#this post is about dc's legends of tomorrow

[knockoff-castiel]

the hardest part about having access to Netflix in your 2010s childhood is having to convince your friends to watch your favorite shitty CW show that you found during one of your formative years 

[angst-is-love-angst-is-life]

Kidnapping the Arrowverse leads and sending them all to therapy

[ao3statistics]

Date of creation: 27.03.2024

Includes all ships within the fandom "The Flash (TV 2014)" on Ao3.

Crossovers were included, other Flash media like comics, the movie (2023) etc. were excluded. The fandom "The Flash (TV 2014) RPF" on Ao3 was neither excluded nor included due to the results being too low to matter (below 10 hits most times).

This was originally done because of an anon ask I got but earlier today I answered the ask and then deleted the post because the numbers were completely screwed (I originally did this while watching a movie yesterday and... well). Luckily only seconds after me posting it someone reblogged the old post wondering about a certain ship on the chart that isn't even in the TV show and so I took the old chart down and remade it from scratch (which was a pain, ngl. I evaluated 77 ships because apparently I don't have a life). (I forgot your name, dear reblogger from earlier, but thank you!).

I assume no guarantee or liability for the completeness, correctness and accuracy of this chart despite my best efforts.

Includes fanfictions in all languages available, NOT English only.

Percentages were rounded up or rounded down to natural numbers for easier comprehension.

Poly ships were included.

More charts will follow. :)

Want to have a chart for different pairings, headcanons etc. in your favourite fandom? Send me an ask!

In case you want to compare the ship charts for "The Flash (TV 2014)" and "DC's Legends of Tomorrow":

[thatsnotmygunflash]

So I've been rewatching Legends of Tomorrow and can't stop think about the Tumblr accounts most of them would have.

Mona- She has at least 15 accounts if not more, each dedicated to a different fandom. She was the first to discover the reblog limit.

Mick - He has two accounts. The real Rebecca Silver and a secret fan page. The secret fan page is everyone's favorite fanfic author. ( I imagine he has Gideon help him upload his typed pages onto ao3)

Nate - The local lore enthusiast, if you have a question about history his ask box is always open, but he will go into long detailed rants with pictures and videos included every single time.

Charlie - it's just a compilation of rare celebrity sightings and old pictures being 'discovered' but it's just her shapeshifting into celebrities while on missions

Zari - she's on the celebrity side of Tumblr but she posts funny pictures of every mission and she and Mick collaborate on writing how the mission played out for their fans ( I imagine there is a fan-animated version of DC Legends of Tomorrow using their Tumblr post as script but its exactly the same as ours show just animated)

Ray- Do I really even have to say it? he IS the science side of Tumblr.

Gary- The creator of some of the most bizarre posts you'll ever see on the hellsite. He is loved and feared by all.

Len - The aesthetic could not be more on point. He is the elusive creator who disappeared one day without a word, never to return. If you wanted an on point character analyzation, you went to him. If you wanted the latest update on the superhero citing in your city, he was your man. If you wanted advice about something slightly illegal, he was your man.

[esperastra]

It’s been three weeks and I still have not sorted my feelings about Legends Con. So have this random, unorganized list of things that happened that I still remember (more under the cut):

Nick tried to flash (stood on a chair and pulled up his shirt) Tala and Maisie during their panel but no one noticed him in the back

On the other hand when Arthur showed up during Caity and Jes’ panel they immediately saw him and greeted him

Caity was asked what Sara’s safe word is at the Meet&Greet and her answer was “Chiquita Banana”

When asked who they would eat first on a deserted island, pretty much everyone immediately said “Dom”

Caity and Jes kept talking about doing a podcast and asking people for stuff to talk about. Jes suggested they should just do Stabcast but Caity said she doesn’t like True Crime (which fair, I don’t either lol)

Adam said Avalance’s kid is named Rose and that Gary would be a great babysitter but he definitely would lose her at some point

At the opening ceremony Caity was like “I think the last time I said I was getting married. And I did it. *shows her ring* And Jes had our baby!”

