#ramcoa is a theory

[creature-wizard]

A warning for trauma survivors looking for online support

You may have come across the acronym "RAMCOA", which stands for "ritual abuse, mind control, and organized abuse."

If you search the Internet for RAMCOA, you might come across a result like this:

If you click the link, you'll be taken to a site that briefly describes what RAMCOA supposedly is, with content like:

MC - Mind Control. A shortened form of TBMC, standing for Torture Based Mind Control. MC is also known as programming, where victims are repeatedly tortured starting at a very young age to intentionally cause a system of dissociated parts that function perfectly to suit the abusers' needs.

alpha : a base program, one of the very first implemented. it trains the victim's mind to accept every order given by handlers willingly. parts with alpha programming will often have no will of their own, and very little personality outside of following orders.

aiw : alice in wonderland. typically split into 3 different sections : black alice, white alice, and crazy alice. ideally, a system scripted with aiw would have all three. white alice makes sure the system forgets the trauma, black alice makes the system feel like theyll be a danger to others if they remember the trauma, and crazy alice makes the system think theyre making it up or going insane if they ever remember it.

Literally all of this comes from a conspiracy theory - specifically, the Project Monarch alter programming conspiracy. It was developed and pushed by far right conspiracy theorists. Most of what people run into specifically traces back to Fritz Springmeier, a man who claimed in the 90's that the fight for gay rights was part of a plot to enthrone the antichrist in the year 2000. The Project Monarch conspiracy theory was always adjacent to the Satanic Panic, if not a somewhat niche part of it. If you start checking citations, you will find many of these people citing Svali, a conspiracy theorist who gets a lot of her material from Springmeier. (Example 1, example 2.)

This is no accident. The term RAMCOA was created by the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD), which was created by and for psychologists who believed in the myths promoted during the Satanic Panic.

The RA part comes from "satanic ritual abuse," which was coined by Dr. Lawrence Pazder of Michelle Remembers (cw for descriptions of horrible abuses) fame. Lawrence Pazder is the man who effectively started the Satanic Panic. It cannot be overstated that Pazder, now a known malpractitioner, was considered the expert on ritual abuse during this time.

The MC part comes from "trauma-based mind control," which was coined to refer to the alleged abuses inflicted in Project Monarch. Parts of this conspiracy theory that can't be traced back to Fritz Springmeier can usually be traced back to Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips, two other (really racist) conspiracy theorists.

Ultimately, the entire conspiracy theory is constructed from tropes that go back to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (a known antisemitic hoax), blood libel, and early modern witch panic.

Searching the Internet for RAMCOA resources, ritual abuse, or trauma-based mind control will always bring you to conspiracy theorists.

(Also, the term OEA, which stands for "organized extreme abuse," will lead you to conspiracy theorists as well.)

So yeah, if you're looking for support, be very wary of this stuff. It will absolutely not help you heal; just the opposite.

[sysmedsaresexist]

Today we're once again reminded of the levels of cruelty people are capable of.

I missed most of the drama with the bait accounts, but I want to offer some positivity and solace to those affected.

Many of you actually cared about the fake child behind the screen. You wanted to help, you sent kindness and support, and I watched many of you worry in private on discord-- everyone was very realistic about the claims. Obviously they were probably wrong, but goddamn, they needed help.

Don't be embarrassed or ashamed that you fell for it.

You are a good person, who sees good in the world.

You aren't gullible or easily manipulated.

You are still capable of trust, and you should be so proud of yourself for manging to hold on to that trait after everything you've been through.

Don't let this do further damage to you. Don't be angry with yourself, don't lose that faith in the good of humanity.

Don't let sick people trick you into thinking the world is full of only horrible people. Don't let yourself become more skeptical, because that's what they want.

Continue to believe survivors

In Canada, we have a saying.

"Better that someone abuse the system, than for someone who needs it to not have access."

Stay with me, I'm going somewhere with this.

When we talk about Universal Healthcare with Americans, this topic comes up a lot. "But people will abuse the system."

Yes, but more people actually need and use the system appropriately. You can't allow bad people to harm everyone. Everyone loses in that case.

As proof:

We pay less in taxes than Americans, and still get free Healthcare. I take home more money than you, and still get more out of it. The myth that our waitlists are months long is fake and orchestrated by American insurance companies.

