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Actually still seeing people say stuff like “maybe the adlockers & sherlollies were right about sherlock being hetero-“
BOY. When did we say that? Who the hell is saying that?? Cause from where this adlocker’s sitting, sherlock is the most bisexual character on the show. He’s queer as hell. Man’s straight as a slinky. As bi as a bicycle.
…….Oh but I forgot that doesn’t actually count, because the only queer identities that are queer enough to count in their minds are gay men they can ship with other men without female interference. Right. My bad. Silly me thinking women had any place in the equation.
#going on bbc sherlock Twitter was a mistake now I’m pissed#these j*hnlockers assume a whole hell of a lot don’t they#anti tjlc#anti johnlock#Adlock#sherlolly#fandom wank#fandom discourse#sherlock discourse#bbc sherlock#bisexual erasure#once again#as an irl bisexual…………. I’m tired
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my favorite gender is men finding out about the concept of shipping non-canon ships
#fandom#shipping#shipping discourse#tiktok comments#stucky#cherik#poolverine#johnlock#destiel#stony#drarry#marvel#sherlock bbc#xmen#amy talks#deadpool and wolverine#wolfstar#jegulus#tomarry#dinluke
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Why do you (as in the royal you) as a member of a fandom,, seem to believe that things need to be,,, canon??? in fanfiction??? why would? that ever be? if you wanted to read pure canon, you could,,,, idk,,, read canon? pick up the source material,,, and if you wanted to read pure canon fanfiction just search the ‘canon compliant’ tag. that’s how ao3 works. so silly.
#was it canon when sherlock holmes and his little gay boy kissed on the hogwarts express? prolly not i wouldnt know#i’m not in that fandom#discourse#<- prolly#dcu#batman#would tag the character this is abt but many would hate me if i did that im afraid#batfam#fandom#fanfic#batfamily#batfanon#dc comics#fanfiction#tim drake#timkon#damian wayne#batkids#superfam#they’re involved#like ‘there should be more canon compliant works’ valid criticism there r not a lot#but ‘i hate that anyone writes fanfiction that’s ooc or inaccurate to canon’ is giving old man screaming at clouds energy rn
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Alright, so. I've got little time and some ideas, so I'll do a brief thought process on the death of Sherlock Holmes in 1893, and the fandom as a whole.
Firstly, getting this out of the way. Sherlock Holmes was not the first modern fandom. That honor most likely goes to Charles Dickens and his work, especially the Pickwick Papers. There is evidence and record that fan merchandise, like joke books, tobacco, and shoe horns, were made with Pickwick Papers characters, especially Sam Weller.
However, Sherlock Holmes is probably our first instance of a global fandom where consequences quite literally created a literary and cultural firestorm. This isn't an exaggeration.
ACD's relationship with Holmes is... strange. Of course, he wanted to kill off Holmes, and move onto other books. (Historical novels, mainly, or Spiritualist manifesto), but there was always a love hate relationship, and we see that most predominantly through fan letters.
Almost immediately after Holmes’s death in 1893, there was shock. Scandal. Mourning. Fans exchanged letters in newspapers, trying to reach out to other fans to figure out what just happened, and what to do next. Holmes was dead. And for all anyone knew, so was the series.
So how'd they cope?
By creating communities. Discourse communities, to be more apt. They exchanged letters, asked questions, and talked through newspapers. Each one plucked from 1893 and 1894 show grief and confusion: for a fictional character.
People even started seeking out Joseph Bell, the man who inspired Holmes, in order to try to fill the void. There's even record of fans venturing to Reichenbach Falls in costume to pay tribute to their fallen hero. And this kept happening. For years. The world lost not just a character, it was their friend.
Keep in mind! Victorian literature was a family affair. Many people would gather around and read stories and books together, so the firestorm went further.
Until, it made ACD change his mind, and bring back Sherlock Holmes. (Can we call it bullying? Perhaps. I call it a unique circumstance of cultural phenomena.)
So where does it leave the fandom?
Ah, that's the question. This fandom, uniquely, has a distinct honor of being one of the oldest living discourse communities, an exchange of reader response, engagement, and including even more material.