When talking about the hardest goodbyes, Caity being Caity forgot Dom left and wasn’t even in the final season. Her answer was Franz btw.

A kid asked Amy, Caity and Jes if they would rather jump in lava or drown in water if they had to die and Jes was like “How old are you? Where is your mother?!” lmao

Jes recited the condolence card from Meet The Legends to the best of her recollection and kept laughing

Arthur kept mentioning how weird it is that all these fans and the cast are in his hometown

I could listen to Maisie talk for hours, just wanted to throw that in here

Jes was talking about how beautiful the gold dress from 502 was and Caity replied with “Anything you wear is beautiful 🥰” before Amy chimed in that she is still looking for the video of Liv and Jes laughing at Matt falling off his chair that was mentioned earlier lol

When asked about a crack ship (Rishop = Rip/Bishop) Arthur went on to talk about how he loves fanfiction lol

When asked if Nick or Matt is the better kisser Tala said “Maisie”

Adam started singing I Will Always Love You (forgot why) and Maisie left him hanging by not joining in and just smiling/laughing

Poor Matt didn’t know about the Human Centipede but now he does

Jes came up with the pick up line “I can be your legend until tomorrow” and then was like “someone try this tonight at the bar!”

On the second day Adam brought a water pistol to the panel and used it on everyone who got up to ask a question

Adam was THE hype man all weekend. He kept starting “When I say DC you say Legends of Tomorrow” chants

The fandom organized a group gift to give each cast member a trophy of the Waverider. We were allowed to present it to them at the closing ceremony.

Nick was called “Brad Pitt” during the trophy ceremony and Adam being Adam stood up instead

Amy sang Future Favorite with one of the kids at the closing ceremony

Adam said something about how he doesn’t like being emotional in front of people and everyone started chanting “SHOW EMOTIONS”

By the end of the closing ceremony everyone was super emotional. Caity was too emotional to speak when it was her turn and started crying and Jes hugged her. She said “I miss you guys” to the cast and went back for another hug. Jes was like “stop the emotions. stop the emotions” in reference to the earlier chant

A small list of some of the things that happened to me personally. I won’t share it all in detail here though, for reasons:

When I got my solo photo op with Caity, she saw my Real Housewives Sara shirt and was like “That’s funny. Can I take a picture?” and then she posted it on her IG Story

Amy spoke German to me out of nowhere when she noticed my accent. She also called me back during our photo op to ask me how I was and if I slept alright.

Jes gave me this 🥺 look when I talked to her at the autograph table

Nick held my hand for like a minute which was super overwhelming especially cause I struggle with eye contact lol. He also kept lovingly teasing me the whole weekend.

Me and a bunch of people did the 709 costumes as cosplay and won ‘Best Group’. It was a lot of fun.

[longwuzhere]

Some cool Easter eggs I caught watching My Adventures with Superman that I want to show to people so they can be in on it with comic book readers: For the first episode's Easter eggs it's here

For the second episode's Easter eggs it's here

For the third episode's Easter eggs it's here

For the fourth episode's Easter eggs it's here

For the sixth episode's Easter eggs it's here

For the seventh episode's Easter eggs it's here and here

For the eighth episode's Easter eggs post it's here

For the ninth episode's Easter eggs post it's here

For the tenth episode's Easter eggs post it's here

My Easter eggs and references in My Adventures with Superman comic issue 1 post is here

My Easter eggs and references in My Adventures with Superman comic issue 2 post is here

My Easter eggs and references for My Adventures with Superman comic issue 3 post is here

SPOILERS if you haven't seen this week's episode obviously

We start off the episode with this shot of Superman with the drawn on glasses. A good homage to what Lois did in the 1980 Superman II movie...

where she not only drew the glasses but also a full suit and hat on a picture of Superman.

