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arthurwattshousewife · 2 years ago
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Full offensive to Tai, but how did he manage to rizz up his whole team??
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arc-misadventures · 2 months ago
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MFK Goodwitch: Qrow, Tai, And Rusted Knight Jaune.
Glynda: MFK II
Glynda: Miss Valkyrie... Why are you making me do this?
Nora: Because I can!
Glynda: Haaa... Must I?
Nora: Yes.
Glynda: Even if I let cut your three week detention for destroying the kitchen down to three days?
Nora: No.
Glynda: Haaa... Very well. Tell me who the poor fools of this game of MFK are...
Nora: Our contestants today are!
Nora: Qrow Branwen!
Qrow: Hey~!
Glynda: Oh gods...
Nora: Tai Yang Xiao Long!
Tai: Hi~!
Glynda: Mr. Xiao Long.
Nora: And, last but not least: The Rusted Knight, Jaune Arc!
Jaune: Hello, Ms. Goodwitch. It is nice to see you again.
Glynda: Oh~?
Nora: So, Ms. Goodwitch! Who will you marry, fuck, and kill~?
Glynda: ...
Glynda: First off; I'd kill, Qrow.
Qrow: What?!
Tai: Smart choice.
Qrow: What the hell man?!
Glynda: I'd say I would... sleep with, Tai... But...
Nora: But?
Tai: We were stuck in a game of spin the bottle when we were students at, Beacon. And, I spun the bottle on, Glynda, and kissed her!
Glynda: To which I promptly threw up after he did so.
Nora: What?!
Qrow: AH-hahahaha! I remember that! The second he pecked her lips, she threw up all over him! It was glorious!
Nora: Why did you do that?
Glynda: I never found, Tai to be sexually attractive like many of my fellow female students did. I did find him to be attractive, but I had not sexual interest in him at all. After we kissed though, I found him to be quite repulsive.
Nora: Why did that happen?
Glynda: I hold no grudge towards, Tai. I find him to be quite the charming individual to interact with. But, when it comes to sexual attraction, I find the man absolutely repulsive.
Tai: I understand what you mean, but still: Rude.
Nora: Why didn't you kill, Tai, instead of Qrow then?
Glynda: You have to sleep with, Cardin Winchester, but you get unlimited supply of pancakes, and syrup, would you do it?
Nora: No. Absolutely not. No way in fucking hell! I would rather die then so much as let that thing touch me!
Glynda: Now you understand.
Qrow: ...
Tai: Sorry man.
Qrow: I'm not sure it's me, or my semblance?
Glynda: Yes.
Qrow: Oh...
Tai: Ouch!
Glynda: Now, then... Hello, Daddy~!
Jaune: A-Are you talk to me...?
Glynda: Yes, you~!
Jaune: D-Does that mean you want to marry me...?
Glynda: Yes~!
Jaune: Oh... A.. Ahem... Okay then... Shall we... Shall we go then, My Lady~?
Glynda: My pleasure~!
Tai: ...
Qrow: ...
Nora: Now there goes a real man.
Qrow: What?! He literally did nothing?! He just stood there!
Nora: A real man.
Qrow: Oh come on!
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superiorsturgeon · 1 month ago
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SRQ: *sneaking into Taiyang’s room*
Succubus!Raven: Look at that pathetic blonde boy! Such easy prey! 😈
Incubus!Qrow: He doesn’t know what he’s in for! 😈
Werewolf!Summer: An entire team of monsters, and one poor blonde human- 😈
Taiyang: *in the middle of hanging a framed “Certified Monsterfucker” diploma on the wall*
Succubus!Raven:
Incubus!Qrow:
Werewolf!Summer: …maybe we should go-
Taiyang: *tosses the key out the window* You’re not going anywhere.
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brokentrafficknight · 11 months ago
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renabe4life · 8 months ago
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Day 1 - Family/Make you blush
Companion piece to this snippet of words from chapter 2 of Stop-off (which is not yet finished)
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reashot · 1 year ago
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Sometimes the people we hate the most is ourselves.
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Ruby: Bye Dad. I'm going out with Jaune for a bit.
Tai: Oh no you don't Ruby! I forbid you from seeing that Arc brat!
Ruby: What! But why dad?
Tai: I don't need to tell you why. You are forbidden from seeing him!
