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#danny phantom#savant par#tucker foley#sam manson#ember mclain#im not gonna tag the other characters and ships thats too much work#phanart#my art#sketched this initially thinking id save it for valentines#but im impatient#also you should know i was imagining the plot of a Sam episode where Ember is playing matchmaker#and Sam has to take care of it for reasons#and tucker and danny are off having a date or something in the background the whole time#while she INSISTS that the holiday is stupid and ridiculous#she likes that its kitschy and dumb but she hates the consumerism of it all
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competitive aquarium date
bonus: the night before
#p5r#akeshu#shuake too i guess??#art tag#persona#casual dating implies the existence of competitive dating#they are RIVALS#although one of them seems to care a bit more about that than the other LOL#also random backstory i just made up#renren was so excited reading up facts#he only realised in the morning that his shirt had a curry stain on it#and so he had to buy a new one on the way and forgot to take off the tag#ofc mr detective prince has noticed but ofc he wont say anything#bc he secretly thinks it's endearing#but ofc he's say it's dumb and stupid#guys idk how you headcanon them but this is mine#they are slowly becoming my ocs#im adopting the two little guys from the game i played
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I put all my 愛 for the game into this one, to everyone who has beared my shouting about this modern classic for the last 4 years, I thank you!!!
Commissioned by Greg Chun (eng voice of Kaname Date) He will be doing a signing session at a later date where you can get this as a print, go follow him for more info on that!
#ai the somnium files#aitsf#ai the somnium files nirvana initiative#art#qosicart#kaname date#iris sagan#mizuki okiura#aiba#PHUeuuuwwwwwwwwwwww this took a lot out of me#Hey can you draw this one character? oops suddenly ENTIRE cast#not only that the colours got me really mental locked if ya catch my drift#bless greg for being my second VA commission ever but also the best one I might ever get#Happy AI anniversary soon too (It's in september)#It's funny because as this game was being promoted via the leminiscate youtube ARGs I thought it looked so dumb#but then I played VLR and ZTD and they blew me away so furiously that I was like “I MUST PLAY ANYTHING THAT UCHIKOSHI TOUCHES”#and you should too if you like mind bending mystery pseudo science thrillers!
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I kinda wish that "oh they don't know they are dating yet lol" was used less as a joke because while it can be funny to think about people not recognizing their obvious feelings it also shows a major issue with amatonormativity and believing certain ways people interact with each other can only be read 1 way. It shoves relationships into a box and assumes the people in their own relationship don't know any better and so can't possibly label it correctly.
"they say they are friends but obviously they just don't know they're dating yet!" Assumes that 1. Friendship is less than romance. 2. That the way these people act with each other has to be romantic and any other interpretation is wrong including the people who are interacting own interpretations of their relationship. 3. Assumes you, a third party observing the relationship you are not part of, know more and better than the people in the relationship and thus have authority to put a label on said relationship.
Do you see the problem here? Do you understand how fucked up it is to constantly be told your relationship is something it's not. Do you understand how rude it is to undermine people's own ability to properly label their own relationships. It does not matter if YOU think they are dating. If they say they are friends then they are F R I E N D S.
The thing Abt relationships is that all parties in the relationship have to agree with what it is. If one says they are dating and the other says they are not, then they are not dating and they will never be until both agree on that face. Simple as that.
#text#amatonormativity#relationships#aro#aromantic#ace#asexual#aroace#aspec#ive seen 1 too many jokes abt characters actually dating but being to dumb to know#like maybe...maybe expand ur view on how relationships can be structured and accept that#maybe the perception of their relationship isnt something to be belittled and laugh at#maybe explore the idea of friends who still kiss??? instead of being 'haha funny doesnt know they r dating'
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Dinner?
Feeling a bit Spirit Halloweenish.
Danny blinked, stared blankly, blinked again before slowly very slowly closed his front door.
