#tertiary stances

[jamiieeez]

Relationshipstances for emotional, physical and tertiary relationships

emotional relationship

positive | indifferent | repulsed

averse | ambivalent | oscillating

physical relationship

positive | indifferent | repulsed

averse | ambivalent | oscillating

tertiary relationship

positive | indifferent | repulsed

averse | ambivalent | oscillating

Here are my posts to the aemotional flags[link], aphysical flags[link] and atertiary flags[link].

[stardust-falling]

Hi! I keep seeing ppl debating if SQQ's eyes are canonically green or black. What do you think? Somebody said SQQ's eyes are green in the cover, but if you think otherwise, why? If you've discussed about this before in your page, may I see the link?

Hey! I posted this one on my meta blog (this might be what actually stirred up the discussion), but I still need to update the post there to include the timeline and all relevant information provided by various commenters.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and give a little summary here.

SQQ has black eyes in the novel, and they're explicitly described that way (黑， 乌黑 specifically, color words meaning black and crow-black (like jet black)).

This means that a depiction of SQQ with green eyes is contrary to novel canon.

At some point, people on the wiki said his eyes were described as 青 (qing）which is turquoise green/blue. I'm not exactly sure where this came from, but one very, very loose potential for this could be a misreading of the following description: 眉清目秀 which is used to describe the appearance of a young SJ. It's possible, perhaps, that the character 清 (clear) here was accidentally misread as 青 （green/blue) but i don't think that's a particularly easy misreading, especially since in that phrase the 清 is linked to 眉 （brows) instead of 目（eyes). But anything is possible, and this is the only place in the novel I could find reference to "clear eyes" in regards to SQQ, and the only potential way this misreading could have basis in the novel. Either way, his eyes are never described as 青, so that's an incorrect assumption.

So, the only thing I really consider canon proper is the novel itself, but that's my own stance. A wider stance would be considering the novel as primary canon, while the donghua/manhua are secondary canon, and things like official art could be tertiary canon. In this framework, details included in the donghua that aren't in the novel but aren't contradicted by it would also be considered wider canon and fill in those gaps, while things that contradict the novel would be canon as well, but specifically alternate, donghua canon. The same would apply to official art-- if it doesn't contradict the donghua or novel, it fills the gap, otherwise it's another kind of alternate canon.

Under this wider system, then Shen Qingqiu's canon eye color would go this way:

Primary canon - Black eyes Secondary Canon - Grey Eyes Tertiary Canon - Black, Grey, or Green Eyes

So depending on what you consider canon, then the answer can change-- but in my opinion, the novel overrides other sources.

Okay, so let's go into the secondary and tertiary canons, then. On the post on my meta blog that I linked earlier, in the replies and reblogs, there are some references about the evolution of SQQ's character design in donghua and fanart, so I'll leave those explanations to speak for themselves.

Let me talk a bit about the official art, then.

Though the English edition has the most vivid green eyes in character design, it is NOT the only cover art with green-eyed SQQ!

Across translations, he is depicted with varying black, grey, or green eyes, as follows (using purple color for grey since tumblr doesn't have a grey color):

Taiwanese (OG) - Black Taiwanese (Revamped) - Darker green, occasionally darker grey (some variety here) Thai - Lighter grey Vietnamese - Black Burmese - Medium grey or dull green (again, some variety) Korean - Black, but may vary to grey or very dull green (resolution not high enough to tell)

And then of course the vivid green of the English edition.

So when it comes to official art, it's basically evenly split, with three black, three grey, three green (counting the ones that vary).

Green-eyed SQQ is not exclusively a western fandom thing. I mean, on some levels, it makes sense for character design-- matching his eyes to his clothing color.

Personally, I wouldn't call it canon. And I think if anyone does want to claim it's canon (via the tiered system), that it would be a good idea to preface that you're going off of alternate canon instead of novel canon, so that it's not used as an argument when the discussion is specifically centered on novel canon.

There is a level of canonicity to either green-eyed or grey-eyed SQQ, but such depictions still contradict the novel, even if supported by other mediums, since his eyes are specifically described as black there.

I guess, it depends on how you want to define canon at the end of the day. I'm not here to tell other people how to play in their own sandboxes, I just personally like to play in novel canon only so that's my stance on it.