Consider, for a second, how your background plays into your beliefs and skepticism regarding these topics. Maybe I was just raised to be more trusting, I don't know.

But I certainly don't think the mindset is harmful.

You can read interviews on the isstd website with clinicians that were working during the satanic panic. One interview stood out to me in particular.

Imagine for a second that you have a patient sitting in front of you. They tell you that they have dreams about being abused by a satanic cult. They give you details of these dreams and you talk through them together. For now, you're focused on how these dreams affect them. Are they losing sleep? Is their daily life affected? Anxiety? They begin to tell you about their paranoia, and how people they recognize are in the dreams.

You probe a bit deeper.

They wonder aloud if maybe it happened in real life.

How do you respond? Really think about how your response will come across.

This was the satanic panic.

The ISSTD didn't find their patients themselves. Doctors from across the world referred their patients to the ISSTD's treatment program in Chicago. The doctors at the ISSTD trusted the referring doctors, who had already done the majority of work and background gathering (meaning the ISSTD met these clients long after they had made their claims, rather than "implanting" those memories themselves). Police were involved trying to sort through all the information to find real culprits. Everyone was terrified. No one knew what was happening or who to trust or believe. It looked real.

In the back of every doctor's mind was the question, "What if they're telling the truth?"

Many doctors didn't believe their clients, but telling them that to their face would be bad practice.

This large scale hysteria was something no one was prepared for. They were flying by the seat of their pants, hoping for the best and that an answer would fall from the sky.

Yes, many of the claims were fake. Whether they were consciously made up, or stand-in pseudomemories for real abuse (a well-documented thing), and the rare cases mixed in that were genuine-- doctors tried to take their clients' claims at face value.

Imagine you tell your doctor about your abuse and they say, "that sounds a bit extreme, I don't think that's possible."

Programmed DID existed before the panic, it exists to this day. Just because you can't find the research doesn't mean it isn't there.

By claiming something specific isn't real, you also discredit the abuse leading up to it.

Let me put it another way, who cares if programmed DID is possible? Organized and ritual abuse is real. Trafficking, CSA films, war crimes, conversion groups, churches. DID is real.

Grey Faction and TST want you to stay in the mindset that it's more important to weed out fakers and malingerers than to trust people in the hopes you help just one person in a real way. They want you to be skeptical of everyone and everything in order to maintain their public image, because if you look too hard, you'll see the terrible things they have done.

GF has a bad habit of being like, "The TST doesn't take part in LARGE SCALE MURDER AND CANNIBALISM, that's not even real, it was debunked during the panic," as if to say anything less severe isn't worthy of note and also must not be real. It's surprisingly effective, and by connecting more absurd ideas with RAMCOA and the ISSTD, they manage to discredit huge swathes of the field.

Some people like to think they took the red pill, and that they've ascended to a higher level of intelligence with a new, better ability to look at things impartially, when they're really just assholes falling for bullshit. They hurt real survivors and still think they're in the right.

It's vile behavior done for cheap kicks and internet brownie points. Even 4chan types wouldn't go that far or be that pathetic.

Who else could look someone in the face and say, "I don't believe you."

They want you to think they're better than you, but which is better?

Outward and vocal skepticism and dismissal, or quiet, thoughtful reflection with the longterm goal of helping this person find their truth?

Some of you would make much better doctors than others.

The bad people aren't the ones "faking" or lying. Those people at mentally ill and still deserving of help.

The bad people are the ones who want to dismiss every claim because one person once lied about it.

Don't lose your faith. Don't let this set you back. We need more people like you.

I'm proud of you for caring about people.

What happened will further stigmatize survivors, it did real damage to people. You're not alone.

Don't let them win, you did the right things.

Stay safe, everyone.

We survived this kind of discourse once on a much larger scale. We'll do it again.

[thescreamcorner]

RAMCOA - Unpacking The History

Trigger Warning for this post, as it will include mentions of various types of trauma and abuse, religious ideology and dogma, medical malpractice, death, and bigotry. Many links provided may go in depth on these subjects, so please be wary of clicking them if you are in a sensitive state.

