#nd vs army

[marengogo]

So i have seen many jkkrs say that jkkrs and Tkkrs are the same yet at the same time they say that jkkrs needs to stop or they would become like tkkrs after some yrs so which one is it exactly? Are jkkrs nd Tkkrs same or not yet?

I have a question for you, so over the yrs i had shit experience with armys, i know someone who's got harassed by armys to the point of stalking them for month long. Although my own experience is not as bad but yeah it was hardly ever pleasant. So can i go ahead and and generalize armys and say armys are a shit Fandom? I mean there's too many ppl that has been harassed by armys even the celebraties because of which they even fear to mention BTS cause they don't wanna get dragged by armys and that's ig the most feared Fandom even by BTS's frnds. The fear comes from harassment. So do i get to say the whole Fandom is shit? Or can i say it's same as the hateful bp fans? Do i say there's no difference between armys and any other Fandoms who harass ppl online?

Another question is why are ppl expected to like all 7 members? I hardly vibe with celebrities so anyone expecting me to love 7 celebrities suddenly is something i can't do. I mean it's not because i don't want to it's simply because i don't vibe with each one of their personalities and even their artistry. Some members might have personality traits that i don't like and their music is also not my type so why am i expected to like them? What remains there for me to like about them? Am i not allowed to like ppl based on my choice, interest? If ppl are ot2, ot4 etc etc why do others immediately assume you're anti of other members? I mean as long as i ain't hating on any members online how am i an anti??

I saw some discussion about these things and of course I know you're aware of that too so i wanted to ask someone about these things cause i genuinely find it unfair to generalize ppl and expect everyone to like everyone when as a human many ppl literally dislike besties of their siblings etc so this expectation is something that doens't sit right with me. I know ppl say it's said by BTS but again i know for a fact that all members know they all have solos and as long as you're not shit talking about any members I'm sure they would be fine. In chapter 2 all members have gained their own solo fans and in future as well if they try something in diff fields like acting n all they'd again gain solo fans who won't always love all members and I'm pretty sure all members are aware of that.

I'd love to know ur opinion on this. English is like my 3rd language so my vocabulary is limited so sorry if things sound rude or something but it's a genuine question where I'm expecting a genuine answer and not a sarcasm. Hope u understand.

Hello there, my English-Is-Not-My-First-Language Anon,

As a person who speaks Japanese, another European language, and is learning Korean, your command of the English language is excellent, and in all honesty, I’d say that it no longer requires you to apologise in my opinion. I used to apologise a lot while speaking Japanese the first years, but now I feel like that makes me look disingenuous, so I’ve stopped.

Also, one last thing before I reply to your ask, I’m giving you a pass because I am hoping your tone was lost in translation, as you said, but, for future reference, do not tell me what and what not to do, okay? You are coming to my page with a grammatically correct, but tone-deaf essay, so if I give you sarcasm, sass and savageness, it is because I usually match the tone I am presented. But once again, I’ll take it easy on you. 

TIP💡: If you don’t want to sound confrontational words like please, should, would, could go a long way. Like the I’d love to know you used is 👌🏾, but expectations usually come off as rude when you are requesting something from someone.  

Let’s begin with your J1kookers vs T4ekookers question. If you have some time please do read my Shipping & All It’s Shades posts, it will explain quite detailedly where I stand on this. I wrote this in 2022 and back then I didn’t realise that the answer to my ??? was quite simple, which is; I’m not a shipper. 

You see, with them, it is always a competition. One day a toxic T4ekooker will find out that JK smiled at Tae at a different 45 degree angle than he does to other members, so then toxic J1kookers will prove that in fact he does smile at 90 degree angle but only with JM … and so on and so forth. These competitions become really nasty at some point and they always leave me thinking: do they even really care? 

If they did care, they wouldn’t care about what JK does with Tae, or what JM does with Yoongi, etc … they’d just want to cherish JK & JM’s bond and hope that if needed one day, they could be of support. From where I stand, the majority of T4ekookers and an increasing minority of J1kookers, just use the Maknae line as pawns in an imaginary love-war they’ve created and are each desperately trying to win, so I don’t really care for either.

If I may also candidly add, I am giving you answers based on the same information you supposedly have, so I’d hope you are not waiting on me to tell you “J1kookers are not as bad as T4ekookers, follow them!”, cause nah, that ain’t me bro. Please reach your own conclusions, just like you did on the rest of the post.

Moving on to said rest of the post; I don’t own you. If you want to generalise and say that AMI are pisses of shit, that they are just as bad as bl1nks, or whatever worse thing you can think of, you go on ahead and do that. If every experience you’ve had with 0T7 AMI was hazardous and you’ve made your conclusions, it is a bit nonsensical for you to come to me, an OT7 AMI, for permission to dislike, don’t you think? You don’t need permission to dislike and I am not going to beg you to like me. That being said, FYI, I have never once harassed anyone on the world wide web and don’t plan to either, but that is just me, one AMI in a sea of thousands of AMIs.

In fact, there are presently 48.5 million people following the BTS’ Blue Bird account. How many do you think are AMI? How many are just GP? How many are just antis and solos keeping tabs? Let’s say that only 1/10 are AMI, that would make it 4.9 million people; did you get to interact with all 4.9 million people to conclude that AMI are BAD? If so please let me know, cause technically you’d have to exclude me from that, as this is the first time we are interacting, and I don’t think I’m harassing you. 

By the way, fun fact, I am also not too fond of many Blue Bird AMI myself, but if you go on B4NGTANTV they have 79 million subscribers, which is at least another 20 million people to keep into account, or if you want to only consider 1/10, it would be 2 million which … I don’t know about you but  … generalising over millions is tough, still doable, because you did have your bad experiences, which we are not going to discredit, but … it’s a lot of people to mass all together under the one label “BAD”, don’t you think? But once again, it is your right to think as you will, feel and/or need.

Last but absolutely not least, why are ppl expected to like all 7 members? I can’t speak for every AMI, but me, I don’t need anyone to like all 7 members, that’s why biases exist, but I do expect for people to at the very least respect all 7, which is why solos shouldn’t exist. This is a band that was literally presented to you thank to the blood, sweat and tears of K1m N4mjoon, K1m Se0kjin, M1n Y0ongi, Jun9 H0seok, P4rk J1min , K1m T4ehyung and Je0n Jungk0ok. In more than one occasion they have expressed the importance they have to each other and how important it is for them to still be a team even while doing solos activities. 

So you don’t have to like member x but you should respect the fact that without him, and all the others, your fave would not be here in his present capacities. In the same way that without your fave, none of the other members would be here in their present capacities either. I am not asking anyone to go around waving a Y0ngi Marry Me flag, if you don[t like him, but when he is in need of help I would appreciate your help, for the simple fact that without him there is no 875 and without 875 our boys would probably not bounce back very well. They’d each be super successful, sure, some more than others, guaranteed, but would they be happy? Would they be mentally and emotionally okay?

Solos, just like shippers, are a cancer waiting to spread, and some of them don’t even realise that. Many of them become solos because they resent AMI for something they might have said and done to the member they like, so such sentiments, in no way can be the result of anything healthy. AMI is not perfect, never was, and never will be, but we are the fandom they named, so we are the voices they will listen to mainly. So for the most part, we have to be strong and push through many a time, because I know that when they need to reach me, they are not going to look for me within their solo fans, but within AMI, even when nowadays hate tweets get up to a whopping 120k likes which is A LOT, but it is still not even close to 1 million. 

As you rightly said the members know that they have solos fans, on different occasions they have referred to AMI & fans during their chapter two. Yet when they introduce themselves, they are always and still Member x of 875, aren’t they? If you want to find information about your fave on WEVERSE, you are still going to click on the BTS community, don’t you? In contrast, J3nnie from bp has a page all for herself, even though bp are supposedly still together.

Doesn’t this kinda makes you think that, if anything, being together as a group is important to each of them? So if it is important to each of them, shouldn’t this be important enough for us as well? At least important enough to have us respect their decision to be still considered a unit, while still pursuing solo global domination? Once again, you don’t have to like them, but you should respect them, all seven of them. 

And that's it from me. I hope I’ve answered all your questions satisfactorily. I have nothing else to add, but if I could make a wish for you, I wish you find the good side of AMI, it is easier to find them IRL to be honest, the world wide web is full of people wearing so many masks, you really can’t be sure of who you are talking to. When I first got into 875 I did it by myself. Watched RUN BTS by myself with reactors on YT, researched the albums by myself, watched lives by myself while checking live translation on the Blue Bird app, where to this day I don’t actually interact, just watch and get information and screenshot 😬🤡. 

Then I came here and I was blessed enough to find 3 people whom I adore, but I didn’t set off with the intention of befriending AMI, to this day they are actually the only AMI I talk to, I am not in GCs and don’t really care to be either. I am a bit of a lone wolf. So good luck Anon, I mean it, wherever you can, please be open minded and try to use critical thinking as much as possible, and even better, if you can, don’t let a few stains ruining the big picture.

Always respectfully yours 💜🫰🏾,

Marengo.

[the-firebird69]

There are other things too that are delineating that he will be out of here shortly. And out of Hera's hair. And yes these had to lead the way but we had did help and we hate this person he is a **** boy is he in a shit. They are cordoned off their cities are surrounded in the Eastern Hemisphere larger armies are showing up now and armies of trumps are going towards the cities to try and remove them. They don't care if you say you have the AI or not trump they're going to kill you anyways and cut your head off and flatten your brain they don't care about your dumb talk. Submusing to hear you but really if you need to shut up and they need to JC and Mary not you that's what they say

I. fleets in space are surrounded if they heat up the shall be destroyed, what is left is small due to insistnace to prusue Venus and our Daughter there.

II. your seperatist cities are surrounded in the esastern hemispher and soon the west, cordoned off. and deemed for destruction. armies of yours vanquisehd if they approach.

III. your western cities trump are cordoning off now huge armies sit outside them and tgo into tunnesl to do so bja psueodo empire msic and mac proper cut you off and cut you up now too shit ok your shit trump.

IV. your bunkers for security of your stshes and caches are all blocked. 35% re defunct and 10% are innaccessable leving only 55% totally blocked but not destroyed and with half your rmies in them than there were last week.

V. youir buners for your illegal nukes and there are plenty of the bunkers are surroudned blocked and infiltrated 97% of your devices disabled. soon all. at those locations.

VI. 90% of all devices of yours re disabled and in your ciites if they go off your cities only are destroyed. lol.

VII. your areas of operation empty fast and to the bunkers and spertist cities to hold them and take your stsh cache weaponry. forced it you say but none of yours survive. and ai we h ave itthanks. yours sucks and is that of a child.

VIII. your intermingled areas in the general populace are now raided and you flee to your cities and see armies at them so you cointinue in the west to the cities, in the east you cannot so you find weapons and try to hit them. where looting you re shot dead nd fast now by militry paramilitary cops and more. tons shoot yours dead now on site. and hate you your vulgar and idiotic shits.

your out soon in outher words. and soon. shortly. ok loser and you dont know how to read or write never did it well are blind a s a bat and mean as all heck. soon to be deead.

we thank you for the motivation and exposing yourself you are a wild card and terorrist and we take you down and due to your yap here and horrid shit with our son. you pay for it all now all of it. and tons end your life not just us or himd or she. your inane ok tons hit you for your talk trump and co. tons.

Thor Freya

good bye freak trump bye ok out you go

Hera

maybe you can go bother stan but really he wanted you out teh whole time and you forced him to raton you and yours. due to your mental illness and delusion. your a sick puppy. and yeh ok your nukes re disabled and you know it yet you think they could go off tons of tiems you say this idiot shit to me try to have me believe it and your idiot kid. now you leave trump you idiotic homo. and you are a massive fool. fell for almost all the tricks in the book andconitnue too what can is say your a pre amble and you soaked it up, failed to see it, now your dead. and in effigy geet hnks for being so fn dumb you encourage the macs vs us you ingrate shit fucker. and your the cheapest shit ever. stepped on everyone to go up ruined lives took don tons of intelligencia of your kind and youi should be ashamed....very shamed. but you are too stupid and sick to get it. your not winning i mean can you tell yet you oaf. whigger..shut it shithead.

Zues

Hera

what do you have to say for yourself fucking asshole

Zues

im mean and will rpove it to all and you

billy hicks

youi only proved it to me the ohters kill you and youirs of f take your stuff so impressive a lone child stuck and poor and weakly. how wonderfully pitiful you re bily hicks

Zues

so what i am a man and oppress people. and they were. and they felt it. for few years. but shit this is true im done due to harrnging you and hving others. this blwos andmac proper did it. and im out and it looks feels tastes like me. they hd us go to the cities and you told me to find it and i didi not the biuilt shiops this blows. we see it. now my fleeets go now your angry all are. we see why nukes and too many and die for me why i will mess it up firstly. so i get it good. and your gonna pay for it no he sys you pay had me sya most of it and your a shit loser...tons hit you macs too protect me due to their own plan ...and i settle this and not due to that i am a baby cant hold it. true. f this they die...i am at them soon.

and you fine this blows i try to nab you and im out soon. feel it. made huge mistakes. and i said it im his kid and they hate me. im doomed. i said it a lot. an im not his kid no. at all. he hates me good and such. but this blows. im out soon. need this see it toomuch on me will try here

billy hicks

traitor to you now. fitting.

Zues Hera

not a perfect anolgy and yes he is far too stupid but you see. your huge and are not and such. and he sys john r had something to prove to everyone i have it to prove to the oppressors...they know wht im about here. and shall. nad i say it he is you and such and he always syas nope diferent people group and more. and a hangup. and worth it. we see it no. he says no not htem on you lol. get out the vacuum. ok we see

but an anology no shit thanks. thank you frs. you get tht and your dick here dicked you ...we see that. is horrid. a losser dicsk all so we see. is a dead man. and you are after him well some time. after. and you say no i cant her it from you and this dolt. ...and you may go first. same treatment they are getting...no way this blows shit brick lol ahhaha lol

mac proper

they are hit by it and by the clans they say. and die and are like these farts s if we care ok we dont and your idiots we are not your loyal subjects and they dont care either biden wihses you gone only. ok you asses.