Hope this is the sort of info you wanted!

[lucathewyrm]

new account yall🤦🏽

🪼non-human ; im not part of a species per se, since im a unibeing, but i am a sirenic, chameleonic, wingless dragon or drake, a reality guard, immortal, roughly the size of a horse, i have webbed claws, a mermaid-like tail, 3 eyes, 4 legs, 6 horns (seawing, bull, and ram). I dont breathe fire but I do have a siren song.

🪼heart home ; indonesia primarily but florida as well

DNI:

radqueers (transracial, transable/transdisability, factkin, and harmful paraphiles and their supporters

bigots of any kind including transmeds, anti-neos/xenic, and misgendering of any kind (including using they/them on those who do not go by they/them)

anti-nonhuman/transspecies

🌹preferred terms ; Mx, Ser, king, princex, bro, sib, AFAB, transmasc, he/him, xey/xem, mist/mists. DO NOT call me pretty/ugly/beautiful/hideous or any other superficial comments on my appearance. DO NOT call me a beast or monster unless you are one yourself

🌹romantic and sexual orientations ; black stripe asexual, fateestherromantic, uranicromantic, lovestruck monogamous

🌹romance and sex stances ; sex averse, sex repulsed, romance favorable

🌹tertiary attraction ; friendless aplatonic, apothiaesthetic, afamilial, analterous, aqueerplatonic, unisensual, and probably aspec in all other tertiary attraction

🌹genders: bigenderflux ; neoxnymboy and nascigender, kingender

🌴favorite goth artists ; the shroud, sad lovers and giants, mareux, sanguis et cinis, the frozen autumn, mystic priestess

🌴favorite other artists ; billie eilish, rob zombie, lana del rey, three days grace, cigarettes after sex, mitski

okay ill probably have to remake some of my posts from my old account, including coining posts for orientations. content is the same: nonhumanity, queer stuff, witchcraft, veganism, and astral projection

[sagescented]

Not me going on a whole rant about how, traditionally, modern Sci-Fi that includes an active military power has typically been a genre where the Military is the antagonistic force against a group of Anti-Hero mains they're trying to destroy ...

And that Stargate SG1 never really reached the cult status it deserves because no one really wants a covert commentary on the US Military Industrial Complex and what happens when you allow the military to be in charge of Extraterrestrial power and technology ...

Especially in a show that's much closer to Star Trek in nature, where the baseline, or core mandate of the show, is ultimately to explore strange new worlds- a subgenre of Sci-Fi in which Stargate SG1 ultimately broke all known rules and tropes of the time, as established by Star Trek ...

And how it's not really until Stargate Atlantis that it kind of stops feeling so much like a military show (but not really)- but by then its reputation was already waning, and didn't have enough drive or compulsion to hold onto the power it once did.

ETA: Actually, you know what? I'm not done. Stargate SG1 actually does fall in line with the "Military is the traditional antagonistic force against an Anti-Hero group of mains" trope prevalent in Sci-Fi. It just does it in an untraditional manner.

To understand that, you have to understand that SG1 is built around 3 primary conflicts: The SGC against the Goa'uld (Primary). The SCG and the Asgard against the Replicators (Tertiary). And The SGC against the US Government (Secondary).

Throughout the whole course of the show, it is made abundantly clear that the SGC is a military program at its core, whose core mandate has become "to seek out alien technology to aid Humanity in the fight against the Goa'uld". However, it is also made clear that the SGC is doing so in significant opposition against its own military and Government. Particularly because General Hammond, Dr. Frasier, and the members of SG1 specifically, are all morally upstanding individuals who are unwilling to compromise on the morals and ethics of interacting with Alien cultures in order to fulfil the SCG's core mandate.

This is in direct contrast to the Military and Government, who are repeatedly shown as willing to do "whatever it takes" to obtain said technology- up to and including running illegal operations, backstabbing, murder, theft, blackmail, and more; many actions of which has been carried out explicitly against the SGC specifically. In fact, they've intentionally tried to shut down the SGC multiple times, because the SGC, under Hammond, wouldn't cooperate with the way they wanted things done.