Forward: Please note that the following analysis is about the term/acronym "RAMCOA" itself. There is a wide array of experiences that are said to fit under the RAMCOA umbrella, and while talking about the toxic history and usage of RAMCOA, these points are not meant to directly apply to every individual experience and trauma that it applies to. Cult and religious abuse exists, institutional and ritualistic abuse exists, trafficking rings exist. I am not attempting to debunk the experiences of survivors of these abuses for using and attaching to the term RAMCOA. This is simply a post I'm putting together while I study, and an encouragement for those who use the acronym to consider other terms given what I've learned and shared.

This is a very long post, so please consider setting it to the side and taking it in in pieces if needed, to make sure you get an accurate understanding.

Where Did This All Start?

Our dive begins with the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, which is commonly shorthanded to ISSTD and will be referred to this way for the entirety of the post going forward. The ISSTD is a nonprofit organization that began in the 1980s under the name "The International Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and Dissociation" (ISSMP&D). The organization featured clinicians and researchers that focused study onto Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD).

Over time, more was understood about the disorder, and MPD was renamed to Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) as doctors became aware that the experiences of the disorder were linked to trauma and dissociation, not purely the concept of "multiple personalities". As such, the organization went through two rebrands, settling on the ISSTD acronym in 2006 and remaining under that name to this day.

As far back as the 1980s, the ISSTD was the subject of controversy due to the actions of healthcare professionals that operated within the organization. Some providers were found to be using hypnosis and other forms of RMT (link), a highly controversial practice in medicine, in order to help patients recognize and recover traumatic memories. However, it was exemplified through this lawsuit (link) and its 10.6 million dollar settlement that the power of suggestion could easily lead to memories that were inaccurate, modified, or even entirely fabricated, whether or not directly encouraged by the provider.

The lawsuit from Patricia Burgus also exemplifies another piece of controversy regarding the ISSTD, being their contributions to the Satanic Panic (link) and claims of Satanic Ritual Abuse, or SRA, in the 1980s. Providers like Dr. Braun, who co-founded the ISSTD (link), were found to be implanting memories specifically tied to conspiracy theories of mass satanic cults, such as human sacrifices and forced cannibalism.

Further still is the antisemitic ties and roots of these conspiracies, believed to have stemmed from Blood Libel (link) -- A well-contested conspiracy that Jewish people would kidnap and murder innocent Christians (particularly children) in order to use their blood for religious rituals. A conspiracy that, somehow, has still lived on in fringe groups like QAnon (link) and further cemented its links to the Satanic Panic through them.

Another facet of controversy within the ISSTD came from the conspiracy beliefs that not only were held by members, but were often the subject of conferences. These of course featured more on SRA, but also extended to subjects like that of the 1989 annual conference, "Manchurian Candidates" -- a disproven conspiracy that stemmed from a work of political fiction (link) where the protagonist is brainwashed into becoming a sleeper agent for the Soviet Union. While brainwashing is still believed to be potentially real, given the correct circumstances, part of what helped contest the ISSTDs conference subject was the leak of the USA's attempt to replicate this, MKULTRA (link).

The biggest controversy to point to, of course, is the treatment of patients by providers who associated with the ISSTD. Many of the links I've provided already address the many cases of emotional, physical and sexual abuse that took place with clients being treated for dissociative and trauma disorders, so I will not dive further into it here, but know that the details are distressing and the list is much longer than it should be for an organization dedicated to helping traumatized people heal.

How Does All This Connect to RAMCOA?

The ISSTD was responsible for coining the term in 2008 when creating the Ritual Abuse, Mind Control and Organized Abuse Special Interest Group (or, RAMCOA SIG for short), which quickly became their largest and most active special interest group. Multiple members of its Executive have faced controversy, both individually and as representatives for RAMCOA SIG (link), for continuing to spread conspiracies of satanic ritual abuse (some even adding paganism to the list of targets), making presentations that featured debunked allegations of an "underground network of tunnels below a preschool used for a sex trafficking ring" in the 80s (link), and discouraging fellow practitioners from considering misdiagnosis of DID (link).

Because of all this, RAMCOA as a term is inextricably linked to SRA, the Satanic Panic, medical malpractice, and to a degree, antisemitic conspiracy theories. Its creation as an acronym stemmed from theories and conspiracies that are predominantly held by fringe extremist groups, instead of any legitimate medical documentation around trauma and institutional abuse. Many of those who created it have been noted actively and purposely triggering paranoia and delusion in both their clients and fellows of the SIG, still continuing to spread their personal beliefs in lieu of medical advice.