Nuada Arrianna

we are hit and a h uge emmitter. and we take it back we needhim in and try now and hit the juicy bugs here.

macs

Olympus

we see it them. hear it and aloose anology no you will hvv money companies wealth power militry stuff. and lose. and they say they pllanned to do it to them. and you there. so i get it. of but cant now. and he understands. i go down. as the lcan did and to ships no bu tok shall ihahhah

billy hicks

[struggle-but-its-all-ocean-floor]

I'd simply say it's the difference in timeline cause i have seen ALOT of tweets during seven as well as Golden as well as fri(end)s as well as rpwp and during HOTS too. it's the same accts tweeting. Most difference would come from solos and ppl who has biases. For example i follow this one acct on twitter and they seems to be rl bias. During rl's music i saw them tweeting so many times about everything regarding the album like streaming, records, achivements, sales, analysis etc etc. but now during MUSE release i have seen just two tweets from them. one was "I love when jm dances" and another was "I want the acoustic version now" that's it nothing else at all. they talk more about what's going on in k-pop than the current album at hand. I see more tweets of mhj nd hybe drama from them than anything related to jm but as long as U're not hating on the I'm fine.

That's one of the reason in many others.

One thing i have also noticed is the more you make records the more tweets are there on the tl. in past i used to interact with big army accts so i used to see them on my tl alot but now i don't nd i hardly see them on my tl and I'm pretty fine with it. idk if they're talking about muse or not even lol.

About the treating jm underrated artist so pushing him more then I'll say all this time armys have underestimated jm. despite knowing he's atleast 3rd popular member all i have seen during face is how great and big jungkook and taehyung's solo albums are going to do. i have seen comments under jm's achivements as "This is just jm now imagine how jk and Tae's albums will do, oh they gonna EAT" from literally army chart update accounts and I'm swearing on whatever god i belive i have seen those comments from big accts as wel as other armys. None of them were expecting jm to do well and be that first korean soloist to get #1 on Spotify, #1 on hot100, #1 billboard artists. i remember this one pjm getting dragged in their qts by again update accts when that pjm said let's get jm #1 on hot100 and all armys up in their qts were laughing at them saying it's impossible for solo members to get it. i have seen one update+ shooter acct saying "girl it's good to aim high but let's be realistic now but do you know who can give us that #1 hot 100 ? jk x jb" lol these were the comments i have seen during face and i won't forget how everyone undermined jm's chart success despite him always doing the best chart wise among all members. Armys goal for jm was never #1 but it was top 60 on hot 100, it's only when they saw prediction acct's prediction they thought we have chance so I'll always give a big chunk of success of that #1 to jm's solos than armys. Not saying armys didn't help of course they did.

About jkk then there's nothing more for me to add cause what you're saying is what it is, has always been. wished it would change along the years but it never did and after chapt2 it's never going to change but has fuelled more hatred towards jm and jk together is all.

It might be my timeline. I follow Jikook and that one famous Jimin dance accounts so my "For You" page actually has a surprising number of Jimin solos. But I'm not fully convinced about your point. The members do not all get the same attention. ML and Yoongi get more support and enthusiasm for sure. People are not mass buying and streaming at the same level. Obviously, the most popular members have stronger solo fanbases, but even ot7 Armys are biased and there is a lot more enthusiasm for releases Armys know can break records vs. those that have no shot.

About underestimating Jimin, you're right, because his fanbase (solos + Jimin biased) is much stronger than I thought. But I disagree with some of your points. It's natural that Armys didn't expect that #1, but they moved fast when they realized there was a shot. They wouldn't have aimed for a #1 with JK either had he released Golden first. And after Face did so well, it's also kind of natural to expect that Golden and Layover could do better, because the fandom generally improves and achieves more with each win (at least for ml). Golden did do better than Face and Layover did pretty well for that kind of album tbh. The company also more or less improves with each cb.

But thanks for sharing your opinion. I still don't know what's real or not because it depends a lot on what you see on Twitter, but it's true that I misjudged the power of a strong solo (+Jimin biased) fanbase.

[princess-of-the-corner]

Yeah like litterally there just was a Waybig VS Monty Army & Montyzord, Milo's existience, nd accidental creeper explosions they admire it from afar but do not aproach.

Yeah......

[ruby-whistler]

@justalads hi, hello! made a new post because didn't want to clog up everything with a suuper long string of reblogs, so i hope you don't mind!

also, i'm sorry to ask you this, but i have trouble focusing - in your next reply, would you maybe mind cutting up the big paragraphs into smaller ones? i'm nd and it's extremely difficult to concentrate at long strings of text like that, which is why i usually cut up everything i say into chunks :]

(actually had to have my friend cut up your last reply because he's a v fast reader, shoutout ani lmao)

anyways, let's continue the debate i say because there's a lot to still talk about in my opinion as well

/dsmp /rp, and of course all /lh

as for the whole was manipulated / wasn't manipulated thing, there's pretty much a divide amongst most people i know whether or not to call it that - but since that word's been misused a lot in this fandom, here is the instance most people are referring to, for you to judge for yourself, in this very (in my opinion) well-written analysis!

since i myself am very confused about the subject but i think it'd be better for you to read that first, i'll just move past that for now i think.

i attached a lot more resources this time because i remembered that a lot of people who agree with me on these things are smarter than me so, sorry for the links you'll have to click through this time but i think it could help me articulate what i actually want to say better.

i don't think i entirely get your point about it "making sense for him to progress like this". i don't know what you mean by 'make sense'. it comes off as 'he was always going to become this way because of the kind of person he was in the beginning' which, i don't agree with in general? because no, you don't just become a bad person, and especially with c!dream i find that this ignores a lot of the things that he went through.

also, i wouldn't say everyone had equal hand in what happened. "a product of his environment" means everything sort of mixed together; the way the world works; a cycle of violence, eye for an eye, and no therapy or communication.

dream's spiral isn't a result of any one character's actions. c!wilbur started the whole big wars and animosity thing, but that's only about 50% of what i'd call "the environment". there's also a lot of personal mistakes and miscommunication mixed in.

so no, i'm not saying it was entirely "other characters"' fault, what i mean is more that they contributed by you know, treating him as the incarnation of all evil, breaking his personal boundaries, overall just no one treating him like they should a person (this is overall their attitude over multiple seasons), etc..

and also another thing i meant to say was that he didn't deserve the abandonment. no one deserves to lose half their friends once (l'manberg when they turned against him for literally no good reason in his eyes), and then watch the ones who were the last remaining and the closest ones he had, leave him one by one because of an image of himself he had no control over, which was started by one and then perpetuated until he became a literal hate magnet. people did hurt c!dream, and he didn't deserve that.

all i'm saying is that i see where he is coming from, and that his spiral wasn't a result of powerhungriness, or cruelty, or any other personal flaw, but it was literally someone who cared about people too much getting driven too far by the circumstances he was put into.

and i think that is my overall statement for now.

you said i was "brushing it off as george being a drama queen" for the whole dethronement scene. i read what you said about it, and i'd like to ask you to once again watch the actual stream.

george literally tried to steal the l'mantree and got assassinated by techno beforehand. i don't see why he would be in any way in the wrong for dream taking away his kingship, and i don't think it is reminiscent of a power dynamic or dream having "higher authority".

dream thinking george can't handle himself is completely justified considering what he did and how he didn't even attempt to stay neutral. he was supposed to be a diplomatic figure who would make sure the dream smp doesn't get into wars, that was the point of pretending to be a monarchy (because the dsmp really just isn't, it's anarchy with a diplomatic representative and an army general).

here's a thread which besides other things mentions things dream did for the two of them, and besides fighting with him in one (george) or two (sapnap) wars they really weren't "loyal to him for a long while" compared to the amount of times he sacrificed things for them.

"have an equal say in things" doesn't apply when one of the three is trying to keep peace and the other two instigate conflict left and right. like i'm sorry but i don't see why dream would owe them a say in the faction he's trying to protect.

dream doesn't think of them as lower. that actually just sounds like guilt-tripping your friend to let you take care of a pet you've poisoned before and he had to rush to the hospital. peace is fragile and these two weren't responsible enough to be given the power to break it.

to say "george didn't want" it was an overstatement. he literally did nothing as a king and he had no control in the first place (because the dream smp doesn't have a government in the first place).

the whole thing about him being sad was for show because c!george is a manipulative prick who takes advantage of his friends for fun. and i don't mean this in a bad way, he's not a bad person for it, he's actually a really fun character more than anything, and he doesn't hurt anyone on purpose - but he's a jerk! he's done it before and now he's doing it again, and he continues to do it (dreamxdcoughcough-)

so no dream was. absolutely not in the wrong here, it wasn't even supposed to be public, george just made a big deal out of it.

the last thread i mentioned also talks about the whole "spirit speech" thing and, answer me a question - would you consider it justified for all of tommy's friends (even tubbo who he's been close with for so long) to abandon him just because he's said basically the same thing about the discs - like three times?

that's just the double standards though. phil and techno are still being hated on for "abandoning" a kid they barely know - and meanwhile dream's been given up on by everyone he's ever cared about before being given a chance, but people try to find ways it's his fault, like it matters.

it doesn't matter, because abandonment hurts you, no matter if the people have good reasons for it or not, and in this case they didn't. the point i'm making is this character has been hurt and has been actively hurting and it's been ignored for bias' sake.

i'm not saying they're bad people for it, or responsible for his actions. some of them are bad people independently (/hj). but they still affected him.

“if respect is the only thing protecting you from a knife in the back, then respect is nothing, right?” yeah? i don't see the point in this either. interesting to point out that dream learned this the hard way with you know, no one having respect for him as a person and only being able to fight for what he cares about via 'an axe and a shield'.

and no, dream didn't have an arising god complex. he was becoming more desperate for control because of his circumstances over the course of s2, but the god complex only happened in the prison because he had all control of everything (who he gets to talk to, what and when he gets to eat) taken away for months before being shown a smidge of power again. that's just a natural reaction to very messed up circumstances that had no buildup other than that.

the no-remorse thing - he could be remorseful and we wouldn't know. that's not even speculation, that's just saying that pretending to know whether or not he regrets things is a weak argument because we have no evidence for or against; we don't see his pov. that he doesn't show it doesn't say anything, it's a vital part of his character that he doesn't show what he's thinking.

"friends support each other" yes, and none of c!dream's "friends" ever did. it's a contrast with how much support for example tommy, tubbo, or wilbur got. not saying they weren't all abandoned as well, but no one has been alone to the point c!dream was or completely emotionally isolated for so long. his experience in this way is unique, and hence it's formed him in a way it hasn't anyone else.

dream didn't hurt george. he did create a place in the vault for his fish (that would be mars, not beckerson though), and he did do bad things to other people. he had reasons to be upset at someone who he didn't expect to do bad things doing them. it doesn't justify the things he said. it's a lot of explanation vs. justification when it comes to this server, and this is an example of this.

it wasn't a reaction to him being directly hurt by him, which is what you had implied (if i remember correctly) in the last post, and it wasn't right of him to do. also i agree he wasn't betraying him with what he said in prison, he'd done that a long time ago anyways.

"puffy does not dismiss people’s trauma just because they are adults, or if she does i haven’t seen strong evidence of it." jack, nikki and in a way the eggpire. dream is not far behind, but not the main example.

"you point out that she’s a guardian figure but from what i remember that lasted for a couple streams and after that wasn’t really mentioned in canon. if she really saw him like that, then maybe she would have checked up on him earlier and maybe would have told him off."

i'm pretty sure it was canonized by cc!puffy saying c!puffy isn't his biological mom, but that she sees herself as his guardian figure. so yes, she really saw him like that, and yeah, she "would've" checked up on him earlier; or rather "should've", but she didn't, and that's precisely what i'm talking about. that's not how you treat someone you allegedly see as being a guardian of. not saying c!puffy's a bad person, but she's another one c!dream was attached to and who failed to ever reach out to him before deeming him deserving of what he's (was, because admittedly it's gotten worse since) going through.

"she said at one point that he didn’t deserve to see her but she still cared about him."

this is what i mean when i say she has a moral superiority problem. like she's doing something extra by being a decent person. i know this might come across as cynical, and i swear i don't hate the character, but that sentence is very hypocritical, you must admit.

"she did try."

nope! she said she was going to try. that's the problem. i'm not talking about intentions here in the slightest, i'm talking about the actual consequences and effect it had on him as a character and why it's just very sad in my opinion that none of the people he thought were close to him stood by his side or even attempted to help him.

the entire original post was very clearly stated as not blaming most of these characters for acting in the way they did. it was "critical" of a lot of them in a way, but i never said anything negative about them other than describing things they did that had a negative effect.

i stand by that, because i truly believe they did all those things, and them having good intentions or personal feelings doesn't change that. it contextualizes them, but doesn't take away from the harm.

saying "it's not her fault" about puffy for example or that "it was just a reaction" is excusing those things, which is what i disagree with.

here is a thread as to why people like puffy or sapnap saying certain things is understandable but still very messed up, please read since it details parts of what i've said here in an arguably better way.

you also phrased the whole "she didn't abandon him either" part like he was the one who cut the ties which is not true. she wasn't there for him, is the point. another person he cared about who didn't prove to care about him enough to stop him from spiralling or try help at all.

if "they don't owe him anything" is your base argument against someone being hurt via being left by people they care about over and over again until they're utterly alone with no support system and unhealthy mindsets, we might have to agree to disagree :) /nm

please clarify if that wasn't the intention, because it sounds like it.

"i think that how people feel about it depends a lot on when they started watching, and who they were watching. the thing you have to take into consideration is that at the start of l’manburg, a lot of the roleplay was not very serious. the sides were messier than they are today. that doesn’t work or make sense for people who want to see it as only one thing, and are fixed in their ways so much that they’ll ignore canon to prove their point."

i've been watching since august and yeah, i agree. i've always seen c!dream as in the right at that point, so it's definitely different for the people who haven't seen that happen.

"you seem to have a very fixed view of wilbur: that he only wanted power, that he enjoyed tearing people apart, that he lied all the time, and that he was attempting to paint dream as something he wasn’t."

to be fair, you seem to have a very fixated view of wilbur too. i do think he wanted power, but also just to revolt for the sake of it - i don't think he straight up enjoyed it but it was a means to his ends, i don't think he lied all the time but he lied much more than people realize, and i don't think he just attempted, i dare to say he was extremely successful.

"you also see him as conscious of what he was doing the entire time, and sort of treating the war like a game."

i'd say a story or narrative is a much more fitting metaphor. also yeah he's so much smarter than people give him credit for, but i guess covering it up was intentional as well, because manipulation ain't meant to be obvious at first sight now is it? like for example c!dream, that man was awful at it. he's just. so bad. unironically. he did cause a lot of harm, not diminishing that, but man. his manipulation is the clumsiest thing i've ever seen, people calling him a puppeteer is such an overstatement, it's really funny to me.

now c!wilbur? he was really good at it. that's what i mean by "you need more than intelligence", because emotions are stronger than critical thinking and can be exploited easier. all the sentimentality around l'manberg is a great example.

