#snowchester system

[seasidewanderers]

genuinely if you're running a trauma survivor bait account what the fuck are you doing. using survivors' trauma against them, making survivors' lives harder, and making it harder to be believed when we speak up about it, it makes me sick. this is beyond fucked up.

it's a new low even for the pit of acid that's on fire that's syscourse. this is just cruel and vile. I would say do some introspection and change for the better, but I struggle to believe there's something worth salvaging in these people. get the fuck out of trauma survivor spaces, delete all your social media and get some help.

[crushed-littlestars-co]

Making this post for awareness purposes!!!

So recently a “system” on here by the name of the “snowchester system” revealed themself to be a bait account along with another “system” by the name of “the song system”, they along with (apparently) others orchestrated this for the purpose of “fucking with people” as the person behinds snowchester put it, after a falling out of their discord server/groupchat happened snowchester decided to reveal it early because they were done dealing with it, as highlighted in the screenshots these people believe very disturbing ideas and if you have/are interacting with them and do not know of this i highly encourage you to block them.

-Isobel

[inlovewithairy]

have you guys ever considered that snowchester sys is sending some of these anon asks to themselves. cuz it does feel like that

[aspengenic]

Uhm no, changing your age in your bio to reflect an alters age, esp when changing it to an adult age when you're bodily a minor (and vice versa) is fucking weird.

Alters can have separate ages, but you are still bodily 15 and that's it. It doesn't give you an excuse to change your age in your bio to reflect that and, so others are aware, it doesn't mean you can enter adult spaces either.

We have alters with their own blogs that are different ages and their ages still reflect the body's age in their bio.

That's so fucking weird to do and not even funny

Regardless to of whether or not it's bait, I feel there are some systems who genuinely do this and they need to just not.

@snowchester-system I'm going to need you to be so fr right now.

You are 15. You will always be 15 until your 16th birthday. A host change does not suddenly change or further brain development. Your physical brain is only as developed as a 15 year old brain. You are not 27 and will never be 27 until your 27th birthday. A different alter fronting or hosting cannot change brain development. You are 15. You are a *child.* A *minor.*

I honestly see this as an attempt to deflect responsibility by acting as if your Wilbur is not responsible for your actions as Tommy. New flash: you're all responsible for your actions. I also see this as an attempt to appear more authoritative and trustworthy, especially after I called you out for being racist and stating that you will be seen as less trustworthy as a self-proclaimed educator because of your actions.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'd like to remind you all that this is the same person I called out for being racist and pushing negative stereotypes against Latinos, specifically Mexicans and those with Mexican heritage. Not even 24 hours I made that post, they go and do this.

This is a blatantly racist action and they deserve to be called out for this. I am a Mexican American system, but I am just one person. I highly encourage other Mexican or Latino systems out there to spread awareness about this issue regarding this individual, and I encourage you all to make your own posts about this situation and sharing your thoughts. Frankly, I encourage anyone that supports the Latino community to do the same. I am tired of being treated like a joke because of my ethnicity and I am tired of my language being used to mock me.

@snowchester-system, do fucking better.

[nuclearblast]

hallo i am going to make a promo post for the metfell system blogs since i cannot put it on main due to it being compromised by family. here are all of our blogs please feel free to reblog and share it around:

im boss over here on nuclearblast fern is over at @silktouchhands stelle is at @stelledore ran is over at @angelpray bell is over at @theprimebell selûne is at @snowchester-malewife and if you are mutuals with us on metfell please feel free to send an ask or a dm asking for our mutuals only blog ^_^

[angelicseraphic]

It is crazy to us how some people can be so fucking stupid and horrible to go out of their way to deliberately make a mockery of a community of people who are severely traumatized and have gone through any form of organized abuse. There was a time way before everyone started claiming to have xyz disorder where we were listened to, then endos came into the community not saying you were not beforehand, I am saying you have really come into it now alongside those who spread misinfo and now no one will listen.

This is something I have though of when snowchestersystem came out as a bait blog, which by the way was PAINFULLY obvious, and as more and more people come out as one I would like to remind people to stop fully trusting everyone and everything you see online. The snowchester system grew up a following and used horrible asks to show OEA in the light they did, but also failed to understand how much it affects actual survivors. Using a severely debilitating in some cases disorder in order to bait people is not okay, joke or not.

