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Sam would be odd man out on snacks even had his parents survived:
JOHN: Licorice drops? Nice choice.
Woe to Sam, continually and perpetually outnumbered, even when Jack joins the family. Hell, even when he eats, Cas like pork rinds and crap food.
Who will eat terrible rabbit-food alongside Sam? No one.
(Maybe Henry?)
SPNwin 1x01, SPN 7x10
#spnwin 1x01#core4 idiosyncrasies#tfw idiosyncrasies#spn foods#spn 7x10#spn death's door#spnwin pilot#alt john#alt mary#prime dean#prime sam#prime bobby
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I brewed a potion to tap into my subconscious so I could access the echo of any remaining portion of the demon that possessed me.
Ada Monroe in The Winchesters Pilot and Teach Your Children Well (1x01 and 1x02): Best of SPN WIN Gals and Nonbinary Pals [9 / ?]
#series spnwin#Ada Monroe#spnedit#spngif#spn ladies#spnwin 1x01#spnwin 1x02#supernatural#My gifs spn///#trying to match the coloring of the pilot to the rest of the series is hellish lol
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My images are terrible because I have zero skills but it doesn't matter. I want to compare these two shots. In spn 15x20 the road is like a tunnel or a maze, claustrophobic and closed on both sides by a wall of trees. In spnwin 1x01 the road is bright, open and has an endless horizon. It says a lot, doesn't it?


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Rewatching the Winchesters now that it's on HBO Max and I can at any time instead of 3 am and god the pilot is chaotic but in the best way now that I already love all the characters.
And more than that, I can actually enjoy John this time around since I can watch it without having SPN!John in my head. Still will rub me the wrong way when he says hypocritical shit that SPN!John has done, but it's sooo much easier to genuinely give him the space to be aka grow as a character without the constraints of who he would've become. And yea, he very much is still completely recognizable as the John we knew, like to the point that I believe him to be way more likely to become JDM!John than Matt's John (but we did spend very little with him tbh). But he still has time to figure his shit out and is willing to do it. Ughh, cant wait to rewatch this.
Same thing with Mary tbh, having her basically have to be honest about herself and having all this hope for a future where she can be happy and not have to keep hunting til she dies, and knowing that she doesn't have to become(and won't I think) SPN!Mary means I can see her talk about all of these things without wanting to cry. And yea, I can def see SPN!Mary in her clearly, the trying to stay detached due to her grief, the hardened hunter, the taking the initiative and not taking no for an answer whether that's good or back. But she hasn't yet lived through one death and the loss of her whole life so she can still hold onto her dreams and try to achieve them.
Now Lata and Carlos on the other hand tho were always fun. But knowing them already mean I can enjoy all the minute work that builds their chracters even from the get go and also made me realize just how much they also grow throughout the season. Still my faves tho. Like Carlos' entrence is another spn iconic entrence tbh. And also also just... the sheer disaster that Carlos is in the Pilot speaks to me personally. And Lata instantly endears me to her, she's sassy from the get go, but more reserved in the Pilot. U can see the strength and and courage and ... just potential these two have cuz it's all already therw, but it's being held back in the Pilot, they don't yet have a support system aka Carlos is in a lone wolf vibe where they cant afford to let people close and Lata just lost hers not too long ago and with Maggie, she also kinda lost and is losing Mary.
I genuinely forgot Millie's intro was pretty harsh initially. Like I knew ep 2 has the monster turning into her for a reason, but I forgot how much she reminded me of SPN!John (when he was around that is) that I had a double take. It was the passive agressive comment to John followed by soothing it with a hug and a smile thay just genuinely threw me a bit with how much of SPN!John is in her aka how much he clearly learned from her (his parenting style) which obv makes sense but damn.
There might not be too much Ada in the Pilot, but the little we do get tho and where she ends up (with Rowena ackowledging her power and herself believing in her own magic and just herself) from where we see her here with a book store and trying to lay low is phenomenal. And we have hints here of who she is, and who she grows into when she talks to John about Henry, but like with all of them its hints.
Anyways, I love this show and the Pilot is pretty chaotic but not as energizer bunny/break neck speed as I remembered, but still way faster than the rest of the show. But it does such a good job setting everyone up, both for us to understand who they are now and for us to have a jumping point to see where they end up.
