#terfs do not fucking touch

[shittinggold]

Anyone else really love the new Tumblr trend of saying "actually the problem with men is that they're not centered on and listened to by women enough" and pretending that that's feminist.

[tampon-eater]

AFAB (as in, raised into girlhood, not necessarily sex) person: wears makeup, dresses, has a skincare routine, shaves, etc etc etc

Radfem: no! You can’t do that! It’s hurting the #feminist movement! Be more masculine instead!

AFAB person: uses testosterone to achieve a more ‘masculine’ body type, has top surgery, phalloplasty, uses he/him pronouns, grows a beard, etc etc etc

Radfem: wait no not that masculine that’s also hurting the movement!

[faggotstump]

hi trans people I love you ❤️🏳️‍⚧️❤️🏳️‍⚧️

[tampon-eater]

I for one think that bears are incredibly trust worthy

@/redberryterf is a deeply racist transphobe pls bloke her she talksabout trusting a bear over a somalian man in the bear v man thing its so disgusting

they've already been added to the blocklist, but I had no idea bout that, that's fucking disgusting 🤢

[transrevolutions]

I hate you makeup I hate you shaving I hate you botox fillers I hate you coverup I hate you nosejobs I hate you digital airbrushing I hate you tooth whitening I hate you braces for aesthetic reasons only I hate you everything that tells you your body is not enough in order to sell you a product

I love you scars I love you uneven skin I love you stretch marks I love you leg hair I love you crotch hair I love you armpit hair I love you natural skin color I love you facial features that don't conform to western standards I love you accepting your body and making informed choices about what you want to do with it

[kiawritesstuff]

Sick! I feel sick. Please, all the women out there, I am begging you to stop sleeping with XY Chromosomes. Males don't see us as humans; they are not making love to you; they just want to dominate you, force you, and brag about it to their male friends because they see us as a sex toy that needs to be broken and bragged about. Females, separate yourselves from these demons. How many examples are needed to see that males are not capable of love? They say we are submissive, but they have to continue demeaning us.If submission was our nature, they wouldn't need to always force it upon us. In reality, all males crave validation from other males; they don't love us or even like us because they are in love with their fellow males. That's why they protect the abusers, the rapists, and monsters like the man mentioned above. They like to hype those men because they crave to be like them. Like demons!

[radicallyourlocalfeminist]

How libfems feel after ignoring world issues and instead, focusing all their hate onto Jkr and grooming 10 year olds to become prostitutes 😊

[susandsnell]

Re anachronistic feminist characters, you are absolutely right and you should say it.

Maybe people who want to read "write women who sew" type stuff should just go do that instead of trying to make every single female character fit into their worldview. Because I don't want every character to be Eloise, I'm fine with variety, but a lot of people seem like they can't stand even one woman challenging gender norms.

No amount of faux progressive language will change the fact they sound like highschool bullies picking on girls who are too GNC or too "weird."

Thank you so much! Ideally, you'd have feminist characters more representative of the feminist or proto-feminist views of their era where the work is going for historical accuracy to honour the different points of where we were in history and also acknowledge the flaws of the movement at different points in time (1994's Little Women versus the hilariously bad 2019 version comes to mind), and certainly there's an element of repetitiveness in this character type, but this is seldom if ever the criticism I see. The truth of the matter is that in fact many early feminists did denigrate work designated as feminine, but we can acknowledge this as misdirected anger at having one option deemed valid.

Instead, we've somehow arrived at "wanting to be treated with human dignity is internalized misogyny because it really cramps my ability to romanticize the past". As you say, nothing wrong with valuing the labour more frequently done by women, but the fact of the matter is you can do that and show that there were always many people who resisted or did not fit into the tight boxes that society forced them into. Instead of, you know, ridiculing them for wanting to break the boxes while enjoying the fruits of having to fit into fewer boxes than our predecessors precisely because of women who loudmouthed and fought back and didn't fit into certain people's fantasy of being a submissive little princess. The kind of girls you made fun of and ostracized in high school, one might say.

To address a particular point you raise that I think is the most important in this entire ongoing discussion:

No amount of faux progressive language will change the fact they sound like highschool bullies picking on girls who are too GNC or too "weird."

I keep saying it, but a certain type of liberal feminist are now using "NLOG" the way it was socially acceptable 10-15 years ago to call someone a lesbian/homophobic or transphobic slurs because they didn't wear makeup or want a boyfriend. It is absolutely high school bullying mentality and has gone from an imperfect attempt at addressing internalized misogyny to active misogyny and latent/often overt homophobia and transphobia.