A few seconds later Danny opened the door again and once again meet a certain tallish young man, around his age if maybe a few years older, in front of him...
Who was it?
Bruce Wayne....
Bruce freaking Wayne, someone according to what he heard from Sam telling him from what she heard from her parents had apparently just dropped out of med school and was 'in the wind' according to rich elite gossip talks, was at his front door.
........
Why?
Wait... Did he just ask Danny out on a date?
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Bruce Wayne has just dropped out of med school and is beginning his training into becoming the person his city needs him to become. While looking into where he can he remembers how in his teen years the planet was almost destroyed but was saved by a ghost teen hero and looks into it. He digs deep to uncover what happened, uncovering impressive firewalls Amity Park has, etc and finds out about Danny Fenton/Phantom.
He decides to go visit the younger man, who is just about to start college himself, and ask a few questions.
He uhhh... Bruce just wasn't expecting to find Danny very cute (even though he was pretty certain Phantom had been his first male crush when he saw a photo of the teen years ago), and adorable with his owlish stare, and well the first words out of his mouth was
"Would you mind joining me for dinner?"
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#danny phantom#danny fenton#crossover#dp x dc#blue rambles#danny phantom dc#writing ideas#random idea#dpxdc#spirit halloween#Danny x Bruce#Bruce had a crush on Phantom in his teens#and is now in front of Danny and accidentally asks him out#Danny agrees#cause its Danny he totally would#Bruce was suppose to ask hero questions but yeahhh#They do start dating#then have a off/on again thing going for a while#When Bruce starts getting kids does their relationship starts becoming more solid#Though Danny still lives in Amity. Despite Bruce trying to get Danny to move to the manor#Danny I think gets along with most if not all the kids#he's the emotional Dad(tm) those kids need. He has personal rooms for them too.#Whenever Bruce is being a hard/dumbass they go running off to their other dad#btw only Amity knows Danny is Phantom. They're keeping him a secret from the world tbh#Also personal head canon. Talia tried to kill Danny because she knows how much Bruce loves him but they became friends instead#and has a group chat with her and Selina where they talk about Bruce if/when he does dumb shit.#Danny is both their friends cause he has that midwest/Fenton charm
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Lucifer: You seem happy. What are you writing?
Satan: A will.
Lucifer: Well it is smart to prepare for the future and-
Satan: It's yours.
Lucifer: Of course, it is.
#I’m cleaning out dumb drafts- so let’s pretend that demons write wills too#surprise it’s queue!#ro’s dumb stuff tag!#obey me!#obey me shitpost#obey me crack#obey me incorrect quotes#obey me#obey me satan#obey me lucifer#om! satan#om! lucifer#om! shall we date#om! shit post#om! crack#om!
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I know it's largely a waste of time because the people I've seen peddling this idea don't really care and are just doing it to add pointless discourse, but I am bored at work so at least I'm getting paid!
The idea that, although Kabru cares about Laios, Laios doesn't care about Kabru is wrong, even before he becomes his royal advisor and the new interactions they got post-canon, and insisting otherwise shows a lack of understanding of the dynamic.
I think it's clear to everyone that the confession scene mattered to Kabru, so the camp pushing this lately isn't even arguing that, but I don't think they're thinking from Laios' side.
The entire scene is meant to be a parallel to Laios and Shuro's fight way earlier in the manga. Laios hasn't known Kabru for nearly as long, but he was still someone who was ultimately lying to him (a façade in Kabru's case, wrapped up in his own trauma) and someone that Laios built up an ideal version of in his head... so why is his reaction to Kabru coming clean so starkly different? Simply put, it's his character development.
Instead of angry and betrayed, he doesn't even initially believe anyone would go through the trouble of braving the Dungeon to be his friend. Such a ridiculous idea!
But Kabru IS sincere. He is sincere in his desire to get to truly know Laios. He has his own wrong ideas about what makes Laios tick, but differently from many, many people in his life (especially with his childhood and his complex feelings towards his village and his parents who ostracized him and Falin) Kabru is willing to make an effort to understand him. That's huge.