Ruby: Then tell me why I can't see him in the first place, then?!
Tai: No! Do as I say our I will ground you for a week little Missy!
Ruby: Uh, you're such a jerk dad! *runs away crying*
Tai: *sigh* It's for your own good...
Qrow: You know Tai, she's going to end up hating you, right?
Tai: It's better than her going out with that boy.
Qrow: What is it with you and that Arc punk? I know you never like it when a boy get too close to Ruby, but you seems to take personal offense at him. What made you hate him so much anyway?
Tai: Are you kidding me? Just look at him!
Where do I even begin?
His blonde hair,
His dumb shit eating grin,
His stupid, stupid looking face,
And he probably have a big dick too. I bet he's proud of it. Like I'm going to let his large dong anywhere near my baby girl!
Qrow: Uh....
Tai: And I bet he going to end up knocking up my poor Ruby... And they will be forced to get married, settle down somewhere on an island, raising their children together and then she will gone one day leaving him and her children behind...
Qrow: ... We're not talking about Jaune anymore, are we?
Tai: I miss her so much Qrow!!! *cry*
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iamafanofcartoons · 1 year ago
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"Ruby and Yang's first words" by DebzTheNaught
https://twitter.com/DebzTheNaught/status/1392682889075073024
https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/nbesel/first_words_debzthenaught/
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sugarspikesart · 1 year ago
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RWBY x JSR: Raven Branwen
Sister of Qrow Branwen and mother of Yang Xiao Long, Raven is a very intimidating mother but with a secret soft and caring side. She values family and it's her top#1 priority.
She had dissagreements with Qrow in the past and she kinda dissapeared for a short time when Summer went missing. She then came back, offering her help to find her.
She left tai after Yang's birth. She never neglected her tho, she just didn't wanna stay with him as a couple. Tai and Raven never got married btw, that's why she just... left him, there was no divorce
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stars-n-spice · 1 month ago
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Couldn’t get it off my mind-
Brain went, "hey current guy you're obsessed over is a lot like the previous guy you used to be obsessed over a few years back" and I haven't stopped thinking about it since.
Going insane over them right now.
Anyways,, have some wip sketches of Crosshair as Qrow Branwen from RWBY:
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Look at those cunty ass poses. I love them.
And also some of Tay as Clover Ebi:
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Mayday is also a pretty fitting person for Clover, but since I ship FairGame, I decided to make Tay into Clover instead. But the parallels are definitely there for Clover to be Mayday. *cough* being fucking dead *cough*
And a few wip sketches of Sharpshooters as FairGame:
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I think I'm going to redraw all their scenes just because they make me crazy.
I had plans to draw Fall themed stuff and now my brain is like "Draw RWBY AU Stuff or explode" so,, yeah. Also it's like high of 90s here so it doesn't even feel like Fall enough to want to get in the mood to draw/write anything Fall themed :/
ANYWAYS.
Crosshair as Qrow is my Roman Empire. I love these two cunty disaster bi edgelord bitches so much. And I guess also their way too confident flirty jock ass big tits boyfriends as well.
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bridgyrose · 1 year ago
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As Qrow continues to wear the skirt, Taiyang realizes he has fallen for his teammate. What starts as a prank becomes a crush, and what becomes a crush becomes interesting relationship between the two men.
Summer and Raven just watch the whole relationship drama unfold with popcorn.
“You know you dont need to wear the skirt anymore, right?” Tai asked Qrow as he sat down. “It was just a prank and doesnt have to be part of your wardrobe.” 
Qrow shrugged and glanced down at his legs. Sure, he figured it had been a prank after the first day, but after getting used to the skirt, three weeks later, it was still one of the few pieces of his wardrobe he kept wearing. “Why not? It feels comfortable.” 
“Yeah, but… guys dont wear skirts.” 
“Maybe I’m not a guy.” Qrow smirked a bit as he caught a blush run across Tai’s face. “Maybe I’m just a menace.” 
“A menace to the school, maybe,” Taiyang said under his breath. “If you’re going to keep wearing the skirt, then why did we go through all that effort to get you a new uniform with pants? I thought that’s what you wanted.” 