And to close it, fuck is it still the best thing in the world to have Dean on the screen again. Ughh, hits just as bad this time as the 1st time. Also also, this joy really be checking the Samulet there so that Jack doesn't get close, like he really be out here on his own, fucking theripizing himself with journaling and vibing by himself in his usual hunters outfit when not being percieved and then the fashionista in him when in a crowded bus stop was like "Imma be as extra as I can be" just because he could and honestly, good for him. He's always found time for a nice outfit change when oportunity presented itself.
Long story short, I'll be writing down my thoughts this run through as they come with the episodes.
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Going back to rewatch The Winchesters pilot is really interesting. Especially the start, where we see Mary walking out of a theater showing of Slaughterhouse 5.
According to Dean in Season 12, Mary watched it and loved it.
But Au!Mary was just getting her snacks for a stakeout. I actually prefer it cuz Mary commenting “Book was better” is totally something I would do. 😂
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Up and down the stairs; away and towards safety
"Run. Take your brother and go! Now, Dean!"
(The story is after us, Dean. It's after Sam.)
We hear the warning again later in the episode, with the overlaid message from John: "I can never go home" & "We're all in danger!"
And the thing is, they are in danger—all of them—from the story itself. The road, then, becomes armor, and motion becomes safety, insisting that they keep moving. Being in one place? That's what kills them. The idea of going off-road functions like a temptation, a lure. The safety of home is just an illusion.
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Shelter is down
Even in the pilot, Dean is quite literally a marked impala, a prey animal, always on the run. I really love the contrast of Mary and John running "up" towards the fire and little Dean running away, visually "down," away from the fire.
In trying to escape the fire, Dean descends to safety. It is this need for safety (and the safety of his loved ones) that in a very real sense eventually drives him towards Hell.
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Later in the episode, we see Dean descend the stairs again, when he's leading Sam away from Sam's apartment (an apartment that has been, unbeknownst to them, marked for death by Azazel).
"Going down" will be a mode of movement that follows Dean pretty much his whole life. Dean goes down into the valley, into the shelter, into Hell.
Dean remains on the move for much of his life, but when he does get a true home of his own, it's underground. When he's on the run from Billie/Death in 15x18, he plunges further still, deeper underground, until he loses the love of his life in his safest spot: the bunker's dungeon.
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Until then, the car is the safest spot they've got.
But the narrative is at work, trying to take control of the car; trying to chisel and shape its targets the way Constance tries to chisel and shape her targets.
When the car charges them on the bridge, Dean is frantic to get out of the way, diving "down" off the bridge, into the safety of another road—into movement, the churning river.
Meanwhile, Sam keeps hanging on. Sam's Taurus-like personality and stubbornness means that he's always trying to cheat a rigged game. Sam tries to stay in the "high place" and not get burned.
Sam monkey-arms and contorts himself to stay on the bridge...
...and Dean comes crawling out of the river like a drowned rat.
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We see ups and downs for Constance's family, too.
Sam forces her to go home, taking control of the car (narrative) and hurling her into her ruined, dilapidated house.
Inside, she's faced with her guilt: and her guilt is up.
The deceased family members are upstairs. They went up, but they never came down.
These children have obviously been paralleled to the pain that Sam and Dean go through at the hands of John's cruel overpreparedness, but these two are also an off-key echo of John and Mary's innocence.
The narrative killed its "first children." Mary's body was consumed alongside John's faith in the future. They are the ones who went "up" and were murdered (Mary) and damaged (John).
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In many ways, Constance's story is a study of opposites to the Winchesters.
Her first children were drowned. The narrative burned its first children.
Dean's mother Mary ran towards the danger (and we will see she continues to haunt her house as a supreme protector of children). In contrast, Constance runs away from her house. She killed her children.
Constance's ghost is out to prove that deep down, everyone is flawed, operating in a Luciferian mode of engineered hopelessness. She haunts the road in a Trickster-tempter-style of hunting, not just preying on "unfaithful men," but trying to prove that in fact, all men are scum, i.e. "Even if you're still faithful, I'll make you unfaithful."
