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tea-with-evan-and-me · 1 year ago

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Hi, I have seen that you have had some conversations about Evan's sexuality, and what I am going to say is just a reflection, don't think it is against anyone. Honestly I have not been a social media person in my teens, I started to get familiar with them since my 20', but I could notice lately, maybe others did it before, that there is a worrying obsession towards the sexual orientation of celebrities and it is really creepy to see how some people take an obsessive stance towards this. I think we already have more than clear that being gay, lesbian, bisexual, etc has absolutely nothing wrong with it, but what is wrong or at least from my opinion is that some people think they can or have the right to assume about people's sexual orientation, the truth I haven't seen that much in Evan's fandom, but I will put as an example Taylor Swift whose music I started to listen since 2019 and I like it a lot, and is that in her fandom there is a group of fans they call "gaylors" and they believe and insist I would say, in the idea that Taylor is a lesbian or bisexual, which obviously would have nothing wrong, but she said in an interview and I'm paraphrasing that "I support a community I don't belong to" but still saying this, these people insist on her idea and put together a whole speculation and endless theories based on what, song lyrics, things she posted on social media years ago, things she said or didn't say or behaviors practically turn anything she does into a theory or sign, of course the rest of fans do too but this is specifically about her sexuality, even if they were right it's not something they should talk about, I think it's something intimate and only the people in question should talk about their orientation at the time they decide to do it or how they want to do it. When we follow a famous person, we do it because we like their way of being or thinking or their personality and values, their orientation is completely irrelevant because it doesn't matter if that person is gay, straight or bi, they will still be the same person, we can discuss about their work or whatever is within reach of our eyes or their relationships because obviously it is something public, but discuss, speculate or assume about something they haven't even talked about openly or publicly is going too far, or how some people obsessively cling to the idea that their idols are gay or lesbian just because they perceive them that way, as if it's really a relevant reason to follow someone and I've seen this behavior in other fandoms and saying something about it means you get attacked or accused of being homophobic. And no, someone's behavior or any way of being has nothing to do with their sexual orientation, some people need to stop perpetuating stereotypes. Sorry the text is long, but I felt I had to say it since this topic has come up.

no need to apologize! thank you for sharing your thoughts. over the past decade plus, i have seen how the concept of “shipping” same sex, apparently hetero real life people (celebrities) has spawned into creepy, conspiracy theory levels within fandoms. i’m not saying that there isn’t a chance that every once in a while people are right, but the way folks go about it and even go out of their ways to make sure the people they’re talking about know they believe and obsess over this stuff is insane. it’s intrusive and creepy, and it’s mostly het women who fetishize gay men. see: the one direction fandom with harry and louis. totally fine to think the idea of them together is hot or believe something was going on there, but you don’t need to tweet them 500 times that you know they’re secretly in love. the whole gaylor thing too, with her and karlie kloss. even though i strongly dislike taylor, trust me.. if she came out as a lesbian, as a gay person i would be thrilled. but that will never happen. and now you have the queer-identified teenagers of twitter assigning identities to real people who have NEVER claimed to be part of said community. so i totally understand, it is a clusterfuck.

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skippy-reads · 3 months ago

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Episode #1:

Iris Kelly Doesn't Date • Ashley Herring Blake

(and by default, its predecessors)

⚠️This book is +18⚠️ Final Rating: 3/10

Disclaimer: Citations will be blurry and crooked, I read a vast majority of this at work with a flimsy paperback library book and sent these to my friends before turning it in and THEN decided i wanted to write a review. Tangents will be in pink

I understand it might be strange to start a book review blog with the finale of a three book series, but rest assured, I read the other two last year and found them to be mostly mid. Boring characters, boring plot, likes to play Queer Utopia dressup games.

One Book: Three Titles

Blake has this...affinity for this specific dynamic of relationship. I'm going to avoid speculating on why, as it's first and foremost not my business and second, not relevant. She is openly bisexual, white and (as far as I know) cisgender.

Each Bright Falls installment features the exact same couple; one lesbian, white, late 20's to early 30's, as gender nonconforming as women's clothing section during pride month or Woxer ad, skinny. She's paired with a bisexual woman, also white, also skinny, also cisgender, high femme and the same age as the lesbian, if not older by a few years, as is the case with IKDD. (I don't remember details like this from DGDC and APDF)

The only slightly notable exception to this would be Jordan Everwood, Astrid's girlfriend from the second book, who the group refers to as "soft butch" at the beginning, as if a short hair style and a buttonup makes someone butch. As if Blake knows anything about the butch experience.

I wouldn't go as far as to say she has no true nonbinary friends, but I highly doubt they've had conversations about what it's like to be trans, what dysphoria feels like, what being trans feels like every single day, and if they have, Blake doesn't care enough about them to make an effort to include them in her stories.

The other exception to this would be Jordan's love interest, and the titular character Astrid Parker. I'm of the opinion that Blake doesn't know her own characters well enough. Astrid Parker is a lesbian, and the book would have been better if this were the case, canonically. I could go on, and I might, but long story short, Astrid experiences comphet at multiple times throughout her life that are textbook lesbian.

She says herself that she never actually liked any of the men she dated and only dated them in the first place for her mother's approval, and has only ever felt romantic love for Jordan, another woman. When she's desperate for advice about her sexuality, she doesn't turn to her best friends of twenty years, two bisexual women, she runs to her estranged step sister, Delilah. They've only recently mended their bond as of a year ago, but what I picked up on is that Delilah is a lesbian, the only lesbian in their group. Astrid is asking for sexuality advice from a lesbian, and doesn't walk away even considering she might be one as well.

Astrid never even calls herself bisexual at any point in any of the books, our only confirmation for this being Blake's twitter with illustration and pride flags. Having a femme lesbian and a double lesbian couple would add a CRUMB of diversity to your main cast of the same cisgender sapphics and would prove that Blake is capable of writing any other kind of sapphic relationship, but alas. This post is not about Astrid.

It's about Iris

I'm gonna be honest; I knew I wasnt going to like this book when I started it. Iris is my least favorite from the Bright Falls friend group, and I dreaded every time her name was mentioned in a chapter. She is loud, vulgar, annoying, and I struggle to think of any reason why her friends keep her around.

That's not to say I kept this opinion by the end of the book. I actually grew to like her more. Surprising, I know! I like that she reads, I like that she draws. I do not believe that her character is a writer, as she is wholly incapable of writing her own novel, just copy and pastes what she and Stevie do and publishes it to a roaring success. Steven King would be proud, Blake. And for her debut novel, of all things! She didn't have a single word written before she met Stevie, and I believe owes Stevie ownership of the IP and a cut of the profits.

So who is Stevie?

Aside from the love interest in a Bright Falls romance, Stevie is no one.

Alright, let's try and be fair. Stevie is an awkward lesbian in her late twenties that struggles to not be defined by her anxiety. However, Blake has done the exact opposite to her character.