Qrow paused for a moment, his eyes catching a quick glimpse of his reflection against the metal railing along the wall. Of course he wanted pants at first, but after a few hours of wearing pants, he realized the skirts gave him a bit more freedom, less restrictive, easier to fight in. And while a kilt was an option, it just didnt feel right to wear one. Though, part of it may have been seeing the way Tai looked at anyone in a skirt, catching his glances and part of him wanting to be looked at the same way. “Yeah, but… skirts are definitely more comfortable.” 
“Then we can talk to Ozpin about getting you a kilt.” 
“And if I dont want one?” 
That managed to cause Taiyang to pause for a moment as he thought things over. “You… dont want a kilt but you want to wear a skirt? Dont you think you might be taking things just a little too far?” 
“Or maybe I’m not taking things far enough,” Qrow said quietly as he kept looking at his reflection. He shook his head for a moment as a small thought made its way in, one he thought he was done with a while ago. His body tensed up for a moment as he caught the way Taiyang looked at Summer and Raven, his own heart pounding in his chest, desperately wanting Taiyang to notice him the same way. He slowly tried to focus on his textbook again as the professor walked into the class. 
“Today we’ll be learning about the mighty Ursa and how to efficiently defeat it,” the professor said as he walked in. “But first, rolecall.” 
Qrow gave a quiet “Here,” as he heard his name called, still trying to take his mind off Taiyang. Though, nothing seemed to work as he kept glancing at Taiyang throughout the lesson, almost daydreaming of being held by him. 
Class ended almost as abruptly as it started, Qrow nearly jumping out of his seat as he heard the bell ring. He quickly shoved his textbook into his bag and started to make his way out of class, only to be stopped by Summer putting a hand on his shoulder. 
“As much fun as it is to watch this, I think you need help,” Summer said. 
Qrow paused. “What do you mean?” 
Summer smiled and started to walk. “You and Tai and the way you dance around your feelings. Either way, Raven and I know what you’re dancing around and I want to help you.” 
“You think you can help me… get with Tai?” 
“I do.”
“And what makes you think that?” 
“How about a bet? If I can get Taiyang to go for you, then you have to admit that I know what I’m doing.” 
“And if you cant?” 
“Then I do your homework for the rest of the semester. So, what do you say?” 
Qrow smiled. “Alright, its a deal.” 
“Great!” Summer took his arm and started to pull him. “Then we need to get you a new wardrobe!” 
“W-wait, now?” 
“Of course. Cant leave him waiting.” 
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jayz4dayz · 2 years ago
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en-chantedslibrary · 1 year ago
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Wish you were here (Qrow Branwen x Summer Rose)
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Its a little angsty, I couldnt help myself lol 
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Warnings: loss of a loved one, unrequited love
He had always admired her, respected her. The red head leader who always wore a timid smile on her face. But it wasn’t until recently that the newly licenced huntsman had began to feel a… different type of admiration towards his team leader.
“Hey Qrow, why so glum?” The girl in a white hood asked. Qrow was sat against a tree in forever fall forest, staring out into the crimson landscape that reminded him of her. He didn’t look up; he hadn’t even heard her call out to him until she bent down to meet his eye. “Hey birdbrain, you in there?” she teased. He quickly snapped out of his trance, his red eyes looking into her silver ones.
“Uh, yeah. Yeah, what do you want Summer?” He asked, turning his head in an attempt to hide the slight blush that crept on his face. She giggled at his aloofness, moving to sit next to him.
“You sort of disappeared earlier, what’s wrong?” Summer asked, “You can talk to me, you know?” Qrow stiffened. The reason he had quickly fled the bar earlier was far too embarrassing to admit to her.
Raven, Tai, Summer and Qrow were all sat around a table, swapping stories, and drinking enough alcohol to make an ursa pass out.
“Oh, Gods do you remember the first time you tricked Qrow into wearing a skirt?” Raven mentioned to Tai, gripping his forearm to support her while she let out a laugh. Summer snorted in response, strawberry sunrise shooting out of her nose.
“I remember that!” The silver eyed girl laughed “That was hilarious!”
“Hey! You know that I rocked that skirt. You even said my legs looked great.” Qrow replied, taking a sip from his whiskey.
“Honestly one of the best pranks I ever pulled.” Tai commented, moving his hand to hold Raven’s.