"wilbur didn’t go around trying to recruit people by saying “dream is bad”." yeah no he started by straight up lying to fundy when they first met (if you rewatch the hot dog van video, there's really no denying that), then he lied some more to tubbo while praising him every time he followed his orders, i don't completely remember eret's recruitment, and tommy looked up to him since the beginning, and it's very easy to see that c!wil took advantage of that.

he did tell people they needed to revolt against tyranny though, that's precisely what he did and how he got them to side with him in the war. by tyranny he meant everyone in the server who wasn't european, picking dream as the scapegoat since he had the most power (not by establishing it in any way, but simply by being skilled) and it was smart to do that, not gonna lie!

"weak businessman" is just not true. he was planning to "use the tommyinnits of the world" aka, the "young and naive" (his words, not mine) ones whom he could "mold", in order to establish a capitalist empire based on stealing from people while lying to them about saving them from being sick.

this man was planning to take power from the start and he was going to use lies to get what he needed. from the beginning i have no reason to believe why he would change his goals when he proceeded to do that very thing and achieve it, just put "revolution" instead of "business" as a guise of what he was actually doing.

"you quoted revivedbur’s stream as proof it was, which is funny because despite saying wilbur is someone who lies you missed a kind of big one." yeah, as someone who mentioned people ignoring canon earlier you missed kind of a big one.

the only reason people disbelieve this is not because it doesn't align with canon, but because they assume he's lying for the sole reason that it doesn't align with the way they see canon.

the reason i believe it is not because i believe a word c!wilbur says (i never have and never will), but because it aligns with what actual evidence has been saying from the start, as well as the way cc!wilbur talks about the character. it's simply further confirmation of what many people already knew; an extension even, if you will.

people tend to take things characters say at face value and then use it as their only evidence; "if you want to hear why l’manburg was created, you have to listen to wilbur when he created it."

what they actually ignore is you know, the actions, not the words. according to his actions and all known laws of logic, he was lying since the beginning, and that is the point. and it makes sense for him to lie, unlike in alivebur's case.

"i say he cared about l’manburg because it drove him to death."

yeah he did care! cc!wilbur said so! he also said he cared about it in a twisted way and that he had an unhealthy view of possessions. he thought l'manberg his and no one else's, a weapon of power for him to use however he pleases.

unlike dream who destroyed himself bit by bit trying to take back what he cares about, because it was not power, but people - wilbur saw no more worth in it and destroyed it instead. his own death and spiral was a collateral, because that isn't a healthy mindset either.

interesting foils, actually, i didn't notice that before.

"the whole time wilbur was attempting to portray a character who was a chronic liar and manipulator, and it was all planned out from the start. purely because of the chaos of season one i don’t think this is possible."

i reckon you're underestimating cc!wilbur here. that man could play a convincing, complex, morally messed up character while roleplaying with kindergarteners.

"and, you know, if he’s saying “dream is not our enemy” that hardly sounds like forcing a narrative onto him?" i mean i don't think i need to give evidence as to wilbur calling him a tyrant right after. i was just talking about how hypocritical and downright ridiculous his later accusations are, which you didn't address.

"because what he’s saying is that dream’s actions are tyrannical, his rule is tyrannical, not him." no actually, he said right after; 'big words, that's what we use in war', about calling him that, so i don't reckon that is the case. he was calling him that for the sake of it, and later on everyone ended up believing him about that despite there being no evidence. i must admit, the man's very good at what he does. he constantly changes the narrative to whatever benefits him and somehow gets away unnoticed. that was my point.

dream didn't tell sapnap it was a bad idea because it wasn't...? wilbur was going around stealing from people while lying to them. wil was framing himself to be the victim. like the whole "drugs" bit was funny but wilbur was only making drugs to estabilish, once again, a capitalistic empire he would be in charge of, on dream's land, and he was also doing it via dishonest means.

the intentions never changed, it was simply the way it was achieved that did, which switched from just lying to straight up propaganda when people managed to stop him at first.

so yes, wilbur's definition of tyranny very much was being stopped from stealing.

so yeah, even if dream would've done the same to them, he a hundred percent would be in the right, but he didn't even do that much, which makes wil's accusations all the more ridiculous.

just because sapnap was fighting against being stolen from - and others being stolen from - doesn't make him tyrannical or a government. your teacher in school isn't a government just because she has authority of some kind?

"wilbur’s problem was that sapnap could do that and get away with it." well then that's his problem, because people should be able to get away with protecting themselves and others from people trying to rob everyone on the server of a specific item and then gain power from selling rare supplies.

also it was sapnap and tubbo, they both did the same thing, and wilbur didn't seem to have that much of a problem with tubbo, now did he? he accepted him right after he gave them supplies, then rejected sapnap when he did the same. the people he was accusing of being tyrannical were very selective, and he seemed to be also selectively choosing whoever he was "protecting" from said "tyranny". though i guess "using the tommyinnits of the server" also included using tubbo, now didn't it?

"i highly, highly doubt that was what it was written as at the time."

yeah, dream did quote the lion king, but that doesn't change the way that it was anarchy. dream's "no factions" thing he had going on also included no government by default, showcased by him having problems with people starting countries. if it wasn't anarchy, what was it then? because that's literally the only thing that fits. there was no government and even dream described it as a "family" rather than any form of hierarchy, so i don't get your point. some people are going to have better things than others, and they'll be able to protect themselves and others better, but there is no system in place, that's literally how anarchy works. their mock court with no actual laws enforced by no one doesn't count i don't think.

the fact they thought they had a reason to attack her doesn't change the fact that they attacked first, so dream had all the reasons to believe they were aggressive and was fully justified in declaring war. this makes the statement "dream attacked first" untrue as well.

wilbur knew what he was doing, he knew he was going to scam people for power. if he thought he was being mistreated he could just stop trying to mistreat others.

i do agree it became a lot of other things for other people. i think that's one of the reasons wilbur destroyed it though; it was supposed to be his l'manberg.

if the power was supposed to "let him do what he wanted" then that's quite ironic considering what he wanted was power (you know, the reason he started the drug empire in the first place), not because he wanted to "make drugs undisturbed". that is quite literally an obvious lie he used when they first started and somehow people have totally forgotten that was not the truth.

"he didn't want power over others" cc!wilbur said he wanted to have power over l'manberg because he thought it was something worth having power over. if you consider l'manberg the people, then your statement would be untrue. then again, maybe he simply wanted to have something be fully his because of his possessive nature.

"he would lie about his past actions out of a place of self hatred." is just. reaching, with all due respect. this man might be mentally unstable, but that makes literally no sense when the day before he was saying how he had "plans to make". he thinks ahead, always.

"what if one person wants the “freedom” to attack another? it’s still technically allowed, but obviously it’s morally wrong." yeah that's what i mean by not infringing on the rights of others. in that case they shouldn't have that freedom, just like wilbur shouldn't have the freedom to restrict others' freedom.

also i see the whole "words" schtick as manipulation because it was. they said they "fought with words", like that doesn't sound like a peaceful solution, more like a different approach, and it was because that is what they did.

other people believed in the ideals of l'manberg and they protected it for good reasons, but that doesn't change the fact it was build on lies by a liar and it did exactly what it was meant to do - it divided people.

i actually talk about it in this post here!

"wilbur was saying that he wanted to create something important." nope, the quote continues something like "make them think it's important because you want to have power over it, when it's not." here's the link to the whole clip.

"wilbur showed in the first war that that wasn’t his main motive" i've already said why i find this misinformation. he said it, he didn't show it, and that is because it isn't true.

the "something worth" part is just. taking things out of context to the point they're something completely different. yes, it was worth something to wilbur, and that worth was power. that's literally what that means.

the greater smp did represent anarchy and peace. that were the ideals c!dream was fighting for, and still was later on, that much was obvious if you look deeper into his character, so i'm not going to argue, other than that based on the information i have, it's incorrect.

"someone who wanted peace at the start and someone who tried to protect the thing and people he loved." see you tell me you didn't fall for propaganda and then say this. the thing he loved was his own personal power, and that was the end of it. if he wanted peace he wouldn't be starting factions and accusing people of being tyrannical while he himself was trying to estabilish an empire. i'm not saying he's an awful person, they're all morally grey, but that's just what all the actual evidence points to.

"your view shows him as lying about practically everything to everyone all the time, never caring about the citizens, and striving for conflict."

again, i don't believe he liked conflict for its own sake, but he did create division for his own benefit the way i see it.

yeah wilbur said it genuinely to tubbo when he first brought him armor; when the rule was first established. here's the post where i found it.

wilbur was never a dictator because people didn't listen to him, which is why he did the whole election thing, with his other plan than a democratic election with no democracy being this:

Wilbur: “We can either, Tommy, right – we can either become a dictatorship, okay…we can just suddenly decide, ‘right, we’re in charge,’ and we just start – we start asserting our dominance. Now the key thing to being a dictator, is we need to control the center of power…so we get an army going –”

Tommy: “What is the center of power? Is it like some cube, or like an orb?”

Wilbur: “The army! The army! The banks, you know? We take control of those, and then people will do exactly as we say, right? That’s the dictatorship route, right. The other route is the democracy route. Now, this route’s gonna be slightly harder, but I have a plan. So I was thinking…what better way of making people believe that you’re in charge than by having them vote for you, right?”

so uh, i wouldn't be so quick to say he didn't plan on being oppressive to his people. he was literally planning to start an army and take total control of the economy to "assert dominance" over his own people -because he didn't think they respected his authority enough and was irritated by it - but instead defaulted to lies and manipulation of the crowd. you see a pattern already?

"the feelings of l’manburg were more like friends than a hierarchy even though he was technically in charge." this is the thing with dream though, except there was. actually no hierarchy. the original dream smp was this but actually true instead of just being a front. no one actually needed l'manberg, wilbur made them think they did. tubbo and sapnap used to be friends before this. the friendships inside of it could've existed without, and would've probably been better off without being stained by war.

wilbur didn't fear for anyone's safety, and i don't get where you would get that conclusion. the dream smp was already safe, people like dream and sapnap were making it safe.

"people that were already in l’manburg had been affected firsthand by dream. they knew what he was capable of and so were fighting for l’manburg and each other, not because wilbur told them to." i don't find this true at all, please elaborate because i have reasons to believe this is incorrect.

the quote you’ve listed is very interesting to me, because it first of all shows dream’s “ends justify the means” mentality (that is also shown in an explanation of his motives during moments like this, which happened after the war), as well as trying to end the war as soon as he could.

the dream smp was freedom. the freedom wilbur was asking for was the freedom to take the land, take the people dream considered his friends, divide them and create a government.

wilbur was verbally aggressive with dream since the beginning, back when he was cocky. this only shows that dream was one of the few people who didn’t fall for his words. his main point in his motivation during the war was not wanting to give them independence, which would be, well, giving wilbur power over the land *and* the people. so i think from his position this is extremely understandable.

but back to the topic at hand, wilbur’s speech here means literally nothing, because it’s as untrue as everything he’s said before - in both intention and meaning - as well as being a last attempt at turning the situation in his favor using words. he said he was a peaceful businessman back when he was robbing people, and not like that meant anything when his actions said otherwise. both sides had their losses and were ready to harm the other, neither was the victim, no matter how good wil is at playing one.

dream was giving them chances over and over again. you can literally see he wasn’t hurting them because he wanted to, even despite it being war he was willing to step away at any moment should the other side surrender. and, well, of course dream’s perspective wouldn’t mean anything to wilbur, because he had his own, and he knew no one was going to believe dream anyways; he made sure of it.

i’m not saying he wanted violence, but that doesn’t mean he was good or pacifistic. he was *ready* to be violent if needed (see the armor quote again as well as the fact they literally fought), but i too would be happy if i was able to to colonize someone’s land without any resistance or conflict if you know what i mean. guess wilbur realized rather quickly words wouldn’t work on dream, which is why he got verbally violent and didn’t seem opposed to fighting him later on (during the actual war).

reminds me of exile, in a way. can’t get them to listen to you and give you what you want? get them out of the way in a different manner.

either way, point is; i’m sure wilbur didn’t want to fight, i don’t think him a fan of violence *at all* but he was the instigator and was ready to perpetuate war to get what he wanted. (see him also being willing to make an army to control his citizens, but using underhanded tactics instead to make people think they were voting for him.)

the whole “dream attacked the child soldiers and was always the one to start it” is quickly negated by the way dream constantly asked them to give up instead of fighting. it was literally wilbur who pushed them to go on and risk (and lose) their lives. dream’s said later on that he “had to” do what he did (he was being genuine here), which means he, in a way, felt responsible for stopping wilbur & l’manberg. he didn’t want to be violent, but unlike wilbur, he wasn’t going to be able to talk them out of it. it makes sense he would turn to threats and intimidation to try and get them to surrender first, i mean, what other choice was there?

l’manberg weren’t the ones forced to fight, is what i’m getting at.

dream wasn’t any more violent than wilbur, it’s just wil was better at non-violent, but still morally reprehensible, ways of getting his way, and he used them to his full advantage. neither of them wanted violence for the sake of it, and i never said that; i just said wilbur’s “pacifist” schtick was a total ruse, and never meant anything about his actual “peacefulness”, which i still find true.

as for the whole “manipulated or didn’t manipulate” thing with the vassal scene, the first link i sent here i think describes my stance quite well. but it’s very interesting to note that there’s a theory wilbur legitimately thinks dream selfish, which is why he said that - either way, the effect remains, dream was essentially shut down after trying to gain back people’s trust and help out who he considered the “good side”.

dream was very obviously making efforts, giving tommy and techno as well as the pogtopia cause as a whole a whole lot of supplies, including his crossbow which he had a personal attachment to. he expressed outwardly that he was on their side, to the point where he refused to call l’manberg “manberg” and then was caught off-guard when wilbur called it that during the vassal conversation.

dream was attached to tommy, as shown by fighting for him during the eiffel tower conflict, and also helping him overall. their relationship was always very interesting, but after the l’manberg war, their friendship never really changed - tommy scammed the discs back, that had at that point legally belonged to dream, but he didn’t seem to hold even that against him as he tried to help get back l’manberg with him. they were the sort of friends who would tease each other to hell an back and fight on the battlefield each other but still have friendly vibes… you know what i mean?

i think this is why exile hurt so much, to me. that i believe they had genuinely been friends once, before it went downhill at a hella steep inclide. but enough me rambling about what had once been my comfort duo and is now utterly unsalvageable.

either way, he was attached to the people involved, because a lot of the character strongly indicates he has a sense of responsibility (not control) over the people on his smp. it’s the reason he’d always get involved in conflicts other people started, like pogtopia.

his fatal flaw has always been caring too much after all - and not being cared about back, because sometimes, that’s just how life works. that’s what destroyed him. that’s literally the character, so saying he “could’ve just walked away” is dismissing pretty much his entire personality, but hey, i don’t blame you, just pointing it out.

the thing is wilbur did force him to make a terribly hard decision. dream could either give him the tnt, ally with the self-proclaimed bad guys, or let wilbur get back his power and go mad with ambition - not saying it would happen, but it’s what wilbur threatened to do. keep in mind dream’s main concerns about this whole conflict was schlatt going to war with the dream smp, as expressed by himself, and so wilbur saying he would genuinely do the same if he became president again was literally backing dream up into a corner.