Her story begins with her six months after a six YEAR relationship ended after a steady decline of about a year, and is so horny and touch starved that she's "accidentally" nuzzling her ex's neck and sniffing her hair.

We're told she's a "very good" actor by Juilliard graduates and her professors, that her only escape from her debilitating (medicated) anxiety is on stage.

Stevie isn't allowed to be anything other than anxious, blushing, awkward. She has panic attacks in place of character development, fights with her friends who believe she isn't capable of making decisions for herself. Every mistake/decision she makes is excused, explained or justified by her anxiety. When Ren, her best friend, asks why she likes Iris, one of Stevie's first answers is that she "helps work through" her anxiety, who isn't a professional by the way, and anyway Stevie is supposed to be medicated. What are her pills doing if she still has panic attacks this frequently? Why is she not scheduling appointments to get on a different medicine that actually works for her?

This anxiety disappears after her and Iris "work through" her issues, and also disappears after she and Iris have a good fuck.

Telling Instead of Showing

The most emblematic issues I have with IKDD, from a writing stand point, is what Blake chooses to prioritize.

We don't get to see any of these dates. We don't get to see these characters that have spent the entire book falling in love FALL IN LOVE. This is chapter 28, and it begins with a highlight reel of all the amazingly romantic places that Stevie is taking Iris, and we get to see one single sentence of it. There are references to these dates in later parts of the book, but there isn't anymore detail given beyond what you're seeing now.

We're told that this is an argument, that Stevie has never seen these two "bicker" like this, when this exchange reads like a complete regular misunderstanding. Even something as simple as Adri snapped before Van could finish her sentence. or Van asked, genuine confusion coloring her facial features. could have indicated that there is any other emotion other than a hint of misunderstanding. But no, Iris interrupts and the conversation is over.

Again, why don't we see this conversation?? What would you rather be writing in your romance novel other than your leads falling more and more in love?? I understand we can't see every 'walk along the beach' conversation, but why even mention? And then we continue to another dialogue exchange anyway!

Is it because Blake would rather be writing smut scenes??

No, she doesn't seem to really wanna write those either.

So What Else is in the Book?

Our story begins with a chaotic family reunion with the Kelly family, where we're treated to information dump as each and every single one of her siblings, their spouses and their children are named, described and given dialogue within the first two pages. I don't remember a single name of any of them, and they only showed up again near the very, VERY end. Blake does this twice.

At least the theater group comes back two or three times, even if they only get one line a piece between them, IF THAT. This screenshot also leads me to my second biggest issue:

Blake doesn't want to write people of color

Notice how each new character introduced is described with race first, even the white character. This is actually unique to this section, as you typically know a character is white by the lack of mention of race, as opposed to the inclusion. Characters of color are always always described as their race first and foremost, and very rarely receive any other descriptors aside from it. A black man with a septum ring, a black man with glasses, a brown skinned person with--etc. With the lack of diversity in her main cast and this, frankly, infuriating attempt at having a diverse BACKGROUND cast, I've come to the conclusion that Blake is terrified of writing outside her comfort zone and just so happened to find an audience that doesn't give a fuck.

A lot of white people, myself included, are afraid of 'messing up' when writing a non-white character, but this excuse ceases to be valid after you've written three adult romance books, and multiple YA's. At what point are you ready to challenge not only yourself as a writer, but your biases as a white person? As an ally? This isn't at all helped by Blake's usage of words such as "mop" to refer to a POC's hair, or "creamy" when referring to her white character's skin (multiple times!).

I would not recommend this book to any self respecting person of color. You deserve a book that sees you, or is made for you or at least respects you enough to TRY, and learn from mistakes rather than not even bothering in the first place.

Blake doesn't know how to write LGBT+ people either, which is baffling to me. The story is ABOUT Iris Kelly not wanting to form romantic relationships, it's the title of the fucking book. Aromantic people aren't even mentioned until about the halfway point (i wish i would've grabbed a picture) and Iris explicitly tells Stevie that she is NOT aromantic, that she knows she isn't, and that aro people don't need to have their identities shit on, but I have to ask, what is this then?:

Iris has had this spiral, like, six or so times over the course of the book. She gets in regular fights with her friends about how she doesn't need anyone, and her relationship with her mother is strained at the moment because she keeps insisting that Iris hurry up and settle down. Her friends give her the same business, and Iris has the same freak out. The character arc of Iris Kelly is that she loudly, proudly, refuses to form romantic relationships, but says in plain english that it has nothing to do with people on the A-spec.

This book could have been wonderful if it took this premise seriously. Imagine an ending where Iris Kelly DOESNT Date, actually doesn't date. She does the fake dating thing with Stevie, and it re-solidifies her new aro identity. Stevie understands, doesn't catch feelings and they become friends, good friends, hell BEST friends. It might come across that Blake cares about her own community, cares about showing real love and making real strides towards representation, but instead, she looked the aromantic community right in the face and told them "This story is not about or even for you."

It's alright though! Because trans people get the same fuck you! Half of the book's settings and conflict are about a local theater production of Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing, where the director has taken liberties with the cast and made every character queer. Blake thinks this makes her God's gift to the community, and sucks herself off every time the play gets mentioned.

Adri, the director, is given heaps of praise from our main characters about how "powerful" this is, how "beautiful" this representation is, and how much we really needed it. Maybe I'm the Scrooge McDuck of queer books, but does this seriously impress people? Is anyone over the age of 22 feeling seen and touched by this? Because all I taste is cardboard and empty promises. If you need to tell us over and over again how good the representation is in your text, maybe you should have taken an extra few months to come up with another draft. Maybe you should roll your sleeves up and get your hands dirty with actual representation.

Ashley Herring Blake is not God's gift to the sapphic romance section. She's an amateur author who writes the same book over and over again and is lavished with blowjobs from the majority for it.

#iris kelly doesn’t date #booktok #bookstagram #bookblr #sapphic romance #queer romance #lesbian #bisexual

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sharp-rosee · 4 months ago

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The number of people speaking out against that group of blackpills isn't any bigger than the blackpills themselves and the people that encouraged them.

Why treat that disgusting behavior and harassment of rape victims as inconsequential, but treat the women speaking up about it as some horrible failing, if your dismissal is based on it being a "small number of users"?

And of course you as a het woman have no opinion on your buddy saying that caring about studies on bisexuality is cringe and useless because they don't benefit her specifically. A lot of people don't even believe bisexuality reallys exist, how are we supposed to organize and do anything if we have no data, especially when people are insistent bisexual experiences don't matter? Both of your stances on bisexuals seems to be that if we get raped, abused, or harassed we shouldn't act uppity and act like it means anything.

I hate how everyone just loves to skim what's said and make up what is being said instead so they don't have to process what is actually being said. None of this is a horrible failure on eeeevil gross bisexuals, actually. I've never said that nor implied that, and if you want to come into this discussion assuming everything said in disagreement is said because I don't believed bisexuals are raped or abused and I think victims are being Dramatic, then I have nothing more to say to you specifically, because I have no time to argue against things you are making up in your head to argue about. For the rest of the audience:

She perfectly explained that the study on bisexuals could be inaccurate as women tend to misreport their sexuality as bisexual after being assaulted by men because, as you are well aware, there are also a lot of people who think that rape can turn a lesbian into a bisexual, which this accusation has happened countless times in our spaces, also by the same women who are targeting bisexual women.