Teal'c's whole thing is literally a Warrior's Honor. Major Carter is almost always a rational voice for the group. Daniel is moral and ethical to the point of straight up being freaking obnoxious at times- and even gets kicked out of being an Ascended because of it. And while Colonel O'Neill certainly has his selfish moments, he always eventually does the right thing. Hammond is a fair leader who listens to the people beneath him, praises them, and generally takes the ethical stance to the point they literally had to blackmail him to get someone "more sympathetic" to their mandate into his position, because he puts ethics above the mandate to acquire technology.

So even though the show largely consists of semi-detached episodes that show the SGC (and SG1 in particular) traveling to other planets and interacting with Alien cultures a la Star Trek style ... And even though it's based around a military premise- which is highly unusual in that genre ... It still actually does maintain the traditional trope of the military as an antagonistic force. And in doing so kind of gives a rather scathing criticism of the government and military.

And I think that non-traditional blending of these two genres and tropes is part of what makes Stargate SG1 so great.

[asanjou]

i ended up reading an old "which extra rider feels more like the secondary than the actual secondary" thread (one of r/kamenrider's top 5 topics to rehash every fucking week) and while my stance on this remains that primary/secondary/tertiary titles are primarily a marketing gimmick and it's a waste of time to get into arguments about this especially for series that get more experimental with the format or change focus halfway through. i do have to say To the people saying sasword/thebee/drake WHAT ARE YOU DOIIIING LIKE DRAKE????? YOU THINK DAISUKE IS MORE IMPORTANT TO THE PLOT OF KABUTO THAN KAGAMI?? GIRL BE SERIOUS

[allegoriesandepithets]

Large Pixel Size Stripe A- Flags

[PT: Large Pixel Size Stripe A- Flags]

Black Stripe Ace ~ Green Stripe Aro

Stripe Apl ~ Stripe Aqp

Stripe Analt ~ Stripe Asen ~ Stripe Anae

Definition: One with a complete lack of [attraction type] attraction; feeling absolutely zero amount of [attraction type] attraction; being strictly a- [attraction type]. It is inclusive of those with any [attraction type] drive, as well as those of any [attraction type] interaction stance.

All flags are 3000x2000 pixels.

@tertiary-attraction-archive @radiomogai @liom-archive @imoga-pride

[degengxrl]

hello! i saw you stated in a comment that you were aplatonic, and i have heard of the term but i'm not sure if i completely understand. is platonic attraction didferent than just having friends? so sorry if i'm being rude, i'd just like to know more if you'd want to explain. thank you!

-fellow aroace :)

not rude, completely understandable aplatonicism is a form of tertiary aspecness and basically means you dont experience platonic attraction tho that doesnt necissarily mean that you wont have friends as thats more of a friendship stance thing similar to sex stances or romantic stances like how acespec ppl can still have sex if thats what they want or arospec ppl can still date if thats their preference same for aplspec ppl they can still have friends if thats personally what they want of course its a spectrum so there will be aplspecs who do not have friends aka nonpartnering aplatonics (yeah thats more used for rose relationships but thats amatonormativity so fuck that) me personally im aplatonic friendship indifferent so i have some friends but i dont actively search for them i just have had friends because thats what society expects but i can live without them the same way most aros/aces can live without sex or romance i just dont necessarily need friends but im ok with having them.

hope this helps!

[ducki3xd]

Introductory Post

Hello there!! My name is Sal, and I'm one of the hosts of our system

We're collectively known as Duckie or DuBr and use He/Him pronouns!!

Bodily, we are a minor but we don't mind talking to adults!!

Underneath our BYF is a bunch of links to posts we've made, talking about our stances, opinions, and feelings on different things.

DNI/BYF

DNI:

Kink/fetish blogs, pro/neu endo, transphobes, racists, sexists, pedos, ableists, homophobes, anti xenogenders, anti alter/nonhuman, harmful paras, lgbt exclusionists, proshippers, fujioshis, anti age/petre and age/petre sexualisers

BYF:

We are bodily a minor, as stated above!! We don't like engaging in syscourse but we are anti endo.