“if dream thought wilbur was being a villain”

Wilbur: How much would you say that me and Tommy are kind of the bad guys here? We… We… I mean, we-

Dream: I don’t think you guys are the bad guys.

i… don’t know where you got that from, maybe you misunderstood something i said, but no, he definitely didn’t. until wilbur convinced him, that is.

“i’m also going to say that “villainization” and “calling out someone for hurting you” are not the same thing.”

yeah, they are. and dream was villainized.

so uh, first of all, wilbur literally said he was going to “use the tommyinnits of the world” in order to establish his capitalistic empire, then he called tommy “young”, “naïve”, and said that he likes him because he can build a foundation upon him, after which tommy questioned him and he said not to worry about it.

wilbur proceeded to lie to everyone including tommy about dream, the country he was establishing, to the point where tommy is seen confused in both the vassal scene and the revivedbur scene - asking why he would ally himself with dream both times, because he genuinely thought he was a bad person, a “dictator” they were fighting against.

wilbur didn’t reply either time, because he knew very well what he had done and he intended for tommy to think that.

during the entirely establishment he was exploiting the clingyduo not knowing anything about politics in order to enforce unhealthy patriotism onto them. he forced tommy to give up his hill-house and turn it into an embassy, guilt-tripping him by saying he doesn’t care about the cause (which was a lie) and that he can just leave if he doesn’t intend on being loyal.

and then there’s this scene:

Tommy: “Look at me in the eyes when I’m talking to you – There’s been some proper tyranny.”

[Wilbur pushes Tommy off the wall]

Wilbur: “Don’t tell me what to do, alright? You’re getting out of your comfort zone. Who’s the President? Tommy, who’s the President?”

Tommy: “How dare you, how dare you, you must respect manners, Wilbur! There are manners! There is a common etiquette that everyone must follow, my friend!”

Wilbur: “Tommy, who’s the President?”

Tommy: “…You’re the President.”

Wilbur: “Good lad, now come back.”

Tommy: “I – you’re gonna have to drop down a ladder, I’m not sure how we’re gonna –”

Wilbur: “Walk ‘round, walk ‘round, Mr. Vice President.”

and this is just before pogtopia. after this, wilbur proceeded to continue this kind of behaviour on tommy, with the whole “you’re never gonna be president” schtick - here we can see it actually didn’t start in pogtopia. wilbur had been pushing tommy down before in order to estabilish his own power and demand respect.

basically, tommy has been used by every adult figure he’s ever trusted and looked up to. which is part of why wilbur’s behaviour being ignored irks me so much, besides other things.

“when he was faced with a problem, he went for someone’s attachments as an attempt to get things back, and at this point hadn’t been called a villain. i see this as another precursor to the vault, again, the signs were there. the initial conflict of the disk war ended in general peace, it was the fact that dream never gave up those disks and continued to try and use them against tommy that hurt him.”

i disagree with this analysis of dream. he went for the discs because they were physically valuable at the time - tommy had only two, and he grinded hours for them, much like dream for his tools and armor. tommy formed an attachment to them as a result of the disc war, not the other way around.

he continued to use them for their attachment to get back l’manberg and then forcibly getting them back when the chance was provided.

dream didn’t use them once against c!tommy before he himself multiple times showcased how much he cared about them despite there being other discs at that point. dream only used them as placebo tokens to skeppy in order to get back something he was actually attached to, if i remember correctly.

dream fell deeper into using attachment because it became the only way to control his surroundings. no one had ever actually listened to him, and groups of people that had formed were too powerful for him to simply take on without reprocussions.

not only that, he became to lose control of everything - his friend’s house got burnt down and he wanted the person who did it to be held accountable? the leather of his dead horse got used to blackmail him! he was taught this from experience, not because he was “high on the power” or whatever your are implying was the reason.

“when he had then seen that dream would willingly hurt him, he began to call dream that and mean it.” he was taught dream to call dream a tyrant by wilbur, that’s literally what happened in canon. he did genuinely think he was a villain before the war, because that’s what wilbur told him and he trusted wilbur.

i am not taking everything wilbur says as truth. that man lies his mouth off every time he appears on screen. it’s just a character acknowledging what people who looked deeper into the narrative already knew. i’m not going to assume someone is lying when i logically know what he’s saying matches up with what i know to be true.

either way, here’s some more analyses on the subject you might wanna read to understand my points better and be able to more thoroughly rebut them: (1, 2, 3)

“with the sam thing, i am fairly certain that intentional withholding of food would be considered direct torture, and if that has not been retconned i would be surprised, but i don’t know.”

i… am genuinely sort of baffled at why you would think that? the prison arc is literally made to be about c!sam’s corruption, the mistreatment of dream (including mental and physical abuse) and c!quackity’s manipulation of the situation of his own gain. there is no reason to retcon the torture they put in on purpose? the prison arc is supposed to parallel exile and humanize dream. the people who have been analysing it all agree on that.

here’s a shorter (and outdated) list of the ways in which pandora’s is inhumane and here’s a longer one including things implied and more in-depth about c!sam and c!dream.

“the conditions are harsh and it’s interesting to remember that dream was the one who commissioned them in the first place (not meaning he deserves them, just food for thought)”

no, take your food back, i have heard this as a genuine excuse too many times by now. c!dream didn’t tell c!sam to physically and mentally abuse him. in fact he said that people would only be put in the main cell for 14 days max (the maximum amount of days before it becomes classified as torture by the united nations - man’s did his research), and they would have free reign of the prison. there have even been changes to the way the cell works since he’s been put in. he wasn’t going to subject anyone to the sort of thing he’s going through.

the only reason it’s happening to him is because people hate him and want him to suffer. the people of the server put him there because they thought they could use him later on, it’s a literal vault for a human being to be stored for later use, and it’s disgusting. people didn’t want him in the prison. they didn’t put him there to protect themselves. they were fully willing to kill him, and the only reason he is still alive is that they thought of him as an item and wanted to use his capabilities. (dream also buying into it, as he does with everything this godforsaken narrative enforces upon him, “i am the book”.)

i know it’s roleplay, but i’m emotionally invested in this arc, and it’s just so incredibly dark on purpose which people seem to ignore, so sorry for ranting.

“you say that you never said sam molded him into what he became, but you accuse the people of affecting dream and therefore forcing him into the role of the villain. i feel as if that is a type of molding?”

i’m saying no one molded dream on purpose, but what they all did (or should’ve done but didn’t) affected him in a very negative way nonetheless and should be acknowledged.

also, calling dream a monster or standing by while he gets ruthlessly murdered after following all orders and putting away all his armor and weapons isn’t very helpful of them.

“you saw it as skeppy “twisting his words”. this seems to be an example of someone calling dream on his crap, yeah? just because he’s twisting to defend himself doesn’t mean the other person is trying to make him be something he doesn’t want to be, it means that he’s uncomfortable or unable to deal with confrontation of his own acts and will attempt to justify them.”

no. i made an entire analysis of their interaction. that’s literally what he did, there is no softening that punch.

Dream: Anyway, um - you’re really making me out to be a bad guy! Like-

Dream: Look, we HAD to fight that war, okay? We had to fight that war, it was a necessary evil.

Skeppy: [Wheezes] No, it w- You’re telling me, you started the war too?

Dream: Yes! Because - listen-

Skeppy: You started it? It wasn’t even them, you started it-

Dream: Listen, they - they made a Declaration of Independence-

Skeppy: You one day woke up and said, “they don’t deserve that tiny piece of land”?

Dream: Well no, cause they made, they made a-

Skeppy: That’s literally what happened, one day you woke up and you said-

he continuously cuts him off while dream nervously expresses his discomfort over skeppy making him out to be the villain, and his refusal to listen. here’s my analysis of the interaction if you’d like to read it.

“i think it’s unfair to say that nobody tried to help him. people still treated him with respect and kindness for a long time and with those bonds it was ultimately him that cut them.”

no. name one bond that he cut first. george and sapnap? they left him first. sam, puffy, punz? he wasn’t as close with them, but he didn’t cut any of them off before they showed up during the disc finale ready to kill him. if that doesn’t count as them cutting attachments or abandoning him then i… don’t really know what you would call it?

“it feels a little victim-blamey to say that if only they had treated the guy hurting them better, maybe he wouldn’t have hurt them as much.” “you do say that dream is responsible for his actions, but you place the reason he did his actions on other people, effectively blaming them for how he turned out. this rubs me the wrong way because a lot of the people you accuse of doing this were people directly being harmed by him, and so it ends up sounding like they’re at fault for their own pain.”

well, it’s true, though? he was hurt and abandoned to the point when he didn’t care about hurting others anymore. that’s it. that’s his character arc. it’s not “victim-blamey”, it’s a fact. just because he ended up hurting people doesn’t negate the fact he was hurt himself first. the environment they all were a part of pushed him this far, and that’s just what happened.

the dream smp is a literal cycle of violence perpetuated by each and every one of them, and it’s awful for all of them. the problem is that they refuse to see things from others’ perspective and end up hurting each other as a result, which dream is a prime example of. that’s just the plot of the story, not victim-blaming anyone.

see the second to last line of my original post. “the entire dream smp is absolutely screwed, and every single one of them needs therapy.”

here’s another thread about that, actually!

i’m blaming the environment which includes the actions (which were often - not always - unintentional mistakes) of the individuals, i’m not saying they “brought this upon themselves” or anything of that sort. everyone makes mistakes and those mistakes might affect other people and how they act, but that’s not saying i’m blaming anyone for being hurt?

“sapnap still considered him a good guy up until the moment that he saw the space for beckerson in the vault.”

see you keep bringing this up but that doesn’t make sense at all. sapnap came into the vault before he saw that. he made the conscious decision to ally himself with tommy during doomsday before he saw that. he accused dream of not caring about him and george, and left to make his own country before he saw that. you get the point?

the vault was the direct consequence of the hurt he’d endured, so i don’t see why you would ever list it as a reason for people abandoning him? the prison is just them continuing it, although at this point they might have actual reasons, it doesn’t negate the fact that they ignore his bad conditions and even perpetuate them.

“dream was not alone until he chose to be alone. it was tragic that he chose that, but it was ultimately his choice and this is evidenced by the vault.”

people do not decide to isolate themselves for no reason. people started cutting him off first, they turned against him first, they made him the villain first, they used what he loved against him first, they told him he couldn’t ever achieve peace first. he only cut himself off only after all of that happened, and i would’ve done the same! you would’ve done the same. it was a defence mechanism that only sent him deeper down his mental spiral, but it was a reaction, not a decision he made. the vault is a physical embodiment of how deep down he went and how bad his state of mind had gotten overtime through neglect.

also, you might wanna give the vault vod a rewatch as well, and then tell me the person saying those things is mentally healthy and definitely doesn’t need help.

oh! also, a thread on attachment about dream. worth a read.

just because a response is an overreaction or wrong doesn’t make it any less of a response. nearly all of the things dream did was a reaction of some sort.

he lists his reason for starting the war as them declaring independence, so i don’t think it really matters when the official document was sent.

“he also initiated the final disk conflict, with the clear intention of murdering tubbo and putting tommy in the prison as a sort of thing for his amusement. he said multiple times that he found the struggle with tommy “fun”, and said their fight wasn’t over because he personally found it engaging to torment another person, and that was how he got power.”

oh yeah, that definitely seems like something the guy who’s only ever listed his reasons as being peace and has been mentally declining ever since would be completely honest about in front of his biggest enemy. /s

the thing is, the way dream behaves in front of tommy is starkly different than everyone else. c!dream sees him as the “hero” and himself as the “villain”, which is why the pushing of the narrative on his part is so strong when they interact.

besides, so many things he says simply don’t match up at all.

basically, he is very obviously playing a part when he says things like this. nothing he says like that matches up with anything else about his character, and that’s the only explanation. besides, this man’s evil monologues are straight out of a “how to be a scary villain” book.

no discredit to cc!dream of course, but it’s like that intentionally. cc!dream has said after this that c!dream is “reserved” not only about his feelings but also about his “plans” and “intentions”. that quite doesn’t match up with what he yells at the top of his lungs during that scene, now does it? his mask’s very convincing, to be fair, so i don’t blame you. he’s gotten good at playing his part over the years, which makes sense seeing as it was always expected of him, and other people would talk for him if he didn’t do it himself.

“there are a lot of conflicts that dream has started.”

...alright? list any other ones besides the last one?

“buying his line of “only caring about unity” and “trying to prevent chaos” … he uses this many times as an excuse for his actions, and the fact that he was still excusing and justifying his actions makes me think that he still genuinely believed he was right.”

well yes, because he does believe that. he uses the excuse because it’s true. the justification isn’t right of course, but he is not lying when he says those are his motivations, which is backed up by his prior explanations as well as actions. i am not buying anything, it’s what’s become evident from analysing him that that is what he wants to achieve. it doesn’t excuse anything, but saying that’s truly his end goal isn’t incorrect.

becoming a control freak as a result of feeling the loss of control over your own circumstances isn’t equal to dehumanizing the people you’re trying to control.

he didn’t ever take george’s personal freedom. he didn’t start using attachments because he thought it was convenient. i have literally no idea where you’re getting these claims from.

“dream’s actions during exile and the vault do not look like those of a man who is trying to get better but thinks he “has” to be something. honestly, it looks like a guy on a power trip who thinks he’s god and is going to try and prove it.”

both of those are wild misinterpretation of the character. which is understandable seeing as you’ve said already you never tried to look deeper into him, but it’s incorrect nonetheless.

he was trying to get better up until the 16th, which is when the bad things that happened to him stopped going up and instead went downhill, like, really fast. alright, that metaphor probably makes no sense, but you get the point. he had stopped trying at the point of exile, is the point. but he also does think he has to be something in order to “fix” his home.

he wasn’t on a power trip at all, he didn’t have a god complex up until the prison stripped him of all his dignity and then threw an opportunity at him, and he wasn’t trying to prove anything to anyone. that’s an easily debunkable assumption, but, well, guess it’s easy to make.

