#ramcoa is real

[lanterns-and-lightmares]

Hey.

If you threaten people for being the way that they are, get out of my blog immediately. If you purposely trigger people just to upset them, get out of my blog immediately.

If you’re a fucking asshole who can’t mind their own business, who treats people like utter shit because you don’t believe their existence is possible, get out of my blog IMMEDIATELY.

Yes, I think endogenic systems are real. Yes, I think RAMCOA is real. Yes, I think every origin is valid.

If you think people deserve to be threatened or harassed over their identity, get the fuck out. I do not want you here.

[thehellsaint]

If you are desperate enough to keep the "hot take" factory running that you resort to calling an entire category of abuse fake, delete Tumblr.

[necromeat]

How it feels to filter the "endo safe" tag and watch all that garbage disappear from your dash

[thehellsaint]

Telling people what to call their trauma is so interesting💀

You can say you don't like an acronym for something without saying it "isn't real" or "doesn't exist"

Trauma is trauma and you don't need a special little label for it like OSDDID. Like, just say you have C-PTSD.

^^^ this logic can be applied to anything and it will not make sense in any context because people use "special little labels" to describe specific forms of "extreme abuse" because talking about it helps us heal, survive, and make people aware that it happens at all.

as a system who was a victim of RAMCOA, I unfortunately do not agree with your stance on the trauma itself. the acronym was made to thoroughly explain the trauma, it wasn't made to degrade or belittle anybody because of the satanic panic.

i don't understand your need to invalidate the trauma of other systems by belittling them and putting them down. I know it's difficult to understand that there are people out there who genuinely fully intentionally push children into a disassociative state with the intention of training their mind to split alters for their own benefit, but it's a thing that happens, and there are the experiences of countless survivors out there to back that up.

please do not spread your hateful rhetoric throughout the system community. it is harmful and effects survivors of the trauma you seek to invalidate. because of you, whether this ask came from you or not, I received a hateful ask in my inbox invalidating my trauma and calling me anti-semitic for labeling my trauma as RAMCOA.

you do not have a place to speak on something that you have not experienced. learn from this.

We do not send asks. Especially on anonymous. As we have stated multiple times. We are not "invalidating" trauma. We have never said that the trauma doesn't exist. The acronym however is a rebranded name for SRA.

Trauma is trauma and you do not need a special little Label for it like ramcoa. Like, just say you went through extreme abuse. Thats it. Also fyi we do not seek to invalidate anyone. It is not our fault you have received hateful asks - Apostolis

[rosestraumablog]

Why do people keep claiming that programmed did is well documented??

Give me one peer reviewed study that isn’t from pluralpedia

Also ramcoa is just the satanic panic rebranded and me saying that is not “pointing you in the direction of the grey faction”

Cough cough looking at you @sysmedsaresexist

-rose

[anti-endo-help]

☆ — friendly(/gen) reminder time ...

friendly reminder that the owner of this blog is bodily only 14 years old!! 😭 this reminder goes for pro-endos and anti-endos alike, because i feel like both sides have forgotten they're interacting with a very young minor. i have not even gone into high school yet, i am not fit to deal with: death threats, harassment, paranoia inducing asks or messages, diagnosing people, or helping you figure out your trauma/what kind of trauma you have. i am a child.

i will re-clarify that i do not mind things like venting, but please do not send any of the above into my inbox. p.s please keep asks about vents about specifically ramcoa trauma to a minimum... i apologize for the inconvenience, but i am a part of a ramcoa system, and we aren't good at helping or providing comfort when it comes to the topic. thank you all!! have a great day!!

[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]

[ball-jointed-possession]

Know what's fucking deplorable totally denying and calling someones abuse a fucking conspiracy theory, Triggering them badly, and there then being 0 consequences from a mod team that's been pinged repeatedly on the topic. How fucking sad and pathetic can you be as a mod team and a person to just perpetuate that shit. Offical trans Id server do fucking better for the people in your communities, put your fucking grievances aside and fucking *Moderate* your damn spaces for fucks sake. Don't let fucking people get away with hurting others, Radqueer spaces are supposed to be fucking safer than this.