“Yeah, hah.” Summer let out a half-hearted laugh, wiping her nose with a napkin, and taking a silent sip of her drink. Qrow noticed the sudden change in Summer’s demeanour, he let his eyes follow where she was looking. Directly at the man and woman sat across from her. More specifically, their interlocked hands. Tai and Raven were so distracted by each other they hadn’t noticed how quiet and sullen their leader had gotten. Qrow had noticed. Qrow noticed everything about Summer Rose. The way she hid under her hood when she felt shy, the way she always pushed herself a little bit harder everyday in training, the way her eyes lit up when she played video games. The way her lips would move to mouth the words she read in books. The small murmurs she let out when she slept. Everything. Qrow noticed and loved everything about the beautiful silver eyed girl. But she never looked his way. He thought it was pathetic. He pined over a leader that only had eyes for his best friend. His sister’s love. Just his luck. Qrow took one final swig from his drink, stood up, simply said “I’m gonna go clear my head. Too much to drink. I’ll see you guys later.” And he was gone.
“I just- I just needed to clear my head.” He replied. He wasn’t lying; he did need to clear his head. He needed to try and get over his feelings for his teammate, but it seemed to Qrow that a walk through Forever Fall Forest would not be enough. He would have to walk to Anima and back to even get rid of a morsel of his devotion to Summer Rose. He was hopelessly in love with her. But that love would never be requited. Why would it? He was just some bad luck charm. It would bring her nothing but misfortune to be involved with him further than being just a teammate. Just a friend.
“You got out of there pretty quick… are you sure there isn’t something wrong?” Summer questioned.
“Well,” Qrow sighs, pulling his knees into his chest and resting his chin on his arms. “I’ve just been thinking. What happens now?”
“What do you mean?”
“I mean, now we are fully fledged huntsmen… what’s going to happen to us?” Qrow says solemnly.
“I think it’ll take more than graduation to tear team STRQ apart.” Summer replied, nudging Qrow
“Yeah… team STRQ” The us that the dark-haired huntsman was referring to was not the team. It was him and Summer. The two had been inseparable; as partners tended to be at beacon, but Qrow feared that Summer would rather go solo, leaving him alone. Raven had Tai; Summer was sure to find someone much better than him so where would that leave the poor unlucky huntsman? Alone. Again. He supposed he could make flying solo work – no pun intended- but he was scared. He hated being alone, it just reminded him of being back at the tribe. It was cold and no one showed true love and support. It never seemed to bother Raven, but Qrow was always someone who required connection. Love. A small tear left Qrow’s eye. He tried to wipe it away before Summer could notice but she had been watching him the entire time.
“Hey… Stilts, its okay. I’m here.” She spoke in a soft tone, and started to rub his back. This made Qrow begin to sob quietly into his arms.
“I’m – I just…” He began. “I just don’t know what I’m going to do Sum.” Summer’s heart broke at the sound of her partner so vulnerable. It was the first time she had ever seen him cry. In all these years Qrow had always kept up his stoic manner, other than his comical or sweet side. Summer was shocked by how… broken he seemed.
“Hey… shhh, its okay… here” Summer soothed him as she moved to lay him down across her legs, making him stare up at her.
“I’m not going anywhere. Tai and Raven aren’t going anywhere. Team STRQ is forever.” Summer smiled. “And I’m never going to leave you Qrow. You’re my best friend. And besides, who else is going to have your back when you get too cocky in a fight?” She joked, earning a half-hearted chuckle from the man. She smoothed his hair down as she guided him into taking some deep breaths. After a while of calming breaths and small jokes here and there, Summer had fallen asleep, hand still in Qrow’s hair. He dared not to move, afraid that this moment would escape him all too quickly. He just lay there, breathing in the faint smell of roses from her perfume, admiring her porcelain skin and her long lashes. She looked so peaceful like this. He wished that one day he could wake up to this sight every morning. Make coffee with an insane amount of cream and sugar for her every day, be able to plant gentle kisses to her pink lips. But that was just a childish dream. She loved Tai. Not him. So, he would forever sit on the side-lines, admiring her from afar. Qrow continued to stare at Summer until his eyelids became heavy, and his heart at peace. Just for this moment. He closed his eyes, and drifted off into a peaceful, much needed sleep.
When Qrow’s eyes opened, he was met with the view of a beautiful orange sunset. Then, appearing into his vision were silver eyes. He smiled.
“Come on uncle Qrow! Dad made dinner! Get your lazy butt up!” The young silver eyed girl spoke. Her voice was chipper and youthful, it reminded him so much of hers. He smiled.