“there is a clip in which dream says he doesn’t really care how others see him and he doesn’t care if they think he’s bad.” yeah, i know he said that a couple of times. that’s him going numb after he was affected by how others saw him for way too long, which is completely natural. again, a psychological defence mechanism. him saying that he doesn’t mind others calling him a villain or a monster and even seems to agree that his methods are villainous but has just stopped caring makes the situation all the more messed up. makes the character all the more tragic.

“it requires dream to be lying about how he feels all the time. not technically impossible, because he does not talk about emotions.” he is emotionally repressed. it’s not just “not technically impossible”, it’s likely and fits perfectly into his character arc in canon.

“and if a writer is telling their story in a way that only makes sense if you disregard everything they say, i feel like it’s not very good storytelling, unless that is the entire point and the character is based on that.”

see, you get the point here. cc!wilbur is literally the man with an arg around him that has still not been solved. why would he hand us everything on a silver platter? why would he not force us to dig deeper and look beneath what is widely accepted? he literally talks about unreliable narrators constantly poking fun at how the audience seems to take things the characters say at face value, and i’d say early c!wilbur is a prime example of that. it is good storytelling because cc!wilbur pulls it off brilliantly.

it’s also called “the metanarrative”, which is a giant focus of the dream smp if you look closer, especially during the time cc!wilbur has been writing it, especially the establishment of l’manberg where he constantly talks hypocritically on purpose (he said something along the lines of “dream, you can’t just come onto someone’s land and take it for yourself, are you an idiot?” during the early days along with other things e. g. blatant trump references “we’ll build a wall and make the mexicans pay for it”, which i find hilarious) and you know what, good for him. people not being able to tell things go deeper than their feelings is, you know, valid, but also fun to watch, and cc!wilbur’s a controlled chaotic crimeboy.

“people stood by dream. people helped him.” none of them did that for long. “dream still had a system up until the moment he isolated himself” his main support system left by themselves.

i think you’re sort of purposefully discarding a lot of things and misinterpreting the character. it also seems you’re strongly biased against c!dream, which, to be fair, the majority of the fandom is.

look, i don’t want to attack your feelings about characters. you think what you want. but i’m basing my assumptions on evidence and also try to bring up evidence when i think people are misunderstanding because i believe it’s important to know the full truth. however, i understand the desire to not change your opinions if you feel attached to your current perspective - it's a piece of entertainment, you enjoy it the way you want to. you asked about it first though, so i’m giving you my opinion. we can stop at any time if you feel like we’re not getting anywhere, i’m completely fine with that.

i don’t want to seem aggressive, but i feel like at some points we’re just going in circles. would you consider talking over discord chat (better at writing longer messages than tumblr messages) so we can tackle each problem individually in real-time? no worries if you don’t, just thought it could work rather well to get somewhere in our discussion.

also, sorry for the surely numerous typos in this reply. i didn't have the mental energy to go back and proofread.

either way, have a nice day.

[amenomiko]

Masterlist 3

UPDATED LATEST ON 29TH APRIL 2021

RANDOM THOUGHTS / RANDOM THINGS

IkeRev MC and IkeSen MC’s Dilemma

Merry Christmas OC Photo

Sleeping MC vs Me

My Male Cos vs Fem Cos

Another Meeting of Cybird’s MCs

My random OC

Attack on Titan x Cybird’s MCs

Masamune with ‘Traveling the World’

IKEMEN SENGOKU

ALL LORDS

Tall MC

IkeSen Lords to their Son and their Daughter(Situation 1)

Lords x Twerking

Lords x Among Us

Lords x MC’s Asshole Boss

White Day

Lords x Eevolutions

Lords... and Museum

Games & Challenges to Win Her Heart

Lords x Southeast Asian Cultures

The IkeSen Guys to A Crying Baby (Not Theirs)

Closet Pervert MC

Swimming

IkeSen Daddies and Pregnancy Test

Meow Meow Lords and Cockroach

Meow Meow Lords

IkeSen Guys Reactions when MC Smacked their Butt Playfully

The Lords and Crane Game

His Reaction When She Sleeps in a Weird Position

Child Lord and Santa

Lords and Mistletoe

When IkeSen Daddies Change Diapers

IkeSen Lords Meets SLBP Lords

IkeSen Guys x Pokemon

MC Brought Gadgets from the Future 

His Vassal and Him

CHOSEN LORDS (MIX OF THE IKESEN GUYS)

Secret Relationship (Mitsuhide and Kenshin)

MC that Hides Her Real Feelings (Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, Masamune & Shingen)

How He Acts Around Her When He’s Drunk (Hideyoshi, MItsuhide, Ieyasu, Kenshin)

Not to Make Her Worry (Ieyasu & Mitsuhide)

Comparison - SLBP Ieyasu’s Retainers Meet with IkeSen Ieyasu

Comparison - IkeSen & SLBP’s Nobunaga and Ieyasu

Comparison - IkeSen & SLBP’s Ieyasu and Mitsunari

Compete (Kenshin & Mitsunari)

Musical Theater MC (Nobunaga, MItsuhide, Kennyo, Shingen)

Humble MC (Nobunaga & Kenshin)

Lords and Waterpark (Ieyasu, Mitsuhide, Kenshin, Yukimura)

Lord Turned into a Child (Nobunaga, Ieyasu, Mitsuhide, Kenshin, Shingen)

MC didn’t Exist (Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, Shingen, Sasuke)

Hideyoshi babysit Mitsuhide’s Daughter

MC that can turn into a Tiger (Masamune x Shingen)

IkeSen Lords as Werewolves

AZUCHIS

Onmyouji MC

Mitsuhide that Turned into a Fox

Mitsuhide x MC went to Italy

MC that Afraid to Tell Mitsunari that She is Pregnant

Retrieve that Smile Again Part 2 (Ieyasu x MC)

Retrieve that Smile Again Part 1 (Ieyasu x MC)

Ieyasu’s NIghtmares and Good Dream

Ieyasu’s Birthday Special - That Love & Hate Relationship

Mitsuhide - 0, Kyubei - 1

Come Clean (Mitsuhide x MC)

KASUGAYAMAS

If Only this thing Happen to Kenshin

Pampering the Bunny Lord

Belly Dancer MC

Monkey See Monkey Do

Single Mother MC with Twins (Kenshin)

INCORRECT QUOTES - ALL LORDS/NINJAS/MONKS/PIRATE

MC that Sneezes like a Thunder

Every.Lord.Ever

Happy Birthday Hideyoshi!!!

Helping Her With Rice

Living in an Apartment

Mitsunari and Standee

Coke

Pointing Game

It’s about the Sword

Stop Being Cute

Huge Storm

Sengoku High School Random Moments

Sengoku as High Society Workers

Ieyasu’s Version of Barney Song

Every.Lord.Ever.Again

INCORRECT QUOTES - AZUCHI

Confident

Pick-up lines (Mitsuhide x Hideyoshi)

April Fool

Kind Poo is Kind

Azuchi Lots and MC During Dinner

Road Block

Purple Cucumber

Mitsunari as Secret Agent

Cleaning Day

Propose

Ice Lemon Tea

Driving

Mitsunari’s WiFi Password

Spider

Azuchi and Getting Old

Sweet Talk

Hideyoshi in a Nutshell

Mitsuhide as a Cat

Mitsunari in a Nutshell

Breakfast in Azuchi

NO! I love you MORE

Hideyoshi’s Route

Framed Ieyasu

Mitsunari as a Diligent Worker

Pool Game

Mitsuhide as Kindergarten Teacher

Mitsunari as Tour Guide

Went for a Swim

How to Stop Hideyoshi from Nagging

If Masamune + Mitsuhide Combined

INCORRECT QUOTES - KASUGAYAMA

Yukimura or Muramasa

Be Glad Our MC is not like this

OH Crap

Flirts Like Nobody’s Business

Endure Like Armpit Hair

Kasugayama and Getting Old

Sasuke and Bottle MIlk

Chestnut Bun

Kenshin and Cutting

Call of Nature. Yeah Right.

Oh, Murphy’s Law...

Dat Ass

Cucumber

Hijacking

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells

Sweetness

Kenshin and Thumbprints

Yukimura vs Can Opener

Method to Hold in the ‘Need’

Giving Attention

Why?

Hotel..? Trivago.

Examples

Grass vs Yukimura

Petting Zoo

NSFW A.K.A SMUT / SLIGHT NSFW

Lords x C*nd*m

Their Secret Time Together (Nobunaga x MC)

Anxiously Good (Mitsuhide x MC)

You and I Knew (Kenshin x MC)

Enchantress Specially for You (Yukimura x MC)

MC Flashing her Bewbs Challenge

Soulmates in Pleasure (Shingen x MC)

Missing One Another (Kenshin x MC)

He Might be a Man of Virtue (Hideyoshi x MC)

Accompany (Yukimura x MC)

Sway of Lavender (Masamune x MC)

Thanks to Compatibility (Shingen x MC)

Even an Angel Could Change (Mitsunari x MC)

Mutual Needs of Pleasure (Nobunaga x MC x Shingen)

His Reaction on Sexy Body MC (Masamune, Kenshin, Shingen & Yukimura)

IKEMEN REVOLUTION

ALL IKEREV GUYS

Them x Toaster

Taking Care of Sick MC

IkeRev Army Guys Reaction when Watching Horror Movie with MC

Red Army (Only) to IkeSen World

IkeRev Guys Reaction to MC that Brought Lingerie and BDSM Items

IkeRev Guys Reaction to MC that Forgot to Put her Bra on

INCORRECT QUOTES

Red Army Crack

Sirius as Asian Mom

Choosing Anesthesia Method

Stepped on SHIT

Pain of the Singles

Anesthesia

Haunted House

Quiz

Volunteer

Nothing can make me Faint

If Kyle is in Black Army

Nightmare x Love Story

Breakfast with the Armies

Happy Insect

Reason for Lancelot’s High Fever

If Lancelot is a Cat

If Magic Tower is Genius

CHOSEN SUITORS (A MIX OF IKEREV GUYS)

When MC Give Birth (Lancelot & Ray)

Sequel to ‘Endless Teasing’ a.k.a Papa Harr

Plus Size MC (Lancelot & Ray)

Jealous Harr

When She Feeds Him Food (Nobunaga, Mitsuhide, Kenshin, Ray & Sirius)

MC is Pregnant (Ray & Jonah)

MC as Underground Hero (Lancelot, Sirius, Oliver, Edgar, Harr)

Baby’s First Steps (Lancelot, Edgar, Ray)

Him and Jealous S.O (Ray and Lancelot)

Getting Caught When He’s Being OOC - Edgar

Getting Caught (In Loving Their Child and Getting Out of Character Secretly - Baby Girl) - Lancelot, Edgar, Ray, Oliver

IkeRev Guys Reaction When MC Tells Them She is Pregnant (Lancelot, Jonah, Edgar, Kyle, Ray, Harr, Oliver)

NSFW A.K.A SMUT / SLIGHT SMUT

Endless Service (Lancelot x MC x Ray)

Secret Fantasy (Lancelot & Ray)

Got Walked In When... (Lancelot & Ray)

When She Called him “Daddy”

Endless Teasing (Harr & MC)

First Time in History of Their Love (Lancelot x MC)

Wet Dream (Lancelot & Ray)

That 1% Chances is the Winner

His First Play (Sirius x MC)

What Have You Done to Me (Sirius x MC)

7 Minutes in Heaven (Lancelot & Ray)

His Reaction when she Squirts (Lancelot & Ray)

Scandal with the King (Lancelot x MC)

When the Impossible IS Possible (Lancelot x MC x Ray)

[class1akids]

Hi! Since it's the Pro Hero Arc time. Do you mind doing a fanon vs canon take on Endeavor (or any other character)? I loved your take on Shouto and I'm curious how you see some other characters ^^

OMG, I can probably count on one hand the fics with decent Endeavor characterization. Fanon portrayal of Endeavor, is basically one-dimensional all-evil incarnate human trashman independent of the timeline  (I know there are Endeavor-positive fics out there, especially in the Endeavor/Hawks corner of the fandom, but since age difference ship is a huge squick of mine, I don’t read those).

I understand the temptation to have him as the “evil” to overcome, but I find it a pity when his growth arc gets completely erased. I personally think that it creates a very compelling narrative not only watch him struggle to get better, and try to deal with his past sins - and there is many ways this can go down, because no matter how much he regrets it, he just can’t fixt it -  but also how it challenges his family, how it turns the old dynamics upside down, how everyone has to decide where they stand. And all of those reactions  - forgive, not to forgive, being ambivalent - are totally valid, but neither of them are emotionally easy.

So I’m always happy when I come across fics or fanart that tries to develop on the canon dynamic.

Fanon!Endeavor is an abusive asshole. He’s guilty of every depravity; from sadistic child-beatings, to raping his kids, to homophobia, to trying to force his children into arranged marriages and whatnot, no matter where we are in the timeline of the show (and obviously those fics that were written before the pro hero arc could not have predicted Endeavor’s redemption, but I see it in recent fics too).

Canon!Endeavor - pre-Kamino - is an abusive asshole. The canon facts are pretty damning on their own:

He likely coerced Rei into their marriage (I’m not saying 100%, because I regard Shouto as unreliable narrator),

he likely forced her to have more children than she wanted in search of the perfect heir,

she hit her and verbally abused her,

he sent her to a mental hospital not to help her mental problems but to separate her from her children,

he neglected his older kids,

he trained Shouto using cruel methods bordering torture,

he isolated him from his siblings,

and he did something pretty terrible to Touya.

I think this is a pretty terrible list and to me coming up with a bunch of extra shit makes it feel like somehow the canon truth is not bad enough.

Canon!Endeavor post-Kamino realizes all the terrible things he’s done and he’s tripping over himself first to reconnect with his family, and once he realizes how self-serving that is, he’s really trying to make it up to his family, knowing full well that he can’t. I find this struggle of Endeavor deeply human and fascinating.

Fanon!Endeavor is not only evil, but often a stupid oaf.

Canon!Endeavor is actually pretty smart. He has great tactical analysis - just watch how he analyses the nomu during their fight, he understands Midoriya’s analysis, he quickly breaks Hawks’ code. 