Next we see Jimmy waking up and seeing someone debunking his conspiracy theories on Sub-Diego.

Sub Diego was an actual place in the DC universe before the New 52 reboot. In Aquaman #15 and #16 (2003) , shown here (W: Will Pfeifer, P: Patrick Gleason, I: Christian Alamy, C: Nathan Eyring, L: Jared K. Fletcher for issue 15, Nick Napolitano for issue 16). The underwater city is actually San Diego, but is buried underwater thanks to a tidal wave and makes its first appearance in Aquaman #15 (2003). There was a lot of casualties from this.

When we get to our title its "You Will Believe A Man Can Lie" a reference to the tagline for the 1978 Superman movie.

As seen here on the poster, it says "You'll believe a man can fly".

Next we see our villain, well one of the villains, for the episode, Heatwave.

In the comics Heatwave makes his first appearance in Flash 140 (1963) (cover art by Carmine Infantino, Murphy Anderson, and Ira Schnapp). Heatwave aka Mick Rory is a Flash rogue usually acting as a rival to Captain Cold aka Leonard Snart. In MAwS, their Heatwave shares the same last name and powers, but MAwS Heatwave is gender flipped. You might have seen Heatwave in the CW DC comics shows where he is played by Dominic Purcell in The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow.

Lois, later in the episode, name drops Heatwave's name. Gotta be honest when Heatwave showed up I was like is that Rampage? Cuz the MAwS design looks vaguely like Rampage.

If she does show up in MAwS, I'll talk more about her in another post, but for now, Rampage aka Karen Lou "Kitty" Faulkner, makes her first appearance in Superman #7 (1987) (full page here: W&P: John Byrne, I: Karl Kesel, C: Tom Ziuko, L: John Costanza).

Steve drags Jimmy to film his debunking Flamebird videos and references Starro who I talked about here.

Lois, later runs around with the Daily Planet police scanner trying to catch Superman and the dispatcher reports that a robbery is in progress at McGuinness Luxe Garage.

This is a nice reference to Ed McGuinness who was the artist for Superman, Action Comics, and Superman/Batman in the early 2000s. If you've seen Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, then you'll know the movie takes inspiration from his character designs in the first arc of the Superman/Batman comic series. The Superman/Batman #1 (2003) cover here is done by Ed McGuinness, Dexter Vines, and Dave Stewart. I like Ed McGuinness's pencils, very stylized.

Heatwave name drops Livewire and the Gazzo mod family. Both of whom I've talked about here and here respectively

Heatwave has been running away from Deathstroke here who has been taking our her crew. Notice that Slade Wilson doesn't have the half black half orange helmet yet that almost every Deathstroke depiction always has.

He, Amanda Waller, and the General who I totally think is General Sam Lane, Lois's dad, are fans of DBZ cuz of the scouters they're wearing.

Later in the scene we see the General again he's totally General Sam Lane. I'll talk more about him when we get a double confirmation through a name drop/reveal in a later post calling Amanda Waller, Mandy. What a fucking bold thing to say to Waller! Like damn! power move right there!

Superman and Deathstroke are fighting under a highway and we see the traffic is heading to Bludhaven!

Very good reference to my favorite character in all of pop culture, Dick Grayson aka Nightwing. Nightwing makes Bludhaven his city to protect. The city makes its first appearance in Nightwing #1 (1996) (the panel here - W: Chuck Dixon, P: Scott McDaniel, I: Karl Story, C: Roberta Tewes, L: John Costanza). Fun Bludhaven fact, its crime rate is WORST than Gotham! Also HIGHLY recommend reading the new Nightwing run cuz its fucking amazing! Won a few Eisner Awards (think the Oscars but for comic books) recently and I am not just saying that because I am a Dick Grayson fan.

Near the end of the episode, we see Lois willing to jump off a building to prove that Clark is Superman. A lot of discourse was happening online over this, but I do want to say this is pretty on brand for her to do.