#Laios Touden#Kabru of Utaya#Dungeon Meshi#I've been ruminating on this post since I saw that shit start popping up and it made my eyelids twitch#anyways he immediately asked Kabru out on a restaurant date after that#no really. that happened in canon in case you don't remember#Labru#it works platonically too! you don't have to be invested in them romantically#but denying the bond is just... dumb
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I had the absolute dumbest idea:
X-men dating sim where you can date like any adult in the mansion
And like Charles’ route seems normal but if you get too far you get killed by Magneto and get a secret bad ending.
anon you cant say this not when i have an infatuation with imagining my faves in DATING SIMS
#snap chats#anon NEVER say such a brilliant idea is a dumb idea again this is the best idea ive heard within this hour and 25 minutes into the day#i was literally just talkin to a friend about charles being an unattainable dating sim option#NOOOO STOPPP i wish i could make a dating sim so bad .. ive tried a couple times but#never got past the planning stage. i always thought too hard bout it vjevljevlkea#please i just wanna put charas in silly dating sim scenarios ... i could just go the Choose Your Own Adventure Fic route ig..#BUT THE VISUALS !!! I NEED VISUALS#i need to make those hd stills yk what i mean#AND THE SPRITES...... im sorry making a dating sim sounds so fun but im so lazy#im gonna giggle and kick my feet imagining it tho ....#in the Hypothetical X-Men Dating Sim erik should be that Unlockable path you get after playing the game ninety times#and then you cant even date him anyway ....... he devoted to charles ...#erik x f!reader hcs He Leaves You For A Man type shit 😭#ending the post now so i dont just ramble for ninety minutes about an x-men dating sim that'll never come to be#nay im gonna go back to watchin evolution ...... they be giving me HANK CENTRIC episodes with WOLFSBANE IN THEM#AND BOBBYYYYYYY i love evolution this show IS the best holy damn.....
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Shuanns? Hello? Helloooo??? Anyone there????
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#i love it when Akiren and Ann are bisexual. by the way.#Ryuji too ig..... /j#persona 5#shuann#ann x joker#akira kurusu#ann takamaki#ren amamiya#ok but theres this specific dynamic of em i like i think you can kinda see it#Ren is stupid Ann is stupider yk? her dumb to his ass. his braincell-sharer.#Akira is a loser and Ann deflects any slander#Polyamorous Ann actually she dates Ren AND Shiho (they dont date eachother but they admire The Wife together)#ryuji sakamoto#makoto niijima#<- special appearance!#maze.jpeg
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MLM
flowers, cowboys and cinemas
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First time drawing them. I hope I got everything right hehe.
Also while I was preparing myself to draw I thought like when instantly looking at the themes sheet I was like:
Oh that's easy I'll draw AbelBunny. My brainrot that I love and hate with so much passion. <I mean that in a positive way.>
And then.. When the day came I was like.. Wait but I could draw Cowboys and cinemas..
So there was already TWO options I could choose from but BARE WITH ME THAT'S NOT THE END-
When I was looking for references my mind started screaming: "OLANDY, OLANDY, OLANDY. LONELY GET A GRIP AND DRAW THEMMM."
So at this point my mind was like uhh..
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Like that.
And by looking at the art you see which ship won.
Don't worry AbelBunny and Olandy shippers I will definitely draw them in a near future.
Knowing that AbelBunny is one of my strong brainrots uh.. Yeah they're not going anywhere.
#dialtown#art#magma art#dialtown phone dating sim#MLM#ajuneofdialtown2024#dialtown norm#dialtown mr dickens#Cowboys and cinemas#I'm rambling in 3 am again#Sometimes I'm really worried that I'll be way too sleepy and say something DUMB.#Haha.#I probably did already... Maybe.#LySr art#LySr rambling
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luffy gets a girlfriend
He is blissfully unaware of this fact, however. He meets Torao at work, he's a firefighter and she's a doctor. She stitched up a cut on his arm and he gets hungry, spontaneously invites her to eat and she accepts, probably hungry too (or totally thinking that the cute guy with the stupid smile is asking her out).