Fanon!Endeavor has no personality, beyond being evil for the sake of it.

Canon!Endeavor is much more layered. He’s prideful, petty, 

but is also hopelessly out of tune and extremely awkward (both as a hero and as a private person)

is hilariously bad at texting,

has a dry self-depreciating humour 

and is caring in a tsundere kind of way.

Fanon!Endeavor is sometimes portrayed as an incompetent hero.

Canon!Endeavor at the core is an extremely good hero, who focuses on the job, thinks very badly of celebrity heroes, is at unease in the spotlight. He’s not as inspirational as All Might, but he was still an important inspiration for some (Hawks, young Inasa, Can’t-ya-see-kun).  He’s capable of self-sacrifice for others. He saved people and genuinely did good for society while being shit to his family. This is what makes the dichotomy of his hero and private persona so interesting.

Fanon!Endeavor is filthy rich, flashing around his wealth. Has an army of housekeepers, gardeners and what-not.

Canon!Endeavor is pretty well-off, certainly has a nice house, according to Shouto has used his money to get Rei, but otherwise seems pretty understated with his wealth. He apparently had one housekeeper whom he didn’t replace once she got sick. He drives around in a tiny car.

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[padawanlost]

Hey Padawanlost I haven't ever asked but could the Jedi win the war without the clones? Because I don't think the Jedi had any other option. I am not saying they are right but could you tell me how can the Jedi win the war without the clones?

Hey anon! There’s a planet called Earth that has its people have been killing each other and waging war since day one rather successfully and, as far as I know, no clone army has ever been used. Of course, you might argue that it’s different because it’s citizens dying but I’d counter argue that clone lives are as valuable as any other life in the world and the fact they were robbed of their citizenship doesn’t justify them being dehumanized and killed in someone else’s place. 

As for the ‘lack of option’ excuse, that’s all it is: an excuse. And it’s one that has been used for years to justify all sort of crime, injustice and persecution including slavery. The slave owners had no choice, what were they supposed to do? Hire people? That’s unheard of! What was the Republic supposed to do? Draft people? that’s impossible! 

Seriously now, the ‘they had no choice’ is only a valid justification for a crime – make no mistake, slavery is a crime in both our world and in the GFFA – when the person is under duress and even then their responsibility is still debatable and open for interpretation. And even it was simple legal justification (and not also a moral one), it’d not be one the Jedi Order would fall under. They were never under duress and they had not been stripped of their agency.  The were offered a choice between two terrible options, but a choice nevertheless. They could’ve walked away or refused to play generals as many jedi did. 

Following the Battle of Geonosis, many Jedi chose to leave the Order rather than serve as generals in the Republic army. Others, such as the Jedi Master Sora Bulq, chose to ally with Count Dooku and fight against the Republic. By the end of the Clone Wars, it seems that the Lost Twenty had been reduced to a footnote in history. [Star Wars: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force by Ryder Windham]

Each time civilization threatened to topple into ruin, the Jedi faced a momentous decision: Did the Republic’s survival require the Order to intervene directly in its affairs? At various points in galactic history, the Jedi reluctantly decided such intervention was necessary. They stepped in to prevent the young Republic from annihilating the Tionese, plotted in secret to overthrow the Pius Dea chancellory, and served as chancellors while directly ruling large swaths of Republic territory in the chaotic centuries before Ruusan. Each time, the Order surrendered the powers it had assumed, returning to its guardian role. But as the Republic decayed and the Separatists gained strength, the Jedi began to once again debate whether a more activist role was required. By 22 BBY matters had reached a crisis point. This time it was the Supreme Chancellor himself who asked the Jedi to assume a new role: A powerful army awaited Republic command, but the Judicial Forces were ill prepared to lead them. Mindful that the Separatists were led by the Jedi apostate Count Dooku, the Jedi agreed to lead the Grand Army to Geonosis in an attempt to short-circuit the Separatist threat. [The new essential guide to warfare by jason fry]

This wartime bargain caused a rift in the Jedi Order. Some Jedi welcomed the chance to take action, but others saw leading troops as a betrayal of key Jedi precepts. Even Jedi who accepted their new responsibilities were badly strained. They grappled with the morality of leading clones who had been bred for war, and watched Padawans and younger Jedi Knights succumb to impatience and anger, burning for revenge on the Separatists and their leaders. “In this war, a danger there is of losing who we are,” Yoda admitted in one of his darker moments. But the Jedi Grand Master had no idea just how much truth his words held.” [The new essential guide to warfare by jason fry]

They didn’t even have to leave, all they had to say was no. They were not under any kind of legal obligation to lead the army. They did to avoid a political problem and because they were convinced they were better suited for the job. They wanted to protect the Republic because they believed it was their duty. I would hardly classify that as a ‘lack of option’.

To make matters worse, they actually lied about the clone army origin. So they put themselves into a situation where they didn’t have all the answers. They could’ve avoided the whole thing by simply saying ‘we have no idea where this army came from and this should be further investigated.

The Jedi Master rubbed a hand over his forehead and looked to Yoda, who sat with his eyes closed. Probably contemplating the same riddles as he was, Mace knew. And equally troubled, if not more so. “Blind we are, if the development of this clone army we could not see,” Yoda remarked. “I think it is time to inform the Senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished.” “Only the Dark Lords of the Sith know of our weakness,” Yoda replied. “If informed the Senate is, multiply our adversaries will.” For the two Jedi Masters, this surprising development was troubling on several different levels. [R.A. Salvatore. Attack of the Clones]

Anyway, what could have they done other them leaving, refusing or telling the truth? They could’ve done what the governments always do: send their citizens to war. Palpatine wanted the war to be between droids and clones for this version, to avoid the massive citizen outcry. As long as they weren’t the ones dying the public would be much easier to manipulate. As clones as it was only clones dying Palpatine could keep the war going without damaging his popularity. 

Corellian senator Shyla Merricope speaks about this during the events leading up the war

The decision comes after a week of closed-door meetings between Bel Iblis and Corellian Diktat Shyla Merricope. When the Military Creation Act vote was announced, Corellia was one of its most outspoken critics, both in the Senate and the planetary government offices in Corellia's capital city of Coronet. "CorSec's men and women will not be drafted into Republic service, to die on a distant world outside of Corellia's borders. Nor will armed forces from other worlds be billeted in our homes." Merricope said in caucus, the day following the vote announcement. She later told the sector's leading newsnet, Corellia Sector Newsfeed, that she would do "whatever possible to preserve the integrity of Corellia for Corellians." Corellia Closes Borders [x]

The war was not the Jedi order’s sole responsibility. It was never up to them alone to fight for the Republic. They were part of the Judicial department, a department that hosted the Judicial Forces the Republic’s main (semi)militarized force. The idea it was the Jedi or nothing is not supported by evidence.

So, no, if they had refused the Republic wouldn’t have been helpless. In fact, many lives would’ve been saved (including Jedi lives) because Palpatine’s ban on peace talks would’ve been unsustainable without an large army to protect the Senate’s interests.

Another option would’ve been droids, a option the Republic refused because clones were cheaper.

So, how could the Jedi win the war without the clones?

By refusing to fight they would've ruined Palpatine’s plans, that’s always a win;

They could’ve demanded peace negotiations, since that was their main job;

They could’ve requested drafting or volunteers.

They could’ve requested droids;

They could’ve let the Judicial Forces take charge;

The Clone Wars were the perfect Jedi trap. By fighting at all, the Jedi lost [Matthew Stover. Revenge of the Sith]

Again, how could the Jedi win the war without the clones? They would’ve never won the war with the clones because the clones were there to kill them. So the best way for them to actually win the war was to refuse to accept the clone army.

But, really, the best solution possible that I can think of, is for the Jedi Council to accept the clone army but ONLY if they are made free. They could easily say it’s a against the Jedi believe to accept a slave army so the Republic would be pushed into giving them rights and actully ask them if they want to fight. So, instead of an army of slaves they would be leading a army of volunteered soldiers. Those who refused to fight could be offered jobs in the outer/mid rim planets to help the local economy and trained protection in case of a separatist invasion. 

Let’s not mistake the Republic need to fight with the CIS and the Order’s desire to help with the need for a SLAVE ARMY.

How do you win without a slave army? You don’t use the slave army. Look man, the real question you have to ask yourself is if slavery is ever justified. Because that’s what you are asking me, and my answer will always be NEVER. There’s no situation where using slave labor is a righteous choice. If you think the Jedi had it bad, try looking at the situation from a clone perspective. Ask yourself when it’s okay to breed someone, buy and sell them, shorten their lives, rob them of their childhood, deny them their rights and send them to die for a life they will never, ever be allowed to live.

The only characters who truly didn’t have any choice in this entire story were the clones.

I love the Jedi, I truly do, but I don’t need them to perfect for me to love them and I certainly won’t make excuses for slavery and cruelty just so they can be seem as perfect or righteous. There’s no valid moral justification for slavery and to be honest it saddens me to know some people still think there is.

[searching-in-silence]

MASTER LIST

[JIKOOK CONTENT] PART 1 - GENERAL INDEXING 

PART 2 CONTAINS MONTH WISE JIKOOK MOMENTS CATEGORIZATION

PERSONAL - My thoughts on jikook pt1, pt2, pt3, pt4, pt5, pt6, pt7, pt8, pt9, pt10, pt11, pt12, pt13, pt14, pt15, pt16, i tried joking pt2 pt3 pt4,

AESTHETICS - pt1, pt2, pt3, pt4, pt5, pt6, pt7, pt8, pt9, pt10, pt11, pt12, pt13, pt14, pt15,

WHAT OTHERS TALK ABOUT JIKOOK - a woman who visited bts, taehyung on jikook, Taehyung on jikook pt2, people really don’t know jikook, newspaper article of jk’s tweet on jm’s bd, bts on jikook, people’s review on gcft, a jikook blogger rant, j-army, a twitter account, a blogger analysis about jm message on jk’s bd 2019, JK’s brother, teen vogue, 2018MMA pt2, jk’s confession to jm about his rl bro, a tumblr post, yt analysis, jimin interaction with member vs with jungkook yt analysis, jikook might marry early,

COUPLE MADE OBVIOUS - jeonlous pt2, their song, jimin with jk vs jimin with jhope, jm is different when with jk, jm stares at jk with great intensity, they laugh the same, spot the couple pt1, spot the couple pt2, jk on jimin’s butt, jk+mic+jm’s mouth, hand size, flirting in concerts, jimin named their duet, jk likes serendipity, they kings of achievement, their tweets read similar, jk holds jm’s leg while singing, jikook flirt after lights go out, jikook nd tattoo mystery, jk mimicking jm, jikook hickeys??,  jikook rose bowl op bite, jimin poses for jk anytime, they share glasses, they share glasses pt2, peek a look at eo random, jimin can’t handle jk’s cuteness, jk is jimin’s sunbaenim~, jikook and fireworks, jhope knows, they are intimate, jm’s stare is intense, the way they are soft for eo, my thoughts on jikook after jk’s bd wish to jm, jk always wanna kiss jm, jikook and paris facts?, jimin laughs every time he sees jk, jk imitates jm, jm is comfortable with keeping his hand on jk’s waist, always focuses his cam on jimin, jm always captures jk through his phone, jk is a jimin stan, they share clothes, jk staring at jm, jm is jk’s baby, jm trying to kiss jk, jk believes jm is shameless, jk staring at jm instances pic, when jimin’s soft gaze appreciates jungkook, staff+members defer to jimin in regards to jk, jikook are obvious, jk tattoo ‘J’ was added later, when jm ignores jk, jikook almost kissing,the effect of magnetism apply on jikook, jk finds jm cute when he is mad,

1. Year 2012 - 2018

if jm was the leader for the day, jungkook staring 11sec straight, kookoo san~a compilation, 2013 jikook tweets, 2014 jikook tweets, jikook old pics pt2, fanmeeting 2013?, jm phone case, jikook 2015 red bullet presscon pics, 2015 showchampion pics, jm waited very long for jk, 2016 pics, jk sweat is holy water 2017, ‘jk gotta spank jimin’ ~V, jm about jikook in army kit, jikook bv3 thoughts, jikook rings, 2017 saitama, ly seoul, vlive fanmeet jikook pics, 2018 mma, jikook during run eps XD, jk scolds jm, jm complimented jk shoulders i think, jm could get jealous u know, jm is smitten with jk, u r me i am u, if they were a girl..., jm finds jk manly, 2016 jikook in Bangkok, jikook are touchy feely 2018, jikook in BV3+sunscreen, this moment was confusing, jk likes to capture a goofy jimin, jk gets lost after seeing jm sexy dancing, jikook staring at each other pics, jimin gets shy and hits jk, when jm lost his ticket jk comforted him till he found it again, jm looking for jk’s bag in his room when jk didn’t even room with him, jikook get closer the more time passes during the fanmeet ~ like their seats get closer, jikook and doll story, jungkook staring at jm just after he woke up when they were recording on plane, nightmare themed park, jimin cutely holding jk’s hand, jikook during concerts, jk must check who his jimini hyung is talking to, jikook and cooking, jimin wanting praise from jungkook, jimin supports jungkook, jk scolding jm when he interrupts him, jimin added a mole to jk’s portrait in bv3, jimin snuggling into jk’s neck, jk staring at jm again during photoshoot, jk is jealous, jm dancing for jk, he captures jk on Polaroid, jikook jp muster, jungkook kissing jm’s ear at 2018 MMA?, jk thinks jm is the most fun hyung to joke around with, jimin hyung is awesome, 

2. Year 2019

u r me, i m u, part 2, jk tattoo of jm, jm behaves diff with others,  jikook sharing ring 2019 dec., jimin’s manager XD, jk visual according to jm, visual december., jungkook hyung,  voting on who understands jk the most lol., jm can’t reach the bar, eye contact,  jikook hug a lot, jikook+cheeks+awardshows, jikook on weibo, jm watches jk play videogames, jikook intimate at concert,  jikook ttu pics, they quote, jk always wants to capture jm, a compilation of jikook clips,  just jikook, jk harmonizing with jk, jk informs jm about everything even if silly, jk cares for jm as if older, even if on separate teams they help eo, who was it on jm’s vlive other than him, jk is always staring at jm even in run ep, jimin vlive analysis pt2, jk is jm’s style, jm is a liar when it comes to jk, when jm looked tiny this one time in comparison to jk, nightmare before Christmas, jimin+pockets+jungkook’s ass+stare, jimin in 5th muster VCR ~ his acting was superb, jungkook’s hair growth+ him staring at jm, jk asking manager to take care of jm, the way jk simply stares, jimin sang euphoria chorus?, jk can be shameless even in a crowded stadium, jikook don’t know the meaning of space even at airport, they use similar techniques, jm posing for jk during concert with a kissy face,

BTS WORLD - jikook card, jk’s diary, looks like wedding video, jm steals jk’s pics and jk is curious, stop copying me! ~jm’s diary, pics, video, pinching jimin’s cheeks,

BT21 - chimmy and kookie depictions, they are jikookers

[awpcomics]

Small press Shack stock update 1

I'm opening up an online store soon and here's a look at the current stock of titles available. if interested in any of the books let me know. shipping costs vary.