In Superman II, Lois does something similar and Clark saves her. its just in MAwS, Clark flies to save her thus ruining the secret identity, while in Superman II, Clark does save her but he is still able to get away with it thanks to him playing it more subtly.

Don't know why people we're in such a fucking fit over something that Lois has done before.

In the after credits scene, Jimmy, who planned a sasquatch finding adventure with Lois and Clark, but they were dealing with their shit and Jimmy was by himself, decides to do the finding on his own and meets a giant gorilla. In the first episode Jimmy mentions an intelligent gorilla in France and my guess is this is Monsieur Mallah. You can read more about him here. If you made it this far down, I appreciate you taking the time to check this post out and if you want to see my other MAwS Easter Eggs posts - Episode 1 is here

Episode 2 is here

Episode 3 is here

Episode 4 is here

Episode 6 is here

Episode 7 is here and here

Episode 8 is here

Episode 9 is here

Episode 10 is here

My Easter eggs and references in My Adventures with Superman comic issue 1 post is here

My Easter eggs and references in My Adventures with Superman comic issue 2 post is here

My Easter eggs and references for My Adventures with Superman comic issue 3 post is here

[dupert-writing]

What I would like to write about aka fandoms, characters and ships.

Info post here

I would prefer fanfiction requests with some prompts rather than just "this character and that character".

• Broadchurch

Practically every character and ship,. I would love to write about Alec Hardy because he is my beloved husband. Same as Paul Coates.

● Doctor Who

I've seen all seasons of New Who several times, and watched a bit of Classic Who. I can write about everything & everyone. My personal favorites are the 12th and 10th/14th Doctors, Clara, Rose and Mr. and Mrs. Pond.

● Good Omens

● DC

reader insert with non-romantic/sexual relationships with main characters is fine. Always happy to write Ineffable Husbands & other ships.

I would love to write Sofia Falcone x Reader (The Penguin) She's my wife. And John Constantine x Reader, because he's also my beloved husband. Also Gotham, Legends Of Tomorrow, and other things from DC universe. Ships & reader insert, I'm up for anything.

● Sandman

I would prefer the series over the comic, but I'm not picky. I love Dreamling, but I'm open to other ships as well as reader insert fics with various characters.

● Naruto

I'm up for everything. Gaara/Lee has a special place in my heart. And I love Kakashi.

● Supernatural

I believe in destiel supremacy, and I'd feel really weird writing any romantic or smutty reader insert fics with main characters. But I'm okay with everything else.

● Constantine x Reader (Keanu's Version)

Just that.

● Marble Hornets

● Spy Kids

every ship and character. Tim's my babygirl tho.

Don't judge me, ok?

What I'm not writing about under any circumstances:

I'd sooner stick a hot rod up my ass than write rpf unironically.

Harry Potter.

Sherlock.

Also, despite being a fan of media created by problematic individuals, I do not support or defend the behavior of Neil Gaiman, Warren Ellis, or others.

[fanhackers]

How do fans engage with the source material when there’s already canonical queer representation?

Rachel Marks looks at the fandoms for the DC Comics TV shows (like Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow), which have been including queer characters since 2014 when the characters Sara Lance and Nyssa al Ghul shared a kiss in Arrow. Read the whole article for free, which is in the newest issue of the open access journal, Transformative Works and Cultures: “Fan perspectives of queer representation in DC's Legends of Tomorrow on Tumblr and AO3.”

Marks finds:

Fans generally appreciate and care about queer representation in Legends, but they often overlook representation of people of color. For instance, pairings with characters of color get less attention.

Canon queer pairings get the most attention, but noncanonical pairings are still common.

