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not gonna go in depth on my feelings about the finale right now... i'm just so happy for cabby!! :)
#dandy's doodles#inanimate insanity#ii#ii cabby#battle for dream island#bfdi#bfdi flower#ii spoilers#girls who have character arcs and win <3 love them#i think i'll only be able to truly appreciate the finale when i'm able to comprehend the antagonists' motives. like what are they doing#it could be the most beautiful finale ever for all i know but i genuinely do not understand a good 70% of the conflict here#(it probably isn't a good thing when you have to rewatch the whole season to understand a huge plot point in the finale...#...or maybe i'm just dumb and didn't pick up on something obvious :P)#hello clover is the 'green goddess'??? hello
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something really refreshing about house of anubis is that despite a main plot point of the show throughout all three seasons being eternal youth, itās never a woman whoās obsessed with it. the only characters that are actually super fixated on the idea of eternal youth and beauty are male.
#like yeah we have female antagonists but their motives were never about that#you can kinda argue daphne andrews ig but lbr she didnāt actually care that much about the elixir#and senkhara was already dead so she was preoccupied with power#and vera just wanted money#and caroline also wanted glory soā¦#a nice win on the part of HOA that no woman was ever the one lusting after eternal youth#house of anubis
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#dbtag#silly hours#god#I feel like that's a really clear and consistent thing throughout the entirety of the manga but OTL leave it to Toei!!!!#lays on the floor I wish people were less afraid of letting āgood guysā be flawed and selfish and reckless without having to like.#idk vilify them?#like Goku does and always has had a ton of negative qualities about him but what keeps him a protag and what keeps those negatives charming#is that 1) he never promises to be anything Else. If you're upset by his behavior that's a you problem Goku's just doing Goku#He's only upset when Other People get hurt because 2) almost none of those negative qualities contain any malice whatsoever#even as a kid when he was 'i killed that guy' it was like 'i solved a problem why are you mad (gen)' not 'good fucking riddance lol'#and he kept that as an adult too even when he learned more about compassion he's still 'well if you're not gonna stop i have to kill you'#it's never 'fuck off and die' it's always 'listen buddy either you knock it off or i knock you out there is no option c '#and god i love that Goku. I spent so long thinking I hated Goku growing up but I only hated Toei's Goku. Toriyama's Goku is GREAT.#like look if an antagonist is just a hero with the wrong perspective a hero is just a villain with the right one#and the fact that Goku has all of the qualities of a villain with none of the malice or intention makes him SO POWERFUL as a character#Goku doesn't like bystanders getting hurt. That doesn't make him less chaotic and self-centered and simplistic in his worldview.#A hero sacrifices his loved ones to save the world -- a villain sacrifices the world to save his loved ones --#Goku sacrifices himself because you cannot kill him in any way that matters#idskahds anyway here's another essay in the tags for your wednesday evening scroll#the justification the interviewer gave was that the anime was for kids but my beef with that is that Hero Tropes strip chaotic characters#of their emotions. Goku's conflicts are emotional. Goku's power is emotional. Goku's childlikeness keep him authentically emotional.#MORE kids -- ESPECIALLY little boys -- deserve a male protagonist who leans into his emotions to persevere and win.#Super deciding his āangelic stateā would kill him makes me want to tear my hair out lmao Goku's EMOTIONS are too strong to hold it.#you could've just asked toriyama about it why'd you decide on the most basic high-stakes shorthand possible OTL#aNYWAY#media analysis#in the tags at least lol
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Why all 'Mr.Seo' in homoerotic antagonistic Kdrama are like this
Hot š„
Tall
Rich
Bad
Scary
Crazy
Babygirl (yup, babygirlify unhinged men is my thingš)
Gay
In suspicious, questionable relationship with some little guy who's also unhinged just like them
#strangers from hell#seo moonjo#psychopath diary#seo inwoo#evilive#seo do young#mjjw#inwoo x dongsik#dyds#who will win in a fight? the two psychopaths have the bigger brains but doyoung is a freaking beast so...#doyoung is the tallest and he has a middle-aged man as his sugar baby so this man is pretty unique lol#i might be a lil biased but evilive ended just a week ago š#homoerotic antagonism#my fav genre of kdrama#secret forest#good or bad dong jae#seo dong jae#hwang si mok x seo dongjae#they aren't checked all the list but they're still homoerotic antagonistic#hot and tall and bad seo dongjae and his little unhinged man hwang simok? 10/10
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Yukio Oikawa Appreciation Post
Adore this guy's design. Perfect blend of "criminal mastermind" and "the literal living dead" (a vampire to be precise).
