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Statistics that I deeply yearn for but have no ability to gather:
How many women have made themselves look like absolute idiots because they were wrong but were convinced the person correcting them was just mansplaining.
Statistics that I genuinely hope are low:
How many women have been hurt in any way because they believed more in mansplaining being overwhelmingly prevalent than in doing more in depth research when disagreed with
#canwediscuss#politics#feminism#mansplaining#womens issues#just because you saw a ragebait tweet by a female scientist doesnt mean that you will also experience the same situation#also can we talk about when it actually matters if someone wont listen to you#and also how you can talk about this issue more effectively if you dont gender it
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Stop judging concepts based on the person who came up with them. Love languages? A helpful tool for communicating better in a relationship. I don't give a fuck if you don't like the conservative, misogynist, whatever guy that came up with them. It's a fucking tool. Use it if it's useful. The Nazis implemented modern maternity leave and a bunch of other useful fucking things that we all use frequently but that doesn't mean you agree with everything they ever did, just because you've driven a Volkswagen down the highway before. Nor is "Nazis did it first" a good reason to stop using the olympic torch relay.
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Fun game to play irl as a woman: find an anti feminist man and make him uncomfortable by saying even more radically unfeminist opinions like "well I just think men suffer from the patriarchy too" "I disagree, I think if we repeal the 19th, america will vastly improve."
If they're Republican, show them the gender voting map (women tend blue)
If they're Democrat, accuse him of thinking he's more qualified to speak on the issue than a woman
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So tired of people wanting to be completely valid so bad that they ignore any potential nuance. I am 100% not an elon musk supporter, I think he's an attention seeking idiot. However! I can recognize why a lot of poor Americans like what he's doing. It is absolutely a problem how wasteful the american government is. It's absolutely a problem that the average person pays such an egregious amount in taxes for such a pathetic offer of benefits. It can be really demoralizing to work yourself into chronic illness and depression trying to feed yourself and then see people who decided to come to America get thousands in aid without contributing anything. The frustration is never that america aids people though! It is always a frustration with exploiting some people so you can help other people. And I see a lot of people ignoring the genuine struggles of american citizens so they can pretend that they are The Good Guys fighting the Evil People who obviously want children to starve, as opposed to being normal people who simply don't want their children to starve.
The fact is, whether you like it or not, america is rapidly running downhill. We cannot (or will not) take care of the people already here and if we continue trying to help immigrants or sending aid to other countries, there will not be anything left to continue sending people. America absolutely has the resources to give everyone here a good life. And! People that are healthy and happy? Produce more economically! Which means better capacity to aid more people. Which gets you what you want, without having to pretend that the people you're opposing are heartless millionaires, instead of deperate working class people with thousands in health debt even with insurance.
This is not a defense or criticism of musk's methods, just a critique of the popular discourse.
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"Don't vote independent. It doesn't work!!"
Yeah? Do they.. Always lose? Do they never have enough votes? Wow I wonder what could possibly fix that in the long term!
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Hey dude I was addressing your paragraph that says
"Don't get me wrong, some people are so awful and dangerous it is not worth the risk of figuring out what you could learn from them! Some people's ideas are too harmful to ever be tolerated -- obvious example here is the Nazis -- and no reasonable person would ask you to implement harmful ideas. "
I know we both mostly agree. I wanted to reiterate that this specific statement is one that I don't agree with on a social level. I agree that making that call on a personal level is fine. I'm not saying implement nazi ideals, I'm saying you should not immediately oppose an idea because the first time you saw it it had the label Nazi on it. And that good ideas that are already implemented should never be discarded because someone bad liked the idea.
Once again, I know we're not in disagreement, just reblogging thoughts not furthering debate.
Stop judging concepts based on the person who came up with them. Love languages? A helpful tool for communicating better in a relationship. I don't give a fuck if you don't like the conservative, misogynist, whatever guy that came up with them. It's a fucking tool. Use it if it's useful. The Nazis implemented modern maternity leave and a bunch of other useful fucking things that we all use frequently but that doesn't mean you agree with everything they ever did, just because you've driven a Volkswagen down the highway before. Nor is "Nazis did it first" a good reason to stop using the olympic torch relay.
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Just for shits and giggles, let's turn the old complaint about MtF benefitting from male priviledge when they are unbothered by things that bother cis women into an interesting new take: the things that MtF do not find oppressive never inherently were, they're simply things that cis women have unhealthy perspectives on or bad ways of dealing with or are brainwashed by society into thinking are bad.
This is entirely because I saw some post about avoiding eye contact thanks to huge new titties being framed as a positive. Maybe AFAB have it wrong? I'd love to discuss.
#canwediscuss#i have no dog in this fight#interesting thought#debates without emotional stakes#feminism#radical feminism
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[Reminder that I drown and anonymize posts because I don’t want to get into a pissing contest with people in the reblog chain and get blocked — I just want to make a point and you’re free to interact with it or not.
The OP was about the live action Lilo & Stitch movie.]
I’ll give you one (imho) VERY good reason why I watch “problematic” movies on free sites:
Because I don’t trust you.