[thecorvidforest]

if any of my lovely moots or followers see a post floating around about how RAMCOA (Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, Organized Abuse) is supposedly an antisemitic conspiracy theory asserting that there’s a global underground cult network doing occult sacrifices please know that person has an extremely incorrect idea of what RAMCOA is.

RAMCOA doesn’t mean global cult doing sacrifices. it’s an umbrella term about a few specific types of abuse. “organized abuse” doesn’t mean global cult. it can be as small as a single family. “ritual abuse” doesn’t mean occult sacrifices. rituals can be literally anything. “mind control” doesn’t mean a secret memory wiping machine, it means programming (and other things).

and no, the RAMCOA community doesn’t have a secret dark agenda to convince all trauma survivors that their missing memories must be because of some memory wiping machine belonging to a secret underground sacrificial cult. most of us seek out every possible alternative explanation before looking at RAMCOA, and we encourage others to do the same.

i can see how they got there from the perspective of someone who knows a lot about antisemitism and nothing about RAMCOA but to assert the entire thing is fake is extremely disrespectful and dangerous. i won’t go into specifics of what RAMCOA is exactly because that would be too triggering for us, but please don’t form your opinion off a post from someone who is not a RAMCOA survivor and has a fundamental misconception of what it means. thanks.

also please don’t seek out and send hate to the OP. and please don’t send this post their way, we have no interest in discoursing about this. this is just a PSA for our followers.

[newsies-lodging-house]

Just saw the System Facts account being yelled at by an Endo who thinks anti-endos are ableist...... what the shit???

[momett]

you realize ramcoa isn’t “secret satanic illuminati shadow organization”.. right? it’s a way to describe a very specific type of abuse. are you saying cults aren’t real? human trafficking isn’t way? institutionalized abuse isn’t real? be so fr

you realize that is exactly what the chairman/president of the RAMCOA SIG, michael salter, believes.. right? in 2008 he tried to claim that a certain preschool had tunnels built under it that he implied were used for satanic ritual abuse... he is a conspiracy theorist, and one of the biggest proponents of RAMCOA.

he believes that the satanic temple is after him, the RAMCOA SIG, and the ISSTD. he believes he is being stalked by satanists who want to literally kill him.

[quoigenicfromhell]

It's very funny to me that tumblr has two different flavors of community and both have their own special misinformation machine

[thehellsaint]

Yes typically the only evidence of extreme abuse that happened in the far past is the effects on the survivor including their ✨experience ✨

I gave evidence of the term being used in an academic context but unfortunately there will never be enough evidence for people who want to dunk on.. abuse survivors? I guess?

Systems: Endos aren’t real, there’s no proof or evidence of them being possible.

Endos: my proof is my ✨experience✨

Informed Systems: RAMCOA isn’t real, there’s no proof or evidence of it being possible.

Systems: my proof is my ✨experience✨

Like other people see this right??? lol they go around saying Endos aren’t real cuz theirs no proof (and Endos aren’t real, I agree) but then go around proclaiming RAMCOA and programming systems as real despite there being no proof. Like pick a side, guys, do you want to follow science and facts or not lmao.

This!!! People can't pick a side i swear

[rosestraumablog]

The Torture subreddit

Ugh so I joined the torture survivor subreddit and it's chalk full of people just making shit up.

That or referencing Allison Miller *spits* I hate her so much

like one of them referenced a book called "The Enslaved Queen" and in that book the author talks about how all the therapists who she had seen before were "plants" for the brainwashing organization that had abused her as a kid

I understand as a survivor myself how scary it can be living with what was done to you but that does not mean you get a free pass to buy into conspiracy theories

remember to think horse not zebra. It's not always a huge ring of traffickers or some grand illuminati sometimes it's just a group of shitty people. Im not saying that's any better but I urge everyone to stay away from these people, it's incredibly dangerous to follow them down that path.

and before everyone gets all angry and says "But trafficking and torture do still happen" I know that hell I myself am a victim of torture, fuck, government sanctioned torture at that. I know how easy it is to believe peoples lies when you are hurting but please for the love of gods dont give into this conspiracy bullshit.