People do suffer with this disorder, and people do suffer with being found when under witness protection due to violating it thinking they are "safe". All the snowchester system did was create trust with people, use that trust, harass people and spread misinfo and harm.

Not only towards this community but endos. I am anti-endo but the way that system was when talking about endos did not put anything less than a big fat target on their back, I do not support or believe in endos but I do not believe they should be harassed for what they are saying. Yes, even if they believe you can sell headmates I just leave them alone and that is one thing snowchester system added onto, the hate towards specific pro-endo / endo identifying people.

I may start posting more educational content here if you wish to see anything specific, please send an ask but I would like to say that RAMCOA/OEA is real, cults are real and that comment was NOT needed. What ANY RAMCOA survivor went through is real and valid.-

-Cody

[theinfernalcollective]

Alright. At this time I will be making no comment on the snowchester-system blog being bait. All I will say is that I knew from a discord server that is now deleted. - Vayu

[collectivelyrabiddogs]

How can ramcoa survivors be pro-endo? You'd think other survivors would seriously think twice about supporting people who are faking a serious disorder *stares at the snowchester system*

I don't care about name dropping, this person spreads serious misinformation, supports endos, and is racist.

-HABIT

[the-song-system]

SO sorry if this is rude, but are you a bait blog like snowchester? Because we're extremely paranoid after their confession.

In short yes, this is a bait account. There was a plan to reveal all the blogs at once but the discord went to shit.

I genuinely do hope your okay after finding out about snowchester-system's bait account though.

[sophieinwonderland]

hey sophie. there's been a lot of sysmeds fakeclaiming my mutual @/snowchester-system for being a RAMCOA survivor and pro-endo. i thought sysmeds liked dx'd survivors

I got this ask over a week ago. I wrote up this draft the same day but I held off on posting it. Snowchester has now been revealed to be an anti-endo bait account organized by a former r/systemscringe member.

This isn't at all surprising to me.

Below is what I wrote at the time but never posted:

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I'm sorry. I'm not going to be weighing in on this.

As much as I want to stand by survivors in general, that account hasn't been up to two weeks and I'm seeing more red flags than a Soviet parade.

I would be suspicious of the claim to be diagnosed with ASPD at 15 when it's in the diagnostic criteria that you can't be diagnosed if you're under 18.

They claim that this is because their team decided they were a special case... but does that happen? Do doctors just decide to flat out ignore the criteria for a disorder in the DSM and diagnose it anyway even when the criteria isn't met? Because I've never heard of this happening.

The reason you don't diagnose certain disorders in minors is because symptoms of personality disorders could be things you grow out of. And especially if you're talking about someone who was literally just removed from a traumatizing situation, any rational person would realize that's likely to contribute to their behavior. The RAMCOA history should never be a reason to say "this is actually a super special case and we need to fast track their ASPD diagnosis." It should be a sign that you need to slow down and give them time away from their abusers to actually grow and process their trauma before diagnosing them with a lifelong personality disorder.

But fine, doctors are human, and humans are fallible. Maybe they shouldn't ignore a disorder's diagnostic criteria but I suppose it's technically possible they did anyway and diagnosed this when they shouldn't. Concerningly though, the user claims their "team" decided this, meaning multiple doctors were in on this bad decision.

I also find the mention of being diagnosed with "highly complex dissociative identity disorder" to be a bit suspicious as well since that's not a medical term. But again, let's say it's fallible doctors. It's technically possible they picked up a community term and just ran with it.

I mean, "multiple personality disorder" was never in the DSM, but it was commonly called that by doctors. (It was just called "multiple personality" in the DSM. Calling it "multiple personality disorder" created the weird misconception that it was a personality disorder when it was always categorized as a dissociative disorder. And I will find any excuse to mention this that I can because it's my favorite piece of DID trivia.) So yeah, technically possible.

Meanwhile, they're in the US witness protection program in Mexico. Something which, I suppose, could happen in the absolute most extreme cases if the feds decided nowhere was safe in the US, but is pretty difficult to setup since it involves cooperation between multiple nations now. Which is why witness protection doesn't usually relocate to other countries.