So to the fans: from the fanfic writers, to the game makers, to the cosplayers, to the fans of adaptations near and far, to the editors, to the artists, to the dreamers and thinkers...
It is, given the nature of the fandom, that you are all a part of history, as part of one of the oldest(and still going!) Fandom discourse communities.
Keep that in mind. And keep going. 🙂
#sherlock holmes#acd canon#acd holmes#acd watson#granada sherlock#granada watson#the sherlock holmes fandom is REALLY old#But you are also part of probably the oldest living fan discourse community#and i think thats beautiful#Idk if I can tag all the adaptation fandoms but#Here is a few#bbc sherlock#sherlock and co#soviet sherlock holmes#basil rathbone sherlock holmes#peter cushing sherlock holmes#the great mouse detective#moriarty the patriot#granada sherlock holmes#enola holmes#to everyone else i didn't tag#You apply here too.#You are a part of history.
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sometimes, i forget that people ship sherlock holmes with characters other than watson. genuinely startles me
#objectively speaking#holmes and watson are literally meant to be#cant forget abt mary too#however#everyone is entitled to their opinion#but come on#those two#theyre meant to be#holmes wouldnt be happy with anyone else :((#sherlock holmes#acd sherlock holmes#john watson#acd canon#acd holmes#sherlock holmes/john watson#holmes/watson#johnlock#ac johnlock#acd johnlock#canon johnlock#gay#bisexual#character ships#shipping discourse#rarepair#fandom ships#ah the joys of shipping two internationally recognized characters who are also 130+ years old
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He brightened and rubbed his thin hands together as he listened to the meagre but remarkable details. A long series of sterile weeks lay behind us, and here at last there was a fitting object for those remarkable powers which, like all special gifts, become irksome to their owner when they are not in use. That razor brain blunted and rusted with inaction. Sherlock Holmes's eyes glistened, his pale cheeks took a warmer hue, and his whole eager face shone with an inward light when the call for work reached him.
'His whole eager face shone with an inward light' oh Watson you besotted darling
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shout out to Sherlock Holmes the most aspec character to ever aspec. And shout out specifically to people who view his and Watsons relationship as a qpr I am kissing your forehead
#IF I FIND DISCOURSE ON THIS POST I WILL TURN THIS CAR AROUND#bbc sherlock#granada holmes#acd canon#Honestly all the canons???#granada canon#My posts
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I’m kind of glad tumblr “died” because it means this website is now mostly populated by adults who survived the fandom insanity of the early to mid 2010s and are now much more chill for it. Sometimes I see teenagers getting into fandom discourse on TikTok or Twitter and am immensely grateful that this site is no longer the primary stage for vitriolic fandom fervor
#tumblr#fandom discourse#fandom drama#the marauders#harry potter#doctor who#supernatural#bbc sherlock#superwholock#hamilton#iwtv
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it doesn't matter what people in the "fandom" think - keep doing whatever the fuck you want
they say your fan art is cringe? it doesn't matter
they don't think you should be writing THAT type of fanfiction? it doesn't matter
they have some sort of moral objection to a ship you like or a personal head cannon or something else you enjoy? it doesn't fucking matter
just do whatever you want
don't bother having tedious "discourse" about it, don't bother trying to justify yourself to anyone, and don't get stressed out over strangers on the internet who want to police the way you interact with your favorite media.
I say this as an old woman who has used Tumblr on-and-off for the past 10+ years. None of it matters. The petty arguments, the rules and guidelines they try to impose on you, the self-righteous call-out posts about innocuous bullshit - tune it all out. it doesn't matter, it never mattered, and it never will.