Many of SPN's villains are out to bring out the worst in people; the writer's task is to prove that anyone (everyone) will break under the right circumstances:
KEVIN TRAN (APOCALYPSE): Michael doesn't want to kill you. He wants to break you. He said for me to tell you that, 'Even if you win, you still lose.' I'm sorry. 13x20 Unfinished Business
We get this from Chuck too in 15x09 The Trap, as he works to drain Sam of all hope.
CHUCK: Um, short version – Sammy lost hope, and now I'm free. Hey, take it easy on the kid. It took a lot to beat it out of him. [Chuck crushes the sphere, destroying the spell] 15x09 The Trap
We also see this attitude reflected in many of the angel characters, reaching all the way into SPNwin The Winchesters, with the OG mindset of Gabriel/The Trickster wanting to prove how horrible humans are:
GABRIEL (unhinged): When the chips are down, humanity always chooses the selfish way out! Always! 1x08 Hang on to Your Life
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As we learn more about Mary, we unravel that she did do some running of her own—running from hunting, from her parents, from her own childhood home. But here, at least, despite being dressed in white, Mary is in many ways Constance's opposite.
John are Dean are the ones doing the running, afraid to go home. In some ways, Constance is more like John than she is Mary, as John is victimized by Mary's lies and mistakes. John, like Constance, is driven into madness and despair. And of course, John breaks so hard that he hurts his own children.
After what happened, Constance went out on the road, looking for monsters. Making monsters, too.
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The off-key parallels continue:
A married couple burns upstairs; a pair of siblings drowns upstairs.
The Winchester family faces tragedy in the comfort of their pajamas, while Constance's family are in their daily school uniforms—the period clothing giving off an eerie feeling that they're in "work clothes." (The suit and tie on the boy, especially!)
When Constance faces them, they embrace her, loving her as they bring her to justice.
Dean and Sam are "below." Safe. Looking on as the family is reunited and can finally rest together.
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Sam goes home.
When Sam ascends up the stairs to his apartment, he leaves safety. There are horrors waiting for him "above," as Jess too is on the ceiling, a sacrifice to the narrative gods (the audience).
Like how Zachariah had to put extra pressure on Dean in 4x17 It's a Terrible Life to get Dean back on the road, Azazel has to burn down Sam's home to get him to play ball.
Sam had roots in this little apartment; he was even looking for a way to stay nearby with regards to his interview:
LUIS: So there you go. You are a first-round draft pick. You can go to any law school you want! SAM: Actually, I got an interview here.
So, Azazel burns the garden.
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Meanwhile, after he notices his watch stop, Dean rushes back and kicks open the door, much like a firefighter coming to the rescue. Dean is running into the fire the same way both of his parents did, acting in his parents' stead to save Sam:
Dean quickly spots Jess, and susses out that Sam's destiny is after him, and he works immediately to get him to safety—down the stairs.
Afterward, with the memory of Mary heavy on his mind, Dean turns, knowing.
He got Sam out, but like John, Sam isn't okay.
Sam is "down and out," the light of his happiness snuffed out. This was foreshadowed by "Sam's light going out" in the headlight scene:
(We will later see Dean lose his light too, in season 7, after Cas dies.)
Sam is safe from the fire, but he's, in a very real sense, no longer the same Sam. Despite that Dean is the one wearing John's jacket, it is Sam who is now set on the path to revenge, to "becoming" Azazel.
Sam's broken.
SAM: Yeah. I kinda mean, well, like ever since my head broke, and we lost Cas. You ever feel like he's going through the same motions but he's not the same Dean, ya know? 7x09 How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters
Sam's season 7 self could be talking about his season 1 self here! Loss does things to people. (But the narrative did it to Sam so early!)
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DEAN: So what are you gonna do? You're just gonna live some normal, apple pie life? Is that it? SAM: No. Not normal. Safe. DEAN: And that's why you ran away. 1x01 Pilot
Despite his extreme efforts, John couldn't keep Sam safe from Azazel's designs.
And Dean can't either.