The term has steeped itself in so much controversy, in fact, that the RAMCOA SIG was rebranded (link) to the Organized and Extreme Abuse (OEA) SIG in order to maintain their stance as an educational special interest group.

But What About The Content Creators?

I will again state that in this post, I am not making any attempt to attack or debunk any particular person or survivor, or pick apart the legitimacy of their conditions, traumas, etcetera. However, it is important to the discussion of RAMCOA, the problems of its usage, and its toxic history, to address its current usage -- which is predominantly featured on social media.

There is a startling trend of excessive, even dangerous levels of trauma dumping that can be found when searching through tags and spaces for RAMCOA survivors. This is unfortunately not unique to RAMCOA, as oversharing and lack-of-privacy is something that often gets encouraged in some "mental health" online spaces, but often the RAMCOA tags are most notorious to having graphic abuse details - sometimes without appropriate content warning, oversharing of symptoms/alters, and participants in the "trauma olympics" - a phenomenon of individuals sharing visceral content of their lives for the sake of either attention, or a sense of validation for "having it worse" than other people.

These bouts of extensive oversharing can be harmful in a multitude of ways, the most obvious being the distress that reading it causes. There also exists a possibility of people internalizing the graphic details and developing false and/or altered memories of their own abuse. The consequences of this include interpersonal strains and inaccurate medical care, as doctors may come to a false negative diagnosis if exaggeration is present.

The further risks of this extend past those not affected by these traumas as well, as these extremely personal details can be used against the person sharing them. Depending on the extent of what is shared, the results can be incredibly dangerous and put the person back into a cycle of victimization, potentially with the same abuser(s). And without encouragement of proper anonymity or privacy to protect them, these posts then serve to push more victims to give out dangerous amounts of private information under the guise of "sharing their story." Victims should not feel pressured into silence, but encouraging them to speak on their experiences before they're in a safe environment to do so, and not addressing how much information is "too much" for a public platform, is dangerous.

These issues are something that some facets of the "RAMCOA community" refuse to acknowledge. Others will only address them as a strawman to argue that any criticism of the term RAMCOA (or the behaviors of some individuals that use it) is nothing more than an effort to "silence victims, fakeclaim systems and cover up for abusers." Some twist the argument to say that by noting RAMCOA's historical roots in antisemitism, you're accusing everyone who fits under the umbrella of also being antisemitic.

But these issues aren't something to just ignore or throw away. This isn't a case of "separate the art from the artist"; you can't just pretend the history, meaning and intentions behind the term don't matter, or never existed to begin with.

I think it's time for the "RAMCOA community" to reflect on these things, and for the survivors of extreme cases of abuse to create their own term to gather under, rather than continue to cling to the term coined by an organization that has repeatedly fostered the very same types of abuse they claim to educate about and treat.

[thecorvidforest]

if any of my lovely moots or followers see a post floating around about how RAMCOA (Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, Organized Abuse) is supposedly an antisemitic conspiracy theory asserting that there’s a global underground cult network doing occult sacrifices please know that person has an extremely incorrect idea of what RAMCOA is.

RAMCOA doesn’t mean global cult doing sacrifices. it’s an umbrella term about a few specific types of abuse. “organized abuse” doesn’t mean global cult. it can be as small as a single family. “ritual abuse” doesn’t mean occult sacrifices. rituals can be literally anything. “mind control” doesn’t mean a secret memory wiping machine, it means programming (and other things).

and no, the RAMCOA community doesn’t have a secret dark agenda to convince all trauma survivors that their missing memories must be because of some memory wiping machine belonging to a secret underground sacrificial cult. most of us seek out every possible alternative explanation before looking at RAMCOA, and we encourage others to do the same.

i can see how they got there from the perspective of someone who knows a lot about antisemitism and nothing about RAMCOA but to assert the entire thing is fake is extremely disrespectful and dangerous. i won’t go into specifics of what RAMCOA is exactly because that would be too triggering for us, but please don’t form your opinion off a post from someone who is not a RAMCOA survivor and has a fundamental misconception of what it means. thanks.

also please don’t seek out and send hate to the OP. and please don’t send this post their way, we have no interest in discoursing about this. this is just a PSA for our followers.