I don't deny these blackpill women exist; its just that it's the same group of like 5 blogs that lost relevancy and are only kept alive by others who remember what they did, which is fine- it's a good way to police our spaces.

However; I don't agree with the ideology that's being pushed that somehow we have a Big Issue with them in our space here. Like I've said myself, on my old blog, before it got termed, shortly after revealing my heterosexuality I got harrassing anons. And I ignored them. And they never showed up again. Because with any troll online, if you don't engage, they get bored. Why do you think they hide behind anons now? Everyone knows their URLs. So they harrass and send targeted messages to get engagement that they otherwise wouldn't get.

These blackpilled women accomplished exactly what they wanted: make fun of het-partnered women, hate het-partnerships so much that even lesbians raped by men are bisexual to them- and now they're going after bisexual women and specifically targeting them/het partnered women to further divide us because they hate men, they hate women- they're really just doomers who want to see all our discussions be silenced. And they love that you all now somehow twist this as everyone hating bisexuals when they are targeting everyone who has had any contact with a male before, and they're playing into that. They love how you are all thinking that this is a big huuuge issue of being opressed for being in a straight relationship/being bisexual in general because to anyone not online and anyone who has to face any real oppression IRL, they can obviously clock this as you all falling for bait. And the blackpillers know this and laugh every time.

And the worst part about this is that you're giving energy to them, believing the lie that radical feminists hate you and feeling distress over that, and think that anyone trying to talk you down and really think about why blackpillers are doing this is them just denying your experience and not caring about abuse or rape.

Like... idk how else to say it. I know somehow this will be misconstrued as me being biphobic, but I really think you should just... ban the IPs of these harrassers, LOG OFF, and take care of yourself. If you find yourself so easily swayed by a few anons from the same accounts, you really need to be putting your attention somewhere else online that isn't tumblr.

#radblr hypocrisy #radical feminism #radfeminism #radblr #terfblr #gender critical #radfem #terfsafe #radical feminists please interact #gendercrit

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sadhoglet · 1 year ago

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It wasn't entirely intentional, but over the last decade or so I've slowly been divesting myself from any media with men, and only interacting with men IRL when necessary.

It's been so healing and validating. Diving deep into womanhood, loving other women, living as a woman, and embracing everything feminine...I can't imagine going back now.

I feel like there's this unique connection, a kind of power, in women living only for themselves and other women. The fear and anxiety of potential violence, of being hurt, and of being isolated, is so much less. Of course, there are always going to be women who are violence, and hurt others, and abuse others, but less is better.

I've honestly started to feel less connected to bi women lately. Like, no shame or judgment or hate for what they do or who they are, but I cannot imagine willingly spending even a tiny amount of time or effort on a man anymore. It feels so distinctly different from who I am, who I want to be, and how I live. And with bi women, there will always be that part of our friendship, the part where men exist in their lives, where it's hard to relate.

I love all humans on an intellectual and rational level, but emotionally? Men are just....there.

I guess without meaning to, I've become that kind of lesbian. 😅 oops.

In the past, I've been that angry girl who said she hates men. I still am, sometimes. But at this point, it's like...I've experienced enough of men to know that even if 1 in 100,000 is okay, they're still only just okay. Not exceptional, not good, just okay. And meanwhile, amazing women are freaking everywhere. Why would I waste my short life trying to include men in my life, when it would take me a hundred times as much time and effort, and cause me a hundred times as much pain, as making a connection with another woman?

I don't think the word "bisexual" works for me anymore. If I am, it's like...0.1% of me. I am, for all intents and purposes, a lesbian now. And maybe I've always been. I want to spend my life loving women, and being loved by women. If men enter my life, it's purely incidental. I'm not going to actively seek out their companionship or connection. They exist, and that's the limit of their relevance in my life.

#about me #piggy thoughts #lesbian #transbian

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chrysalis-the-butterfly · 2 years ago

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Queer Ladies of Sonic the Hedgehog

The Sonic franchise doesn’t have a whole lot of romance. There’s the occasional ship tease, and that’s about it. And there definitely isn’t a lot of queer content.

However, there are some Sonic characters who have been confirmed to be LGBT+ in some way. It’s usually just a behind-the-scenes comment from someone working on the series, rather than representation in the story itself - but hey, it’s better than nothing.

I was interested in the women and girls in particular, so here’s all the (almost) canonically queer ladies associated with Sonic the Hedgehog.

Look under the cut to see the full list!

Sally Acorn is bisexual and Nicole the Holo-Lynx is in love with her.

Pre-reboot, Sally was Sonic’s girlfriend. Post-reboot, however, the writers place a greater emphasis on her connection with Nicole. This would suggest that Sally is bisexual.

Nicole loves Sally back, so - depending on whether you see her pre-reboot interactions with Shard and Espio as friendly or romantic - you could read Nicole as lesbian or bi.

At one point during the Spark of Life arc, Sally asks Big the Cat if he minds that Nicole isn’t organic like the rest of the Freedom Fighters. Big’s response is, “As long as they’re nice, I don’t care what anyone is.” This exchange could be read through a queer lens - in which case, Sally is checking to see if others are okay with her dating Nicole, and Big is suggesting that he’d accept them.

Ian Flynn has stated that he supported the Sallicole pairing and left subtle hints to it throughout the Archie Comics series. However, it wasn’t featured too strongly because he knew a large proportion of the Sonic fanbase would not accept Sally dating anyone other than Sonic.

Gold the Tenrec is sapphic.

Evan Stanley stated on her Tumblr blog @spiritsonic that she was “leaning towards either bisexual or lesbian” for Gold’s orientation. She added that Gold would crush on Blaze, Sally or Clove: “women who seem to have their s*** together”.

Gold’s sapphic identity was never established in the comic before it was cancelled. In the Silver Age arc, her only appearance, she was surrounded by boys and men - Silver the Hedgehog and Professor Von Schlemmer.

Clove the Pronghorn is a lesbian.

Aleah Baker has stated that Clove was intended to be written as a lesbian. Her conflict with Sally and Lupe had “a mix of admiration of their leadership with a bit of a crushing angle”; that was Baker’s mentality when writing.

However, there was “zero romantic angle” to Clove’s story, her lesbian identity was never acknowledged, and the comic ended before she could be put in a situation where romantic stuff would become relevant.

Tangle the Lemur and Whisper the Wolf are in love with each other.

The creative team at IDW Publishing is aware that people ship Tangle and Whisper, and has been leaning into it in subtle ways. For example, Whisper’s tail wags rapidly when Tangle puts an arm around her.