Our issue with anti-self-dx people

Stuff about pedos

Don't listen to ableists

Host Intros

◡✞ Sal 🎸◡ He/Him◞ Primary Host

◡✞ Sonic 🦔◡ He/Him◞ Primary Host

◡✞ Toby 🪓◡ He/Him◞ Secondary Host

◡✞ Grian 🦜◡ He/Him◞ Tertiary Host

Side Blogs

@ax3-sllng3r - Run by Toby

@sonixspaze - Run by Sonic

@paris-black-cat - Run by Adrien

@vampire-central - Another collective blog dedicated to vampires

Our Tags

Rambles from [name] - Posts made by that alter

☆ Our Asks Answered - Answers to any asks we've received

Socials

Discord Server

Carrd

Simply Plural - Ducki3_XD

^^^ Ask before friend req

Extras

We collectively identify as a nonhuman

We know our alter count just as much as you do

Our frequent fronters change often

We have a crap ton of Sonic alters

Yes, we have DSMP alters but they heavily dislike their source

[personality-corner]

Astrid Hofferson

ISTJ

I forgot how good this movie is.

Dominant Si (Introverted Sensing) / Inferior Ne (Extroverted Intuition)

Astrid is guided by her experiences, and can very easily tell if her environment doesn’t match what she’s used to. She is skeptical of Hiccup’s new found skills, despite never really caring much about him before, after observing how much he struggled with it before. Throughout the movie, she is also a stickler for tradition, eager to fight her parents’ war, and it isn’t until she is shown otherwise that she starts to change her mind about things. She tends to be understanding of the world around her, and she knows how it works, which is how she ends up being so good at dragon fighting. She also tends to be more level-headed than the other students, as she wants to know as much as she can about her environment before jumping in headfirst.

Auxiliary Te (Extroverted Thinking) / Tertiary Fi (Intoverted Feeling)

Astrid tends to develop a lot of the knowledge she has about the world around her by reading books and obtains knowledge and data from outside sources. Out of everyone in the group, she is one of two who read the book on dragons before Gobber even assigned it to them. When she becomes suspicious of Hiccup’s motives, she follows him into the woods, and sees for herself what is going on, before coming to her own conclusions or accusing him of doing something. She is also shown to have a strong sense of morality, and doesn’t tend to follow the crowd. In the beginning, she is the only one we see who isn’t mocking Hiccup or even laughing at the jokes the others are making at his expense, even if she wasn’t particularly fond of him at this point. She is also able to change her moral stance based on new information when she sees how dragons act for herself.

[originemesis]

@flowercrxwned xxx

A small scream as she watched the scene unfold before her and that demonic tree's assault and control over her son. She shook with rage, everything she had lived through now coursing through her blood in the form of liquid fury. The guilt at all her mistakes boiled inside her and she would aim it all at the one thing that had hurt all of them. She was distracted momentarily by Abel's concern for her; it was just like her sweet boy to worry for her sake despite the condition he was in. She would not let it stand. Thinking as quickly as she could she remove a little more sand with her free hand and threw it at another thick tendril, it hardening into a throwing dagger mid-air.

"Abel. Don't worry about me." She spoke sternly, but without any anger or coldness, a commanding tone a mother gives when she wants her child to listen to something very important. "I want you to focus on the tree. Can you feel its weak spots?" The small dagger seemed to bounce right off the gnarled and hardened skin of the root, and Eve seethed. She needed to remain with bigger but agile weapons; what a waste of sand. Attacking from a distance was not in her favor.

As he remained standing- or rather propped up into a soldier's stance with a backbone that the entanglement of tendrils had become for the echo of a man whose blood painted the tips of each diverging pathway along the secondary and tertiary root routes, Abel only breaks stance to shudder alongside the root system as it recoiled just enough to avoid the thrown dagger. A coy arch of the missed tendril would bump the handle of the same dagger to coax it towards the greedier middle section. A few twisting wraps later, the lengthy vine would dance in place cobra -like with the stolen weapon as if to taunt her with its growing game of keep away.

Don't worry about her, she says...truthfully he's not supposed to anyway. This ordeal (if that's what they'd call it) is one he knows little of, but little enough to gauge he's meant to cause her pain here like any other path they'd end up on together. Still...he coughs mid-wonder, the clot in his mouth bubbling out over the pursed angle of his lips. Still...to share even the briefest moment of quotidian time with her served as an anchoring stone within infinity and a loop that could only end in spilled blood.