#Digimon#Digimon Adventure 02#anime#Yukio Oikawa#awesome#badass#creepy#compelling#epic#evil#psycho#scary#criminal#vampire#antagonist#awful man#magnificent bastard#scary as hell#tragic villain#great villain#design#opinion#nostalgia#epic win
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Hottest JJBA Outfit Bracket - Round 2 Match 26
#ohhhh this one is hard because they both have vibes i like but completely opposite#shit im sorry johnny i think im more into the goth vibe#the straps on mr robinsons chest slay so hard i can't ignore that#i know johnny's probably gonna win anyway but i have to vote for mrs robinson they slay way too hard for a secondary antagonist#johnny joestar#jjba mrs robinson#steel ball run#jojo no kimyou na bouken#jjba#jojo's bizarre adventure#who's hotter jjba#hottest jjba outfit bracket
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BIG BSD WINS TODAY: the daughters x2 finally returned, Kenji and Tecchou friendship is real and true, ATSUSHI AND FYODOR FINALLY MET AFTER 118 FUCKING CHAPTERS, and most importantly of all, WE ARE INCEST FREE BABEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
#bungou stray dogs#bsd spoilers#bsd 118#still in the depressed trenches after bram so like literally anything good i'll take as a win#the fact that we got 2 more deaths this chapter and yet i'm STILL overjoyed by the stuff around them lmaooooooooo šš#THE GIRLS ARE BAAAAAAAACK#TECCHOU LOVES KENJI NOW IM WEEPING#THAT'S HIS LITTLE BRO AND THEY'RE GONNA BE THE BESTEST OF BUDS ONCE THIS IS ALL OVER!!!!!!!!!!#AND THE MC FINALLY MET THE MAIN ANTAGONIST#FYODOR DEFINITELY WANTS HIM ALIVE BC OF THE BOOK#ARE WE FINALLY GETTING ATSUSHI LORE CRUMBS???????? PLEASE GOD I NEED IT MORE THAN ANYHTINGGGGGGG#PLEASE LET THEIR CONVERSATION CONTINUE NEXT CHAPTER /PLEASE/
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Season two's overall treatment of Caleb, and the last minute addition of how much he covets honesty, makes me wonder what an actual antagonist/villain Caleb would play out like.
Because an honest antagonist sounds like such a fun deviation from the norm. You very rarely see a villain who doesn't have to lie/cheat/manipulate their way through their respective plots, so having a guy who's so dead set on honouring his moral code to the point that it's detrimental to his relationships (and also potentially his place in the competition) would be a fun alley of thought to go down.
At the end of the day, the only thing that differentiates a total drama 'antagonist' from any other competitor is their ability to generate conflict and have others eliminated. Caleb's already shown a penchant for conflict generation through his poor communication skills (Priyaleb miscommunication plot, pretty much every interaction he has in s2e11) and tendency to prioritise his place in the competition (the deal he makes with Julia in s2e10), so it wouldn't be too hard for him to turn the tables on someone and have them eliminated.
I'm thinking something along the lines of him sparking a rivalry between himself and someone like Julia, then having them wager their votes/safety on a challenge or bet, which ultimately leads to the other being voted out without Caleb having to do anything dishonest or underhanded. Sticking by his deep-rooted morality whilst also tilting the game in his favour.
Because I think an antagonist who's threatening just by value of being good at the game is a lot scarier than someone who succeeds through trickery and subterfuge. He's playing by the rules, he's just playing better.
#I guess what I'm trying to say is: they shouldn't've portrayed him as the ābad guyā if they didn't want to COMMIT to it.#Plus if he was also an antagonistic force Wayne's win would feel more justified.#Also a good oppertunity to have Caleb angst where he has to choose between Priya and Winning and chooses the latter. āBetrayingā Priya--#but being completely open and honest about the how and why so she can't even be that mad at him; she knew the risks of romance on TD.#total drama#td2023#td caleb#silly ideas#silly thoughts#kinda drafty in here (posts from the drafts)#Looking through my drafts this is from JANUARY.