“In sum, Legends fans show their appreciation for canon queer representation in television by frequently featuring canonically queer characters in their posts, highlighting the positive qualities of those characters and their relationships. Fans appreciate seeing multiple LGBT characters represented on television and get enjoyment out of seeing same-sex couples being couples on screen. However, this is not all they focus on when blogging or writing fic about their favorite characters or ships. Fans want to enjoy viewing canonically queer couples and queer characters on television, but they also want to enjoy alternative interpretations in which noncanonical ships are read for their subtextual elements. Fans simultaneously enjoy watching and creating content about a show that has canonical queer representation, while continuing the queer fan tradition of forming their own interpretations of queer characters and relationships.”

-Lianne, Fanhackers volunteer

[sophieinwonderland]

Speaking of your "plurality of..." series, DC has a straightforwardly plural character in the hero Firestorm. Most versions of the character have two "baseline" characters needing to combine to activate their powers, and being able to talk to each other while combined. It's also common for one to be in control of or an expert in actually using the powers, and the other having expertise needed to use the power to best effect.

(According to a compilation video, they've even done the headspace thing and the talking to a reflection thing in some of the animated stuff.)

Not as big as Batman, though, so no idea how that works into your outreach goals.

Firestorm is a really awesome character! I love these sorts of fusion based plural systems!

I am probably not going to do a post about Firestorm, but I'd love to see other people take it up if they are interested!

My host's main experience with the character came from the CW shows. He used to be an avid watcher of The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow.

As for outreach, I do sometimes do lesser known characters too. I think Firestorm would be a fine one as far as that goes.

The problem I would run into is just... What is the story? When I did the Batman one, it was Failsafe. One single six issue arc depicting Batman's plurality. And with a bonus story showing Zur's origin.

With Firestorm, I don't really know where I would even begin with that. Because plurality is such a big part of the character across its nearly 50-year history.

[avatarskywalker78]

Chapters: 1/1

Fandom: DC's Legends of Tomorrow

Rating: Teen and Up Audiences

Warning: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Relationships: Rex Tyler & Mick Rory, Rex Tyler & Gideon, Rex Tyler & Rip Hunter, Rex Tyler & Leonard Snart, Rex Tyler & Ronnie Raymond, Rex Tyler & Martin Stein, Rex Tyler & Sara Lance, Rex Tyler & Ray Palmer, Rex Tyler & Eobard Thawne

Characters: Rex Tyler, Mick Rory, Gideon (DC's Legends of Tomorrow), Rip Hunter, Leonard Snart, Ronnie Raymond, Martin Stein, Sara Lance, Ray Palmer, Eobard Thawne, Justice Society of America, Rogues (The Flash), Team Flash (The Flash TV 2014)

Additional Tags: Alternate Universe, Parallel Universes, Earth-4, Canonical Character Death, Temporary Character Death, Time-Travel Fix-It, Grief/Mourning, Guilt, Survivor Guilt, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Rex Tyler Lives, Canon-Typical Violence, Post-Season/Series 01, Male Friendship, Male-Female Friendship, Rex Tyler gets the chance to warn the Legends about the Legion, And goes through a hell of an emotional rollercoaster in the process, Angst, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Hopeful Ending

Series: Part 2 of legends of earth-4

Summary:

Rex Tyler wasn't sure what to make of the Legends when he first met them, but it didn't take long for them to become friends - which makes their murder at the hands of the Legion (mostly the Reverse-Flash) all the more devastating. Mick Rory sends him to 2016 to stop the chain of events leading up to this and Rex is determined to see this through no matter what.

But it's not easy to work with the people he's only just lost - especially when he knows that if (when) this plan succeeds, the best way to ensure this doesn't have any chance of happening again in the future...

Is if he never sees them again.

Tagging (because this is part of a series with an OC and very important background): @shrinkthisviolet @starstruckpurpledragon @negative-speedforce

[jaclynhyde]

the Shade for the thing?