"Can't help it." He musters, a quirk of a smile twitching as a root slides under his chin and climbs a cheek in a thoughtless caress. "I'm your...'sort of son'. Comes with the job description-" But all musings aside while the tree drains its energy pack for the evening, she has a point about the potential he has in feeling the weak points of a tree that had set its youngest roots in his veins. Could he feel its weak spots- did he even want to? Or would the tree even grant him that knowledge barring none else?

"...I can try. For you-"

At her request, his eyes slide shut and his head drops forward despite the best rousing efforts of the tendril's nudges. And as he falls silent, one larger root that seems agitated by this attempt at voluntary symbiosis gives a warning swipe at Eve as if it's no longer tolerating her presence in the chamber. The one that claimed her dagger earlier waves it wildly in turn, and the one at his cheek keeps nudging his head up like it could prop life back into the lifeless display as determined to do so as a mother with an entirely too still newborn.

As his thoughts travel the miles of tendrils up to the base and to the branches above, his eyes flit open and roll up towards the earthen ceiling with creeping curiosity. "Ah...so that's-" The sentiment is cut short with the burying of Eve's dagger into his shoulder where a vindictive vine twists to change the tune of conversation from cordial to catatonic as a shout of pain leaves the ensnared. As the roots greedily drank, the smallest sprigs of green began budding as if they were transitioning into the branches that lorded above them in the sky.

"Look out!" He grinds out through clenched teeth as a thick root swipes at her feet from behind, python coils aimed to latch and drag her in to the thrashing bowels.

[teenageread]

Review: The Sixth Extinction

Synopsis:

Over the last half-billion years, there have been five mass extinctions, when the diversity of life on earth suddenly and dramatically contracted. Scientists around the world are currently monitoring the sixth extinction, predicted to be the most devastating extinction event since the asteroid impact that wiped out the dinosaurs. This time around, the cataclysm is us. 

In prose that is at once frank, entertaining, and deeply informed, The New Yorker writer Elizabeth Kolbert tells us why and how human beings have altered life on the planet in a way no species has before. Interweaving research in half a dozen disciplines, descriptions of the fascinating species that have already been lost, and the history of extinction as a concept, Kolbert provides a moving and comprehensive account of the disappearances occurring before our very eyes. She shows that the sixth extinction is likely to be mankind's most lasting legacy, compelling us to rethink the fundamental question of what it means to be human.

Plot:

Throughout this planet’s history (as we know it) there have been five major extinctions. The first was the Ordovician Extinction when most of the planet was an ocean, then the Late Devonian, which killed off three quarters of the species on earth. The third was the largest, known as the Permian Mass Extinction, its nickname is the Great Dying since it killed off 96% of life on earth. With the fourth, Triassic-Jurassic, and the fifth, Cretaceous-Tertiary, being the most popular one for killing off the dinosaurs, it is also the most “recent” mass extinction event. The question scientists are asking now is, if by historical stances, we are in a sixth mass extinction, and is it natural or are humans causing the event? Elizabeth Kolbert takes us on her scientific journey from the golden frogs in El Valle, rhinos, humans, and where we are storing the DNA of the extinct. From pictures, graphs, equations, past and present scientists, Kolbert gives us the cold hard truth, and unlike a fiction novel, this one does not have a happy ending. 

Thoughts: 

Elizabeth Kolbert won the Pulitzer prize for this novel, telling us how we are going to kill the world. Not to be honest, this is not a light read, nor something that is necessarily ‘fun’. Where at times Kolbert did write in an entertaining way, it is not a fiction novel, this is real, with real people, and real events happening around the world right now. The best thing is Kolbert leaves her notes on where she got her quotes, a bibliography and an index, which is helpful to quote this novel.  If you are interested in global matters, environmental needs, or just done reading fictional garbage, this book is perfect, as each chapter is a new place/new issue, you can easily snooze through one and still understand the plot.