[magnetothemagnificent]

Just saw someone say that RAMCOA "isn't real and is an antisemitic conspiracy theory" which... I don't know. I think that's dismissive of the pervasiveness of Xian abuse and the actual context of RAMCOA. A lot of Xians are involved in organized cults and traffic/abuse people through various means. At the very least I think there is nuance here. I'd like to hear your take though

For those who don't know the acronym, it stands for Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, and Organized Abuse, and was coined by the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD), and organization with a history of past and present abuse and corruption.

It's not real. It's a conspiracy that began in the 1980s and 1990s with the Satanic Panic. Some corrupt psychologists practiced "repressed memory recovery", where they convinced their patients that they were ritually abused by satanic cults as children, but forgot about it due to trauma. In reality, it's actually very easy to convince someone that they remember something, even when it didn't actually happen. There is no nuance. While cults absolutely do exist, there is no underground network of cults (Christian or otherwise) engaging in occult ritual sacrifices and abuses. To assert that there is leans deeply into antisemitic and xenophobic conspiracy.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying that certain dissociative disorders aren't real. They've existed before the Satanic Panic and before the epidemic of false memory implanting by psychologists. However, people with trauma disorders are very susceptible to manipulation, especially by mental healthcare professionals. Someone can genuinely believe they were kidnapped by a network of occultists, that doesn't mean it actually happened to them. It also doesn't mean that they're malicious liars- false memories can feel very real, and as we've learned, it's quite easy to convince someone of a memory that didn't happen. People who believe they were victims of these things deserve our compassion- the bad-faith actors are the doctors and therapists who manipulated them, not the people suffering from mental illness.

More reading:

Evidence Against Dr. Colin A. Ross

Dangerous Therapy: The Story of Patricia Burgus and Multiple Personality Disorder

Satanic Panic: The Creation of a Contemporary Legend

Martha Ann Tyo v Ross

Satanic Cults, Ritual Abuse, and Moral Panic: Deconstructing a Modern Witch-Hunt

Dutch Investigators Find No Evidence Of Ritual Child Abuse

Supernatural Support Groups: Who Are the UFO Abductees and Ritual-Abuse Survivors?

[momett]

you realize ramcoa isn’t “secret satanic illuminati shadow organization”.. right? it’s a way to describe a very specific type of abuse. are you saying cults aren’t real? human trafficking isn’t way? institutionalized abuse isn’t real? be so fr

you realize that is exactly what the chairman/president of the RAMCOA SIG, michael salter, believes.. right? in 2008 he tried to claim that a certain preschool had tunnels built under it that he implied were used for satanic ritual abuse... he is a conspiracy theorist, and one of the biggest proponents of RAMCOA.

he believes that the satanic temple is after him, the RAMCOA SIG, and the ISSTD. he believes he is being stalked by satanists who want to literally kill him.

[tojiwifee]

ramcoa is still a conspiracy theory. your trauma is real, ramcoa is not.

[granulesofsand]

🗝️🏷️ RAMCOA intermixed with conspiracy theories

I forgot how out of pocket RAMCOA professionals(?) can be. Like, I agree we should believe people and support their healing the best we can, but this video I’m watching has more conspiracy theories from the admins than the survivors. There was one survivor who spoke about one big cult trying to normalize Luciferianism and pedophilia among other things, but they are also on the admin panel. One other survivor still hadn’t worked through the ‘specialness’ groups fed them and thought they had physical psychic powers, and even that was mild compared to the staff.

First admin to speak was the ‘global Satanic cult’ survivor, and they sincerely believe that vaccines are a lie and pandemics are made in labs. After them was a guy who was really insistent that weed and caffeine were common for mind control purposes, and that TV was made to normalize violence and put people into trace — which, he wasn’t entirely wrong, but also not too close to the bullseye there. Then one mostly normal guy who very gently asked whether the world was going to shit because of hundreds of coincidences or a plan, pretty open-ended and tolerable. Then the only guy with a degree listed seemed okay, and then started talking about abusers being soulless and COVID masking having no purpose but to remove loving emotion.

The intro to this video was a cringy song about saving the children, and the first speaker cited remote viewing as corroborating a facility in another state doing mind control (uncertainly, but he did say it).

Most of the survivor testimonies at least made sense, but half the video is over and it’s already been an hour and a half. I was hoping to add this to my list of resources for a new clinician we got through the DV shelter, but. I think not. Probably gonna go back to annotating Miller’s clinician book, cause it’s looking like that’s as good as it gets.