They go out several times after that, usually with Luffy showing up at the hospital randomly, either injured or bringing in a patient, or simply to bother Torao because he was bored.
Luffy gets a new (girl) friend.
They're weird friends, though, because one day Torao just leaned in and kissed him. On the lips! And he liked it for some reason, so they kissed countless more times.
And sometimes things get too hot when they kiss and one thing leads to another and- well, they had sex. Several times. Which is weird, because Luffy definitely has no desire to kiss, much less have sex, with his other friends. But it works, so he just classifies them as weird friends.
He's pretty sure they're NOT lovers, because neither he nor Torao made fancy proposals, with roses, candles, fancy dinner and fancy rings, like Sanji and most TV shows tell, so, definitely weird friends.
And its okay, he likes being weird friends with Torao :D
(They're totally dating and no one believes Luffy when he says they're just friends. Because he shares his meat with Law, he actually, like, listens to her opinion instead of just doing what he wants, he takes her side in arguments no matter how obviously wrong she is, he fights with Ace, physically, when his brother says Law should get out of Luffy's life.They are totally dating, Luffy has a girlfriend, it doesn't matter that he doesn't know it.)
((law is just happy to be here, even if her boyfriend is a little slow))
#its like roomariage but the other way lol#law is tired poor girl#shes dating a moron lol#and if you're asking yourself:#“why its law not stressing over the fact luffy doesn't admit they are dating?”#everyone and their mother knows they are dating#she does too shes smart#aka: fem law is less dumb than og law bc women#women#do you see the vision? women#anywaysssssss#again#again everyone and their mother knows that they are dating#everyone but luffy#he genuinely thinks they are just weird friends#and then proceeds to get FURIOUS when Nami suggests that law should be weird friends with her too#imagine all the blackmail material nami will have against future Luffy when he finally understands what is going on#oh shes about to be so so sooooo rich im not even joking lol#ace being an idiot for plot reasons#but i love him i swear its just like once#hes sorry he was drunk im sure#lol actually he thinks this tall gothic and super hot woman is taking advantage of his little brother#and he actually thinks she should take advantage of him#(hes jealous hes lil bro got a baddie when all he gets its his right hand )#im sorry#kjgfhkhkjghkgfhdkghdfkjh okay that it#one piece#one piece lulaw#lulaw#lawlu
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caught getting saucy smh..................
#hiiiii im gonna start queuing up my s2 art :3#ill tag it as Prodigy Spoilers soooooo look out if u dont wanna see it#theyre not too spoilery for the show (save like 2) but idk i just wanted to give a heads up like curate ur own feed besties#Prodigy Spoilers#My Art#Star Trek: Voyager#Star Trek: Prodigy#Chakotay#Kathryn Janeway#Threshold#AU#Human#i dont think theyd be careful about secretly dating in any timeline haha#wasting no time lol#theyre so dumb
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band au rahhhhhhhhhhh
#i wanted to draw the other guardians too but this would be a good start#ok so#tsuna starts his band. yamamoto bass and gokudera keys and tsuna suprisingly drummer and also lead vocal. reborn appears out of nowhere-#being “youre not your full potential so i will drain you till youre like a fish in a dehydrator until you become the best out there.”#thats about it#but i just like how drumming singers are like extremely good music people because drumming is already hard. and singing too???#absolutely insane i might say. tsuna would do this (bc reborn told him so)#he does not want to be the best but reborn exists in the paro for a reason#reborn is like maybe a famous musician who faked his death then did whatever he wanted to do while he was “alive”. then he got tsuna as his#apprentice and so so. oh yeah also whiplash (the movie) reference bc holy shit its so good. for me at least. and reborn would make tsuna go#that kind of crazy. like training until drenched in sweat from morning to night or whenever hes available. bc he knows he has potential#he just need someone to push him beyond his expected limit#btw 8059 implied#gokudera joined the band first bc yeah then comes yamamoto for fun as he had to rest from playing baseball a bit too enthusiastic#gokudera hated him so much for like being dumb??? (the goofy ah laugh) but then the two dated even before reborn made a move on tsuna#its very funny but they work it out#i was also thinking if the band ever do solos or do something not as the whole band 8059 will have their own album. itll be great#for genre im not sure?? lets just say alt rock electrojazz????#no idea but maybe ill make a playlist. maybe#sawada tsunayoshi#reborn#yamamoto takeshi#gokudera hayato#8059#r27
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I'm still not done with this theory. I thought about it again in context of the transcripts of the Small Print in the Marriage Agreement bc something about it niggled at me, and I connected some dots. This is gonna be long and partly a rehash of some of my previous posts, sorry.