#the radical notion that john is ALSO like constance#shal spn rewatch#spn pilot#spn 1x01#writer eric kripke#director david nutter#airdate 9-13-2005#the woman in white#family annihilation#angry ghosts#the chuck theme of hopelessness#spnwin 1x08#spnwin hang onto your life#writer nic chatree sridej#director amyn kaderali#spn 4x17#spn it's a terrible life#writer sera gamble#director james l conway#airdate: 5-26-2009#7x09#spn how to win friends and influence monsters#writer ben edlund#director guy bee#airdate 11-18-2011#13x20#spn unfinished business#writer meredith glynn#director richard speight jr#airdate 4-26-2018
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DEAN KEEPS PICKING THE MUSIC (2/7) Music Playlist (2/2)
The Winchesters - S01E07 // Supernatural - S01E13/S09E23
#Dean keeps picking the music#Nostalgia#Deja vu vibes#The Winchesters#SPN#SPNWin#SPN Win parallels#The Winchesters edit#SPN edit#Sam Winchester#Dean Winchester#Mary Campbell#John Winchester#Carlos Cervantes#Latika Dar#Millie Winchester#Ada Monroe#My edits#1x01#1x13#9x23
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A compilation of Dean's voiceovers from The Winchesters, now in audio so you can listen along to my transcript post
(This is minus his final episode scene as that would have made it much much longer than 6 and a half minutes!)
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THE WINCHESTERS | 1.01 Pilot
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The Winchesters 1x01 // Pilot
#spnwin#spnwinedit#the winchesters#the winchesters season 1#john winchester#spnwin 1x01#carlos cervantez#spn#spnwin spoilers
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The thing that really gets me? Is that, when you’re watching The Winchesters, you know that it looks and feels like Supernatural would look and feel if Jensen Ackles made it (because it is). And i love it! It’s warm and a mixture of gritty and mystical and lights have a slightly otherwordly glow to them (the glow of unreality and death, with its dream-like quality) and there’s an almost Tolkien-like quality to these abandoned bunkers and objects curated by people who don’t exist anymore and whom anyone hardly remembers, like an ancient civilization that knew how to keep evil at bay but whose memory has almost entirely been lost (the world has changed...). Information is found and shared on paper. It almost feels like the choice of subject, with its 70s setting, is almost an excuse to get rid of screens and online search engines and give Supernatural a vintage feel back, that Americana fairytale flavor it always wanted to have.
And now that I’m typing this out, I’m fully processing that the show is shot as a tale. The story of Mary, John and the others is not simply ‘happening’ in front of the audience’s eyes, it is being told, and it is shot as such! The warmth, the glow, the story-like feeling are there because that’s how the story is being told.
And now I’m having thoughts that inhabit that area between the accident and the purpose of Supernatural’s making. Because as Supernatural progressed, the visual quality of it became colder, brighter, sharper. Information was on the internet, shared on smartphones, with little romanticism left to the whole process. Of course this was due to out-story reasons, but it works in-story too. The story was being told by Chuck in an increasingly controlling, claustrophobic way. And the way it felt lost gentleness, lost charm.
And now Dean is narrating, and suddenly the visuals are very Dean. Soft, warm, intimate. Vietnam looks like Purgatory. The characters look beautiful and graceful. There’s a loving quality to the whole thing. Out-story, it’s Jensen’s love for the show, and the love for the show of all the other people involved in this. The care and respect they have for the show. In-story, it’s Dean’s love for what he’s talking about, his care and respect for the subjects of his story.
It’s only been one episode but I’m already in love with this show.
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Loss in common:
Enter Millie, The Prickly-but-Hopeful Fixer
[We note that, even after all this time, Millie's building carries the MoL Aquarian star of protection, and it's still Winchester Garage, not...whatever-her-maiden-name is.]
When we first meet Millie, she's bitter. As the one who "kept the lantern on," "the one who stayed," she's hurt and defensive, a lot like how Dean grows to be in latter seasons of SPN.
(Even post-demonicity, Dean is still expected to be the soft place to fall for everyone. Even after Jack kills Mary, Cas has this expectation of Dean's soft-heartedness: "it's possible he could work through this. One day, he may explode and let it all out and breathe deeply and move on.")
Anyway, Millie!
Her reunion with John is part passive-aggressive but loving. We see that Millie, like Dean, has intense abandonment trauma. She speaks abrasively-but-affectionately. She calls John "Kid, Kiddo, etc." which was a go-to with Dean for both Claire Novak and Jack Kline.