“Alright, pipsqueak I’m coming.” He groaned, beginning to stand up. His knees groaned at the sudden movement, and his neck ached from laying on the ground. Once he stood up, he looked over to the view over the cliff-side, then down to the engraved stone that lay on the ground, right by where his head was. He smiled, not one of happiness, but one of bittersweet agony.
“I miss you, Summer.”
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zero-rider · 2 years ago
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The crowd cheers, except for Tai, who was confused
Tai: It feels familiar
Qrow: It's from Summer's flirt book, she used on you one year before Ruby's birth
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Summer: Hey Tai, if your personallity was a letter i would say it would be the letter D
Tai: Why the D?
Summer: So i could say that i'm in love with your big D *wink and finger guns*
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Tai: Oh my god, the history repeat itself
Qrow: Fucking blonds...
Ruby: you know, i could sing my ABC's to you. I'll give you an A because you´re awesome, a B because you´re beautiful, a C because you're confident and you should give me that D because i deserve it *wink*
Jaune: ...
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superiorsturgeon · 1 month ago
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Raven: *watching Taiyang* What’s he doing now?
Qrow: He’s planting perennials in a windowsill planter using a fanny pack to hold his gardening tools. 😓
Raven: He’s ridiculous. I can’t believe I’m going to sleep with him.
Qrow: …I mean…
Qrow; …you don’t HAVE to…? 🫤
Raven: No, I’m gonna.
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beestriker015 · 7 months ago
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Raven x sweet and bubbly male s/o
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(This is an AU that takes place during Team STRQ’s time at Beacon.)
Most people know Raven Branwen as a cold and serious person, but much to their shock, there’s one person that she has a soft spot for.
That person….is a fellow Beacon student named s/o.
When she met s/o at initiation, Raven was at first constantly annoyed by his cheerful and upbeat personality, which is very similar to that of her team leader Summer.
“Ugh, as if Summer wasn’t bad enough, now I have too overly joyful nuisances in my life.”
Raven thinks to herself while silently staring at s/o with an annoyed gaze.
Despite being shunned and spoken to rudely on several occasions by Raven, s/o was persistent on befriending her.
“Please Raven! Our teams are going to Vale to hang out and I would really love for you to come too.”
He says to her while the stoic girl exits her dorm room.
“For the last time, I don’t want to waste my time being around you s/o. Now leave me alone.”
She says while rolling her eyes and walking away.
Overtime however, Raven began to respect s/o’s determination and even started to…like him.
“Hey Raven! I probably already know your answer, but would you like to hang out with me?”
Much to his surprise, the black haired girl agrees.
“Sure, I have nothing else to do anyway.”
“Really?! Awesome!”
He smiles widely, which Raven can’t help but find a little…cute?
After that, Raven and s/o slowly began getting close, causing a bit of a personality change that her teammates started to notice.
“Raven’s been acting different lately.”
Summer tells her other two teammates Tai and Qrow, the latter of whom is also Raven’s brother.
“Yeah, she’s a lot nicer.”
“I guess spending time with s/o has been a good influence on my sister.”
Qrow says before taking a drink out of his flask.
“Yeah, I’m beginning to think she might like him more than just a friend.”
“I think so too! I ship it sooo hard!”
“Of course you do Summer.”
Tai deadpans as the three continue talking about Raven and s/o.
Although she has yet to realize it, Raven’s teammates are right about her developing feelings for s/o.
Raven doesn’t catch on to how she feels about her friend until the rest of Team STRQ point out the obvious signs, much to her denial.
“No, s/o is a friend and nothing more. I don’t want to fall in love and I’m not interested in dating.”
She tries convincing herself, though ultimately comes to terms with her feelings thanks to her team.
“Fine, I like s/o a lot, but he probably doesn’t see me that way.”
Luckily, matchmaker Summer Rose is on the case.
After doing some prying, Team STRQ’s leader finds out s/o likes Raven too and proceeds to tell her.
“Raven! Raven! Guess what?! S/o does return your feelings!”
She tells her with barely contained excitement as Raven simply nods.
“Really? That makes things easy for me then.”
The confession s/o got from Raven was short and straight to the point, but he was ecstatic nonetheless.
“I love you too Raven! I’ll be the best boyfriend you’ll ever have!”