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It's really odd to see how many people actually disagree with how the finals ended in Alien Stage, because I actually think it's perfect??
Til is my favorite character but I think his arc is strongest if he died here. The fact it's so unfinished and has so much build up with little to no true end - that's the tragedy of it. It's the tragedy that has followed til literally his entire life. Til was never given the tools to imagine a happy ending for himself, and frankly it seems like no one ever had any intention of letting him or any other human have one. For him to never make it past that, to never find his place, just drives home how unfair alien stage really is. How sacrifice doesn't guarantee your loved ones live or even that your struggles will even be remembered in any meaningful way. Alien stage has always been very upfront about the fact only one will win and by the rules probably survive, and I feel like the more it strays from that diminishes the brutality of the very concept they're criticizing. For them to pull any punches on the finale of all levels would feel narratively weak, personally.
But before this episode even aired, we all knew Til had absolutely no chance. From a purely musical standpoint, maybe. But he's literally so emotionally damaged and they put him in the ring with a guy that gets off to impersonating peoples dead loved ones. Even if he wasn't drugged and even if it wasn't implied to have happened directly after the last match he'd be doomed. Lukas literally is out here playing and getting his freak on about making people die miserably Til is literally the least qualified out of ALL of the contestants to deal with that absolute menace. He was always going to lose, even if they faced eachother in the first round.
From an emotional standpoint I will riot and cry and throw up if he's dead but from a purely writing perspective? It's solid as hell. I literally cannot imagine a more tragic and symbolic way for him to live Or die than right now.
But luka when I catch you Luka. Luka. Luka when I catch you Luka
#I also love Luka as an antagonist but GOD he's terrible#Ohmygod#alien stage spoilers#alien stage#obvs no interpretation is incorrect ppl aren't wrong for not liking it#but I just found it really interesting no one considered it a strong decision#I mean this in the most comical way possible#but we were expecting him to live??? til?? TIL?#the most unstable mf in the Entire Series#when dead hands theater kid trapped in the body of a 30 year old exists#the dude who poses like fucking hisoka when he makes ppl sad?? the guy who's more unstable than that??#we think he's gonna live??? him????#this man had the blood of his friend that Choked Him still on his Pants#he's not winning shit#again I love til he's my fav character#But he's literally the most outwardly doomed by the narrative character#in a series dedicated to killing people#we thought they were gonna pull an owo whats this and let the most easy to kill dude live#when they primed him this entire time to make his death as sad as possible#nah they're pouncing on this oppertunity like a freaking college student slams back a monster
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This interview with Drew Holmes, now the IP Director of the Far Cry franchise, is two months old and I havenāt talked about it yet, but there are a few things he says that I really like and think (hope) bode well for the future of the series!
Like what he said during the 20th Anniversary livestream, the article confirms theyāre aware many fans love the villains, but whatās even more interesting is that it suggests they know some people would like to have the possibility to side with the antagonists. This has never been an option (except in New Dawn, sort of) but we know itās an idea theyāve been considering at least since Far Cry 4. When I read,
āSome players may see that the villains are going too far, but also see their point, and think: āIf I work with them, I can make them see the error of their ways and change them.āā
or,
In continuing to fight the antagonist, all the woes of the world are not resolved; and in joining them, society does not collapse. āDefeating the bad guy may seem like the thing that you shouldāve done,ā he continues, ābut what are the things that youāve done along the way to get here? And if you joined the bad guy, is there a glimmer of hope? What happened to the people you met along the way?ā
it makes me think they might seriously consider finally letting us join the villain(s) in a future game. As he implies, making such a choice would surely have big repercussions on the story and characters, but itās part of the reason I would love to have this possibility. Iāve never seen that in any other game Iāve played, and I think it would be a bold and interesting decision if it became an option.
I like this as well:
Drew mentions that [Far Cry 3] holds a mirror to the player and asks: āLook at the things youāve done. What do your actions say about what you value?āĀ
Itās pretty much what Jeffrey Yohalem (Lead Writer) and Dan Hay (Executive Producer and basically Drew Holmesā predecessor as head of the brand) said about Far Cry 3 at the time (for example here), so seeing that theyāre all on the same page is great. Of course, youād expect an IP Director to have a good knowledge and understanding of the franchise, but since Iāve already seen Far Cry 3 devs completely contradict each other in interviews, that wasnāt guaranteedā¦ At least, and even though he wasnāt even working at Ubisoft when the game was released, Iām glad he knows what heās talking about!
