#radioapple discourse

[cannibalistic-deer]

It baffles me that I've seen people say "Alastor is canonically sex and touch repulsed" as a reason people "shouldn't" be shipping Alastor sexually/romantically.

Why assume that the sex repulsion applies to every relationship in his life, permanently? Some aces are sex favorable, or may develop more favorable feelings for specific people, even if otherwise repulsed.

And the same applies to touch repulsion. That's such a weak argument. Alastor canonically, and very clearly, is okay with or possibly even enjoys touch in specific situations. He does seem to be touch repulsed in general, but again, there are specific people it doesn't apply to. (Rosie is the best example, since with anyone else it is more brief, but Rosie touches him, and is the one initiating that, frequently.)

All types of attraction, or comfort levels with different manners of affection, are fluid. This isn't ever an excuse to invalidate real people who are telling you their identities, but it does mean that assumptions really can't be made about what a person would or wouldn't do.

And this type of thinking is what really leads to invalidating real people, because even if you think "being asexual means never having sexual attraction," and then an ace person shares that they think they might have experienced sexual attraction at some point but still identify as ace... then you have to be open to that. You cannot put sexualities in boxes. This applies to all sexualities.

I'm a fictive of Alastor myself, and I am sex repulsed, so I understand the discomfort, but I also understand that people are not harming any real, living person by making fanworks where Alastor is having sex. It also doesn't mean they're inherently rejecting his asexuality.

If people want to ignore Alastor being aroace completely, that's different. Alastor is canonically aroace (or asexual at minimum), and he always will be. But jumping to conclusions about what people think because you're too naive and stubborn to understand that sexuality and attraction doesn't fit into tidy little boxes is harmful and is a way of thinking that must be changed.

This became longer than intended because I was mostly thinking about the "Alastor is touch repulsed to everyone!" claims some people make, which are frankly incompatible with canon. But the rest of this post is also true.

[celtrist]

It's okay to be emotional over a ship.

It's okay to be emotional over a ship. It's okay to be emotional over characters. It's okay to share grievances over a ship as much as it's okay to gush over a ship. It's okay to feel so overwhelmingly negatively over a ship just as much as it's okay to feel so overwhelmingly positive.

While it's always going to be better to focus on positives, it can also be just as good to let out any negatives you might have about something rather than bottling it in and, for some, feeling alone in your thoughts about it.

It is so, so, SO OKAY to be so heavy in emotions concerning a ship whether negative or positive because it means you're invested in the characters and their relationships. When spaces seem to allow only positivity when some people might have some negative thoughts on a ship, it really negates any conversations about it and even understanding sides of why someone may or may not ship something.

While understandable, there is a double standard between being negative and positive about ships (or portrayal of characters). If you feel overwhelmingly negative about something, "you need to go touch grass". If you feel overwhelmingly positive about something, "go at it queen". I would personally argue we all need to touch grass.

It is NOT okay to harass others. It is NOT okay to let your emotions dictate that you should attack somebody for LIKING a certain ship or DISLIKING a certain ship. Your emotions DO NOT dictate how OTHERS should feel.

It is okay to be negative about a character or ship as much as it's okay to be positive about them. Neither side of being for or against a ship is more virtuous than the others. It's okay to have some fucking emotions regardless if their positive or not, because it means you CARE about the media and the characters in it.

No, you should not revolve your whole online experience in negativity. Find positive in things you DO enjoy. But to brush off people who vehemently might dislike a character or ship as "losers with no lives" is to disregard a person's emotions on something. And if you do wanna think that mindset, congrats, people who obsessively love a character or ship are just the same by your logic. Obsession is obsession, regardless if it's negative or positive.

TL;DR, If it's okay to be overwhelmingly positive in liking something like a ship or character, it should be just as okay to be negative in disliking something like a ship or character. Just as long as it's not the ONLY thing you focus on and no one is actively being bullied, attacked, or harassed about it. And of course, either way, positive or negative, it is all fiction, and a real person should not be attacked or harassed for it. And if you don't want to indulge in negativity you might have, 100% valid. Both sides always need to take a step back into reality.