Flynn has explained that SEGA does not want the IDW comics to “go in-depth” with any romantic relationships - even Sonic and Amy are supposed to be “just very good friends”. So in a similar vein, Tangle and Whisper have to be written as “really, really, really, really, really, really the bestest of friends.” But hints are still being dropped.

Amy Rose and Tekno the Canary got married and had a kid.

In Sonic the Comic, Amy and Tekno were two Freedom Fighters and good friends who were sought out by the Ring of Eternity, a sentient dimensional warp which sent them on missions to right wrongs and fight injustice through time and space.

In an issue of the fan continuation Sonic the Comic Online which was co-written by Nigel Kitchen (someone who contributed to the original series), a glimpse into the future reveals that Amy and Tekno will settle down together and have a son, and that Sonic will be his godfather.

Given that Amy and Tekno also have a soft spot for the boys in their life (Sonic and Shortfuse, respectively), it could be said that they are bisexual in this continuity.

Rouge the Bat and Topaz had something going on.

When these two women first meet, Rouge asks Topaz what she likes to do with her handcuffs (a joke that was cut from the official English dub). She also teases Topaz about her age and weight.

However, it’s hinted that a more friendly, or even romantic, relationship has developed over time. When the portal to Sonic’s world is powered up, Rouge gives Topaz a gem - “a steal” from the jewellery store - as a parting gift. She then bids her companion farewell as she enters the portal, leaving Topaz weeping.

Rouge could be considered to be bisexual, given her canonical interest in both Topaz and Knuckles.

Emerald the Iguana is genderfluid, Crystal the Cat is bisexual, and Sapphire Flutterby is a lesbian. (And Jewel the Beetle might be a lesbian too.)

Emerald, Crystal and Sapphire are some of the “Jewel Crew” OCs created by Jennifer Hernandez. They have made cameos in the IDW series now that Hernandez is an official Sonic artist. And one year, for Pride Month, Hernandez posted a picture of the Jewel Crew waving various pride flags on Twitter. So I’m counting them as official queer characters. I know, it’s a bit of a cheat.

Three of Hernandez’s OCs are queer, and the other two (Jade the Cat and Ruby Ringtail) are allies.

One of the queer characters is Emerald, who is genderfluid. Emerald used to have she/her pronouns, but I don’t know if that’s still the case.

Secondly, Crystal (the pale pink cat) is bisexual, and Hernandez ships her with Mighty the Armadillo.

Finally, Sapphire (the butterfly) is a lesbian, and Hernandez ships her with Jewel the Beetle, as seen in her Patreon art. This could mean that Jewel is also a lesbian, or at least questioning her orientation.

And there you have it! All the (almost) canonically queer ladies of the Sonic franchise!

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unlikelyjedi · 2 years ago

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My Hero Academia Pride Headcanons (Pro Hero Edition)

If you'd like to see my headcanons for the 1-A kids plus Shinsou, it's linked here!!!

This is all about the Pro Heroes!!

Except, not all the Pro Heroes because that would be ridiculously long, and there are a lot of Pros I don't care about or just plain don't know what their sexuality would be.

You think I know the romantic trysts of a washing machine??

You think I know who Best Jeanist likes?? Mans too busy dying and resurrecting over and over to go on any dates.

So, this list will talk about only the Pros I'm interested in covering.

Disclaimer: These are my own thoughts and opinions. This is how I’m choosing to engage with this media in this post. There are other ways to engage with a chosen media and neither way of engagement invalidates the other. Art is subjective. Fandom is ultimately for fun! Don’t take me too seriously!

Now that the long introduction is out of the way:

Yagi Toshinori | All Might (he/him): Bisexual

Not only did All Might have an American Romance™️ with David Shield, not only did he have an on again/off again with Sir Nighteye, but I'm here to convince you that he is married to his Good Friend™️ Detective Tsukauchi Naomasa.

Go on, tell me I'm wrong. Why does this random police officer know the OFA secret when not even David Shield does, huh??? Tell me. You can't. They're married.

Oh and some people ship All Might with Midoriya's mom and that's valid, I guess. You do your thing, people!

I just don't think All Might is straight. I gave him the Bi-label arbitrarily. He could be pan or gay or something else feasibly. That's the fun thing about headcanons. you can make it the Fuck up!

(but I do like to be realistic within a certain parameter to how the character is written and I just think All Might and the Detective are sus)

Todoroki Enji | Endeavor (he/him): Straight

Some people write Endeavor as homophobic and while I think that's not an out of there interpretation, I think it's more nuanced.

I don't think he's homophobic in the outright hate sense. I think he's obsessed with power and lineage, and that manifests in his control of Shouto specifically.

So, if Fuyumi brought home a girlfriend or Natsuo brought home a boyfriend, it wouldn't be a big deal.

But Shouto bringing a boyfriend would be an issue because Endeavor wants the Ultimate Hero. To do what he couldn't do. That would be hard if his masterpiece brought a boy home.

This is beyond the scope of this discussion, but I do think Endeavor is allowed to atone for his mistakes and abuse. I don't believe he's afforded forgiveness from anyone he's hurt, and he absolutely deserves consequences, but Enji himself is allowed to do better and want to do better.

Where it's relevant to this discussion is I believe he'd drop that mindset against Shouto once he realized it was an overreach of his power and hurting his son. He'd eventually get to a point where he's not as controlling and not as much of an asshole.

Takami Keigo | Hawks (he/him): Bisexual

He's got the charisma! The flamboyance! The Trauma! He's Pro Hero Hawks! All the women and men swoon for him and he's got his pick of the market!

That is, if he actually had time. No, he's too busy making sure his city's safe. Too busy being held in a cage by a combination of Hero Commission conditioning and his own ideals.

Oh and let's not forget that he's spending all his off-hours at the behest of his side-job as a LOV spy.

It's a good thing one of their members is hot. Literally and figuratively. At least it gives him something to look at while he's trying to keep himself together, and oh no, he's caught feelings-

Usagiyama Rumi | Mirko (she/her): Sapphic

She's a lesbian. Most of the time. She likes girls. Loves them. Would date them.

So why is she sleeping with wanted criminal Shigaraki Tomura-

ijessbest on insta made me like this cursed ship so much!! To me, at least, it's a purely physical thing for both parties.

I think she's romantically and physically attracted to women, but also physically attracted to men?? That's my idea, anyway.

Aizawa Shouta | Eraserhead (he/him): Gay

Aizawa would be happy with just his cats and coffee, really, but he just had to like men. And specifically the loudest blond on the planet.

Aizawa absolutely had a crush on Oboro in high school. It's not clear what would've happened if he'd survived. Maybe he would have ended up with Oboro. Maybe they'd have split up. Maybe he was always meant to end up with Hizashi. Aizawa doesn't dwell on it. What happened happened and he wouldn't trade what he has now with Hizashi for anything.