You know what, I'll do one for comic and one for Stargirl Shade:

Comics!Shade: Sexuality Headcanon: Bi, but has some Issues being open about his interest in men due to the whole Oscar Wilde thing Gender Headcanon: Cis man A ship I have with said character: Jack/Shade OTP! Shade/pining after a straight Jay One-SidedTP! A BROTP I have with said character: Shade/all his special boys, including Jack if I'm not shipping them, but I'm especially fond of Shade & Mik. Mik is happy to kill him because he's not his friend like Jack is, but he still has coffee at his house! Where Shade goes: "Wow you're so dour now that your boyfriend died! Well I'm great, I'm in love," which is the most dickish thing to say and I love it. A NOTP I have with said character: Shade/H0pe. She's great by herself, but I am 0% interested in Shade's grand het relationship especially when so many of his post-Starman appearances heavily feature it. A random headcanon: Falls in love so much more frequently and easily than he admits. General Opinion over said character: One of my two favorite DC characters. His Silver Age appearances are goofy fun, and his Starman retcon makes him a fascinating, complex character who is also extremely hot. I want to see more of him except seeing more of C-list faves in comics is usually a death sentence or character assassination so.

Stargirl Shade: Sexuality Headcanon: Gay Gender Headcanon: Cis man (but I read a nice fic with trans male Shade so that's good too!) A ship I have with said character: Shade/McNider OTP!!! A BROTP I have with said character: Shade & Jenny have the most amazing dynamic. He's calling her a awful child while she's knitting sweaters to donate to a kitten orphanage. Also I love Shade adopting Barbara as his replacement sister so much and I'm so sad they didn't interact in season 3! A NOTP I have with said character: None, really? A random headcanon: He likes children and, deep down, is sad he can't have them (for so many reasons). Of course when he actually interacts with children he instantly becomes mortal enemies with most of them, but that's probably the case for most adults he interacts with. General Opinion over said character: He's so good!!!! I am still amazed by how well they adapted the heart of the character, and the changes they made all worked really well in the setting. I definitely want to see more of him and will forever mourn not getting to see his spin-off show, or him traipsing around with the Legends of Tomorrow, or marrying Dr. Mid-nite, or

[owl127]

New here and new to the rainbow community, I’ve heard of clexa, but who are the others, im looking for wlw shows and new ships. Will you help?

Welcome to the party !

There's a lot of cool wlw ships out there! Here's some of my favorites:

Korrasami is from Avatar the Legend of Korra, and it's a cartoon from Nickelodeon that aired from 20... Something something, until 2015, I think. Millennials out there remember! I totally recommend the show, though it has a teen vibe. You can find it on Netflix. It's not as explicit as it could be about the lesbian relationship because Nickelodeon was a total jerk back then.

Wayhaught is from Wynonna Earp, a show from SYFY (also on Netflix last time I checked), and it's completed! sci-fi demons meet cowboys, guns, and pew-pew! Not a kids show.

Okay, this one is wlw in fanfiction only, but it's worth mentioning: Supercorp (Supergirl on Netflix). The show is okay with LGBT representation, but Supercorp is not canon. Interesting show if you like the vibe! Amazing fandom, though 😏

Avatrice in Warrior Nun (Netflix, cancelled, but there's some hub hub going on for it to keep going somewhere else. If anyone have updates, please share). Nuns falling in love? End of the world angel/demons duels? Super-powerful-goofy-lesbian crushing on a super-skilled-ninja-nun? The tension! The jokes! The punches! the tension! (I mean sexual tension now)

CaitVi is from Arcane on Netflix. Amazing show; the direction and art is to die for. Really, it's a masterpiece. Story is good too. Slow burn though, and there's just one season out, so get ready!

Ellie x Dina in the last of us part 2 (PS4 game). I'm familiar with it, I ship it like crazy, so definitely worth the mention.

Bumbleby in RWBY (Rooster teeth - they have their own website). Are you into jock-bimbo/nerdy couples? Those girls are for you. And the fandom has a side of Whiterose, so lots of gayness around. Animation, teen focused, slow burn (literally 10 years and counting), but amazing fighting scenes.