JOHN: Love what you've done with the place. MILLIE (passive-aggressive): Well, my husband and son walked out on me, so. It's the best I could do. (growing emotional) Dammit. Welcome home, Kiddo.
Gruff, abrasive, imperfect? Maybe. But full of love.
Alt John and Millie are united by the common loss of Henry, just as Prime John, Sam, and Dean were united by the common loss of Mary.
John thinks Henry walked out on them, but I think Millie is likely more complex. With her tacit knowledge of the Men of Letters, I think it's reasonable that she at least suspects that he might be dead.
What does that tell us about her? It tells us that the loss of Henry was unbelievably painful--it's probably easier for her to consider he left than the very likely truth: his demise.
She's a fixer. That's what she does.
She holds out hopeless hope.
JOHN: I'm fine, Mom. MILLIE: The Hell you are. You've been chasing your dad since he walked out that door. I know that's why you enlisted. But it is time to let the past go, kiddo.
But Millie isn't healed either. She hasn't let the past go, even as she pursues her dream of being a mechanic and owning a garage (like her father). Letting the past go hasn't helped her heal.
In fact, carrying on hunting and the MoL business is what seems to soothe her loss, giving her new meaning and purpose. Millie and John's push-pull dynamic with hunting is much like how it was with Ellen and Jo Harvelle.
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But overall, we see what Henry's absence wrought. It's just as Henry feared in SPN Prime (9x17 Mother's Little Helper):
HENRY: Therein lies the problem. As our initiation grows closer, I... I worry that this might be a selfish endeavor on my part. JOSIE: Selfish. How? HENRY: If anything were to happen to me, what of John? Millie? JOSIE: They'd be proud to know that you answered the call. HENRY: No. My wife would be a widow, and my son fatherless. I don't expect you to understand. You don't have a fam--[he pauses] I'm sorry, Josie. I didn't mean it that way. JOSIE: I know, Henry. You're a good man. Millie is lucky to have you.
This directly parallels Cas and his allegiance to his work, Heaven, (Heaven is a truck, and Cas is a truck-driver; Dean thinks he's Josie when he's actually Millie).
It also beings to mind the visual of ("little John") Jack's entrance as he wanders around muttering, "Father. Fa-ther. Father. I need to find him. Castiel. He was supposed to be here," while looking for his long-expected, lost father in 13x01 Lost and Found.
But it's also an off-key parallel to prime John, who would become as Millie was, a bereft widower in the cold, floundering and ill-equipped to handle the dangers of the supernatural world.
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Enter Mary, Action Hero
(Note: Mary's got a short range, so I love how she uses speed to her advantage to get larger targets off-balance.)
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And importantly, John...is NOT allowed to look cool. It's a RULE. He's a dorky...little...guy.
Mary knocks the demon into a blessed holy water vat, a call-forward to something prime John will do in SPNprime 01x21 Salvation.
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When Alt John and Alt Mary meet:
Mary's father has been absent (missing) from her life for a short time, and John's father Henry has been absent for most of his life, just as when Dean and Cas meet, theirs too is a tale of missing fathers. Cas's father was absent for all of his life, and Dean's flaky dad has been gone for a (relatively) short time. It also very obviously parallels Sam and Dean searching for their missing father.
When they break inside the Men of Letters clubhouse, Mary keys into John's emotions about his father. This reminds me of of the first time Dean keyed in really hard to Cas's emotions in 5x16.
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JOHN: How do you cope with it all? MARY (wryly, jokingly): I'll let you know when I find out. (SPNwin 1x01)
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DEAN: Yeah, I get it. I know how you feel. CASTIEL: How do you manage it? DEAN (wryly, jokingly): On a good day, you get to kill [The Whore of Babylon]. (SPN 5x17)
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Recent losses of friends & family:
Additionally, Mary and John have both suffered recent losses. Mary lost her narrative twin Maggie, and John lost his comrade Murph to war.
[Mary's cousin went to Hell, just as Sam's brother went to Hell in season in vintage and mid-SPN.] Mary's hunting family was torn asunder, parents separating.
And John? WIth war, John signed up to fill a void left by his father, to find meaning in life.