Yamada Hizashi | Present Mic (he/him): Bisexual

On the opposite side of things, Hizashi laid eyes on the transfer student from the support course and was immediately smitten. He was not subtle about it either. He made Shouta a playlist, a playlist, and Shouta said "thanks, but I don't use spotfiy" and Hizashi cried for weeks. Nemuri won't let him live it down even to this day.

Years later, when Shouta asked him out, he nearly busted both their eardrums from the shock of it. He really thought all this time it had been unrequited, and he wasn't about to even attempt to bring up the idea of a relationship after Oboro.

Now they're happily married and Hizashi makes them do cute couple-y things together all the time. But not in front of the kids.

They're actually pretty subtle about it. Not even Midoriya picked up on it, and he picks up on everything. He only realized after Aizawa adopted Shinsou and noticed Hizashi also treating Shinsou like his own.

Kayama Nemuri | Midnight (she/her): Bisexual

Mostly men-attracted, but that doesn't make her any less bi. I also like the idea of her quirk working best on people who are attracted to her, not necessarily guys. I personally ship her with Ms. Joke actually.

Fukukado Emi | Ms. Joke (she/her): Lesbian

Emi (a lesbian) continually asks Aizawa (a gay man) to marry her because she finds it very funny! She likes annoying the shit out of Aizawa. But she likes women. When Emi asked Mic for his friend's number, Mic was about to have a fit before Emi explained it was Midnight's number she wanted. Mic quickly got with the program and (not-so-subtly) encouraged their relationship along.

Nishiya Shinji | Kamui Woods (he/him): Pansexual

As my Pan sister says: Everyone's eligible but none have applied. (or so he thinks)

I don't think he's had much luck with dating, despite being a pro. Is it because of his costume? Will he ever find love? He just hopes it's someone he likes and not someone egotistical like Mt. Lady. Could you imagine him dating her-

Tatsuma Ryuuko | Ryukyu (she/her): Lesbian

Lesbian Dragon Lady!!! Why, you may ask? Vibes. Would marry the Lesbian Dragon Lady.

Sakamata Kugo | Gang Orca (he/him): Aro/Ace

Despite his harsh exterior, he's really a people person, but not a relationship person. He'd love to make a queer-platonic connection and maybe raise a kid one day.

Takeyama Yu | Mt. Lady (she/her): Pansexual

Her ass is out for all genders. You know, like, "Nice to meet your assquaintance"?? No?? (I'm not tryna sexualize her I promise)

I think she's much more worried about ratings and numbers than a relationship. And if she did decide to start dating, she'd have her pick of the pool. She might like people regardless of gender, but she also has standards. She'd never settle for someone like Kamui Woods. Could you imagine her dating him-

Toyomitsu Taishiro | Fat Gum (he/him): Pansexual

He just loves who he loves. Comfortable in his sexuality and his body image. Truly someone to look up to.

Chatora Yawara | Tiger (he/him): Trans

Actually Canon!!! Tiger is a trans man!! It's so nice to see him open and visible! Even if it's just a small blurb. He's treated with respect by the narrative and I appreciate that!

That's it for the Pros!! Next time I'll tackle characters I've missed including some from the LOV and some students in other classes!

Until Next Time!!!

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referring to bisexuality as there being "some straightness left" is super biphobic

Yes, exactly. And that's exactly what people are trying to do when they can't shut the fuck up about "but he's unlabelled" or "maybe he also likes women"... who cares!!! Why exactly how he labels himself is so relevant? It changes nothing on his situation, he's not less queer if he's bisexual, he doesn't like dicks less, he's not less involved with Louis Tomlinson, he's not less closeted. Everything would still be the absolute same. But what people are trying to do is rely on him being bisexual because then MAYBE they don't have to admit how fucked up his situation is, maybe if he also likes women they can keep fantasizing about womanizer Harry Styles and pretending he doesn't have fake girlfriends since 2011 to hide who he truly is.

And let me tell you why I'm so pissed about this situation, anon, and that's why I'm answering you. You got me on the wrong day and a few of you need to learn who to read before saying shit and throwing terms like "biphobic" around. It's not surprising how Harry's fans are also part of the problem. I can't even tell you how many times in my life I was dating/with a girl and people were aware of it and then the minute I mentioned I was also sexually attracted to guys (for whatever reason) everything changed... I could see the "relief" in people's eyes. People say all kinds of shit when they find out you're bisexual "but you just have fun with girls right? you only date guys" or "you like guys better since you were married with one", I've heard this from family, friends, people I don't know... Like if maybe also being also in heterosexual relationships made it more "acceptable", less gay. And that's what people try to do you with you if you're bi, because people are homophobic as fuck, people don't want you to be homosexual, like it's something inconvenient for everyone, like it's a problem. So yeah this happened many many times with me... now, do you have any idea of how many times someone called me a lesbian and I correct them? Zero. Because I don't care, I'm proud of who I am, I love girls too, so calling me a lesbian would never be disrespectful. So if I was you I would be less worried about throwing terms like "biphobic" around without even knowing the meaning of it, and more worried about getting the head out of your fuking ass and realize that this is exactly what people are trying to do with Harry right now because they're afraid to accept he may be gay, afraid to say he may be gay, and then they will have to admit how homophobic and fucked up everything is.

#ask

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woman-loving · 3 years ago

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Hi! Is there any credence to the idea that "all wlw were called lesbians until radical lesbian feminists came along [thereby creating a divide between bi women and lesbians]"? I know you've expressed skepticism a couple of times but I can't seem to find the posts where you debunked (or at least nuanced) this?

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It's a total myth.

To begin with, it's easy enough to see that all women-loving women are called lesbians right now in this very day. Many people use "lesbian" to designate any and all WLW: either casually or seriously, occasionally or exclusively. People may sometimes use "lesbian" more broadly or as a shorthand, even while they use it more narrowly or precisely at other times and in conjunction with other categories. Many people probably agree that "lesbian/ism" is something different than "bisexual/ity," but may also see "lesbian/ism" as the only relevant category when focused on women loving women. There's an enduring perception that bisexuality and bi women are outside of women-loving, and that--if women-loving is ever real--it occurs in a "lesbian" subject.

A lot of people on here will say that "lesbian" shouldn't be used in this way, or that this is the "wrong" way to use it. I disagree, but in any case: how a word should be used and how it's actually used are different things.

You can also easily see that "lesbian" is also used to refer to only some women-loving women. I think it should be clear just from observation that "lesbian" doesn't have one perfectly exact, single understanding to all speakers at all times.

It's absurd, then, to think that there was one perfectly exact, single understanding of "lesbian" in the past, and then, over the course of a few years or so, there was a universal changeover to a different perfectly exact, single understanding. I think people draw on this simplified narrative because it can explain away unwanted disagreement. A lot of the time I'll see people use it to argue against a strict separation between "lesbians" and "bi women," attributing contention over these categories to bad guys who destroyed a previous harmony. Other people will use it to argue the reverse: that, for better or worse, an imprecise past has given way to a clarified distinction between "lesbian" and "bi woman" that is now beyond debate.