Read more reviews: Goodreads

Buy the book: Amazon

[emirates23]

Exploring Nursing Opportunities Abroad: Top Countries for Indian Nurses

Nursing is one of the most in-demand jobs inside and outside India. A profession that is in most demand in GCC countries for Indians is the nursing job. For Indian nurses, who are looking to broaden their horizons, many countries are waiting with promising career opportunities. If you are a skilled nurse and have multilingual capabilities then wide opportunities will be there. The overseas opportunities will give you high pay as well as a high-standard working environment. The respect for nurses outside India is much higher than inside India. Nurses are being recruited through top nursing consultancy in Kerala and here is a list of the top countries that offer promising careers.  

Five top countries that offer promising nursing career

United Arab Emirates: Dubai which is an opulent city right due to cultural and development richness hires nurses from India. A large part of nurses who work in Dubai are Indian and they a decent pay but not much higher than European and American countries. But the most attractive feature of Dubai is that the nurses can take their entire income to their homeland since there are no taxes. In Dubai, there are many world-class hospitals, medical centers, and clinics that offer good employment prospects for Indian and other nationalities. 

Saudi Arabia: In Saudi Arabia, there are a plethora of job opportunities for nurses in both the private and Government sectors. They offer good pay, accommodation facilities and also travel allowances. Saudi Arabia is one of the largest nations in GCC countries and also the pilgrimage place for Muslims, the demand for medical facilities is very high. The demand for trained professionals especially from India is of high demand in Saudi. However, finding the right opportunity is a bit challenging since there is a high scam in the field of recruitment. 

Canada: Canada is a country that offers a healthcare system with the highest standard. This country is facing staff shortages and is now actively recruiting nurses worldwide. The high-quality life and the welcoming stances towards immigrants make Canada an excellent choice for nurses. The medical facilities and education are completely free for immigrants. 

Australia: Australia's flourishing healthcare industry and stunning landscapes attract nurses worldwide. With modern facilities and advanced technology, nurses can work efficiently. During leisure time, they can explore the country's picturesque natural environment. Competitive salaries and excellent benefits make it a lucrative career option. To work as a nurse in Australia, one must register with the AHPRA (Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency) and pass English language proficiency tests.

United States of America (USA): The USA boasts a robust healthcare system with a significant demand for skilled nurses across various specialties. Indian nurses aspiring to work in the USA can pursue opportunities through programs like the H-1B visa for skilled workers or the EB-3 visa for professionals with tertiary education. Opportunities exist in hospitals, clinics, long-term care facilities, and community health settings throughout the country.

United Kingdom (UK): With its National Health Service (NHS), the UK offers extensive opportunities for Indian nurses to work in both public and private healthcare sectors. The UK's Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) oversees the registration process for international nurses, which includes passing the Occupational English Test (OET) or International English Language Testing System (IELTS) and meeting other requirements. Work settings range from hospitals and nursing homes to community healthcare centers.

Conclusion

If you are planning for an overseas nursing job, first research the rules and regulations for immigrants. Based on it decide which country is most suitable for you. There will be medical tests, mandatory examinations, and other verifications for each country. It is better to connect with any nursing consultancy in Kerala before you plan to move, they will guide you through the process and also provide you with data regarding the recruitment.

[angeltism]

Could yuu celebrate what objectum is? <- never heard of this

Pulling several wiki explanations out to give uu a general idea but basically it's the attraction to objects as how most form attraction to people, like platonic, romantic, sexual, familial or otherwise 👍

It is not a harmful paraphilia by any means, but I have experience with people seeing the word paraphilia and jumping to "oh you think the bad bad ones are okay?? you think that??? you're a terrible person" even though being anti-c for the harmful ones (like the typical -philias people think of) but still being supportive of ones that don't cause harm to others is a stance that people very much do have. Hence my anxiety 👍👍

Long ass actual wiki definitions below el oh el

LGBTQIA+ Wiki: Objectum Sexuality, also known as Objectum, Objectum Romanticism (OS/OR), or Pygmaliosexual, is the attraction to inanimate objects. This attraction can be sexual, romantic, or both, it can also be a form of tertiary attraction. The objects that an objectum (or 'OS') individual is attracted to are often called "beloved objects", these objects often have names and personalities to the objectum individual. They may go on dates or do other intimate acts with their beloved object.