[miicycle]

Hot take from a radioapple fan:

Charlastor isnt morally fucked up (other than Alastor obviously hoping to gain something) (which btw is interesting to explore in general). Let people do as they wish.

And before anyone dares to come here and mention episode 5, Alastor tricked you so fucking good if you genuinely believe he sees her as his daughter. He sees potential in her power, nothing else. And fanon can change anything, so even if he did mean it, people are 100% allowed to delete that episode from their brain or view it as they wish.

And people going "But Charlie is in a loving relationship with Vaggie!" Yeah okay, LUCIFER STILL HAS HIS DAMN WEDDING RING! But yall don't want to discuss that, do ya.

So tired of the hate between the fans. Scroll past, censor tags, anything. Just don't hate on people who ship stuff. I wanna be able to hang out with one of my best friends without worrying about our differing opinions regarding a silly fucking cartoon! 💕 At the end of the day, theyre two old, silly, powerful morningstars and hes a vintage asshole. Get a grip.

Tldr: I ship radioapple and dont mind charlastor's existence. A close friend of mine, literally a bestie if you will, has shipped Charlastor since the pilot and the fandom's lack of media literacy had us tiptoe around each other for a while.

Anyways, it's just a show about the BIBLE.

[pep-rambles]

While I can't speak for other Alastor ships (but I'll tag you all and you can weigh in). But in the RadioApple/DuckieDeer fandom a lot of those making fanwork, including the smuttier stuff, are acespec/arospec themselves so maybe learn what is actually going on in these fandoms before try to gatekeep in their tags

[siege-gunn]

Oh good. The allo person has come to rescue us from ourselves. Hooray. /sarcasm

Look, I’m not saying it should or shouldn’t be canon because frankly it makes no difference to me.

But RadioApple has been the first ship I’ve ever seen or gotten to experience where aspec folks have gotten to experiment with the entire breadth of the aspec experience in fanfic and fanart. And yes sometimes that includes smut.

The last thing we need is allo people swanning in and using us as an excuse to have a stupid fandom war. If you hate the ship, then hate it I guess, whatever makes you happy. But stop using us as the excuse to do so please and thank you.

I'm so over all the raddioapple stuff on my feed. Idk why it is so popular, it makes no sense and it's everywhere.

1) the only thing they've ever canonically done is fight. There is literally no connection besides their fighting over Charlie. (Which Alastor definitely has sinister alterior motives for doing)

2) Lucifer is married to and HEAD OVER HEELS for lilith. Her leaving literally sent him into a depressive spiral. Man's is the definition of devotion.

3) Aro-ace rep. Why does everyone always go after other people's representation? Alastor has never shown romantic intentions towards literally ANYONE and has shown multiple instances of being touch/sex repulsed. So, WHY DOES NSFW ALASTOR ART EXIST. I get that being asexual doesn't mean they can't have sex, but in this instance, it does.

Alastor x anyone makes zero sense to me and feels like people just think he's creepy and hot. Which is kinda stupid, like his haircut. Also, he is literally a serial killer and cannibal. He is psycho. There's plenty of other hot characters you can drool over. Who aren't Aro-ace rep.

Anyways...

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[pigidin]

OKAY. Am I the only one fascinated by how much Alastor in s1 has interacted with other demons and built a potential for considerable amount of different, broad and unique relationships? With All of them being non-romantic/sexual?

I really don't wanna dive into the discourse of shipping coz honestly, I do think that erasing Al's aroaceness is not cool at all. Personally, I don't see him wishing any romance/sex at all, and well. Considering how platonic he actually is throughout the season, it kinda seems like people forget that friendship (or basically anything non rom-sex) exists in the first place.

