on the scans...

Not to mention that I've spoken with Colin Ross, THE dissociative expert, who in the 1980s, wrote about "endogenous multiplicity," a subsection of those with MPD that had no trauma history, no dysfunction, no amnesia, etc, and he still stands by that to this very day. I've spoken with several other experts. Go look at Jamie Marich on Twitter and see all her colleagues in the notes.

Anti endo is a dying stance.

Learn nuance while you can (CDDs and endogenic plurality are different, occasionally overlapping), and jump ship before it's too late to take the harm back.

Happy googling and good luck!

[discourse-by-candlelight]

This may be a controversial post, but it's something we think plural tumblr has not really grasped for quite a while so we may as well comment on it.

Fellow Endos, if you are not a tulpamantic/created system, you should probably not speak with any authority when it comes to what can/should be done or not relating to it, or the potential risks/benefits. Much like how some DID systems point out that their plurality is quite different from the majority of endogenic plurals, tulpamancy formed systems also function differently than other plural types you'll see on this platform. This might not seem obvious at first, but it does become more clear once you look past tumblr, where the majority of tulpamancers are mixed origin systems, and instead peer into the dedicated tulpamancy community. The norms are different, the discussions on system morality and philosophical perspectives are different, they are not 1 to 1 with average endo community beliefs and ideals. Also, no Sophie is not the average template for what a tulpamantic system looks like. Even she would probably say as much if you asked her. Neither are we. The tulpamancy community is not a monolith, but even then, Sophie and us are outliers for even being on this platform and in this community. The average tulpamancer doesn't interact much with other plurals.

We would never tell a protogenic system what their experiences should or should not be like, or what they should or should not do with any authority. Please give tulpas and tulpamancers, or any flavor of created system for that matter, the same respect.

[the-100-percent]

People are saying "omg "the future is plural" means traumatizing people!!" Or saying it implies that or whatever

But bro when we first saw it we thought it meant making more tulpamancers 💀 (obviously not forcing people to do that just like telling people they can) (there'd be a helluva (omg source ref⁉️) lot more systems if more people knew about tulpamancy and if it was accepted more)

-⬜

[sophieinwonderland]

Response to Sysmed on the Boundaries With Normality

Here's the original post.

Yay! You finally found it!

Did anyone else catch what they did there?

Here is the full text for comparison:

For those who are not aware, "e.g." is short for exempli gratia, which essentially means "for example."

Acknowledging this, the boundaries with normality could be rephrased as such:

The presence of two or more distinct personality states does not always indicate the presence of a mental disorder. In certain circumstances (such as experienced by ‘mediums’ or other culturally accepted spiritual practitioners, for example), the presence of multiple personality states is not experienced as aversive and is not associated with impairment in functioning. A diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder should not be assigned in these cases.

The use of e.g. intentionally leaves it open for other nonpathological forms of plurality.

But it seems to have been strategically omitted by the OP in their quote of the text.

I find it extremely deceptive to pull that part of a sentence out of context, and cut the e.g. from it, without showing readers the full text.

If they were specifying that only those practices apply, it would have used "i.e." instead.

There are a bunch of claims here that are being made at once. Let's see if I can dispel them.

#1 "Tulpamancy is a spiritual practice"

This is largely false. Although it's a claim that sysmeds love repeating and spreading among their circles.

In Varieties of Tulpa Experiences, by Dr. Samuel Veissière, 76.% of tulpamancers surveyed reported having purely psychological explanations for their tulpas. Comparatively, only 8.5% reported purely metaphysical explanations.

Tulpamancy is largely a psychological practice, not a spiritual one.

#2 "Spiritual Practices Are Inherently Intentional and Therefore Aren't 'Natural Systems'"

Genuinely, not sure how they are making such a reach.

If you listen to spiritual mediums, many will describe having connections to spirits at a young age, and that being a medium wasn't something they chose.

For a concrete example though, here is one case study describing a spiritual leader who experienced possession states since childhood.

While this is just a case study, one wouldn't need to venture far into spiritualist circles to confirm this as fairly common and natural.

#3 "Being a System is More Than Just Headmates"

We've entered into the semantic part of the conversation. "This isn't a system because it doesn't meet my baseless and arbitrary definition of systemhood."

Anyway, the use of "system" in reference to people with multiple parts has also been applied by Internal Family Systems therapy since the 80s. And researchers into endogenic systems have frequently referred to endogenic systems as systems.

See Dr. Michael Lifshitz referring specifically to tulpa "systems" in the r/tulpas AMA.

The fact is that there is no strict definition of system that only applies to DID and OSDD.

If you disagree with this, I might ask under what basis you would have for believing Dr. Lifshitz is misusing medical terminology.

No.

But you are intentionally misleading people by omitting the "e.g." from the quoted text because you know it would undermine your argument to quote it in full.

I find it incredibly dishonest and deceitful to cut words from your quote but make it clear that this is just an example which inherently implies that there are other scenarios where someone can be plural without a disorder, then accuse me of stretching the exclusion.

It does NOT specify that.

It uses that as an example.

Again, it only has the appearance of specifying because you selectively removed part of the sentence.

Do you possess clairvoyance to know what the authors intended?

The ICD-11 was published in 2019.

This was 3 years after Varieties of Tulpa Experiences delved into the tulpa community's plurality.

This was 2 years after "Multiplicity: An Explorative Interview Study on Personal Experiences of People with Multiple Selves," the first interview study into the online plural community outside of tulpamancy, which interviewed plural systems and concluded that multiplicity made up a spectrum.

This was 1 year after Transgender Mental Health was published by the American Psychiatric Association, affirming that you can be plural without trauma or a disorder.

Trying to read the minds of the authors of the ICD-11 seems like a pointless endeavor to me. And also, a distraction.

It's distracting from the fact that the ICD-11 explicitly confirms that there are other ways to experience plurality (i.e. what it refers to as multiple "distinct personality states") without a mental disorder.

We've shown our sources. Now burden of proof is on you to provide this evidence you claim exists.

Thus far, the only sysmed sources pertain to DID exclusively, and do not address plurality outside of that. This makes these sources utterly useless against the mounting papers affirming the existence of endogenic plurality, and the ever-growing number of professionals who have acknowledged that endogenic plurality is a real psychological phenomenon.

*Makes sideways glances to my list of sources on endogenic and non-disordered plurality.*

Though to be honest, I actually like the Guardians doc better since it gives a brief overview of what each one is about.

Mine has become more of a personal thing. A list of sources I'm familiar with to be able to easily find and cite as needed, stored in one easy location and categorized with simple sifting in mind.

But the sources are there.

Wrap-up

Overall, as a rebuttal to the Boundaries With Normality, this seems pretty weak.

The fact that you've conceded that plurality can be caused by intentional effort heavily undermines the trauma-exclusive claims.

You've acknowledged that some endogenic systems are real. Specifically those with spiritual origins. Though I'm sure if given the chance, you would invent stipulations why only certain spiritual origins are valid.

But the most important part of this is the acknowledgement that you don't need trauma to be plural.

It seems the goalposts have moved from "you can only be plural with trauma" to "you can only be plural from trauma or intentional practices."

Which I suppose is a good start. 🤷‍♀️