This is what the numbskulls making video essay after video essay about the apparent 'NLOG crisis' fail to grasp. The Heathers and the Plastics are not 'demonized for being feminine', they are accurate representations of how under patriarchy, social capital is gained through strict, obsessive adherence to white, Western beauty standards (which corporations can profit off of endlessly by manufacturing infinite insecurities, so bonus to the rich girls) and excelling at heterosexuality and pleasing others, and this system self-reinforces by the 'winners' bullying those who do not conform as easily. Jo March, queercoded dynamo that she was, took nothing away from the sisters who were happier with more traditional lifestyles because she wanted better for herself and the girls of the future, and represents so many women who fought for just that. You're not actually an intellectual for thinking Daphne Bridgerton has more value than Eloise because she was designated the season's Diamond, a literal in-universe (and true to life) Prize For Being Correctly Female, and unquestioningly accepts being paraded around like an ornament and smiling at being auctioned off to the highest bidder while Eloise fought back, criticized, and wanted an education more than any boy until they forced heterosexuality upon her. You are in fact a vanguard of the very patriarchal system the franchise even presents as backwards, because you don't want anyone raining on your arranged marriage fantasies.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing feminist, about snarking girls who do not like or for whatever reason, cannot or will not perform conventional femininity.

There is a certain sour-grapes defensiveness that comes from beig ostracized and punished for Failing At Your Gender if you weren't good at what was expected of you/resisted it. Femininity is derided, but it is also imposed (the two work in tandem to oppress women); and if you fail at its imposition, it's natural to try and gain protection by participating in the derision. Hell, I theorize that people who proclaimed themselves "not like other girls" in the contemporary age often did so out of resistance at the fact that we're supposed to perform (cisheteronormative) sexiness from the time we hit our teens, and of course the panopticon self-reinforcement that is how Other Girls treat you if you, an adolescent girl, shirk performance of femininity in any way. Certainly, I've also read much about GNC girls (of various identities) and neurodivergent girls equally having turned to this, which makes sense, as they're frequently targets for such bullying.

I do also think - and have personally experienced - it was an often imperfect articulation of queerness in many cases. The societal ideal of women under a patriarchy is cisheteronormativity; our value is derived from our appeal to men, and from the time we start maturing, sexual availability and appeal to men is the highest virtue. Therefore, women whose sexuality is not limited to men - or heaven forbid, doesn't include them at all - 'fail' gender, and accordingly often feel a sense of alienation and ostracism from other girls when they don't get as excited about dating boys. Also, in many cases (anecdotal I admit from people I know, but still significant), people who had a phase of asserting they "weren't like other girls" were in the process of discovering that they weren't girls at all!

And in some cases - again, I've mentioned that I was an Eloise for all the handwringing about how girls of that era wouldn't say that or do that and it would never occur to want more than what they had (...okay, so why are things different now?) - it's a frustration from the outspoken feminists and reformers at not being able to get other girls on board with us, because deviation from expectation will make you the weirdo who gets punished and rejected because ugh, annoying! As one historical costuming youtuber I won't name so charmingly puts it in her godawful video essay, "the women who made a big show of fighting back were freaks." (Way to convince us you care about feminism...)

All this to say the anti-NLOG brigade have utterly worn out my patience, and at best seem ignorant of the battles that have won us the freedoms we have today because it's not fun to consider how your escapist fantasy might be problematic (understandable, you don't always have to reflect on this to be aware), and at worst? They're getting the chance to be the mean girl in high school again/that they never got to be, they're just dressing it up in the bastardized language of feminism.

[frogburglar]

i edited out the near-nude rendering of her body, but this is up on the onion's instagram. i'm constantly so disgusted by male "leftists" who constantly use women's bodies against us the moment they disagree with us. i hate mtg but no woman deserves this

[that-satireguy]

after talking to you I started thinking that TERFs actually have a point when it comes to excluding trans women and female-specific oppression. So maybe you should fuck off of online discourse for a bit and reconsider your rhetoric.

I don't know. Just a thought.

;)

Wait I'm sorry. So you went down a radicalisation pipeline and decided bigotry was a good idea. And you think that entitles you to telling me that i can't post about trans men having specific issues?