The fact that they're confessing to being in witness protection means they're already ignoring witness protection guidelines. Yeah, even if you are on an anonymous account, do you really think a dedicated hacker couldn't find a way to track you down?

What's worse is them mentioning that they're in contact with some of the other kids from the same cult, because THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE! Especially if this is an organization that is so sprawling and dangerous that Witness Protection moved them to another country, something which Witness Protection wouldn't normally do.

And at this point, I'd kind of prefer if they were lying. Because either they've made everything up... Or they are violating their witness protection deal and endangering not just their own life, but the lives of the other survivors they've kept in contact with. Because if somebody did track them down, they could then access their other social media accounts to track down the others.

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So that was the end of my draft as it was written. (The only edits I made being to add emphasis to certain words and correct grammar.)

I wonder if I did the right thing by not posting it. If I had, I might have been able to keep people from buying into very blatant lies.

But... I was concerned about the 1% chance.

What if they weren't lying? What if this was a real person who just happened to have literally the worst doctors in the world who blatantly ignored the diagnostic criteria of their patient? Who diagnosed them with disorders that were community-made terms? What if Snowchester really was just that stupid as to reach out to the other children from their cult? Because let's face it... kids can be really stupid sometimes.

Maybe the reason the story sounded so unbelievable wasn't because it wasn't true, but because literally everyone involved was just that unbelievably stupid and incompetent. It could happen. Sometimes in life, you run into people, even those with medical degrees and those that should be professional, who commit malpractice or are ignorant of things they shouldn't be.

So I held off, not wanting to risk fakeclaiming someone who could be telling the truth, however incredibly slim the possibility was.

Now, the problem with liars is that it can be incredibly hard to take anything they say seriously.

They claim that they organized this with u/Pomme-Pomme, the former owner of r/systemscringe. Is this true? I have no idea. It seems impossible to tell for certain. This could be yet another lie to cause infighting in r/systemscringe, since Snowchester seems to just be in it to create chaos.

But if they are telling the truth now, I just want to take a moment to comment on how hilarious the reasoning is for them going rogue from that group!

Hun, if you believe RAMCOA is an antisemitic conspiracy theory... why were you citing the ISSTD?

You do realize they're the group responsible for the so-called conspiracy theory, right?

If this is true, this is such an epic r/leopardsatemyface moment. Of course there was a falling out from you citing the group of doctor that you people have been demonizing and painting as conspiracy theorists the last year!!! How are you surprised by this???????

Anyway, this just leaves me with one final question for the anon. A question I've had in the back of my mind for the past week.

Was this you, Snowchester?

Because it feels like you. Or maybe someone from the same group.

On the off chance this was just a random person fooled by Snowchester, I'm sorry it turned out how it did...

But this ask just feels like an attempt at baiting me into this conflict.

And if it was... were you disappointed when I didn't respond?

You should know that I've ran my own anti-endo parody blog and have infiltrated an r/systemscringe Discord server. If you confused my willingness to give the benefit of the doubt with gullibility and picked me for an easy mark, I'm sorry to inform you that you've sorely misjudged me.

[syscoursebrackets]

hi :) i know you recently posted a list of who is all accepted nominations so far but i was wondering if we could get another soon? (also dissociative-misinfo deactivated recently, not sure if they withdrew/notified you before or not)

I’m happy to! Quite a few blogs have dropped out of the running, so it’s good to update folks!

youokaybro

pos-syscourse

thecircularsystem

quoigenicfromhell

Cambriancrew 

okiimii 

cavityinmybrain

Artisticdysfunction

thetentsystem

wondercourse

oopsallsyscourse

69constellationsinatrenchcoat

many-but-one 

shitty-proendo-blackout-posts

Seasidewanderers 

SophieinWonderland

The-Astrophel-System

syscoursebot

Hiiragi7

A-constellation-collective

Ellipsesociety

Ratinacoat

Aspd-goose 

Evil-marco 

Sysbrr 

Rottenteeth 

Forestdrifter

Thescreamcorner 

Forestsyscourse

Theinfernalcollective 

greens-spilled-tea

System-of-a-feather 

Solxxrsys 

discourse-by-candlelight

Syscourse-dialogue

The-sour-patch-crew 

T4lon 

Freezingcoldsystemtakes 

Syscourse-misinfo 

ecos-syscourse

circulars-singlet 

Nunyagenic 

Angels-wantme-dead 

Scarletbirdbrain 

Prose-among-the-trees

The-alarm-system

rare-average-system

starringmycoffee

Deleted: 