Coz, like, let's see what we got::

Vox -- probably one-sided (psychosexual) crush from Vox with possible past friendship between them, them hating on each other yet having (used to have) some respect as well. The ANGST, the drama (for both of sides). Insert aroace troubles (possible aphobia from Vox? Or not? He may be biggest ally as well!) and Vox's petty feelings that are insanely interesting to explore (and laugh at).

Lucifer -- immediate hate that (with a course of events) can turn into forced bonding. The potential of queerplatonic parenting of Charlie is HUGE here. Insecurities from Al? Forced care? Banters? SHENANIGANS? Luci patching up Al after battle, prolly discovering his deal and them slowly bonding on shared interests? Hey.

Rosie -- literal established queerplatonic partners, married for tax benefits, spending their evenings gossiping, hating on Susan and Al rolling his eyes on another romance-rel drama Rosie was trying to help sb with. Rosie can have insane influence on him whether it is understanding modern things or just being with him when he needs it. It also gives off mom/son to me.

Husk -- fucked up master-pet not-friendship with probable care rooted since they were closer in past. Is it toxic? Yes. Is it giving off some problematic dynamic? Sure. Yet it's fucking complex on its core considering pilot, bits and pieces of their interaction and how easily Husk used to insult Al until he overstepped. Them two are quite similar if you think about it and if Al got over his ego it could benefit him a lot.

Niffty -- daugther/father dynamic with them sharing one sadistic-psycho braincell and genuinely enjoying each other's quirks. Protective Al? I just need more Niff and them two being partners in the most outrageous crimes.

Mimzy -- friendship going since they were humans, with them having an amazing (potential) backstory of sharing evenings on two. Al enjoying her company as well as being protective and helpful to her with nothing in return.

Charlie -- manipulated into trusting you as a dad figure? Don't tell me there is nothing below Al's creepy plans or that he wouldn't grow to care for her. He already is proud of her and finds amusement in her inspiration-skills (also, performance is his thing for a reason)

Angel -- I was honestly kinda upset we didn't see any interactions between them except one sex joke, coz my past era of Hunicasts was a fuel to their duo. Them bonding over how different they are is the best description of their dynamic. Also banters and body-puns.

You can't just erase Alastor from interacting with people, but putting him inside boxes of allonormative relationships while he has such a fucking huge potential for everything beyond just that - is quite.. disappointing. People turning a blind eye to a wide variety of relationships he can have (potential to which is set in canon) for the sake of just romance/sex is low key sad.

It's AWESOME to see ppl actually understanding it and.. damn THANKS to everyone who explores Al's relationship with others without it involving final wish to stick tongues into places. Dynamics can be interesting and exciting without it.

I really don't wanna project my romance-aversion onto Al, but when romance and sex is one thing you see everywhere.. it's hard to just let it slip.

You are allowed to do whatever you want, exploring physical intimacy is fun as well, and having Al, well, there are bunch of ways to show it with respecting his orientation and the fact that IT AFFECTS RELATIONSHIPS/ATTRACTIONS but please just don't make it the center of your attention, the one thing relationship revolves around, coz sadly it's just exactly how it looks like from some folks.

[risesthenight]

if u ship alastor with other characters and see nothing wrong with it, then u shouldn’t be mad at ppl shipping angel dust with women

“but he’s gay!! he doesn’t like women!!” yes and alastor is aroace and doesn’t like anyone but suddenly that’s when it’s okay to break canon right ??

neither instances r okay btw

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[erraticprocrastinator]

Reposting this on Tumblr because, why not?

I’d like to add, now that I’m free from X’s character limit, that I am aware that there are a select few people out there who do write or make art for certain ships with the goal of criticising or “fixing” the relationships and identities in canon, but, at least from what I’ve seen, I truly don’t believe that this is the majority of Hazbin shippers (or non-canon shippers in general). Especially for a show with such heavy queer representation, with a largely queer audience, where most of the popular fan ships are also queer, I don’t think most people are approaching this with erasure in mind.