Neither version is accurate. "Lesbian" wasn't necessarily a frequently used term in past women-loving communities. For the categories that were in use (including "lesbian," when applicable), there was debate over their exact meaning and limits, as there is today. And people might use the term with slightly different meanings depending on the context. You can definitely see people defining categories like lesbian, female homosexual, or butch in terms of being unable or uninterested in sleeping with men (example, examples). Sometimes you do see the term "bisexual" used during and prior to the gay liberation movement, including by gay men or in mixed-gender gay groups (example, examples). This should suggest that there's something missing in the narrative that lesbian feminists single-handedly made "bisexual" a relevant category. You can also see writers continuing to engage with broader definitions of “lesbian” even during and after the 70s (see the quotes in this tag).

Also, this narrative isn't really based on how lesbian feminists in the 70s were using "lesbian." They did tend to contrast lesbian identity with bisexuality, and were generally negative toward bisexuality, but they arguably expanded the category of lesbian and opened it up to more women. Any woman could be a lesbian, according to some lesbian feminists, because lesbianism could/would result from a developed women-identified consciousness. Or consider Adrienne Rich's concept of the lesbian continuum, where "lesbianism" could be a lens for understanding a range of relationships between women. I wonder if people on here are basing their understanding of past lesbian feminism on present-day radfems/terfs, who often define lesbianism in more pseudo-empirical biologic terms, in order to entangle it with their sex essentialist, tranmisogynistic definitions of womanhood. (This is not to say that lesbians feminists in the past weren't sex/gender essentialist or transmisogynistic--Adrienne Rich praised Janice Raymond's polemic against trans women, for example--although this wasn't universal.)

Anyway, I also discussed this topic here and here, and touched on it here.

#what is a lesbian #thanks for the ask!

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leoleolovesdc · 4 months ago

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I think the musical verse tried to lean a bit away from the more explicitly gay text in the book (not necessarily completely erasing it? Maybe just making it more deniable and able to ignore) and I don’t think it’s really meant to be a thing and if it is it’s just a subtext that works as a could’ve been rather than anything relevant to the story

Now, when it comes to interpretations and how I think gelphie works/would work in that universe is having elphaba be bisexual, which, I mean, she has never been a lesbian, not even in the book, she does likes men and I think that’s something you can’t really deny (I’m pretty sure when people call Wicked a “lesbian love story” they mean more as in saphic people loving each other rather than two people who identify as lesbians), now I think that seeing musical Glinda as gay is the easiest thing in the world, though they try to make it seem like she really did love Fiyero it comes off as just something else that she uses as a prop to her mask/image rather than genuine romance. Glinda is really shallow and dedicated to how she looks to the people of Oz and that works very well with themes of hetcomp and façade marriage/relationships

The only way in which I could see Elphaba being a lesbian and exclusively attracted to women is if she somehow just really loves Fiyero as a friend and mistakes that for romantic feelings, but it's not really what the story seems to be implying and (imo, obviously) doesn't make for a very interesting narrative

Fiyero is there because he is Elphaba's lover through her adult life and his death and existence brings a lot the main character and her journey (kinda off topic but he really overstayed his welcome, I never understood wtf they were trying to achieve with making him the Scarecrow and running away with Elphie by the end, they should've let him stay dead and either have Elphaba run away alone or die like she did in the book)

Either way, in the book’s explicit text Elphie loved both Fiyero and Glinda and if in the musical that translates into just platonic love I think that’s fine, but it does border on queer erasure considering Elphaba says very clearly multiple times that she loves Glinda, kisses her and presumably slept with her in the way to Emerald City. Gelphie (as a relationship of any kind) isn’t really the main plot of the book or of the musical but it is one of the most interesting relationships in the story and to me it’s kinda obvious that the gays are Here For It

Tldr; I don’t think gelphie is meant to be canon in the musical, if the writers had it in mind when they wrote it was just a subtext or acknowledgement of the book. I do think it should’ve been considered tho, because taking two canonically queer characters who have feelings for each other and erasing that in an adaptation feels kinda icky

It always feels a little awkward to dip my toe into the Wicked fandom, because I'm one of the few people on earth who doesn't particularly love Gelphie as a ship. To most other online fans, it seems, the main raison d'etre and appeal of Wicked is that it's a "lesbian love story."

That's all well and good. Just because it's not a favorite ship of mine doesn't mean it's not legitimate. I know that Gregory Maguire has said that he wrote the novel's Elphaba and Glinda as sharing subconscious romantic feelings for each other. But the constant "lesbian" claim throws me. Is this just typical bi erasure, or is it actually possible to read the musical's Elphaba and Glinda as lesbians – exclusively attracted to women – and not as bisexual?

I can see the possibility on Glinda's side. Maybe she just thinks she loves Fiyero, but really Elphaba is the one she falls for, and when she thinks she's mad at Elphaba for "stealing" Fiyero from her, she might really be mad at her for choosing Fiyero instead of herself. But on Elphaba's side? I don't see how the plot would work if she doesn't sincerely love Fiyero. His apparent death is what breaks her and drives her to become "wicked," after all, and then (in the musical) the reveal that he survived is what pulls her back from that brink. If she doesn't really love him, then why should he exist at all? ("For the straights" isn't a good answer.)

So I'd like to know: if you ship Gelphie, to what extent do you think it's canon in the musical?

#gelphie #my thougts #elphaba thropp #galinda upland #glinda upland #wicked #wicked the musical #wicked musical #wicked the life and times of the wicked witch of the west #wicked book #elphaba #glinda #fiyero #shipping #poll #my interpretation #my wicked posts

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entity9silvergen · 3 years ago

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I recently asked reddit for some LGBT history from countries other than the US. Here’s what I got:

Germany

The Weimar Republic was surprisingly accepting of "alternative lifestyles."

During the Weimar Republic, Germany had a pretty active LGBTQ scene, with some major films and songs being produced, despite it still being illegal at the time. However, there was also a push to decriminalize homosexual behavior which sadly wasn't passed as the Nazis came to power.

This was based of two factors: after WW1 the authoritarian culture of Prussia sorta received a long overdue pushback. People were kinda sick of it, especially since these losers led them into a seemingly pointless war to begin with. Second: A LOT of men died in WW1 - and the army did not exactly prefer LGBT people. So with a lot of regular folks dead, the percentages of the total populace was sorta shifted. This also pushed the women's rights movements at the time for a similar reason.

Magnus Hirschfeld was helping trans people transition, crossdressers get crossdressing 'licenses', and generally advocating for and helping the LGBT community in the early 1900s in Germany. Nazis ended up raiding and burning down his research institute.

Hirschfeld was a gay polyamorous man. He was one of the first advocates for trans and gay rights but his work was destroyed by the Nazis.

The institute he headed even did the first modern gender affirming surgeries. The institute was destroyed and many people who were there (including the first known person to undergo complete MtF surgery) were killed by the nazis and the place was little more than bombed out ruins at the end of the war.