#fandom#Tumblr#discourse#time to tag every fandom I have ever dealt with#sherlock fandom#supernatural#fan art#fanfiction#fanfic#doctor who#harry potter#MCR#my chemical romance#steven universe#pro shipping#shipping discourse#sleep token#ghost#fall out boy#taylor swift#slipknot#anime#anime fanart#online community#fan community#fandom bullshit
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Aimé Césaire saying that colonization works to decivilize the colonizer truly lives in my head rent-free
#this is the essence of the v problematic anticolonial critique in so much 19thc literature (eg heart of darkness) right?#(and also its more modern inheritors eg apocalypse now and the Doing An Imperialism Makes Our Soldiers Sad genre of war story)#it glosses right over the crucial 'systems of rapacious cruelty are bad IN THEIR OWN RIGHT BECAUSE BROWN PEOPLE ARE HUMAN' bit#but in that one limited sense - that cruelty also brutalizes the perpetrators - it is very much the same critique#anyway i guess my brain continues to find ways to circle back round to discourse on colonialism no matter the initial topic#lit tag#no more war#imperialism#imperial violence always comes home#cultures of dissociation#aimé césaire#i am also choosing to tag this#sherlock holmes#as like solidly 98% of the stories in which the murderer is a former colonial officer or official are ROILING w this exact anxiety#(especially the hella racist ones. lol.)#i mean loads of authors in that time period are doing it but i have a tag for acd so.#my posts
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so this thought isn't very well formed yet but I wanted to know how the people who's been on here since circa 2012 thinks about how the nature of fandom discourse has changed or stay the same. How does the new good omens/ofmd/what we do in the shadows (??? is that the third one???) triumvirate stack up with 2012 OG superwholock whose name I can finally say out loud without wanting to lock myself in a fridge? Is it as insane? does it even qualify? To me I think it doesn't because like. tumblr really is the best site out there for fandom culture and I know there's a whole lot of very hot takes in the ofmd fandom being made on tiktok or insta now instead, and i've dipped my feet there a bit, and it doesn't feel the same. idk. superwholock entrenched every corner of this shithole to the point it leaked out to other sites. but sometimes i see posts there like 'i've never watched a show before that has altered my brain chemistry this much' and the james franco "first time?" meme pops in my head and how time is a circle that is, in this case, a decade long lol. what are we thinking about the recent generation of discourse.
#fandom#fandom culture#tumblr culture#fandom discourse#good omens#ofmd#what we do in the shadows#wwdits#our flag means death#discourse#go#superwholock#UNHOLY#supernatural#sherlock#doctor who#in terms of show creator's attitude towards its fanbase tho truly rip the superlock fandom lol GO and ofmd has it waaaay better#does that affect the discourse?
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I hate the last season of BBC Sherlock not because it was bad but because it was bad and it tricked me into thinking I was stupid. "why cant I really follow whats going on here I must be dumb" no you're just 12 and also its not very good TV. not a matter of your intelligence, really.
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Reblog for bigger sample size! Based on this post by @rigorwhoring
Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3
#ao3 fanfic#ao3feed#archive of our own#ao3#wattpad#ffnet#fanfiction.net#fanfic writers#fanfic writing#fanfic readers#fanfiction#fanfic discussion#fanfic discourse#fanfic meme#ao3 memes#ao3 my beloved#ao3 writer#steve rogers#tony stark#sam winchester#top 3 after dean lmfao ofc ofc#sherlock holmes#orv#jeon jungkook#stiles stilinski#draco malfoy#destiel#stucky#HOLY FUCK SAM/DEAN IS 10TH PLACE FOR MOST FANFICS ON AO3 D: I regret looking this up holy fuck#ben solo
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self care is blocking ppl who complain abt gloria scott and whine abt how theyre no longer listening to s&co bc of the (not even comfirmed romantic) johnmariana implications
#sherlock and co#look#not to feed into the discourse#its fine to watcg the show just for johnlock but STILL#it just seems so shallow??? to hate on a show??#and stop watching??#just cuz ur ship isnt canon???#dont get me wrong id do anything for canon johnlock#but like!! theres more to the podcast that just romance!!#ok yeah rant over#putting my phone down and going to touch grass or whatever
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She criticism on my media til I'm literate
#this is stupid i know i know but it came to me while forming Opinions about some media-related discourse lmaoooo#media literacy#fandoms#fandom#tagging some shows ive watched#ofmd#fallout#bbc sherlock#spn#supernatural#etc etc#media criticism
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Remember when people used to get into honest to god online wars over who was the top and bottom in a pairing... As if those are essential immutable characteristics. Maybe they take turns sometimes 🙄
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