TL;DR: Betelgeuse might be, or might have been in the past, trying to gain immortality through marrying and then murdering Lydia the same way Delores tried to do to him, except in BJBJ, he was trying to contractually obligate Lydia into the steps of the ritual through the small print of the marriage agreement. One of which, apparently, includes Falling In Love. He's only trying half-heartedly, though. Cause he likes her.
There was literally no reason for Delores to have been in the second Beetlejuice movie except to give Betelgeuse an excuse to narrate his backstory and exposit to the audience about the immortality ritual that Delores tried to pull on him.
Betelgeuse is clearly both intimately familiar with the ritual bc he was a victim of it, as well has theoretical knowledge of it, or else he couldn't have narrated the flashback like that. He, while alive, wouldn't have known about the cult or the requirements and purpose of the ritual, or even that there was one. He had to have looked that up later.
The ritual definitely requires marrying and then murdering your spouse and stealing/binding their soul, and likely also requires the love of the victim (at the time of the wedding? Wedding night? Murder? Cause while Betel doesn't seem to like Delores anymore, he did look smitten in the flashback and called himself "bewitched". Love is at least useful to get them to marry you) - and possibly also for the victim, because Delores was still acting like she had some possessive, fucked-up love for Betelgeuse. That part is actually very weird. Why the hell would she STILL act like she's into him when she murdered him, or at least tried to? I know fanon has it that he's a fantastic lay, but it's been 600 years. While I'm at it, I doubt the consummation was just for fun or done as a last kindness for the condemned, so there's another likely necessary step of the ritual.
And while that backstory and bit of lore was imo very interesting and sad, it didn't actually add anything, did it? We didn't need those particulars, fun as they were to watch, they weren't relevant to this movie. "Betelgeuse's ex wife is pissed and hunting him" would have given us the same movie minus the lore. Or just write her out. We didn't need her stalking the halls, or killing Bob - which was just added to give her more to do - or even showing up at the church, either. She was completely unnecessary after that flashback. Or even at all, if nothing further is ever going to be made of that ritual or cult (and would we want another soul sucker in BJBJBJ?). Ok, she was scary in a hot way, but that's it. Even without her, Astrid could have opened the door to the Sandworm in order to get rid of Betelgeuse in the church, who'd then have rerouted it to only Rory, followed by "We had a deal" etc just fine. The number 1 complaint people have about this movie is that Delores was just there for no reason. Betelgeuse/Delores does follow the theme of Love Betrayed same as Astrid/Jeremy and Lydia/Rory, and that's neat, but that wouldn't have required a background story involving a cult and a ritual that can get one out of the dead thing, for good gain you Immortality, through marriage and murder.
Then there's this:
Delores: Your soul belongs to me, my love, for eternity.
Betelgeuse: You don't want to spend eternity with me.