We can even recall Dean's words to Gordon in 2x03 Bloodlust, how Dean struggled with the idea of "The Invincible Dad" and how his death made the word more terrifying, how it left a wound of depression inside of him that he sought to fill with meaning through work:
DEAN: Yeah. Yeah, you know. He was just one of those guys. Took some terrible beatings, just kept coming. So you're always thinking to yourself, he's indestructible. He'll always be around, nothing can kill my dad. Then just like that (snaps) he's gone. I can't talk about this to Sammy. You know, I gotta keep my game face on. (clears throat) But, uh, the truth is I'm not handling it very well. Feel like I have this - GORDON: Hole inside you? And it just gets bigger and bigger and darker and darker? Good. You can use it. Keeps you hungry. Trust me. There's plenty out there needs killing, and this'll help you do it. Dean, it's not a crime to need your job.
Dean lost his dad, and Gordon lost his sister. This emptiness is depression. John lost his dad and suffered that loss all his life. He signed up to the war for the GLORY OF PURPOSE. He didn't sign up to the war for more pain and grief, but that's exactly what he got.
What's the thing Dean can't fill up, not with booze or love or even sex? It's grief and pain. It can only be filled with love, which is what Cas's confession narratively does in 15x18.
It's also what Mary's love and the love of the Core 4 will eventually do for John.
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SPN Prime season 8 side-parallel: Connections of recent grief ALSO calls to mind season 8, how Sam connected with Amelia when they had both suffered a loss, Sam lost his narrative twin to Purgatory and Amelia lost her husband to war.
Theirs was a fast-paced reactionary relationship born of grief, something that pinged and annoyed Amelia's father, leading him to be very passive-aggressive with Sam. (Her father was a dick, but he's both a soldier himself and does know her best and probably has her best interests in mind. He recognized that was Amelia mid-freakout, OOC. He pings that her out-of-characterness is a weird reaction to grief).
He was right to be concerned about the shallowness and stability of it. These types of reactionary relationships are well-known: they can be very shaky, melodramatic, idealized, and weak when stress-tested.
Sam (and vintage Dean) both have this tendency to be all-in or all-out when it comes to The Cause. Neither strike a balance very easily. They tend to either be ALL IN for the Perfect War with Perfect War Companions at Your Side...or rushing into something tenuous that represents a weak idea that winds up unsatisfying because it's not genuine: Perfect White Picket Fence or Howling-at-the-Moon Dishibitory Party Life.
In SPNwin, John is doing a lot of running, too. He rushes into the thing with Betty (weak and tenuous), then he rushes into war, he rushes into hunting, and he runs into the relationship with Mary.
This theme of Running into Danger / Running From Danger persists. John certainly struggles with it, BUT in a departure from his past behavior, this new thing with Mary gets a lot of stress-testing, eventually moving from limerence into turbulence, power struggle, and de-idealization. (SPNwin 1x12, The Tears of a Clown)
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SO.
Mary and her ragtag gang of friends embark on a journey to look for the missing Samuel Campbell the way Sam and Dean look for the errant John Winchester, the way the Banes twins look for their mother Tasha Banes in Twigs, Twine, & Tasha Bane.
Certainly the core 4 are all "running scared" and clinging to one another, having all lost loved ones in a variety of ways. They are united in empathy over their respective losses:
John (dad, comrades)
Mary (narrative sibling, missing dad, splintered family and parental separation)
Carlos (whole family killed by a monster)
Lata (no-contact with her family because they allowed her beloved nanny to die; nonsensical/cruel hierarchy of human society)
Ada (husband lost to madness, son potentially a puppy-destined-to-be-wolf)
And finally we get Henry's letter:
If you're reading this, then I'm gone. I'm sorry I kept the truth from you, John. There's a dangerous world out there, and our family has fought that danger for centuries. The answers to all your questions are at the address below. I love you and your mother. Always.
I think this idea of Henry Winchester as a secret-keeper, and as Mary-prime as a secret-keeper fed into what we know about John-prime turned into: a neuroses of paranoia and over-preparedness.
But thanks to Dean, Alt John has some new tools to work through this: knowledge. Even his anger is useful, openly telling his mother how disappointed and betrayed he feels over being kept in the dark. For her part, she gives him her emotional truth: that she only wanted to protect him.