Small Press Shack  comic stock listing (by Company)

36k  studios

Tru vibes

# 1 $5

# 2 $5

2000 A.D.

Scarlet Traces

vol. 1 $25

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N-Guard # 1 $5

Ablaze

Unsacred

# 7 $5

Unsacred TPB 1 $25

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# 1 $5

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Motor Girl # 1 $10

Rachel Rising

# 13 $4

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Robotech 2  The sentinels

book 4

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Adventure Finders vol. 2 #1 $5

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Works vol. 1 $10

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Ben Dunn Shorts

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Derp Dragons

vol. 1 $20

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Ninja High School: Ultimate Perfect Memory $15

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Swimmer

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Tiger-X TPB $20

Zetraman TPB $25

A.M. Works

Athena

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Gold Digger

Gold Digger # 1 (35th anniversary special )  $15

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GD – 18

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Gold Digger Perfect Memory

# 2  $10

Gold Digger Annual

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Peebo Tales

# 2 $4

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Tangent

# 2 $4

Halloween

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Holidays Special

#2

Universe

# 19 $4

X-Mas Special

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Ninja High School

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Ninjas vs Aliens

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NHS in Color

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NHS Indie Wars vol. 1 $40

NHS V.2

# 1 $5

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Benzine

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Jenna & NHS

# 2 $10

Hitomi & Her Girl Commandoes

#1 $5

part 2

#5 $5

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NHS Annual

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Girls of NHS

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#2 $5

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#7 $5

NHS/ GD Maidens of Twilight

TPB  $10  

NOT Ninja High School

# 1  $100

# 2  $100

# 3  $100

Perfect Memory

# 3 $10

# 4 $15

NHS Swimsuit

# 1 $20

#3 $10

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Quagmire USA (Dave Matsuoka)

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SB NHS

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NHS Spotlight

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Zetraman

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Exciting Comics

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Gigantor

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How to Draw Manga #8 $10

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Knightmare

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Iczer 1

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vol. 1 (Mindvisions)

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Interlude

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Ascension

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vol. 1

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blood Lore

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Silver Cross

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Vs Razor

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Clockwork Girl # 3 $2

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Avatar Press

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Witchblade the manga  $30

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Lady Mechanika : Sangre

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Marry me

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Caruso Comics

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Princess Prince

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Wormworld Saga vol. 1 $15

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Bill & Ted are Doomed

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High School Hell

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Shadow Lady

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Dangerous Love

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Army of Darkness vs. Reanimator

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Eclipse Comics

Black Belt Hamsters # 2 $4

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Zooniverse # 1 $4

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[the-firebird69]

they are a waste of time say ridiculous things and mean bad things and get hit. and we hit take. and put him down. nd tons of times. we use it too. hit the scuckers. and rip them new ones. and the fr wont stop talking and then this we do it now nd slice off limbs and duing the shwo today we do it and later and he will be amazed no is a fag. now we recall him in th epost office and he called ofor it again. and said it we had fun. our son said i gained a key area yes. and finaacially one step closer to having your entire lot. and he said this so what it is not wroth anytyiing. and you say so we took tons of daimonds and cook huge armies of yours. and he spits so what. and we need to and robots suck vs the new stuff. we feel this is accoridng to ou rules ad such and so what..and he is steaming and says it you soud like one of us and so what our son says back lol alughs. and he says we ar emean ppl no shit sherlock. get a life and wife and dick fag. and ducks and says this he is one of us and penalties for your ass talk trump...tons and we add the up fine him now.

-tehy strike they say and dont are sitting in africa waiting for somehitng what we dont know. we laugh ok.-tons

-tons are at trump now here tons and hit. he and his out shortly needs to be he is an asshole. means to be.

-we use it of course and take territory and more need to.

-charlotte county wempties of trumps ad fast and yes it is said he is coming in. tons of them and bja is at it now

-huge loads of trumps and in and he is vulgar and mean. and says it we hit you now trump and shtup fag ok fag. an he says it this one needs a lessona nd we teach your faggots a lesson rip them limb from limb pile them pu light it.

-and we do this now these suck badly. are rancid. tons in now but think it and in the rings the die now the 25th expands to encompass west palm yes. and today and the shorleine and cuts off traffic. fully. and in the first to third they are surrounded about 20 out of 40.

-minority morlock may start to attack the morlock macs who are in he bunkers as tehy are watching and they want the shps. and it is clear it is why. no but ok lol

huge foces of mac morlock gtehr first and will try and move and saw the others and now move out and ty to get in and do the job. lol ahaah lol

-time is now here to come in. we do so and build and more. here too and all over florida. in the 25th ring they morlock die and tons of them. and in the three first they die now ten are out no one household the truckflew up in the air a tree a ramp landed and rushed the front end and went end over end and yeh only go 400 or less too many trees event hen hazardous. the truck crumbped one third its length they died instantly all of them. and releated to peter socorellis yes trumpsters. and our son knew a couple of them. and dyes a couople not jason no. a pair of them no husband and wife and knew him by name called him tings and yes. single guy loser and more and out loud. and said it no not to him. but to others. and finally this you stay singel we ihityou and meant it and he said your dead and they said this nope and wnt on and on and a scam and such and no i mean you die in the future it is on the erports. radio. truck crushed in therings and yyou die. and oh. left mad wept blabbed harrassed and went ot and died. recent epiteths on our son is reasn to hit them.

-tons die today here and tons say it and hit morlok and minority morlok hit too. cant sstandyou

-we take territory and move up the continenets form the south and totlly yes. no. partially. and wall off yes. tons of area huge lots ow about ten more spains and five portugals. and yes that country is not huge. only 80x70 ok. a bit less. africa is thousands of miles long about 3800 and 280 wide roughly nd the usa is about 2100 80 a small fraction of it.

-we move totake oil companies today

*mobil oil and fully no we absorb trumps 20% and waste his as tehy try for it back tons do and tons die mostly they dont stop inutul the oil folks are out

*shell oil and yes trumps share and all of it both about 20% of the whole and leaves only 30% andthat share is owned by bja nope the mac daddy and his kkids and soon out and ours.

*Sunoco and todya and 20% and buying it and he is gloating perfect timing and such is a slime and will ttry to sabotage the others. and will die tdoing it

*occidenta petroleum and we buyout the final 5%of the prime comppnay of trumps no the whole thing. and subsiduaries too today. whole thing yes. and only 15% of the total but it is huge. we then proceed to occupy them and use them for ourselves and society regular shipments of gasoline diesel and other petroleum products will continue uninterupted. yes airplne fuel too. and home heating oill power genertion jet fuel and for bases. yes mostly. they take it from the locals if we dont. if you block it we are seen being blocked they track it

*five other companies and are huge. and next up bja nope the psuedo empire and bja. and bja has less nope. and he wont sell he says and we force him to or take it as he sits does nothing and planned to. we use it now on him it is too late must start now and tk them or tohers might

Thor Freya

we have a list

walmart etarget, albertsons, stop and shop really the big grocery chains and suppliers and distributors and growers we work on now water companies and purification we take them whole and y es the psuedo empire figths over it and empire thinks we get hit and lose. we think not track all ours use our ehierarchy. now we hear you and laugh your the slobs at the bottom now. huge restarant chains like yumyum and subway outback chilis more and we take them over and start in ernest now. need it and need to. more shortly consctuction companies mostly we take them all

Olympus

a great day for us we see morlock build up and around the bunkers and tons pour in. and they expand too nd grow and haul stuff there and move building there. an an encroachment need it yes

and more too they are fillig up the bunkers with ordinacne a good sign and shal attract macs now and fast.

Thor Freya they will be out due to this conflicte re shps yes

[trionacharlotte]

Turning Thirty

I’m turning 30 next year and it’s come to my attention that I’m running out of time.

People forgive you the introspection and uncertainty and series of bad decisions when you’re young. It may even be endearing, for a while. But when you reach 26, 27… there’s a definite air of pity and disapproval that filters through from your parents to your peers to your friends, and by 29 it’s unavoidable: you’re no longer ‘a bit creative’, eccentric, finding your way; you’re a liability, a lost cause, a very expensive mistake.

The sympathy you once stumbled upon gives way to judgment, shame, outrage: ‘What do you mean you don’t know what you want?’ ‘What are you doing with your life?’ ‘What’s wrong with a real job?’ ‘How are you going to pay for all this?’ ‘What’s the plan, exactly?’

I have to admit, they have a point.  What is the plan, exactly?

So I have decided to set about getting my shit together: not in the way I have been doing, or not doing, or failing miserably to do for the past ten years; but actually, evidentially, getting my shit together.

Not quite sure where to start, I decide I need resources…information…tools.  After scouring the internet, Twitter, magazines, newspapers and the bottom of a pint of frozen yoghurt, I begin to build my army of books, gadgets, workouts, clothes and inspirational people with which to embark on my noble quest: my getting of the shit together.

I start small.  Jillian Michaels is telling us to ‘Live your Best Life!’  It sounds good to me, so I buy Unlimited, Master Your Metabolism, Slim for Life, and six of her workout DVDs.  (Hey, when I’m in I’m all in.)

Patrick Holford says it’s all about vitamins.  A lot of people seem to disagree.  Clearly I should investigate.  I buy The Optimum Nutrition Bible, The Feel Good Factor, and The Little Book of Health Tips. (What? It was at the counter of the Health Store…in fact, maybe I should go back and get the other four.)

Medical Medium says it’s all about fruit and veg and celery juice every morning. I buy a juicer and commit to nutritional healing.

Spirit Daughter says it's all about intuition and inner work, writing moon journals for new and full moon ceremonies.

Heather Askinosie and Energy Muse say it's all about energy clearing and setting intentions.

Channel 4 says moderation is key: look what happens if you eat too much, look what happens if you don’t eat enough.  I watch two entire series of Supersize vs Superskinny, and another of The Biggest Loser.  I’m almost wiped out.

Fuelled by a caffeine fix, I find Emma Woolf on Amazon and start ploughing through; An Apple A Day, The Ministry of Thin, and, oh my god, she’s got a new one! Letting Go. It’s a sign.

I sign up to DoTerra and fill my flat with essential oils and vitamins.

On a roll now, a yoga friend recommends two books to read for your health: Your body’s many cries for WATER: you’re not sick; you’re thirsty by Dr F Batmanghelidj and The Magnesium Miracle by Carolyn Dean MD, ND. Stocking up on fruit and veg I peruse the magazine stand for Women’s Health and a colouring book catches my eye. Fully stocked, prepped and ready, I survey my supplies.

Crystals are everywhere. I've been studying feng shui. I'm even planting seeds - it helps to nurture things when you're suffering with depression.

Aware Saturn, Jupiter and Pluto are all in Capricorn, I'm learning the hard lessons. Karma's a bitch. Systems don't work. And everything I thought I knew about myself gets rearranged. In it to win it, I plough on.

What's next? I ask myself. What's next?

[my-arya-underfoot]

How the latest GoT plot lines up with the books (and should we expect GRRM to end with this crap as well)

This last, god-awful plotline of “Mad” Dany vs Cersei vs Noble Jon-backed-by-wise-Varys seems to be the weirdest, stupidest adaption of the books’ Young Griff/Aegon story.

And oh my god is it stupid

For anyone who hasn’t read the books: ADoD introduces Young Griff, allegedly Rhaegar’s long-lost, secretly-saved son who Varys has groomed as The Perfect Ruler; and who Varys and Illyrio have been plotting to put on the throne all along. The story is currently setting up Young Griff to face Dany in a second dance of dragons and it’s possible the whole combination of Young Griff vs Dany vs Cersei with dragons and wildfire caches somehow leads to Kings Landing being blown up. That plot would would have happened in s5/6 of the show but it was cut.

And the thing is, I didn’t blame D&D for cutting plotline, I really didn’t - yes it had thematic meaning, explained Varys’ motives and revealed a mind-bending complex scheme; but I get that a TV show doesn’t have the luxury of writing as many plotlines/characters as a book does. (And tbh, I don’t think so many plots have helped GRRM either, given how he’s struggling to untangle himself)

But like now, at the eleventh hour D&D have used that plot to build their own warped endgame: 

They’ve meshed Jon and Young Griff/Aegon together, hence why Jon is called Aegon and “legitimate” - even they have vastly different backstories/characters, and no one would ever back a random Starks’ bastard suddenly claiming he was Rhaegar’s trueborn son with zero evidence, based on a secret never-would-have-been-recognized annulment and wedding, ffs.

They’ve got Varys backing Jon on whim, jumping from monarch to monarch with no master plan - the furthest thing from his book self where he’d been plotting for years and had a vision for what made a good ruler and how to implement it.

They’ve got Cersei still in Kings Landing - even though they’ve had to bend over backwards to justify why she’s still in power after blowing up the Sept in s6

And ofc they have to manufacture the drama between Daenerys and Jon, and set them up on opposite sides - even though Jon, unlike Young Griff doesn’t want the throne, there’s no reason for them to fight and they could literally just get married to sort everything. So D&D have made Dany the mad Queen to justify the conflict bc of course they would.

And the worst thing of all is that they’re making this terrible, cannibalized fanfic plot the pinnacle of the series. Where it all ends

In the books it’s clear whatever goes down between Young Griff/Daenerys/Cersei is secondary to the ultimate threat of winter and the Others coming. But in the show the Long-actually-just-a-normal-length-Night was a mere footnote to this final drama.

And I think it all comes back to the issue that D&D have missed something vital in the books: That the petty games don’t matter because the dead are coming and they don’t care if you’re a lord of peasant. An overriding message of Asoiaf is that the world is bigger than the throne.