That sounded like they'd be bound together forever, not like she was going to eat his soul. At least, it sounds like that's Betelgeuse's understanding of what Delores is after. He'd still have been by her side. He just didn't wanna be after she killed him. Ok, so that bit is also there for a reason. Everything else, between flashback and church scene, is filler. Poor Bob.
Now we come to this transcript of the small print of the Marriage Agreement (only the highlighting is mine, transcript by jadeluz-official (who deactivated, and I don't know their current username or I'd link directly), which tbh, I'm not sure if we can count the text as canon bc it's basically imperceptible to the majority of the audience, but if the transcript is accurate then the contract is plain fascinating:
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Do you see what I'm getting at? Cause the Immortality Ritual Theory occured to me weeks before I ever saw that transscript, I first mentioned it on my blog here and send herefortheships an ask related to the idea before that... but the part where Love might be an requirement for the ritual just hadn't occured to me then. Then I reread that small print which would compel Lydia to love Betel, my mind flashed back to Betelgeuse saying Delores had bewitched him, and I was like, uhhhh.
In context of my theory, Betelgeuse trying very hard to to woo Lydia (firm, very visible canon) and also having a contract ready that would obligate* her to love him for eternity and to fulfill all his needs (which is technically in the movie, but barely legible), is very sus. We've got love, marriage, sex (needs), and two people bound together for eternity all covered. The only stuff that's missing is the blood-drinking and the animal sacrifice. Which, 1) might have just been for the satanic aestetics, and 2) would still have been very easy to get Lydia to do if that contract had made her fall in love with Betel.
*again, the canonicity of that small print is questionable, but it does recontextualise Betel's wooing A Lot. Or like, make his motivations for it more ambiguous. Why write the Agreement like that? Why write it at all? (Was that in the script? I very badly want to read the script but I can't find it)
None of the above imo invalidates the headcanons/observations I and other people have made about how Betelgeuse did not try all that hard to either enforce that marriage agreement - which HE never even signed.
(he didn't even have Lydia sign it below when it says it will become effective once it's signed below, and yes I am being pedantic about a prop that people likely weren't meant to read anyway, but someone did bother to write it and it is meant to be a contract written by a demon/evil spirit who makes a lot of deals, so the signature being in the wrong place is really funny to me)
An agreement which should not have been voided by the Code 699 violation anyway bc it's an engagement, not a marriage. Nor did he physically/magically force Lydia into marriage in the church despite having ample time, plus there's his suspicious failure to fight back against banishment and instead inflating like a balloon and becoming helpless at the first "Betelgeuse".
Those can't all be out-of-story oversights. Maybe the handbook was meant to say "voids marriage contracts", but even so, the contract makes the code-violation it's own loophole. There's so much wriggle room to get out of the marriage. It's like the scriptwriters made a list of ways Lydia could escape the marriage this time, and then used all of them.
I don't think Betelgeuse really wants to screw over Lydia the same way Delores did him. At least, not anymore. But the pieces are set up in a way to suggest that the thought has occured to him, and that he might keep the ritual in his proverbial backpocket in case "have her fall in love with me and agree to stay with me forever voluntarily" fails.
Or maybe, he believes that the immortality ritual is still his actual plan A - cause this theory does imo fit quite nicely (as a retcon) even into the first movie where he said he wanted out of the creepy dead thing for good, cause he's arrogant enough to believe he could get Lydia to "help" him with that if only she let him out for a bit so he could make her like him (tbf, Toonverse proves him kinda right; he can be lots of fun) - and is now deeply, genuinely confused why he keeps self-sabotaging and giving Lydia outs, cause he himself is not aware just how deeply he's fallen for her after 30 years of watching her and trying and failing to get her attention. Too deeply in love to just give her a love potion (Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian had them, and hey, if Truth Serums exist...), take her to a church, take her to bed under the influence, and then kill her. And too much in love to make her love him through a contractual obligation that she'd be bound to after the wedding.