I also really like the parts about how Far Cry games are supposed to make players feel uneasy or are really about how far someone (protagonist or antagonist) is willing to go for what they consider right because what seems āmoralā can change depending on the situation weāre in, and everyone, in very specific and extreme circumstances, can potentially ābecome the jungleā that initially looked so scary and foreign to them.
Usually, in Far Cry, the charactersā motivations are clear, and even if we rarely agree with what they do, we can almost always understand why they do it and even have sympathy for them. As he concludes:
āWhen we help each other, what is the reason behind it? When we hurt each other, what is the reason behind it?ā
These questions have implicitly been asked many times in the series, but no clear answer has been provided because, as the interview explains, Far Cry games are supposed to āevoke feelings and make space for introspectionā. In the end, only we, players, by experiencing the stories and meeting the characters, can find out who we truly are.
In my opinion, it appears the franchise is in good hands, and for now, I have hope for the future :)
#drew holmes#please donāt disappoint me#also give me many choices in the games#it seems you want to do it so donāt be shy#if they ever let us side with antagonists I think would do it just because I can and want to see what happens#who follows you? who becomes your enemy? is this how you win? at what cost? can we actually 'fix him'? fascinating!#far cry 3#jeffrey yohalem#I should finish that post about that other fc3/fc4 dev saying the opposite of what JY explained about fc3#also what the fc6 dlc scriptwriter said about vaas is the contrary of what he revealed about the character so yeah#Iām not kidding when I say devs contradict each other sometimes...#dan hay#I like what he did with the series and I hope heās doing well now whatever heās working on#far cry 4#far cry 5#far cry 6#far cry new dawn
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my best friend described thorin as the antagonist in the hobbit (movies - specifically the first one) and honestly i wonder why i hadn't thought of that before
#her claim is that thorin spends a lot of time being mean to bilbo (the protagonist) by deeming him not enough and generally excluding him#when the teacher asked her what word first pops up in her mind when thinking about the movies (specifically the first) she said āinadequacyā#because that's what bilbo felt / was made to feel by thorin#and thinking of it it's true - despite thorin later apologizing#and thinking of the book thorin can be considered an antagonist there too#he canonically becomes that for some time near the end when bilbo (the main protagonist) sides with the elvenking#although we could argue about that but i'm eepy#also in the book thorin doesn't explicitly suffer from dragon sickness so he's just being a dick#although we could argue about that too but... eepyness is winning#the hobbit#thorin oakenshield#bilbo baggins
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ravenwing.
#ravenwing#warrior cats#warriors#wc#mapleshades vengeance#teeniest littlest guy around makes a horrible and somewhat malicious decision with severe consequences#i kinda like ravenwing as a side character idk i think he sucks but a bird name is a win in my book unless you're crowfeather#also i like seeing a medcat be strict/antagonistic with their omens and power in the clan cause we get surprisingly little of that#definitely in the middle of the frecklewish ravenwing appledusk ranking
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YOU think MK is a selfless forgiving good boi mc. I think he's self-centered, but that doesn't devalue the good deeds that happen as a result. We are not the same
#like to me. everything for MK is motivated by himself like#Protecting the city? That's what a good hero would do#And he wants to be a good hero and to protect *his* friends#Crying in 2x10? It's more about him failing as a hero/successor than it is about the innocent people in danger#to me anyways#Like any time he's ''seeing the good'' or ''forgiving'' an antagonist it is literally just him like#Saying the things he wants to hear/believe#Like#If Macaque isn't a bad guy then he can help and if he can help then maybe we can win#It's about the personal reassurance#Like. ''Forgiving'' DBK? Well that's easy. If DBK is a ''good guy'' now then he's not a problem for MK to deal with#And MK fucking LOVES not having to deal problems#Like it's easier for him to just ignore past history than it is to deal with it#4x14 is the ultimate example of this for me like#MK see's that Azure's crying and is then willing to be all like#''You still can. You're the only one who can'' to try and help#And it's like. Sure. MK doesn't *not* want to save/help Azure#But at the same time#Wukong was able to stop him so easily. In contrast to samadhi fire Mei where MK ran directly into the fire#Like the moment MK sees himself in you it's over okay#He's gonna be like ''you're just like me'' and self-centered about it#And it worked for like#Mei and Macaque and Azure#But it didn't work for Spider Queen#you know#lego monkie kid#lmk#lmk MK#lmk rant#For the love of god stop making MK Steven