The greatest danger of all, however, comes from the north, from the icy wastes beyond the Wall, where half-forgotten demons out of legend, the inhuman others, raise cold legions of the undead and the neverborn and prepare to ride down on the winds of winter to extinguish everything that we would call "life."  - GRRM

But - as indicated by the title of the show itself - D&D only care about the games and drama. (Which is why they’ve cut so much of the book’s non-political stuff like Bran’s story, Jon and Arya also being wargs, Euron’s role, the prophecies etc.)

And ffs, if they were going to sweep aside the Others in the first half of the season and end on the “game” at the very least write it well instead of butchering every character on-screen. 

But for all us book fans who are worried Asoiaf is going to end the same way - stay hopeful. While the books may have a version of this conflict it will not be this piece of crap. Daenerys might flirt the darker side of herself (as do all the characters from Jon and Tyrion to Arya and Bran) and even attack Kings Landing. But GRRM grapples with complexity and darkness in human nature in a way the show never has and that won’t be the end of her story. She and her dragons will help save humanity, and that won’t just be a precusor to her becoming the mad queen and one-note villian - it will be her endgame. And yeah of course Jon will struggle with his true heritage, but he has his own plot and it’s not Aegon’s. Aegon Targaryen will squabble with Cersei and battle Daenerys, Jon Snow will face down the armies of the dead and defend the world.  

[thecreaturecodex]

Venger

“Venger” © Robson Michel, accessed at his deviantArt page here

[Bust out those Peter Cullen impressions. After that Venger post I reblogged blew up, I started thinking, and this had to get out on paper. There are “canon” 3.5 statistics for Venger, where he’s a CR 21. Some of that CR is from giving him the half-fiend template, which I think is unnecessary. As previously mentioned, I don’t think Venger is that powerful (I think their justification for giving him 9th level spells is that he uses something that looks like imprisonment in one episode, and that is the 9th level spell the stats give him). The 3.5 Venger also has levels in archmage, a prestige class that doesn’t exist in Pathfinder. I did give him feats that duplicate some of that version’s archmage abilities.

My version is designed to be a mid-level boss. He could easily be a recurring character, harassing the PCs starting relatively early in their careers. I chose an infernal over abyssal bloodline in order to give him wings, but he doesn’t really use them much in the TV show. Riding a nightmare is much more stylish.]

Venger CR 14 NE Outsider (native) This imposing humanoid stands tall, his blue skin, reduced nose and small fangs marking his inhuman nature. He wears a red cowl and vestment over a dark gray gown, and bat-like wings lay across his back like a cape. A single curved horn grows from his left temple.

Venger is the epitome of the dark lord, maintaining the obedience of an army of monsters while constantly striving for complete domination of the whole realm. He maintains several strongholds, each of them manned by a menagerie of humanoids (orcs and boggards are favored minions). Venger has no patience for creating magic items, and so covets powerful, unique treasures, going so far as to stalk adventuring parties for years if they have something that he wants.

Venger’s powers stem from a deal made with the powers of Hell, but he has little patience for strictures of law, and freely traffics with a wide variety of fiends. The closest thing he has to a hobby is environmental degradation, and he hunts unicorns, fey and other creatures of nature for sport. He is rarely found alone—he rides a nightmare into combat, and a shadow demon acts as his spy and informant (as well as attempting to pull his evil closer towards chaos and the goals of the Abyss).

Venger maintains a strict watch on his allies and enemies alike through frequent scrying spells, and teleports between his fortresses regularly. He uses mind-influencing magic to ensure the cooperation of his minions, but rarely uses it in combat. When dealing with non-evil creatures, he has been known to travel in disguise, compounding magical and mundane deceptions. Venger often punches below his weight class, terrorizing the weak and targeting low-level adventurers for harassment by his armies. He is somewhat cowardly despite his power, and typically flees from creatures that can properly challenge him, preferring to engage them indirectly with hired or mind-controlled minions.

Venger  CR 14 XP 38,400 Tiefling sorcerer 15 NE Medium outsider (native) Init +7; Senses darkvision 60 ft., Perception +8 Defense AC 20, touch 16, flat-footed 16 (+3 Dex, +1 dodge, +4 armor, +2 deflection) hp 115 (15d6+60) Fort +10, Ref +10, Will +13; +4 vs. poison Immune alignment detection, detect thoughts, discern lies; Resist cold 5, electricity 5, fire 10 Offense Speed 30 ft., fly 60 ft. (average maneuverability) Melee masterwork dagger +7/+2 (1d4-1/19-20) Spell-like Abilities CL 15th, concentration +20 (+24 casting defensively) 9/day—corrupting touch 1/day—darkness Spells CL 15th, concentration +21 (+25 casting defensively) 7th (4/day)—greater teleport, mass hold person (DC 23), prismatic spray (DC 24) 6th (7/day)—chain lightning (DC 23), disintegrate (DC 22), mass bull’s strength, planar binding (devils and fiendish template only, DC 22) 5th (7/day)—cone of cold (DC 22), dismissal (DC 21), dominate person (DC 21), polymorph, wall of force 4th (7/day)—bestow curse (DC 20), charm monster (DC 20), scrying (DC 20), stoneskin, wall of fire 3rd (7/day)—fireball (DC 20), haste, ray of exhaustion (DC 19), suggestion (DC 19), vampiric touch 2nd (8/day)—acid arrow, command undead (DC 18), invisibility, resist energy, scorching ray, see invisibility 1st (8/day, 1 used)—disguise self (DC 17), identify, mage armor, protection from good (DC 17), shield, shocking grasp 0th—acid splash, detect magic, disrupt undead, light, mage hand, message, read magic, ray of frost, touch of fatigue (DC 16)  Sorcerer Bloodline—infernal (pit born) Tactics Before Combat Venger keeps a mage armor spell up 24 hours a day; this is included in his statistics. If expecting combat, he casts shield and stoneskin, as well as haste and mass bull’s strength if accompanied by minions During Combat Venger prefers to debilitate enemies with mass hold person and reach bestow curse spells, and then let his minions capture or kill them. If he intends to kill, he targets weaker-looking opponents with spells such as chain lightning and disintegrate. He fights from the air, either on his own wings or aboard his nightmare, and remains on the move to avoid being pinned into melee. Morale Venger has not lived as long as he has by being reckless. He teleports away to heal and plot his revenge if reduced to 50 or fewer hit points. Statistics Str 8, Dex 16, Con 16, Int 15, Wis 10, Cha 20 Base Atk +7; CMB +6; CMD 21 Feats Blind-fight, Combat Casting, Eschew Materials (B), Elemental Spell (electricity), Dodge, Improved Initiative, Iron Will, Quicken Spell, Reach Spell, Spell Focus (evocation), Toughness Skills Bluff +14, Disguise +11, Fly +15, Intimidate +14, Knowledge (arcana) +13, Knowledge (planes) +10, Perception +8, Ride +9, Spellcraft +12, Stealth +9,  Use Magic Device +15; Racial Modifiers +4 Fly SQ bloodline arcana (+spell level to Intimidate checks), on dark wings, vestigial wings Gear headband of charisma +4, sorcerer’s robes, cloak of protection +2, ring of protection +2, ring of mind shielding, wand of cure light wounds (50 charges), potion of blur (x2), masterwork dagger, 3 doses diamond dust (stoneskin components), silver mirror worth 1000 gp (scrying focus)

[thecollegefootballguy]

2019 Top Games of the Week: Week 7

Wow we’re really already at Week 7, can you believe it? Almost halfway done with the season. Any way, this might be the best week so far, four ranked vs ranked matchups and a handful of great rivalry games.

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The Top Ten Games of the Week

10. Hawaii 4-1 (1-0) at #14 Boise State 5-0 (2-0)

Boise State is gunning for their first undefeated regular season since the Chris Petersen era. The Broncos look good enough to pull it off, but they still have a few challenging games left on the schedule. Hawaii looks even better than their turnaround season last year. The Rainbow Warriors are building and look like one of the contenders for the MWC West division. This old WAC series isn’t played as often with both teams now in the Mountain West, but this one certainly has higher stakes than any game played since that old league gave up football.

9. Nebraska 4-2 (2-1) at Minnesota 5-0 (2-0)

Iowa and Wisconsin are sucking up all the oxygen in the Big Ten West race, but both Nebraska and Minnesota are undefeated in division play and could make a run if they win the right games. The Gophers are undefeated period, and are one of the surprise stories of this early season. Their first competent win came last week against Illinois, but the Cornhuskers should be a much tougher task for Minnesota.

8. Texas Tech 3-2 (1-1) at #22 Baylor 5-0 (2-0)

For the first time in over ten years, these two rivals are playing an on-campus game, and it could be the most important game in the series in just as long. Like Minnesota, Baylor has been one of the more surprising teams so far. The Bears are also undefeated, but are relatively unchallenged aside from their close scrape with Iowa State. Texas Tech appears ahead of schedule after the Red Raiders held off Oklahoma State last Saturday. The middle of the Big 12 remains one of the more fascinating parts of college football in 2019. 

7. #23 Memphis 5-0 (1-0) at Temple 4-1 (1-0)

The best game in the AAC takes the second G5 spot in the top ten. Memphis now has the clearest path of any American team to go undefeated and secure the NY6 bid. Aside from their curious loss to Buffalo, has also looked solid. The Owls are the Tigers’ hardest remaining road game and one of the biggest chances to upend Memphis.

6. USC 3-2 (2-1) at #9 Notre Dame 4-1

The greatest intersectional rivalry in college football makes the grade, as it does basically every year. Both teams are coming off bye weeks and should be well prepared for this game (for our purposes Bowling Green counts as a bye). USC has been hot and cold with a rotating QB cast. The Fighting Irish are definitely favored here but the Trojans could be one of the tougher teams ND faces as they make a case for the Playoff as a one-loss team.

5. Michigan State 4-2 (2-1) at #8 Wisconsin 5-0 (2-0)

If you thought Iowa-Michigan was a beautiful disaster of good defense and bad offense wait until you see Michigan State-Wisconsin. It’s going to be a rockfight in all the best and worst ways. The Spartans are so far the only team that’s even slowed down Ohio State, which leads me to think they can give the Badgers a ton of trouble. That said, if Wisconsin is a Playoff contender even close to OSU’s caliber, we can measure it here.

4. #1 Alabama 5-0 (2-0) at #24 Texas A&M 3-2 (1-1)

I want to believe A&M can challenge Alabama. I don’t. But I want to.

3. #10 Penn State 5-0 (2-0) at #17 Iowa 4-1 (1-1)

Boy we have a really good week if this game is only 3rd on the list. Penn State is this year’s Iowa City sacrifice. The Nittany Lions enter as this year’s Playoff hopeful that have to survive the ordeal of playing at Kinnick Stadium as a top ten team. We took a year off last season but 2017 ruined #3 Ohio State’s hopes and 2016 claimed #2 Michigan. Iowa only lost by a touchdown last year in Happy Valley. Godspeed PSU.

2. #7 Florida 6-0 (3-0) at #5 LSU 5-0 (2-0)

If you want to put this game up at the #1 spot be my guest, but I’m saving that for an even better rivalry game. As the only top ten game this week, Florida at LSU is hosting Gameday, which comes as no surprise. Florida pulled off an ugly but triumphant victory over Auburn last week. Most people, myself included, doubted the Gators’ ability to beat top flight competition. Now UF has an even tougher test as they head to Death Valley. LSU similarly hasn’t played a team this good yet, and has so far been untested at home. These are very likely the #2 teams in both divisions, so a win here would be critical for getting to the conference title game.

1. #6 Oklahoma 5-0 (2-0) vs #11 Texas 4-1 (2-0)

Well of course, the 115th playing of the Red River Shootout naturally takes the #1 spot with the stakes involved. Once again, Oklahoma and Texas are far and away the favorites to play for the Big 12 title and their yearly pilgrimage to the Cotton Bowl will help sort out that out. This could once again be a rematch in the Championship Game, but only the winner of this game will likely have their seat secure.

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5 G5 Games of the Week

5. Army 3-2 at Western Kentucky 3-2 (3-0)

We get some smaller interesting games in the G5 Top 5 with two G5 games making the overall Top Ten. Army goes on the road against a surprisingly good Western Kentucky squad. The Hilltoppers were absolutely moribund last season, but have already taken down preseason favorite FIU and last year’s champion UAB.

4. San Jose State 3-2 (1-1) at Nevada 3-2 (0-1)

The Mountain West’s West Division is probably not the best in the G5, but it could be the most competitive. San Jose State is suddenly showing flashes of life for the first time in years. Nevada looked on the cusp of a breakthrough last season. The Wolf Pack haven’t yet filled that promise after getting blown out by Hawaii, but they can stay in the race and see how everything shakes out with a win here.

3. Wyoming 4-1 (1-0) at San Diego State 4-1 (1-1)

Wyoming and San Diego State make up the Mountain West’s robust middle class chasing Boise State for a shot at the league title. Both have their strengths and weaknesses but they’re coming in with momentum. Last week the Cowboys blew up UNLV and the Aztecs totally shut down Colorado State in Fort Collins.

2. Fresno State 2-2 (0-0) at Air Force 3-2 (1-1)

The trio of solid MWC games is capped off with 2017 and 2018 West Division champion going on the road to take on Air Force. The Falcons are always an upset threat with their option attack and the Bulldogs haven’t yet looked like the dangerous team we saw the past few seasons.

1. Appalachian State 4-0 (1-0) at Louisiana-Lafayette 4-1 (1-0)

This looks like the Sun Belt Championship Game as far as I’m concerned. With both Troy and Georgia Southern looking a step slower than their 2018 selves, the Mountaineers will likely run away with the East. With Arkansas State similarly looking a bit down and ULM not quite there yet, Louisiana-Lafayette should again with the West. App State has an undefeated season and a very remote shot at the NY6 bowl on the line, so I’m going to be keeping tabs on this one.

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FCS Games of the Week

3. #3 South Dakota State 4-1 (1-0) at #19 Youngstown State 4-1 (0-1)

2. #10 Northern Iowa 3-2 (1-0) at #1 North Dakota State 5-0 (1-0)

South Dakota State and North Dakota State are on their inexorable march towards destiny. They both need to take care of business beforehand, and a tough trip to Youngstown State and hosting the punchy NIU Panthers are some of the more difficult games they’ll face in the regular season. I still expect both to win.

1. #5 Villanova 6-0 (3-0) at #2 James Madison 5-1 (2-0)

The CAA brings us a very interesting Top Five matchup, the second of the FCS season. Villanova has jumped from being unranked all the way to #5 by blazing through the first half of the season, only encountering a close game by way of fellow top ten conference-mate Towson. James Madison is still the perennial favorite, but this could be the Dukes’ toughest conference test this year.