Betelgeuse pointed Astrid to that loophole in the Handbook by drawing her attention to the book in the church and implying she'd find info about his and Lydia's deal in it. Mention of the deal is not in there, only the loophole to it is. And he knew she saw that page already because he clearly followed her to Jeremy ("She decided to trade lives with the boy"). This self-sabotage could have (further?) backfired on him because the other page she'd flipped to at Jeremy's was the one about Sandworms.
He's a deeply, deeply conflicted man.
#bjbj#beetlejuice#beetlejuice beetlejuice#beetlejuice 2024#beetlebabes#immortality ritual theory#or else he is just very very dumb this time around. but there's just too much dumb#I feel like a conspiracy theorist but this one is not a case of me seeing connections between necessary plot points where there aren't any#when stuff just happened that way because it needed to to drive the plots forward.#BJBJ would've worked just fine with just the family drama and Astrid's first date being evil#Neither Delores nor that info about the ritual were necessary to the bigger plots and neither was the fine print#at least wrt to THIS movie#we got some fascinating Betelgeuse lore mounted on the wall#and uh. written in tiny print on the wallpaper I guess#I'd like to see it come into play in Act 3#our titular... guy knows a permanent way to get out of being dead and keep his girl bound to him forever#would be weird not to do something more with it
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Super duper pooper late Valentine’s Day thing
It still looks like shit lmao
#cuphead#the cuphead show#cuphead fanart#devildice#snake eyes#king dice#the devil cuphead#sally stageplay#her husband lmao#henchman#stickler#the context is Sally sold her soul for a dinner date so perfect her husband would propose to her#it’s dumb I know#I just needed an excuse to draw Cupid henchman I’m sorry#phineas and ferb#yo I just realized how blurry this is but I’m too lazy to fix it sorry#my art
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This is probably going to be a very long post but the more I think about the rise (and subsequent fall) of the New Mandalorians, the more that I get wrapped up in not only the colonialism committed by Satine and the movement, how it began in such a horrifyingly understated way, but also how it paved the way for Mandalore to be destroyed thanks to the almost-complete erasure of their culture.
First of all, Canon verse deciding to remove the True Mandalorians (and placing the "Old" Mandalorians in a similar, though less prominent position) feels particularly underhanded and paints everything in a black and white manner. Satine: a sympathetic character who is the only one standing against Death Watch, the last shred of peace left for Mandalorians to cling to. Which. Last standing? Yes, definitely. But not the only one.
A war where Death Watch and the New Mandalorians were the major players, only to have Death Watch defeated – even with the assistance of the Jedi keeping Satine alive – makes little sense from a technical standpoint. Is it impossible? Probably not. All sorts of things can happen in history, pure dumb luck makes every difference, but it's unlikely. A party which seeks peace is not going to survive against another ultra violent, volatile party that's pissed off at you because you want to erase the culture that they so deeply value.
Which, yeah I don't buy it. Even with the Republic stepping in later on, it's fishy. But for the sake of my sanity, I'm mostly focusing on Legends, because the more you try to create a coherent timeline (seriously, how is Clone Batch Math easier than this?) for the Mandalorian Civil Wars, the harder it is not to give up entirely.
Anyways. Satine did not survive years of conflict due to mere smarts and perseverance, and did not end the war by being charismatic and having good people skills. She was the LEAST THREATENING PARTY in a three-party war, hunkering down with her Jedi protectors and playing politician while the actual warriors in the conflict weakened one another and – for the True Mandalorians – were wiped out.
True Mandalorians. Death Watch. New Mandalorians.
So, okay. The approximate dates of the beginning and end of the Mandalorian Civil Wars don't necessarily make sense with Satine’s age. She'd have been slightly younger, and Canon seems to have a tendency to just wave their hand in the general direction of a time period and deflect onto another topic.