Wikipedia: Object sexuality or objectophilia is a group of paraphilias characterized by sexual or romantic attraction focused on particular inanimate objects. Individuals with this attraction may have strong feelings of love and commitment to certain items or structures of their fixation. Some do not desire sexual or close emotional relationships with humans. Object-sexual individuals also often believe in animism, and sense reciprocation based on the belief that objects have souls, intelligence, feelings, and the ability to communicate. Questions of objectophilia's legality or ethical provenance have not arisen, given that inanimate objects are inert and not harmed through object sexuality.

[acti-veg]

I don’t really understand the argument that going vegan helps human rights.

I don’t get the argument “we should end animal agriculture because humans within the industry are exploited” because humans are exploited in many industries - but the industry can be changed so people are no longer being exploited, we don’t have to end the industry itself

I’m vegan for other reasons but I just don’t really get this particular argument. Could animal agriculture not be improved so humans working within it aren’t exploited?

Human rights could be improved in animal agriculture, but that’s also true of just about every abusive industry that anyone boycotts. Amazon could clean up their act, but that’s not a good argument against boycotting them now, in their current state.

Amazon is an apt comparison too because it literally could not exist in anything resembling it’s current form without explanation of humans and significant harm to the environment - this is also true of animal agriculture industries. The affordability and availability of meat and dairy depends on ever expanding grazing land, clear cutting, land seizures, pollution, intensive farming, poor wages and traumatising slaughterhouse work - all come at massive human cost.

That said, there is no human rights reason to be completely vegan, just as there is no environmental reason to be completely vegan. Veganism is a specific stance on a specific issue, which is the exploitation of animals. Everything else is tertiary but they are all arguments in favour of boycotting animal agriculture in its current form, just as we would with literally any other industry that was even close to as destructive and exploitative as animal ag is.

[technicallyblakebelladonna]

Anything you want from ilia that’s isn’t related to Blake or yang? Personally I want to see a little of ilia finding herself not in relation to Blake or Adam. And my personal hope is that we see anything to suggest she isn’t just following in ghira’s footsteps, I’ve been dissapointed by the white fang plotline and that’s really all I can hope for at this point

im trying to discern whether or not this is a subtle passive-aggressive dig at the fact that when i rambled about ilia earlier, basically all i did was talk about her and her relationship with blake and future interactions with yang.

but i'll do my best to answer in sincerity in the case that it's not.

so just to quickly state, i'm of the stance that i'm not someone who should be speaking about the white fang/faunus arc and how it's been handled previously since i am white (and the faunus arc has been most widely discussed as a metaphor/narrative vehicle for real world racism) -- and also i don't believe that my opinion should matter for that very reason. far better people than me have had better things to say about all of it, and usually i try to avoid getting too much into rwby fandom discourse in general bc it just turns into a hot mess extremely quickly no matter where you end up in the fandom. so i'm just going to avoid all that and say it's not my place.

having said that, i genuinely believe that i don't think it's a bad thing for ilia to work with ghira and kali to reestablish a better white fang. it feels like a natural continuation of ilia's arc to have her further split from adam and his influences. blake even directly compares ilia and adam, but follows that comparison up by stating "i don't think ilia is like adam - not yet at least" so it really makes sense that ilia would continue to strive for a goal that she once had -- working towards the betterment of the faunus -- but through a lens that is no longer twisted by spite and rage and a overzealous desire for power, as adam's goal for the white fang was. actually, adam never used the white fang for what they were actually meant for in the first place, he just was doing whatever he could to have as much power as possible (but most specifically, as much power as he could over blake -- and he sought to do anything and everything he could to gain control over here).

so for ilia to continue her journey, unfettered by misguided leadership, to step into her own leadership role in regard to the white fang, i personally feel like that's a good continuation for her character. for her to completely abandon the white fang and just leave it for ghira and kali feels like a weird characterization for her, in my opinion. plus, on top of that, really what else would her character do? with her character redemption arc resolved and now that she's on the side of good, why would she just stop there? that doesn't make any sense to me, personally. like, canonically, that makes sense to me from both her character stand point and giving her an in-story reason to continue on with her journey, rather than just having her drop off the map entirely bc all of the sudden now her redemption is complete and we have no need for her. she's a tertiary character for sure, but i dont think even miles and kerry and the other writers are that lazy to just simply drop an entire character. not when they went decided to include her in the montage shots during ruby's v8 monologue. they plan to keep her around, and clearly they plan to keep her around through her connection with ghira and kali - likely meaning, the white fang.