I even watch things that I’m pretty sure I’ll dislike on free sites for a similar reason: I want to see if what I’ve heard is true before I decide to throw money at it.
“You don’t need to watch/read/go to the source…!!!” To verify if something is really as bad as people are claiming, and to have any authority on it, yes I actually do.
I don’t for a second believe there is no ethical/moral way to engage with media that’s been labeled problematic. And I actually think actively trying to stop people from investigating something for themselves is probably more harmful than streaming [thing that has been socially declared untouchable] on a free site.
#apparently my whole dash decided its time to address one of my pet peeves at the same time as me#heres another good explanation for why not actually looking at things is bad
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Different expression of the same problem in my last post
I think some people are Like That because actually examining This and its causes might threaten the shallow image of This they have in their head.
This is not limited to discussions of “deserving”.
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People are absolutrly inconsistent but the idea that you should avoid an idea based on who said it is entirely what I'm saying we should NOT do. Yes, I used Nazis as a illustrative hyperbole but I'll stand by my example. How do you know they're bad unless you actually look into the ideas? Because someone else told you these people are bad? If that is your moral compass you are in a very bad position. What happens when someone who claims to be <insert good group> claims some kind of idea as their own? Do you nod and agree because <person> is good, therefore <idea> is good?
At some point, you can make the decision that a certain person or group is not worth listening to, yes. But when introduced to a new concept, your metric for validity should never be "who said it?" The saying "a stopped clock is right twice a day" is extremely valuable when looking at an idea that is being claimed by an icky person. Being able to understand morals and nuance is very important when interacting with any kind of dialogue. Which is why it would be asinine to campaign for the end of maternity leave rights simply because of who had the idea.
It's also very easy to claim someone is part of a bad group and it's very difficult to defend even completely baseless claims. Whether it's witch hunting or cancel culture, these kinds of problems would be completely eliminated if people as a whole improved their comprehension skills and took the time to look at evidence instead of names.
Stop judging concepts based on the person who came up with them. Love languages? A helpful tool for communicating better in a relationship. I don't give a fuck if you don't like the conservative, misogynist, whatever guy that came up with them. It's a fucking tool. Use it if it's useful. The Nazis implemented modern maternity leave and a bunch of other useful fucking things that we all use frequently but that doesn't mean you agree with everything they ever did, just because you've driven a Volkswagen down the highway before. Nor is "Nazis did it first" a good reason to stop using the olympic torch relay.
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Literally the frustration I was just posting about. Stop judging things based on one person's personality instead of the actual merit of said thing.
I can't express in words how disgusting it is that Elon Musk has just singlehandedly rescued stranded astronauts in space and brought them safely back home to earth, while at the same time media-brainwashed hysterics are blowing up the eco-friendly electric vehicles he made and popularized, because they've been told to believe he is evil.
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Stop judging concepts based on the person who came up with them. Love languages? A helpful tool for communicating better in a relationship. I don't give a fuck if you don't like the conservative, misogynist, whatever guy that came up with them. It's a fucking tool. Use it if it's useful. The Nazis implemented modern maternity leave and a bunch of other useful fucking things that we all use frequently but that doesn't mean you agree with everything they ever did, just because you've driven a Volkswagen down the highway before. Nor is "Nazis did it first" a good reason to stop using the olympic torch relay.
#stopped clock and all that#someone problematic invented it#is not a good criticism#if you can't articulate a real reason why something is bad#then you do not get a valid opinion#go look within#journal#research#whatever you need to have an intelligent conversation why something is bad#canwediscuss#politics#feminism#radical feminism#relationships#rant post#love langauges#and other concepts#this type of argument kills me
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PSA
This is The Adjuster (Robin Hoodie, Guy That Shot the CEO, etc.):

And this is Luigi Mangione:

And yes, they are both super cool and hot as fuck but remember, they are two different people. The Adjuster has not been found and Luigi was never involved in the shooting.
Do not talk about them as if they are the same person and do not further spread the idea that Luigi is guilty.
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Something I think a lot of people are severely lacking is WHY someone with an opposing view believes what they do. 99% of people want everyone to be happy, they just have different ideas of how that can be achieved. Key word there is CAN. Often I see people misattribute malice to people who simply don't agree that certain policies are effective. You're not virtuous because the things you support sound nice in a tumblr post. Especially if you completely ignore people who would be hurt by the things you support. So many arguments boil down to "But there's an alternative." And "you must hate people because I don't want to have my beliefs challenged in a meaningful way."
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Stop victim blaming has morphed into preventing people from taking lessons from peoples experiences. It's possible to say that a situation could be prevented in the future for other people without saying the victim deserved it. A victim being innocent or with no support network is NOT their fault.
However. If you, someone who is close to a woman, doesn't talk about possible red flags (before they're relevant if possible) then you are partially responsible.
This post brought to you by the "don't get married to guys who want to keep seperate finances" gang. You as a woman may think it's very progressive and freeing but the type of guy who brings up or agrees to that arrangement is not marriage material. If you still want to do it, go into marriage considering that it will never change... This post also brought to you by the "don't marry someone expecting you can change them how you want" gang
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