He pulls her into a hug, causing an ever so slight smile to make its way onto her face.
As a couple, Raven and s/o have a rather unconventional relationship.
Most if not all affection comes from s/o, not that he minds all that much, but Raven does hold his hand in public, which is something I suppose.
Jealousy is nonexistent because s/o is too positive minded and Raven sees being jealous as completely pointless due to her personality.
(Besides, no girl would dare try making a move on s/o because they’re all afraid of what his girlfriend would do if they did.)
Due to s/o’s overly kind and somewhat gullible nature, several people have tried taking advantage of this to get what they want.
“Hey s/o, I really don’t have time to write that essay. Can you please do it for me, I’d greatly appreciate it.”
“Umm, w-well…”
Luckily, he has his girlfriend to help him deal with these kind of people.
“No. S/o is not going to do your work for you. Don’t bother him again and go write that essay your own damn self.”
Raven glares at the student as he hurriedly leaves.
“Thanks for that Raven.”
“You need to learn not to be someone else’s doormat s/o. Be assertive and say no.”
“I understand, and I promise to try.”
“Good, because you’d be weak if you didn’t. Remember what I said about being weak s/o?”
“The weak die and the strong survive?”
“Exactly. You are strong aren’t you?”
“Of course I’m strong!”
Raven smiles in satisfaction.
“Good answer.”
True to his word, s/o is surprisingly a very skilled fighter, so he and Raven train together quite often, which she may or may not take too seriously.
“You lost s/o. That’s 10 wins for me and 7 for you.”
“Wow, I didn’t know you kept count.”
He says while getting up off the ground and dusting himself off.
“I never forget when it comes to combat.
“You’re so cool Raven.”
S/o tells her with stars in his eyes, not caring at all that she beat him.
The thought of Raven Branwen blushing sounds like pure fantasy, but s/o somehow manages to make that a reality.
“How’s my pretty bird doing today?”
S/o’s nickname for her makes Raven flustered every time, but only when he calls her that.
(Tai tried once, needless to say his nose is healing up nicely.)
Well into their relationship, Raven starts becoming more affectionate with s/o, but will snap at anyone who points it out.
“I love you pretty bird.
“I love you too s/o.”
She smiles sweetly at her boyfriend as Qrow snickers.
“Never thought I’d see the day when you’d become such a big softie sis.”
“Softie?! I’ll make you regret those words Qrow!”
“Raven no!”
Qrow runs for his life as his livid sister chases after him with her sword that she named Omen, s/o desperately trying to calm her down the entire time.
If s/o ever got serious hurt, Oum help whoever or whatever is responsible, for they will face the hellish fury of a pissed off Raven.
“For hurting my s/o, you deserve nothing but death.”
She says calmly with a terrifying glare before brutally killing the Grimm who attacked her boyfriend.
“Raven, you saved me!”
He hugs her tightly, which she returns.
“We will do some more training one we’re back at Beacon so this doesn’t happen again. I won’t let my boyfriend become weak.
She tells him all tsundere like, but is secretly very concerned about s/o’s safety.
“Ok! I love you pretty bird.”
Raven smiles softly to herself before breaking from the hug.
“I love you too s/o.”
Despite initially being known as uncaring and cold hearted, Raven can’t help but drop this persona from time to time due to strong love she feels for her sweet boyfriend with all her, whom she will always protect no matter what.
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strqyr · 6 months ago
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Werid question but I saw a ckip of it on X but whats your opinion on the scene in vol 4 where raven is insulting qrow and tai to yangs face? I noticed she only fires off her weapon after raven insults her dad like she's getting more angry when raven call qrow clueless but the mon she says "and your fool of a father" that's when yangs goes full angry thought ut was interesting (you don't have to answer if you don't want too :) )
that scene lives in my head rent-free ngl
it's not just that yang gets proper angry the moment raven insults tai—legit she's one step away from being ready to throw hands—but what she says to raven afterwards: "you were never there. you left us." <- it's not just you left me, it's us.
and it's like. through it all, tai was there, trying his best despite the situation, despite having lost two significant others in relatively short period of time, and yang gets it. it wasn't the easiest time in their lives, there's that wish that it had been different, but there's also understanding of why. and yang's not going to take anyone insulting her dad, especially not from someone who wasn't there but who, from her point of view, could have been at any point in time.
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