#natalist

[6b4tgsl]

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[idroolinmysleep]

TL;DR: these are kid-smacking low-key eugenicists who give their children names like “Industry Americus” and think that keeping a home warm is a pointless extravagance.

The Guardian profiles pronatalists Malcolm and Simone Collins, and boy, these people are so full of themselves. Their commitment to effective altruism (you know, the same movement championed by Sam Bankman-Fried, who’s now in prison) somehow leads them to … not heat their home in winter?

as effective altruists, they give everything they can spare to charity (their [personal] charities). “Any pointless indulgence, like heating the house in the winter, we try to avoid if we can find other solutions,” says Malcolm.

And, for a couple who wants to have lots of babies, they don’t seem to like children very much.

The Collinses believe in childcare, but not maternity leave: Simone has never taken any. She will have the day of her C-section off “because of the drugs,” but will take work calls from hospital the day after. She tells me it’s because she’s “bored out of my mind” when she’s stuck with a newborn. … Malcolm tells me how much he doesn’t like babies. “Objectively, they are trying and they are aggravating. They are gross. This little bomb that goes off crying in this big explosion of poo and mucus every 30, 40 minutes. And it doesn’t have a personality, really.”

As for what that childcare looks like? They learned it from watching wild animals. For real.

Malcolm tells me that he and Simone have developed a parenting style based on something she observed when she saw tigers in the wild: they react to bad behaviour from their cubs with a paw, a quick negative response in the moment, which they find very effective with their own kids.

Lovely couple, these two.

[moonandtrees]

[void-thegod]

Even if they have kids and degrees - it doesn't make them more mature or intelligent.

Responsibilities like that don't automatically make you an adult.

Do you know how many adults I've met who are more like children than they "should" be?

Plenty of mature 23 year olds without degrees or children. Plenty of them who do or don't go to the club.

I really wish people would stop treating baby making as some end game for maturity.

It's ridiculous, gross, and wrong on many levels.

OP disabled reblogs but i think this needs to be out there

[freckled-radfem]

Reasons not to get pregnant/have a child/raise children. From girlwiththelist1 on tiktok

[koheletgirl]

the honest truth about grantaire's political opinions is that they dont matter

[monochromeonsienna]

I am increasingly convinced that the decision to encourage Americans to use their homes as their primary store of wealth was not only a catastrophic mistake but actually the ur-mistake from which most of our contemporary dysfunction flows. It basically makes intergenerational warfare required, and proper urbanist and pro-natalist policies politically impossible.

[canwediscuss]

How do anti natalists/ inherently anti natalist political groups feel about the longevity of your movements? Can you convert at a rate to withstand opposing groups that just. Clone?

For example, global population conscientious anti Christians, how do you feel about mormons and Amish making more of themselves?

Pro abortion leftists, how do you feel about pro life far right groups having high birthrates?

And so on. I'm curious.

[blackpilljesus]

Sometimes as I go on about life I get very jealous of males.

Like, they got no hurdles in life, basically they get a wife that serves their every need.

They don't have to take many precautions in life, they get taken seriously.

What's worse is women support these moids more than the moids themselves.

How do I cope with these stuff?

Withdraw. It sucks but not offering unpaid or uncompensated labour goes a long way. As you're single, you're not providing any maIes free labour like cooking & cleaning. The biggest impact of withdrawing is not having kids. Don't add another person to this world, in the short term it seems like nothing but long term it's a powerful move. Less people being born = less women & girls being taken advantage of or less maIes exploiting women & girls. I say this often but the way I cope with all this bs is knowing I'm not leaving any kids behind. I wont waste time investing in kids that'll get screwed over by the system, I wont have kids weaponised against me. Look at how maIe leaders are scrambling at the declining birth rates, this shit only continues so long as they've got toys to destroy. The only way to not lose is to not play. In the meantime, put your energy into yourself or likeminded women. As much as this world sucks try & find somethings you enjoy to pass time.

We can't control the entire world we can only control what we do to an extent.

[moonstonetombstone]

[idroolinmysleep]

Well, now. The pronatalist couple featured in a recent Guardian profile is getting flak for their kid-smacking ways, and this is how they chose to respond:

"We are kind of shocked by the racism threaded throughout this recent controversy. It is pretty well-documented that African Americans and other minority groups practice corporal punishment much more than other groups," Simone Collins said via email, linking to a CNN article published in 2011. Malcolm Collins said it was "uniquely offensive" to him considering "the majority of Americans practice some form of corporal punishment, as you can see from the statistics with specifically that being the minority groups of Americans. So yeah, I think it's an arguably racist position."

Uh, guys, maybe this doesn't have anything to do with race at all? Immediately pulling the race card isn't going to win anyone over to your side. 🤦‍♀️

[swagging-back-to]

every single time you stress out about your taxes, or your rent, or your debt, or your mortgage, or your car payment, or your medical bills, or climate change, or your stress over having to work and just do basic things like eating----- remember that if you have children, *you are directly responsible** for them feeling all of that suffering and stress and pain when they grow up.

[insufferablefirehazard]

[zvaigzdelasas]

"Anti-natalist" refers to an actually existing tendency of thought but there is no such thing as a "Pro-natalist" that actually exists. Thought doesn't need to come in completely symmetric camps.

[applestorms]

i think cottagecore is like the ultimate anti-rape culture white woman fantasy. it's a vision of reality where Girls* go to picnics and feed each other strawberries and kiss behind the willow trees, where nothing is ever bad or hurtful in a truly meaningful way, where love and safety is the unifying factor of reality. i'm frankly more surprised that some people ever thought this had anything to do with actual rural country life or farming-- at it's center, cottagecore is not just interested in getting away from the city to get away from capitalism or the other struggles of modern life. it's also, fundamentally, about getting away from Men, to a utopian garden of eden on the outskirts where Men simply do not exist, and therefore cannot harm or rape you.

*white, cis, skinny, traditionally attractive, etc.

so many of the Comforting aesthetics and purity politics that we have come to cultivate online in recent years come down to this idea, in my opinion-- a desire to find a Safe Space, to fade away into the fantasy of your Comfort Characters, to find the one singular location of true Stability in a world where everything else is fated to be horrible and terrible forever. it's the negative space of doomer culture, the pessimism that blew up after trump's first election, after the color-blind ignorance of the obama era was sufficiently destroyed by a horror so visible and blatant you simply cannot look away from it. it's no wonder so many of these aesthetics and ideas blew up to the degree that they did during 2020, in the midst of so much global instability and hopelessness. people wanted, and still want, something Pure and Good to take shelter within in the face of all this Evil-- a shell you can hide inside where everything will be perfect forever even as the storm rages on outside, beyond your control and beyond what you want to think about.

it's a flawed way of thinking, of course. black and white to an extreme. you can never find a place that is truly Pure and Good to the intense standards that you set, simply by nature of how those standards themselves are made and enforced-- not only are people simply too complex and nuanced, but the desire for something Freed From Evil itself inherently creates a more and more impossible standard, that is either overly-regulatory of anything that could be even a speck of Problematic™, or is necessarily blind to its own faults and biases (e.g. cottagecore as white lesbian tradwives). and, on the other side, the world outside is not Pure Evil either-- there is still hope to be found, ways in which we can make our systems work For Us, and ways in which we can change them (though those approaches may be difficult or require collaborative effort we, at the moment, simply have not coordinated).

[morbidmordin]

Ah the forums in a seething meltdown where everyone who doesn't hate Jade's design is a misogynist and page after page of screeching about how pregnancy is evil. All this while they reduce Jade to an incubator, ignoring everything else about her story.

I see little has changed in my absence.