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bc im genuinely curious
iāll do a part 2 with whoever didnāt make it onto this one ig?? and then iāll take the top least favorite from each one and put them against each other š
reblog for traction i want as many people to see this as possible
EDIT: GUYS PLEASE DO PART 2 TOO š this poll has like double the votes of part 2
#i already have a feeling a certain someone is gonna sweep overall šš but iām curious who else people donāt like#hypmic#hypnosis mic#poll#iām not including the ladies bc theyāre already somewhat antagonists and iām afraid iād get pissed if everyone voted for them#EXCEPT for honobono sheād deserve it but sheād also win in a heartbeat bc everyone rightfully hates her#so not including her either
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sighā¦ every time an irredeemable antagonist gets uwuified or romanticized an angel loses its wingsā¦ i canāt keep doin this shit no more
give me the character you have lost your priveleges
#yapping#this is about every antag i love btw. every single one. bc it happens to all of them#ābut they-ā I DONāT CARE ABOUT THEIR TRAGIC BACKSTORY!!!!! MF THEYāRE EVIL!!!#āredemption arc when-ā NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO AWAY!!!!!#you can never win#you can have a multi-faceted complex evil character without trying to make them palatable I PROMISE#either ppl canāt even begin to enjoy an antagonist as a character & believe that if you do youāre some kind of horrible person#OR THIS!!!!!#at least the people who hate antags have the basal understanding they're horroble thoughā¦ like +1 point for the common sense on that front#iām gonna start hitting people upside the head with a ruler
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The Morty and Brad dynamic is something that can be sooo good (outside of just romance).
Brad has shown that he has his own protective streak when it comes to people he cares about. Itās shown both in the show and the comics that when people mess with anyone heās āin charge ofā keeping safe (we see Brad rush to defend Jessica multiple times, heās ready to gun down Rick when he rushes on stage to Beth) he immediately jumps in on the defensive. This even applies to himself, ready and willing to fight people who he perceives as a threat or disrespecting him (Lincler). Heās not afraid to say exactly why heās doing it either, however emotional or logical.
I think itād be a reflection of Rickās dynamic with Morty to an extent; stepping in to protect Morty when it counts, thoroughly dominating the oppressive force. To differentiate their dynamic however, in contrast Brad is more willing to show and express his caring outright. For ex: Brad had no problem interjecting in Mortyās attempt to ask Jessica to the dance.
This is his girlfriend, who he is taking to the dance, and is the prettiest girl at their school. She is the best, and what heās allowed to have as a popular successful athlete. He has a very cut and dry adherence to social hierarchy, even controlling aspects of it, and he doesnāt believe he deserves anything above or below that because it would contradict the role heās supposed to be filling.
However shallow that is, combined with Bradās willingness to do what it takes to protect his own people, himself, and make it obvious why heās doing it, a friendship with Morty would be very fulfilling (mostly for Morty). To be friends with Brad would mean that Morty is doing something right to be in his circle, and what would come with that is Bradās loyalty. Someone who would make it obvious why theyāre defending him, why he deserves to be in their circle, and why messing with him means messing with them.
Itās a much more obviously caring relationship than Morty would be used to. Morty wouldnāt have to spend time questioning whether or not Brad actually cares or likes him, weāve seen how blunt the guy can be, without any shame. Brad has an unshakeable confidence about him that canāt be easily swayed, so questioning why heād pick Morty would get you an earful. Thatās exactly the kind of relationship Morty needs when his family is as toxic and uncertain as they are, while his love life is literally all over the place.
More than anything, Morty needs to have a friend.
#rick and morty#morty smith#brad rick and morty#brad.txt#morty.txt#spaceballs.luv#putting the ship tag here cause fuck it#I donāt really get into it here but Iāve mentioned it a couple times#Morty is severely lacking options when it comes to male companionship#let him have something good for once#s7e7 showed Brad and Mortyās dynamic is now non antagonistic and even positive#let him win
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