now for something that i would LOVE to see them do with ilia that "isn't related to blake or yang", but will likely not happen, is for ilia to become a maiden in some way, shape or form. i've seen, specifically, that ilia will become the summer maiden somehow as a theory that's gained some popularity. specifically because the maidens (other than cinder, who is basically ruby's main antagonist) are tied to our protagonists in some way -- winter is weiss' sister, and raven is yang's mom. so it feels like a fairly short leap to assume that the next revealed maiden could end up being tied to blake in some regards.

there are a couple other posts that completely sold me on this (as if i needed much convincing in the first place bc i love ilia so much and having her be a maiden would just be dope as fuck) that you can read HERE and HERE if you so desire to, but basically they boil down to how thematically ilia could fit in as the summer maiden and how it would make sense, actually. one point is that the maidens themselves have interesting relationships/connections between themselves, so it stands to reason that the next maiden-maiden connection would have something similar. and it would be a connection that winter would have with another maiden. and winter and ilia have interesting established narrative parallels already that could be more deeply explored in ilia becoming a maiden.

the other post talks about how team rwby would become guides to the maidens, rather than becoming maidens themselves. this is already showing up with yang and raven, with ruby and cinder (to a degree), and certainly with weiss and winter. blake currently does not have a guide position to fill -- except that she already has guided one character along their path back to redemption. so, again, not a massive leap to see the possibility of blake further guiding ilia in that journey. again, the posts say far more and say it much more eloquently than i did, so feel free to read those instead.

there's certainly a lot the writers could do with ilia's story that isn't related to her interactions with blake or yang, and a lot that i'm excited for if they choose to bring her back, but in the meantime, i'm just gonna keep hoping we see her again, somehow.

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Actually I think the main thing that feels off about this season of the Rookie is that Nyla and Angela (and Wesley) kind of drew the short straws and just don't have much of their own thing to do.

Nyla and Angela are usually pretty involved in the plots as the two main detectives but they don't have their own arcs going on. Wesley is around but pretty minimally. (Do we know the name of their second kid? And I think James has only appeared at the wedding, but then again he's always been more tertiary).

And I get WHY. I would say it's completely because of the strike shortening the season. It's less than half the number of episodes that the last two seasons got. And with an ensemble as big as theirs and half the space, you have to make cuts somewhere. Nolan's the main character (ostensibly) so his storyline gets priority (and this season that means Bailey too). Lucy and Tim are both the most dynamic couple (here I don't mean in terms of appeal, just stage of their relationship. Their relationship is developing more than the other couples) and probably the biggest draw. Aaron had his story line teed up last season and it wasn't one you could just drop. Celina is the newest character and therefore has the most untread ground (along with Aaron), and also is a priority because A. her stories are extensions of Nolan's story. and B. the rookie training is a key aspect of the show.

And so it makes a sort of sense that Nyla and Angela might get less focus (and honestly with some of the stuff those women have been through the last couple seasons, let them rest). So it's not like I'm mad at the show or criticizing the writer's, but I do feel the loss of that angle of the show and the greater presence of those characters.

But that absence of those arcs with them also affects what are essentially the two main season story lines-- Bailey and Nolan on the one hand, and Lucy and Tim on the other. A normal season of the show would do pretty much everything that this season has done with those characters, but it would be spaced out way more. In between you'd have the low stakes/light-hearted episodes, or just episodes focusing on different characters. But without those other twelve episodes, everything has to be compressed. And that's where we get a sense of: a LOT of big things happening in these characters lives (Bailey and Nolan got married, went on a honeymoon and got kidnapped, fostered a child and started trying to have a baby within six episodes); a narrower focus on certain characters than previous seasons; things feeling a bit rushed (I don't feel this too bad, but I've seen others say it).

This isn't so much to complain about the season (I've been enjoying it for the most part). Just to kind of evaluate how the shortened season has affected it. (And also to reaffirm my general stance in favor of 18-23 episode seasons).