More information on the institute

Pre Nazi interwar Germany (Weimar Republic) was pretty open when it came to not only sexuality, but also gender identity. The Nazis put a stop to that & tried to destroy any & all research into either, but, for a brief moment, it was there.

Russia

Pretty sure all Russian LGBT history was erased before we even had a written language, but Russia almost got gay marriage legalized in the first soviet constitution (didn’t happen bc Stalin)

The early soviet period (pre-Stalin) is sometimes called “the first sexual revolution” as opposed to America’s “sexual Revolution” of the 60’s. Broad women’s suffrage, female employment and education, parental leave, advancement of GSM rights & decriminalization of abortion. This unfortunately did not stand the test of time & reactionary sentiment.

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UK/ Britain/ England

The lead singer of Judas Priest is gay. The commenter’s father thought it was kinda funny because it didn’t match with his biker aesthetic, but the commenter doesn’t think he considered how much leather he wears on a daily basis

Hell bent for Leather was a track off Killing Machine. It was written by lead guitarist Glenn Tipton (who is straight), but it's fun to find alternative meanings in Priest songs. A second commenter likes to pretend a lot of the lyrics Halford sings are gayer than they actually are.

A couple people mentioned how uncomfortable it was seeing Ru Paul interact with British drag queens because he barely knows anything about British culture.

Ru Paul got angry that a British drag queen hasn’t seen the Golden Girls because “it’s gay culture” and then not five minutes later someone had to explain to him who Alan Turing was.

Alan Turing, who was an incredibly noteworthy figure (He made the Enigma codebreaker machine, which broke the code that was used by Nazis during the war and basically sped up the war by a significant margin. He also set the foundations for artificial intelligence, one achievement he was named for: the Turing Test), was homosexual and prosecuted multiple times because of it

Shakespeare was probably bisexual (some of his sonnets had homoerotic subtext/were sent to a younger man). Plus, Hamlet is gay as fuck.

Sonnet 46 was very gay. Here’s a link!

King James 1st was corrupt and used his position to promote his gay lover to higher positions than he should've gotten.

The 13 year old king James 6th of Scotland and 1st of England fell in love with a 37 year old catholic Franco Scottish man. The king gave the older man so much free shit that other lords started getting salty and his lover ended up converting to Presbyterianism out of loyalty to his young lover. He also fell in love with a man who ''was noted for his handsome appearance as well as his limited intelligence.''

Clearly James was into himbos, and women too.

He had a secret tunnel connecting his bedroom to George Villiers’s bedroom.

His relationship with Villiers was basically common knowledge and a source of much amusement and mockery. He also once said that his relationship with Villiers was equivalent to the relationship that Christ had with John the Baptist

Much more recently, there's obviously JKR and the banning of puberty blockers and Margaret Thatcher opposing LGBTQ+ rights by passing a law meaning you couldn't 'promote homosexuality'.

Prince Philip was a racist twat (and probably a huge homophobe knowing him).

Gay marriage only became legal in 2014.

The Wolfenden Report was published in 1957, and it recommended the decriminalization of homosexual acts between consenting adults. It was a huge topic of public debate, and ultimately led to the Sexual Offences act of 1967, which legalized sexual acts between consenting men aged 21 or over in England and Wales (sexual acts between women were never explicitly criminalized). Scotland decriminalized sex between men in 1980, and Northern Ireland in 1982.

For a totally batshit real-life bit of gay history, check out the show A Very English Scandal. It's about a politician, Jeremy Thorpe, who put a hit out on his former lover who was threatening to go public with the fact they had had a relationship.

Austria

Gay marriage was legalized in Austria about 3 years ago. The worst thing is that it'd have staid illegal if the Supreme Court wouldn't have jumped in and declare it to be unconstitutional.

Austria did have something called "partnership" which was where gay couples could officially register with the state as couples but not receive any of the benefits of married het people

They still have super backwards Transphobic laws requiring for example "real life experience" to get even diagnosed. Basically you're forced to be and live as feminine/masc as possible and a doctor them judges if you're femme or masc enough. It's torture

Australia had widespread, over 60% approval of gay marriage for well over a decade before the government legalized it. The governments were actually going against the people for a very long time by denying it.

Taiwan/ Hong Kong/ Mainland China

When Taiwan recently legalized gay marriage, their official statement was something along the lines that they were casting off Western-imposed values and returning to their own traditional values and the entire western lgbt community ridiculed them in a "if that's what you need to tell yourself" sort of way but it's actually the truth.

Prior to western colonization, the Imperial Chinese attitude toward sexuality was not dissimilar to Greco-Roman attitudes in that a man must marry a woman to beget legitimate heirs but whatever else he does on the side is his own business. It wasn't until Victorian colonizers came along and imposed homophobic attitudes on China that China started treating gays like abominations. In Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Mainland China, as indeed most of the world, homophobia is a western value imposed by colonizers.

Bonus history: there is an actual saying in Arabic that was in widespread use across the Middle East and North Africa for thousands of years from classical antiquity until European colonization. The saying goes "Women are for babies, [young men] are for fun."

The commenter specifies that this means “college-aged twinks,” not children

Another commenter speculates about when homophobia arose in China and how. They also add that in Rome, bottoms were stigmatized.

There’s a story of Emperor Ai of the Han dynasty & him cutting off his sleeve for his boyfriend

There is also a god worshipped in Taiwan, the Rabbit God Tu'er Shen, whose domain is managing love and sex between same-sex attracted people. He is meant to be the incarnation of a soldier from the 17th century, who fell in love with an imperial inspector and spied on him bathing, and was tortured and killed by that official because he was offended by the spying. A villager from the soldier's hometown dreamed that Tu'er Shen appeared to him and said that because his crime had been love, he had been appointed to manage the affairs of gay people. The villagers erected a secret temple to the soldier, and people have been praying to him ever since.

South Africa

South Africa became the first nation in the world to explicitly prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation in its constitution. It was also first country in Africa to legalize same sex marriage in 2006. What really set them back for so long was apartheid.

There is some speculation that that Shaka Zulu was gay since he never took any wives

South Africa's post Apartheid constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation in 1996.

South Africa was also the 5th country in the world and only country in Africa to legalize same sex marriage in 2005.

Even before that the Constitutional Court ruled that sexual orientation was not relevant when deciding child custody in 2002.

Transgender folks have been allowed to change their sex in the population registry since 2003.

Conversion therapy is not illegal yet and public opinion still needs some work.

Spain

In Spain gay marriage was legalized in 2005, now they are considered one of de gay-friendliest countries in the world. The commenter is a lesbian and has never been closeted or directly experienced discrimination for being a lesbian.

In July 2005, Spain became the third country in the world to explicitly legalize gay marriage, after a thirty-year struggle following the fall of Franco's dictatorship, during which most activism was carried clandestinely (as it was illegal).

From 2007 onwards, Spanish [binary] trans people can legally correct the name and sex fields of their IDs and currently, there's a push for a law that would allow for legal recognition of non-binary Spaniards.