Which, you know what? Fine. I can work with that without having to think too hard about the dates. It kills me not to delve into it further, but. No. It's not like Disney's gonna pay me to fix their broken timeline.
(But if I had to, I'd shift Jaster's death to 47BBY instead of 52BBY, and push the Battle of Galidraan a year back to 43BBY, and—)
Here's what's important to remember, though:
- There are two Mandalorian Civil Wars. The first being True Mandalorians vs Death Watch. The second being the much shorter, and quickly solved Death Watch vs the New Mandalorians.
- The massacre of the True Mandalorians happened shortly before the beginning of the second civil war.
- The True Mandalorians had already been dealing with Death Watch for years, and they were winning. Death Watch wasn't just on the run, they were weak, they had to resort to TRICKING THE JEDI into killing the True Mandalorians for them.
Who wasn't weak? The New Mandalorians, the people that actively choose to turn their back on a culture that had survived for centuries. And yes, Death Watch remained even after the True Mandalorians fell. Tor Vizsla targeted Satine and the New Mandalorians viciously after that, there was even more destruction, but it wasn't with the severity with which he'd prosecuted the True Mandalorians.
Here's what happened next: Jango Fett escaped his enslavement. He hunted down Tor Vizsla, and he killed him. Whatever strength Death Watch had regained in those few years didn't matter, because the second their leader was gone they were certainly left unorganized and at a disadvantage.
Giving the New Mandalorians the opening they needed to cement in people's minds to their beliefs and convince the House and Clan leaders that abandoning their old ways was the solution. After all, how much more of Mandalore was left to destroy? How many more had to be lost?
With the public's approval and the Republic’s help, Satine Kryze and the New Mandalorians scavenged the corpse of Mandalore, and they took what they deemed fit, left the rest to rot and – given time – be erased completely.
What's worse is that Satine's activism and speeches made it sound like that made sense (because, to Satine, it did make sense); abandon what Mandalore once was because that's the reason we've been destroyed, isn't it? (Not entirely untrue.) And these people, whose world had been ravaged, who's clans and families had wrecked everything with in-fighting, were tired and desperate enough that they listened.
Actually, here's what's really worse — Satine got LUCKY! The first time! It should not have ended like that. But because she got lucky, because it worked once, she tried to do the exact same thing when the entire galaxy went to war. And she ignored the suffering of people whom she should have known empathy towards, who were going through the very same torment she experienced as a child. Because her position of superiority where peace is the only answer was so ingrained in her beliefs, because she was ARROGANT.
And because peace was the only answer, because she'd disavowed any sense of warrior culture from her people, Satine had as much a hand in dooming Mandalore as everyone who went in with the worst intentions. Does it matter that it was doomed regardless, because Maul was the great evil that came to destroy them? No. Maul was just the most convenient means to an end the resurrected Death Watch could find, but if not him it would have been anyone — anything – else.
I do feel for her. She had to experience her father's death so young and step into a role he'd left behind, didn't get a proper chance to grieve because she had to be strong for everyone else who was grieving. She gave up the possibility of love for duty. Satine was a good leader, I won't argue that, and she was the last stand between Mandalore and total annihilation, but she was also deeply flawed.
#narrator: and it was in fact a very long post#the star wars brainrot won't let me rest so im forcing people to percieve my takes#i love mandalore and it's complex history so much but i do not love all of the decisions taken by some people#i am not trying to hate on satine so don't come for me but looking at it from far away its just. really clear to me#the new mandalorians winning was dumb luck + the republic wanting a new puppet#star wars#true mandalorians#death watch#eza.txt#also looking too closely at these dates made me realize that my age hc for bo katan would make her 3 during the second civil war. oops#a thirteen year age difference between siblings isn't impossible though and it would also explain why bo was so strongly death watch#if you didn't personally experience it you wouldn't be able to see why you maybe shouldn't join the evil mando group!#satine kryze critical#sorry forgot people get angy too easily on this website lmao
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