Yeah. We do believe governments participate in organized abuse and cooperate amongst themselves and local groups/people who can afford to get away with it, and we do understand that many products used and sold can aid in mind control, but that doesn’t mean that every piece of every story is true off the bat. Many drugs have a mostly normal history of getting onto the street, though many have ties to organizations in the present. Many trance-inducing mediums came to us naturally, though some are used (in a minority of contexts) for more nefarious purposes. They just don’t make the distinction, and the religious ideology bleeds into all of it even worse. We’re pretty open minded about sanctioned atrocities, but they go too far. And we were abused in a Satanic cult who killed children. Wild.

They just went on a whole tangent about saying COVID was overdone/a lie, and that both that and 9/11 were Satanic death rituals. Y’all. They did just get to how poverty and foster care was bad — nevermind they made it a Satanic thing again. They are taking all of these non-coincidences, but incorrectly attributing them to one big cult. Girl. The word ‘culture’ and ‘cult’ are alike because they are etymologically from the same Latin root. And they called transgenderism against humanity. It gets progressively worse. I’m listening in real time now and you can tell. Every mildly true take is followed by three more bullshit ideas.

It is an enemy of progress to assume that all issues are related by perpetrator. The events do intertwine, but we’re ignoring those intricacies and the true causes — and how to work with them as a result — to shove them under one cause we cannot prove. We will not find where they are tied if we have already decided it is this one specific way. It would be okay if it were true or at least undisputed, but much of what they talk about does not fit the research and existing examinations despite also not providing resources to support these theories. The strings laid out, I can see how they reached their conclusions, but I cannot get around the refusal to see other explanations. It weakens their argument so deeply it has nearly no integrity remaining. And they speak of rationality and sense as if they would know it if it came up and bit them.

The next segment is saying not to criticize them because it discourages conversation. I could be politer, good communication is important. This is the one guy who I would listen to again. I agree that we need to have more in-depth conversations to make heavy topics make sense. I am still not willing to tolerate faith tradition as science or accept any explanation without talking about it, but I would have a conversation with any of these people. I simply can’t listen to them speak conference style.

Why has it been so difficult to communicate? Because of you. Because you provide no sources except half-inaccurate non-academic works. Because you use every other sentence to attack another construct that is largely helpful. Because you don’t want to talk, you just want to say it. And the Christians are taking about their savior complex again.

Mmm, judges wear robes because global Satanic cult. All government is in on out. Again, some people are. There are symbols of faith traditions in government that don’t need to be there. Many stand-out details become easy places to meet or reinterpret for victims if they weren’t already made for dangerous purposes. There are many generational and governmental genuine conspiracies that do occur, people who do collaborate. Still infrequently that structured or globally involved. It’s a funky mix of things that can and do happen and calling it all one giant Satanic operation. Too many big claims with no backup.

These speakers talk about empowerment and shaking free, yet they use mind control tactics themselves. Tell us what to consume and how, from information to literal food. He called the TV a hypnobox. This is not safe. Educate people about why, host conversations about what they can do, but issuing commands and layering it with fear is half of what they are saying is Satanic.

We should be healthy. We should be watching out for dog whistles and nonsensical political decisions, but not every music video is a ritual and not every painting is a message. Talk to people with different opinions, see if your community’s ideas hold up against theirs. It’s not all wrong, but very little is right.

And they’re forcing spirituality again. Gross. We can believe in morals and kindness without having to share a faith tradition. And here comes Global Satanic Cult as the true enemy, describing introspection as soul. Icky icky. “Pedophile transgender agenda”. We’re not right wing conspiracy theorists tho. Created unnatural weather events. Use a source, any source, y’all are dropping these left and right. Psychopaths as any person we don’t like.

Re-educating children to keep them from doing away with gender norms. The guy talking about this one is preaching kindness while telling us we are evil for not being traditionally male or female, or, worse, transgender✨.

So basically Satanic global cult and gender roles. That’s what this was about. They spoke next to nothing about education or what to do to help survivors. Just fearmongering and ignorance.and a shitty ending song. I feel like those 2 hours were stolen. It was all just poking at wounds. Disgusting. I won’t be linking this video, I find it would cause more harm than good. We don’t need their shit, we’re doing better on our own. Good riddance.