I know that I, for one, definitely didn’t start shipping RadioApple because I wanted to ignore or change Lucifer and Alastor’s identities in canon. I just found myself drawn to the characters, and their potential for chemistry outside of a canon setting, and decided to let myself have fun with those ideas — which, until now, I kind of thought was supposed to be the purpose of fan content, anyway. I don’t ship them because I don’t like who they are in canon, or because I want them to ever get together in canon (I don’t!), just like I think it’s generally assumed that most people who make gender-bend content don’t actually want the characters to be a different gender, or that people who kill off their favourite characters don’t actually want it to happen.

I’ve truly never seen this be such an issue in any fandom other than Hazbin, even for other LGBTQ-friendly animated shows. I know that this fandom can be pretty hostile in general, but I can’t pretend that I don’t find it disheartening when the comments of almost every adorable piece of fanart I find are littered with things like “but Charlie is with Vaggie!”, “Alastor is ace so this would never happen” (a topic that honestly deserves its own post), or “Angel can’t be with XYZ because HuskerDust is confirmed!”. We know guys. We know. That’s why we sit here writing fanfiction, making fanart; to explore ideas we haven’t seen in canon, or that haven’t been expanded on yet. Fandom is supposed to be a safe space for people who want to test their creativity, not a place to jump on each other because of it. As always, if something isn’t your cup of tea, you’re free to scroll past, click back, or filter out. There’s no need to rain on content that ultimately isn’t harming anyone, especially, and I really can’t emphasise this enough, especially if you support non-canon ships in other fandoms.

[lacrimosathedark]

Okay, it is incredibly rude to tag a hate post with the ship in question regardless of the ship. It's not hurting anyone. You don't have to like it, but maybe don't needlessly antagonize people minding their own business.

Lucifer is not married. That's a major point in the show, that he and Lilith have split up for quite some time and she has been completely unreachable for 7 years. He still wears his ring because he still loves, not because he is still bound to her. If he were to find someone else, it would not be cheating or "homewrecking".

Alastor is not canonically aromantic, according to Viv. it's just a popular headcanon.

Asexual people can still feel romantic love, and aroace people can still experience intense devoted affection. Queerplatonic ships are popular with Alastor for that reason. That being said, orientation is about attraction, not action. If Alastor wanted to date someone of have sex with someone, that doesn't stop him from being ace.

And very importantly, fantasy is not reality. Someone might imagine a story that includes infidelity when they would never cheat themselves. Plenty of people write about murder and they aren't being accused of killing people. Hell, there's aces who write sexual scenarios who wouldn't touch a real person like that with a ten foot pole.

Let people enjoy things. Feel free to complain on your own blog. Don't tag it like that. You're just being an asshole.

I’m not homophobic, I just really hate RadioApple and aroace homewreckers

[nyancreeperpony]

Alastor Shipping Discourse is so weird to me, because, on one hand, I get where people are coming from when it comes to being against shipping him.

But on the other hand, I'm pretty sure that a good percentage of the artists I follow on Insta who do ship him with other characters are some flavor of aro and/or ace.

[cannibalistic-deer]

About Alastor and Shipping

I'm going to be completely honest here, as an Alastor fictive who is also aroace.

I think it's quite ridiculous in a sad way that aroace people who aren't fictives at all are so sensitive about people shipping Alastor.

Do you take it personally that someone is shipping an aroace character? Because you're aroace? It's not personal, and as long as nothing about canon changes, there's nothing wrong with it.

I put up with seeing drawings of this character, who I am a fictive of, doing things I would never do and am repulsed by. I hate seeing it. I'm unhappy with a significant portion of fandom content. And I just scroll past it. Because I know it's not about me, personally.

If such things became canon, it would be a problem. But no reasonable person is saying the shipping is canon.