It's the first healing step for both of them.
#writer robbie thompson#director glen winter#millie winchester#henry winchester#john & millie#henry cas parallels#john cas parallels#john sam parallels#millie dean parallels#john jack parallels#josie sands#lata#alt john#prime john#prime dean#prime cas#alt mary#amelia richardson#spnwin 1x01
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“The only thing worse than how it starts for a hunter is how it ends…”
#dean winchester#carlos cervantez#the winchesters#the winchesters spoilers#spnwin 1x01#spnwin#spnwin spoilers#supernatural parallels#spn prequel#supernatural#SPN#jenny talks
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I am having thoughts about the final fight scene and how everyone was split up. John is left in the underground well where it is darker than above and he kills the monster. @wigglebox mentioned in their nycc write up that John took to killing the monster very easily. Up above on the otherhand you have Mary, Carlos and Lata work as a team to exorcise the demon out of Ada and save her life.
There's something about John descending to a lonesome fight after Mary left as opposed to the teamwork happening above him. Also he is linked to killing whereas the others are saving someone. I'm not quite sure what to make of this except for foreshadowing of where John ends up in SPN but it would not leave my mind.
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John: Well, what do you wanna do with the rest of your life, then?
Mary: I don't know. I just wanna live long enough to find out.
Mary Campbell in The Winchesters Pilot (1x01): Best of SPNWIN Gals and Nonbinary Pals [1/?]
#series spnwin#spnedit#spngif#spnwin 1x01#mary campbell#spn ladies#the winchesters#spn prequel#spnwin#supernatural#My gifs spn///#please go easy on me I'm fighting for my life with this coloring#yellow tint me beloathed
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The ghostly specter of John's hopes and dreams in SPN 1x01:
Above Baby Sam's crib, we see John's symbolic hopes and dreams. The crib mobile is filled with the baseball items John adores.
Baseball is a consistent special interest of John's, from the djinn dream where he plays softball to his #SPNwin dream of becoming a minor league catcher.
In SPNwin, he's not yet the monstrous inverse of his "dreamer" self. He's still the thing that attracted Mary to him: the soldier who hasn't lost his ability to dream. He keeps believing, even when Mary, a child-raised-soldier, feels like she can't muster up the strength to. Aside// Mary is like Dean this way, with lines like: "it only ends one way... bloody." On the other hand, John doesn't start there. It takes lying, coercion, and manipulation to get John's world to shrink, for his path[s] to narrow to hunting.
Hope is "what" John is (until, of course, he isn't):
MARY: I don't know. He's sweet, kind. Even after the war, after everything, he still believes in happily ever after, you know? Supernatural, 4x13 In the Beginning
// Until Mary died, it seems his dreams were difficult to extinguish. His primary mode of being was hopefulness:
Note: As Mary and John discuss their dreams, we see behind Mary some Jack Kline types of motifs, "The Future," crowing roosters, sunflowers, and a rainbow.
JOHN: See, I, I wanted to be a catcher for the Kansas City Athletics. MARY (fatalistic) : My parents never let me dream like that. Being a kid who killed monsters was my only option.
JOHN (wistful): You know, when I was a kid, I, uhm... I made this list of all of these places I was gonna go to look for my dad. Kept it for years, crossing off destinations, adding more. Enough time goes by... all you see is a list, you know? MARY (angry): Are you saying I should stop looking for my dad? JOHN: I'm saying that once you find him and leave hunting for good, you're gonna need a new list. The Winchesters, 1x03 You're Lost, Little Girl
We're familiar with the Winchester gun, but in the 20s Winchester (yes, the same gun brand: Winchester Rifles and Firearms Co) made a short run of baseball gear, known specifically for its top-of-the-line catcher's gear. It was outlasted by brands by Rawlings, Wilson, and Spalding.
Vintage Winchester catcher gear goes for ~$700 on eBay.
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Here, John, the ever-hopeful soldier who holds onto his dreams will lose those dreams. The dreams will go up in smoke, and he emerges from the flames like a demon possessed.
In the words of Lady Toni Bevell (12x21): "A mad slowly going mad, searching for revenge."
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