[tuulikki]

Me when my son is being taken away by aliens and I can’t even move or help him and I’m so frightened: OMG

[mischiefmanifold]

Why do people say programming/ramcoa is not real and say it’s conspiracy? why do they try to get us to believe it’s fake and that the victims have false memories? like why can’t it exist? /gen

people say it is not real because they do not or cannot comprehend how human beings could be so unapologetically cruel and inhumane

they say it is a conspiracy because it is easier than accepting it is real (not to say that all conspiracies are real)

they go to such extreme lengths to make us (victims) forget because then we cannot tell about what has happened to us and they will not be held accountable

it “cannot” exist because if what actually happens within the groups that program children ever got out there would be few authority figures (police legislators doctors pastors teachers therapists parents etcetera) left in society

[creature-wizard]

With Trump coming back into office, it's more crucial than ever that folks with DID and those seeking mental health care in general understand that this whole idea of DID programming cults is a pseudoscientific far right conspiracy theory associated with all kinds of hateful garbage.

Here are some posts to read on this topic:

How the alter programming conspiracy theory developed

Cathy O'Brien - The First Project Monarch "Survivor"

Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler: Two Of The Most Dangerous Conspiracy Theorists Most People Have Never Heard Of

[sysmedsaresexist]

The discourse around whether ramcoa as a term is antisemitic or not has opened the door to people once again fakeclaiming ramcoa as a concept

Wow, I'm shocked

I wonder if that was the point all along

It kind of hit me when I saw someone bring Qanon into this

What the fuck is wrong with you people that you think this kind of abuse denial is okay?

[ladyimaginarium]

okay so. i just remembered that a really prominent jewish blogger literally said that ramcoa just blatantly doesn't exist under a specific umbrella & basically labels it as a conspiracy theory & literally compares it to pizzagate & qanon. &. as a native jewish ramcoa survivor specifically that's such a vile fucking thing to say bc i KNOW other ramcoa survivors, including indigenous ones. im hesitant to mention the exact url, but it's in the link, but as a reconnecting jew specifically i really looked up to this person & now i feel a sense of betrayal & very dissociated. if you claim to fight for other people & just. claim that a large group of people who are survivors of this are just spreading a conspiracy i have nothing to say to you.

[thecorvidforest]

still cackling over the “trans-RAMCOA” pride flag some endo made for ppl who “didn’t go through RAMCOA, but feel like they want to or were meant to”. it was probably (hopefully) bait but i still keep it in my photos to look at when i need a good laugh.

anyway RAMCOA is indescribably awful and anyone who feels like they want it should probably go to therapy

[syllvarin]

Non-traumagenic plurality: How could it be possible?

First off, let's start with what some anti-endo folk mean versus what they don't mean with traumagenic plurality

They mean systems caused by/as a response to trauma and traumatic events, and those who are still affetced by them, aka systems who are disordered, DID/OSDD/UDD.

What they don't mean is systems who have trauma in their origin along with other causes. They do not believe a system can very well be traumagenic but function smoothlessly due to recovering, or have multiple origins.

Note: We are a diagnosed DID system with mixed (trauma/ramcoa/neuro/para) origins. Yes, we know what we are talking about. No, that doesn't mean we can't do mistakes, but we will try our best to be as accurate as possible. We will include scientific articles, DSM-5 DID checklist, and many more in this post.

How can that be possible?

1st: Brains are quite complicated. Research on brain functions is far from being complete, it is a long road that we are still at the very beginning of. We still don't know how brain exactly works let alone how it can form seperate conscious identities and work them together. We do know headmates exist based on brain MRI's ( link here ) That proves us that systems indeed, exist.

2nd point i want to make is that science is not done in a linear fashion. We are studying to be neuroscientists ourselves and the very core of what makes science doable is MONEY. Yes, in this capitalist system even the most seemingly basic research requires funding, money, and a goal that can be monetized to get done. Reseaches on female autonomy, rare disorders and "demonized" disorders such as DID is therefore not often as it is not easily capitalized and funded.

Therefore we do not have enough research to prove or disprove that the only way of becoming a system is through childhood.

And that brings me to my 3rd point, where we will take a look at what DSM-5 (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition) says about diagnostic crietria of DID. We will see how it is a dissocative disorder, not a trauma disorder.