Despite the dictatorship in the 60s, there were cinemas that specialized in gay meet ups. Trans women also had ways to get passports so they could go to the US for surgery.

Ireland

In Northern Ireland, same sex marriage only became legal in 2020 and the leader of the most popular party is homophobic transphobic racist and sexist af. In fact, the majority of the party are but some of the quotes from the biggest party leader are depressing.

Same-sex marriage was only legalized in Ireland in 2015. Homosexuality was decriminalized in 1993.

When Ireland legalized same sex marriage by popular vote in 2015, it was still something you got horribly bullied for in schools if you were out. Queer people got an apology from the Taoiseach in 2018, for the suffering and discrimination we faced from the State prior to the legalization of homosexuality.

In the case of trans rights, in 2015 the Gender Recognition Act was signed into law. It allows legal gender changes without the requirement of medical intervention or assessment by the state as long as you are over the age of 18.

Ireland has fines and jail time for anyone found guilty of attempting conversation therapy.

Ireland has seen a lot of progress in LGBT rights in the last 6 years but even up to the 2000s, citizens left their family members and friends to rot for being LGBT+. It still happens all over the country, especially in circles that are still fanatically Catholic. As the Catholic Church has lost the iron grip on the country, people have become more accepting of the LGBT+.

India

The Kamasutra(ancient text on sexuality etc.) has an entire chapter dedicated to homosexuality

The Arthashastra, a 2nd century BCE Indian treatise on statecraft, mentions a wide variety of sexual practices which, whether performed with a man or a woman, were sought to be punished with the lowest grade of fine. While homosexual intercourse was not sanctioned, it was treated as a very minor offence, and several kinds of heterosexual intercourse were punished more severely.

Sex between non-virgin women incurred a small fine, while homosexual intercourse between men could be made up for merely with a bath with one's clothes on, and a penance of "eating the five products of the cow and keeping a one-night fast"

Milk, curd (cheese), ghi (clarified butter), urine, and dung are the five products of a cow

The commenter adds that this is not a terrible punishment.

The Mughal Empire mandated a common set of punishments for homosexuality, which could include 50 lashes for a slave, 100 for a free infidel, or death by stoning for a Muslim

On 6 September 2018 the Supreme Court of India invalidated part of Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code making homosexuality legal in India

Prior to the British colonization of India homosexuality was not all that looked down upon when compared to what happened when the British took over and instituted anti gay laws.

The Hijra (literally means third gender) were seen as normal and have been accepted since long before Christ, as evidenced by the Karma Sutra. The British took videos of them to take back to demonstrate how the Desi were “barbaric”.

Bonsia

In Bosnia, there was a one pride parade that ended with religious extremists ruining it and the police not doing anything. It was supposed to be 5 maybe 3 days long but ended in like 1 or 2.

The Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe mapped out the entire night sky with only his eyes. It laid the foundations of many later scientists, such as Isaac Newton. He was a very rich nobleman, so much so that he owned 1% of Denmark's money. He had a pet dwarf that apparently could see the future, which sounds pretty gay. He was also part of the Elefant Ordning, which consisted of rich and strong Danish men.

Philippines

Despite many attempts to legalize same-sex marriage, the Philippines still didn't budge. Being gay in itself is legal, but same-sex marriage still isn't.

Philippines ,the most Catholic Country in Southeast Asia, has held the largest Pride Parade in Southeast Asia.

Serbia

Serbia didn't have history from about 16th century to 1800's when the 1st revolt happened and failed till 1813's... Then yet another in 1830's for semi independence from Turks, and full in 1836

During the last lingering Ottoman rule over autonomous Serbia, Serbia was one of the very first few countries to have legal mostly everything... it then got removed with like 3 constitution changes and then it didn't move forward for a looong time

Switzerland

Would you have thought that small, conservative Switzerland was a center of the international gay community during the mid-20th century? The magazine "Der Kreis"- the circle - was the only queer magazine in the world that kept publishing during WWII. It was edited in Zurich and distributed internationally, which often meant illegal smuggling, even into nazi Germany. The magazine's annual ball was attended by hundreds of gay men from all over Europe each year. The whole thing was kept strictly secret from the public, though it was known and tolerated by the police.

The Kreis club disbanded in 1967, as repressions grew heavier after a number of murders in the scene had caught the public's attention. By then, other European and American groups took its place, publishing their own magazines.

They made a movie about it.

More info about Der Kreis

As of today, Switzerland doesn't allow gay marriage. A country-wide referendum will be held this fall on gay marriage.

The commenter speculates that gay marriage will be legalized.

A few people expressed surprise that Switerland is socially conservative and several people explained that women’s right to vote was only place in the 70s.

There’s a movie about it

Turkey

A Muslim Persian (born in modern day Turkey) philosopher/mysticist named Mewlana who is known for his sayings on acceptance and love for one another was gay! He had exchanged letters with his instructor Shams and wrote homoerotic poems to him! In Turkey this is ignored by many due to the country's stance on homosexuality

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Norway

The commenter’s hometown and the neighboring town arranged their first pride parade/event in 2017, which is a big deal for a small place and one of the local priests went livid and went straight to the newspaper and social media to condemn it. A local rapper wrote a short and to the point article in the newspaper calling him out for all kinds of things which was a great read. Then to top it off, the priest arranged for a "Jesus Parade" in protest to be held the day before the pride parade. Only like five people walked in it, not including the priest of course because he happened to be on vacation in Spain that week. The pride parade itself was a success though! It's become an annual event. Covid has put some breaks on it though, but they're making a documentary this year about the pride celebrations.

Hungary

Hungary has no same sex marriage or transition rights

Police are unkind to protestors

During “commie times,” being queer was illegal so queer people went to the gulag

Belgium

Same sex marriage was legalized in Belgium in 2003 (right after the NL who were the first in the world). The commenter says that same-sex marriage has always felt possible and she is confused about other countries’ actions.

Poland

Polish president on public assembly: 'LGBT is not people, this is ideology'.

Denmark

WHO took their sweet time declassifying being transgender as a mental illness, so Denmark got sick of waiting and became the first country to stop classifying it as an illness.

Australia

In Australia same-sex marriage wasn't legal until 2017.

Portugal

Portugal is know for having one of the most (if not THE most) peaceful revolutions in history back in the 60's, with only 4 deaths total.

Canada

Operation Soap.

Mexico

To learn more, watch Dance of the 41 on Netflix.

Netherlands

NL was one of the first countries to legalize gay marriage in 2001

Sweden

In Sweden they used to classify Homosexuality as a disease during the 20th century so in protest people would call in too gay to work.

New Zealand

When same sex marriage was legalized, the parliament broke into song.

The song

Other

Homosexuality is illegal in 73 countries, some by death or life in prison.

Only one country in Asia has legalized same-sex marriage: Taiwan

FNAF is older than same-sex marriage in the US

Condor Operation

I think this is some important stuff so please reblog so more people can see! And, if you would like to add to or correct anything here, feel free to do so!

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