Honestly if you can't wrap your head around:

trans men are oppressed on an intersection of misogyny, transphobia and occasionally anti-transmasculinity,

And they do not as a whole appear to benefit from any form of 'male privilege' as can be proven through analysing the trends of transmasc:

positions of power

economic positions

rights to bodily autonomy

education access

social power.

trans women are also oppressed on an intersection of misogyny, transphobia and occasionally anti-transmasculinity.

And they do not as a whole appear to benefit from any form of 'male privilege' as can be proven through analysing the trends of transfem:

positions of power

economic positions

rights to bodily autonomy

education access

social power.

Then you believe in oppositional sexism. Meaning you drank the terf juice wayyy before getting in a conversation with me, thanks.

[mycoblogg]

can terfs interact?

no lol i will hunt you for sport. fuck off

[medusa-fem]

🪻

Removing makeup from my concept of normal for less than a month has radically changed how I view my surroundings. On social media, I can't help but see the faces under the masks other women wear, and wish these wonderful women didn't feel the need to don a dozen products just to speak online. Their faces grow more unfamiliar as I understand how oppressive and unnatural makeup is.

I look at my own face and every day I notice a new little feature that went unnoticed due to the contrast and coverage of dramatic makeup. I finally am able to see that every single face is beautiful, because what we've had marketed to us as imperfections are what make us unique. The mole on my upper lip that tiktok filters cover up, the sharp indent on the underside of my nose, my deep set eyes, even the little wrinkles on my forehead that I once hated for "making me look old" at 23, I can now see are simply there because I am an expressive person. I thought giving up makeup as a radical feminist would feel impossible, I thought I'd feel ugly and just have to suffer with self consciousness, so that I could make a small contribution to changing society. I started to give up makeup so that I would no longer contribute money to the beauty industry, so that women and especially girls could see one more natural face in public, and especially so that people in my own life who knew me as the girl that spent at least an hour a day doing my makeup, could watch me radically change in opposition to oppressive beauty standards placed on women. I was prepared to make this seemingly difficult change, because I knew the societal results even on a small level mattered too much for me to selfishly justify holding onto my special interest in makeup. I had no idea this change would come with so many gifts, and I am happier with my body than I have ever been. I love me, for the first time in my life, and I feel so free.

[lovelyrotter]

can ppl in this fandom like... stop... implying that transmasculinity in hcs or (especially) canon is shallow or misogynistic or even transmisogynistic on princible, like literally just by being prescent in someones mind or in the text. like that doesnt fuckin feel good. thats kind of really nasty to imply. if its not okay to say about other trans experiences, maybe dont say it about this one either. why is there a weird little exception here. yall KNOW how much that sucks to hear all day every day. what the fuck

[moidsmalding]

The fucking audacity...the delusion. This is a widely shared opinion amongst males for sure, but you just know that these same guys will be relentlessly pursuing the very women they despise and crying about not having a gf, making plebbit posts asking each other for advice on the 'grind' and how to pull several women at once. Wish they'd stand by their so-called ideals of hatred and leave us the fuck alone.

[zerodaryls]

it's so funny (read: sad) that if bigoted fuckheads didn't insist i was a woman simply by virtue of my body at birth, i'd probably be chill with she/her pronouns in addition to he/they. if my mom didn't insist i was her daughter, i'd probably let her call me that, and we could still have a relationship.

i'm nonbinary and 'gendered' words are hypothetically meaningless, but because there are so many people who are more interested in telling me who i am rather than lovingly and curiously letting me express my own sense of self, those words carry trauma.

there's no reason a nonbinary person like myself can't be a son and a child and a daughter. there's no reason a nonbinary person like me can't go by he, they, and she.

'she' is not a slur. 'daughter' is not derogatory. 'beautiful' 'pretty' 'gorgeous' 'feminine' are not insults.

to the contrary, they're parts of language that express certain facets of a multi-faceted human existence, like mine.

and i have this sad, mournful feeling that if it weren't for unloving, condescending people, i'd probably be down to be called any of those things alongside my usual masculine/neutral terminology.

but i'd rather die than let anyone tell me what i have to be called.

[reinedeslys-central]

when it's been so long since you've read a fic that you forget about it and you find it in the search tags and start reading it again

and it's great, if a little familiar, but you've read a lot of these sorts of fics bc you like this tag a lot, so you assume it's nothing

but then the deja vu starts adding up and you start to wonder

and then moments before the great big Plot Twist Reveal happens you're suddenly like ah hell this is the bloody sundial fic again isn't it

smh this has to be the fourth time yet