Found under dissociative disorders (not trauma disorders!), checklist for DID is as follows:

See how none of those checklist include trauma as checklist? Yes DID is commonly caused by trauma but not always. Yes it commonly is created during childhood but not always. Those arent in diagnostic criteria.

Definitive feature is not trauma, it is distinct personality states or experience of possession.

DID is associated with traumatic events, does not mean it requires it.

DID can manifest at almost any age (DSM-5 is saying that, folks)

What's more is OSDD doesnt even have a definitive checklist like DID. it is found under differential diagnosis, with other disorders. PDID (partial DID where one part is frontstuck a majority of the time) is also up to psychiatrist's evaluation rather than a concrete checklist.

4th point is : What about Structural Dissociaton Theory?

This theory is as it goes: The theory of Structural Dissociation works off of the assumption that everyone is born with different ego states that later merge in life. Those different ego states operate for different actions in life, that later integrate into one person during ages of 4-6. Trauma disrupts that integration and causes ANP (apparently normal parts) and EP (Emotional parts). EP's are stuck in the trauma while ANP's are not.

source: The Haunted Self: Structural Dissociation and the Treatment of Chronic Traumatization" by Onno van der Hart, Ellert Nijenhuis, and Kathy Steele. 

Yes, theory. Theories are not concrete. They can be disapproved, they can change, they may not fit every experience. Structural dissociation only explains how DID can manifest at childhood, but we already know by now that DID can manifest at almost any age.

So I personally think basing everything on a theory about how DID might've been caused (which doesn't even perfectly explain every possible way) is not as fault-proof as one might think it is.

Point 5: experiences of "multiple identities" exist for so long into history (people who are possessed, talk to themselves, act weird at times, are very different at times, etc), way before any DID/OSDD terms were created. And actually, how can we know how many people in history have had this experience when the very society we are in is very scared of them? It is fair to say only the disruptive cases must've been noticed, and majority of them probably were either deemed as crazy or exorcised as they believed those people were possessed by spirits. Just because your experience does not fit with others and just because science hasnt done anything to back them up, doesn't mean people's lived experiences are false. Why would so many people tell that they are a system when they are not? We are not living in a place where being a system is happy or fun, we are not in a society where its profitable or anything. It literally gives a person zero + points for being plural if they arent. It would be a nonstop roleplay they have to keep up throughout every aspect of their life; and at that point, it must be either impossible or that person is already plural and not roleplaying when no one is looking at them.

Creating headmates is on the same basket. A person with DID can create headmates in blink of an eye (we know from oursleves) sometimes splitting threshold is so low you may split off multiple people at once. You cannot know what is going in a person's mind, and what mechanisms work for creating a headmate. If they claim they did, it is very much no chance they are faking being different people 24/7. It *is* a real chance that they actually did develop a headmate. If you do not believe them; ask them about their experiences. I am %100 positive that if you actually listen to them, you will see those people are only trying to live their life.

Also, if you think healthy systems cannot exist and only way to be a system is through dissociation and dysfunction; then why would DID systems try to heal anyway? Wouldn't that just be sanist and ableist to expect all of them to turn into singlets because healthy multiplicity isnt a thing?But no, it is a thing, and healthy multiplicity and recovery is possible for systems. DID and other disordered forms of plurality do indeed exist, and they are indeed, treatabe in multiple ways according to what a person feels comfortable with. That is also a system's right to heal however they please. They don't owe anyone their right to stay as plural or become a singlet.

6th point I want to make is about: Why do we even care?

If a person says they have multiple people in their head, why do we care and tell them they are faking? They are not claiming to have a diagnosis, even if they did; if their situation is causing a distress to them, then they ARE diagnosable and that therefore is none of our business, again.

Last point I want to make is how endogenic DID is possible. yes, possible. remember how trauma is not in diagnostic criteria and DID can happen at any age? If endogenic plurals can happen, they can also form DID at later in life. They can also become disordered due to an event in their life. They can lose harmony and become so dysfunctional they need professional help. That doesn't mean they are no longer endogenic or some other origin, that simply means their state is different than what it was and they need help.

End of our post. Thank you for reading.

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user @ ratinacoat is calling the idea of RAMCOA an antisemitic conspiracy theory and actively putting down survivors. block don't engage.

edit: so is @ rosestraumablog who claims to be a survivor but literally says "if you think ramcoa is real youre delulu"