Catradora is from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power on Netflix. Also teen vibes, but a really good animation show. Hybrid-cat-girl with a dark past plus chosen-bimbo-warrior with a darker past? Yeah, sign me up.

Other shows to consider: Killing Eve (drama), DC's legends of tomorrow (Avalance, super hero pew-pew - dig in if you like Supergirl)... People, help with more recs! (Please)

And if you like books... Oh boy, that deserves a post of its own! Lots of cool lesbian fantasy out there!

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Convergence: Prologue

by Thelastuser What if the DCEU and Arrowverse merged to create a new universe called Earth-Prime? What if this change was orchestrated by Lex Luthor? In this story, Lex embarks on a multiversal crusade to eliminate all Supermen. When he encounters the DCEU's Superman, he finds himself struggling to defeat him, unlike his previous opponents. The situation worsens when Wonder Woman and Batman get involved. Realizing that defeating this Superman is a lost cause, Lex escapes. As the Crisis unfolds, Lex when making himself a paragon, decides to force the heroes to become paragons as well. These heroes, who have never known about the multiverse, must now fight to protect it. Words: 1475, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Series: Part 1 of DC Universe Storylines Fandoms: Man of Steel (2013), Arrow (TV 2012), The Flash (TV 2014), Wonder Woman (Movies - Jenkins), Batman (Movies - Nolan), Supergirl (TV 2015), DC's Legends of Tomorrow (TV), Batwoman (TV 2019), DC Extended Universe, Justice League (2017) Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death Categories: F/F, F/M Characters: Oliver Queen, Barry Allen, Clark Kent, Lex Luthor, Kara Danvers, Bruce Wayne, Diana (Wonder Woman), Sara Lance, Alternate Earth Lex Luthor, J'onn J'onzz | Hank Henshaw, Ryan Choi, Earth-167 Clark Kent (CW DC TV Universe), Kate Kane, Lena Luthor, Hippolyta (Wonder Woman), Jor-El, Lara Lor-Van, Alex Danvers, Zor-El, Alura In-Ze | Alura Zor-El, Astra (Supergirl TV 2015), Thomas Wayne, Martha Wayne, Lionel Luthor, Henry Allen, Nora Allen, Antiope (Wonder Woman), Alfred Pennyworth Relationships: Clark Kent/Lois Lane, Barry Allen/Iris West, Oliver Queen/Felicity Smoak, Kara Danvers/Lena Luthor, Diana (Wonder Woman) & Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Crisis on Infinite Earths Crossover Event (CW DC TV Universe), Post-Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) via https://ift.tt/P5GMFzO

[constantineshots]

so, me being me and having to read everything and watch everything the man is in, just so i can form my own opinions on it, i went and watched seasons four through six of dc's legends of tomorrow. i saw the first season and some of the second when it was initially airing, but no john in that, so.

i don't think i could ever imagine someone other than matt ryan portraying john, and i think that's? pretty unanimous across the community. i don't think i've seen anyone be like "he's TERRIBLE for john constantine". i watched constantine when it was originally airing ( when i was just a little thirteen year old </3 i blame him for the way i turned out ), which took me down this rabbit hole, but this post is about legends, so here goes.

i think one of the things i didn't like was that john was on a team to begin with. once i got past that, i enjoyed a lot of the characters- like sara lance, who i loved to begin with from arrow and stuff, nate heywood, who just seems to be the guy everyone likes and this general force of positive, "roll with it" kind of energy that i liked and how he took things with stride but this isn't about him, charlie who is a punk rock fate with the coolest outfits and a mostly strong will and incredible defiance and when she left i was kicking and screaming but at least she is happy, and zari 1.0 who became my wife from the moment she started speaking which is partially probably the reason why i really did not like zari 2.0.