There aren't very many "canon" ships in terms of the characters actually, currently being officially together. There's Charlie/Vaggie. And I think that's all. There are some characters who canonically have some feelings for others (ie. Pentious for Cherri Bomb) or have previous relationships (Lucifer and Lilith, etc.), but they are not presently, canonically, doing most of the things people are putting into shipping material.

But the point of shipping is NOT to make it canon. A lot of people don't want their ships to be canon at all. It's just exploring relationships between fictional characters.

And really, it's easy to imagine why so many aroace people also have Alastor ships. If a person is aroace, they may want to (or just be naturally inclined to) use a character they relate to when they are using shipping to explore topics or relationship types they don't want to personally be involved in.

NONE of the fanworks that people are making have any effect on canon. Canon!Alastor is not becoming any less aroace (or asexual at minimum) just because people are making fan content about him being in sexual or romantic relationships.

So what is the goal of complaining? To stop shipping? You can't do that. To stop people from posting about their Alastor ships? That's censorship. Being pro-censorship is not the right move.

In any case, it's all ridiculous to me. Just ship what you want. Let other people ship what they want.

And if they canonically put Alastor in some kind of relationship that changes his identity? Then sure, grab the pitchforks and have at it, because that would be erasure.

But until then, stop thinking you can police fandom content just because you personally don't like it.

[yearnoyama]

Every time i saw someone saying that charlastor is a pr0ship because they are father and daughter coded an angel loses its wings

[jasminebeanbun]

Post for my Hazbin fam ad nauseam from your local ace elder (am I an elder? My knees and back say I am, so leggo):

Asexuality is a spectrum. The resident deer radio man is only confirmed to be ace, not aro. If you headcanon Alastor as aroace to represent you, then more power to you! I will agree that our media is over saturated with sexual relationships and we need more friendships! More QPRs! More buddies!

At the same time…A LOT ™️ of people are saying that shipping Alastor is disrespectful to ace people. I am here to say that it is not in the vein of asexuality alone. I am a great example as someone who is ace, but also biromantic. I am someone who considers myself to be in a friendship-based QPR, but it also doesn’t even have to have a category or a name to it. I have explored sexuality and spicy activities. Some are fun, some are not for me. It’s all good.

It’s okay for ace people to have sex and like it. It’s okay for ace people to be sex repulsed. It’s okay for ace people to feel neutral about sex. IT’S OKAY for ace people to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as it’s consensual.

Sexualities are complex, and it’s okay for them to change and evolve. Hell, (ha) Alastor didn’t even know he was asexual. And ships have always been ways for fandoms to express themselves. I was there when the deep magic was written on livejournal and fanfiction.net. It’s always been an outlet. And I ship Alastor three ways from Thursday, and none of them involve sex. They might if my creativity calls for it, but my headcanons and fics haven’t gone that way yet.

I know COVID changed fandom dynamics. But it is fine to not like a ship, a headcanon, a trope. You do you. But policing how people use a character in our little patch of the hellaverse…let’s not do that. Let people explore and express themselves. We’re supposed to be having fun, and I volunteer to be the resident chaperone that annoys all the people at the party asking “WHY AREN’T YOU HAVING FUN? GO DANCE WITH SOMEONE DAMMIT.”

And I’m an introvert. But I volunteer.

And I’m going to make Al and Luci kiss now, because I want to.

K’bye. 😘

[tamarahtalkstv]

No.

No One Likes You.

You’re The Terrible Dick Who’s Ruining Other People’s Fun, Not Censoring Their Ships’ Names, And Spamming And Clogging Up Their Hashtags.

Also Did Anyone Notice That This Asshat Only Bought Up And Singled Out The Gay Alastor Ships?

So Many Of My Theories Have Been Becoming Realities This Year…

[ieatsporks11]

some radioapple fans are completely fine people that just like the ship and are okay that it might not be canon

others, however, need to calm down

like, seriously, as long as a ship isn't incest, pedophillia, or legitimately dangerous for a character, who cares if it's shipped?