Dissociative-misinfo

Shadow-convoy

Snowchester-system

If I’ve made a mistake, let me know :)

[laetral]

i just saw @/snowchester-system’s post about being bait….

this is rwally disappiinting, i thought we were better than thia. i wabt to say that this blog is a safe space for any ACTUAL ramcoa systems, and just want yo remind y’all that you ate valid, you are real, you are supported. don’t listen to people like them, they’de just horrible. you’re better than them <3

(sorry for any spelling mistakes etc, i am so fucking drink rn. woohoo for say drinking(

[inlovewithairy]

Which asks do you believe they sent to themselves?

most of the anon asks. to be honest. especially the ones where they get triggered.

[starlitvases]

Hello,

I am the system that first pointed out snowchester-system's racism here on Tumblr. I want to say something to everyone who was affected by their actions, whether it be the racist actions, the RAMCOA/OEA bait, or both at the same time.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that we as a community are devastated by the bait account's actions, either because we fell for it or because we are acutely aware of the harm they have caused.

If you believed them and are now hurt, know that your feelings are valid. Many of us are vulnerable survivors and may miss the signs of dishonesty. It is not your fault. If anyone wants to let out their grievance, my DMs and asks are open.

I cannot overstate that their actions are inexcusable. Every bait account blog that is coming out as bait has a responsibility to take accountability for their actions. I acknowledge that many won't, but it's the truth nonetheless.

For systems of color, especially Latino systems, this message is for your specifically: you did not deserve to have your language and culture mocked. I speak as a Latina system when I say that I'm beyond disgusted that these bait accounts didn't see the harm in being discriminatory towards our community in their goals. Our culture is rich, expressive, and valuable. Our culture never deserved to be made a mockery, especially in a community that has deep trauma. As I've stated before, anyone affected by these bait blogs' actions is welcome in my DMs or my Tumblr asks.

I think it's important to dispell some of the myths these accounts have made. Here are some of the highlights:

1. You can be racist against an ethnic group you're also a part of. This is called internalised racism. Snowchester-system claims to be Puerto Rican and therefore cannot be racist against Mexicans. Pushing negative stereotypes against Mexicans is still a racist action. Being Puerto Rican does not change this.

2. Scripts are rarely used because of the time and resources they require. They take a long time to input into a child and an even longer time to develop a useable script at all. Many groups do not have the resources needed to implement a script into a child. Scripts also need to be implemented early. They cannot be implemented after the ages of 4-5 due to normal child development. A child at and after these ages will start to separate fantasy from reality and will likely be able to determine that the script being presented to them isn't real. For this reason, scripts need to be implemented starting very early, preferably very shortly after birth. When implementing a script, it needs to be uncomplicated, short, and believable to an infant. Long and complicated scripts are extremely unlikely to stick to a child.

3. Witsec is highly unlikely to move someone outside of the US due to jurisdiction complications. They also very much would not move someone to a country where international ties are fragile, like Mexico. People in Witsec are not allowed social media as this breaks anonymity and increases the risk of being discovered.

I highly encourage people to do their research if you suspect someone to be lying. These bait accounts are a tragedy for everyone involved, but we can still learn from it. I hope that as a community, we can all heal from this.

[christdeer]

Is anybody actually surprised the snowchester system shit was bait this entire time

[oopsallsyscourse]

IT'S AN ACTUAL THING???

Well snowchester system admitted to being bait, specifically a joke made with ex owner of syscringe. Multiple accounts were made for this. So maybe not syscourse as a whole but definitely system spaces.

And it's not like this is the first time syscringe has invaded system spaces. I actually joined the old syscringe server on an alt and warned servers about raids as they were happening.

I would join the official discord to investigate what they're up to, but I don't have a reddit account that isn't connected to my plurality, and I'd rather not have their mods going through my post history.