If it's really effecting you that much take a step back and really think about it before spreading harmful narratives on the internet.

Now I want to talk to the kids who are just faking it and making it up, you're not funny, you're not clever, and you most certainly are not cool for claiming these things happened to you.

peace and love

Rose Out

[anti-endo-help]

Is ROMCOA/OA/Programmed alters/systems a real thing? there's so much misinfo and contradictory stuff about it online and im really confused. While I get that cult abuse is obviously very real, i dont understand why a abuser would want or attempt to give their victim a mental disorder, since i dont think giving someone trauma has a guarantee to give someone [insert mental disorder]. thanks if you reply -k/a

hi!! you're talking to a RAMCOA system... so i'd damn hope it's real. 😭 if you need somewhere to start with research, visit the link below!!

PLEASE BE CAREFUL RESEARCHING RAMCOA. IF A GATEKEEPER OR SOMEBODY IN YOUR SYSTEM TELLS YOU TO STOP, PLEASE STOP. IT IS DANGEROUS. THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT CAN KILL YOU!!

[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]

[corviddusk]

So just for some more context for anyone wondering I actually know the post @snowchester-system got into their falling out with others over and it's literally one of the worst fucking posts I've seen in ages where they throw a tantrum over people who don't want final fusion and apparently they were so butt hurt they deleted their entire blog. I was able to grab this from others- ALSO keep in mind this is a person who works with r/systemscringe mods. Y'all may not know who I am now but I know damn well that those mods are fucking abusers in their personal lives so it's not surprising they'd have abusive ideas about needing to force conformity as "treatment"

Yes I was also a dick in the response but I had a long argument with this person and they genuinely lied to my face blatantly about their own post.

And the full screenshots of their bullshit post are under the cut. Keep in mind they decided the ISSTD (which whether or not you do think their work is good it's important to keep in mind it isn't an official medical source as far as I know) has the one and only correct view of the "best treatment" and their only other source mentioned it as something that does sometimes happen in therapy not as "THE ONE TRUE GOAL!!!!" I cannot make this shit up it's funny as fuck

note: I also myself am someone who used to use the term RAMCOA to describe my trauma. I am moving away from that terminology due to it's ties to specifically conspiracy and the ways people will by and large automatically see people using the acronym as lying or fakers. And also because of traumas during my time of using said term.

I am an actual human trafficking and cult survivor. I've actually survived 2 cults. One I got out of a month or so ago (it was far lesser than the one I grew up in and was a cult of personality online rather than a destructive cult centralized in a real life location. The cult I grew up in was where I got trafficked. I by no means want these two traumas to be seen as the same.) I am someone who's abusers also fucked with our system and purposefully got alters to act in specific manners to carry out their will both internally (in the recent cult) and physically (in both cults I endured). I personally will now be referring to what people call "programming" as conditioning and grooming.

The experiences of survivors of extreme abuse are VERY real and I don't want anyone to ignore or erase that. Snowchester is against "programmed DID" which is quite literally just grooming and purposeful inducement of a disorder of which abusers can easily take advantage of. It's not rocket science. You can criticize the terminology which I can and will do. But you can't ignore that little kids can be forced into dissociation by abusers who want them dissociated to hurt them further. That's literally all it is.

[granulesofsand]

Brain HR desperately wants at least one of us for extreme violence and another for extreme sexuality. Having been through what we’ve been through, we have many of each, and the sections are not so clearly defined because that’s life and why would they be? Healing our current most prominent in either category either pulls folks out of retirement (not dormant but not fronting) or acts as a We’re Hiring sign. We can effectively work around them, but both require care and tending to trauma (new folk get old fragments with the constant reshuffling).