anyways, i really like the references to hellblazer, whether they were slim or not. for example, they mentioned the whole "killer" thing from his father. which brings me to the scene that made me like. cry a lot. genuine tears in my eyes. where john is at a bar, and his mother is on the other side of the counter and he went there just to see her. granted, he gets kicked out for trying to kick his dad so hard in the balls that he never has kids, but paradox, as zari so loveily explains ( sorry i am in love with her. it shattered my heart when she almost got married. nate's on thin ice, he's lucky i like him ). BUT THEN MY WIFE GOES AND GIVES HIM A PHOTO OF JOHN AND HIS MOM LOOKING HAPPY TOGETHER. what a lovely woman.

this post is meant to be about john, so forgive my tangents on zari, love of my life.

ANYWAY. there was this. i also particularly enjoyed john's insistence on wearing his own little outfit ( trenchcoat. tie. you know, his usual ) around all the time, throughout time periods, because he's a bit of a weirdo. either he has twenty of the same outfit or he doesn't shower. i am choosing the former. but they do have this moment that i found kind of heartwarming, where he puts on the camp counselor uniform for "the kids" he claims, but then literally within the first twenty minutes of the episode, he's back in his old attire and running around bullying people and hypnotizing children. seems to me he reverted back to his bullying kids self. then he gave his life force to save a kid, and almost died in the process. which he says something like "i'm not letting another kid die" as a reference to astra. i liked this, but seeing john in a camp counselor uniform made me go "whaaaaat".

when ray ended up in hell and john went to go get him, he comes to a choice of saving astra or ray and immediately, without hesitation, he chose astra. this decision doesn't seem to affect ray much later on though, and i am honestly not sure if he remembers it even though it showed both his spirit and young astra's, though it could have easily been some sort of illusion or whatever. honestly, i think he'd do it again. and i liked that there was this little anticipation where everyone is like "oh, he wouldn't, right? he wouldn't leave ray here." yes he would. and he did. even if it was only temporary.

there are references to his lung cancer, but in hellblazer, the man not only smokes after he's cured of his lung cancer through absolute deceit and gets revenge on gabriel afterwards, but he smokes during it, if i recall correctly. nothing could get that man to give up a cigarette. hell, there was a point in hellblazer where he was literally only going to save the world because there was going to be a lack of cigarette shipments if he didn't ( then, you know, everyone showed up and that changed ). which is why i think, even though it'd be great if this idiot stopped smoking, it was weird to have him stop smoking as a result and to have fucking zari 2.0 ( hm. i still really do not like her. i do not think i will be persuaded to like her. ) get him on a juice cleanse. you're going to sit there and tell me he was attracted to this girl who is a social media influencer BUT HE WASN'T ATTRACTED TO THE FIRST ZARI? fake. on his part. i just didn't see their relationship. i didn't like it. but then again, i don't really agree with most john ships. regardless. this one i really did not like.

then the ending of season six, i think they just wanted a way to get him off the show. i know he lost his magic, but the addiction, the fact he went cold turkey, then got? what? taken over by his "evil" subconcious and went and betrayed the legends, even though he's supposed to love zari 2.0 soooo much? yeah, no. i mean, john does do what benefits him, but i don't think he would have so readily injected something into his veins from a guy he knew was not a good guy and would definitely do something to get him out of commission without some sort of backup plan to save himself and scam the other guy, because that's what he does. show me his reputation, because this isn't all it is, heartless betrayals after confessing his love to some random social media influencer. then he became a mushroom, then he died, then he came back, then he ran off and? didn't even go back to his own time? so i don't really know what happened to him or where he ran off to. i am quite honestly so fucking confused about his send off.

anyways, if you don't focus on characterization too much, it's an enjoyable show, and while it's fun, it's really fucking confusing and i'm still not sure i'm quite understanding the plot in it's entirely because honestly that show felt like i was smoking something without actually smoking it. if that makes any sense to anyone.