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If you keep handing a serial killer different tools they will figure out ways to kill people with them, it's actually fun enrichment for them

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New political spectrum- everybody's trad, it's just what decade you're trad to. For intance the average tumblr user is trad (2017), the average Republican is trad (1990), the tradwives that make the least sense are trad (1950) and the best among us are trad (B.C. 1480)

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Look, even if you fully support trans ideology, it's important to read testimonies like these. If you can't look at your own community honestly, you will help sabotage any chance it has of health and success.

OP Note: please do not harass these users! I share these screenshots uncensored to honor their testimonies. 2025 Edit: I really mean it, have some grace for people in the middle of growing. Future 'best ofs' will likely have names redacted. Art: cafekitsune

best of r/detrans: #2

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This kids, is the concept of replying to violence with violence. It's moral! Blocking roadways is financial and physical violence and therefore initiating a violent conflict.

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Other than the massive dehumanization of victims that the rest of us normal people know y'all don't care about, the problem with true crime is that it makes crime look fun and interesting to fucked up people and it's a fantastic how to guide.

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"It mAkES WoMen feEl moRE COmforTaBle"

Boob jobs are bad in a moral and ethical way. Shut the fuck up. Go to the corner until you're ready to be body positive.

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They're going to run out of movies, let's trick them into releasing morbius a third time

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twilight vigil candles that made me lose it in a record store

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Women are expected to be delicate and considerate towards men at all times including in liberal feminist circles and the moment you stop coddling men or, worse, treat them with disdain, you get treated like you have committed some grave sin. Like sorry, my feminism is for the liberation of women and I could not care less what men think of it.

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It's also not courageous if you'd immediately break down into a screaming puddle if a couple of guys removed you from the path without any harm actually coming to you

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Apologies for taking this screenshot on a potato

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Long ass response under cut

We can do this link by link, that's fine

Definition of abortion from your first link: Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy before the fetus can survive outside the uterus. It can occur spontaneously, known as a miscarriage, or be induced intentionally through medical or surgical procedures.

Definition of miscarriage from your second link: A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week of gestation. It is a relatively common event that can be caused by various factors, including chromosomal abnormalities, maternal health issues, lifestyle factors, or structural problems in the uterus or cervix.

This once again ignores the colloquial usage in political, not medical, conversations which is the entire point. Abortion is used to mean intentional termination. That is important because no pro lifer is trying to ban spontaneous abortion and refusing to understand the way words are used is not a good way to argue. Its intellectual dishonesty to ignore what people are trying to say and focus on an alternate meaning of a well established term.

The third link, the study "Induced and Spontaneous Abortion and Incidence of Breast Cancer Among Young Women" is fully available. I do not understand what the point of bringing this up is. The conclusion was breast cancer rates did not differ between spontaneous or induced abortion, and there was no increased risk of breast cancer either. This has nothing to do with whether or not to abort a baby.

The fourth link, the study "Abortion and Mental Health: Findings From the National Comorbidity Survey-Replication" fascinatingly proves the point that better care for women would lower the need for abortion because women who aborted babies were more likely to not be married and have mental illnesses. Again, my personal stance is promoting healthcare for women instead of abortion and I am against prioritizing legalizing abortion over improving healthcare for women, especially pre pregnancy and prenatal care. This study found that neither abortion nor birthing a child increased mental illness when controlling for race, socioeconomic status, and a plethora of other factors. Without and control, abortion did increase mental illnesses which again says fascinating things about how we treat women in the US.

The fifth link, the article "The facts about abortion and mental health" has a bunch of links and going through them all should be its own post but some of what was written was about the same conclusions mentioned in the fourth link and some was about mental health rates between those who wanted an abortion and either did or did not get one. The biggest thing I noticed was that after an initial disparity, both groups ended up with comparable mental health.

The sixth link, "Induced Abortion and Breast Cancer Risk" is honestly so funny, it only studied postmenopausal breast cancer rates and not whether or not abortion increases premenopausal rates of breast cancer. They also had somewhat unreliable data because abortion was illegal for the reproductive years of the women they were studying. This again, has nothing to do with my points of contention so I did not study it very thoroughly. Looks like breast cancer rates are comparable which is good, I suppose?

The seventh link, "COMPARING MORTALITY RISK OF INDUCED ABORTION WITH MORTALITY RISK OF STAYING PREGNANT" I could not access the actual data. If anyone can find it and give me a step by step, awesome. I don't have money to buy artices for tumblr posts right now and I'd be shocked if you paid for it either.

The eighth link, "Demography of Unintended Pregnancy" shows over half the pregnncies studied were unwanted and just over half unwanted pregnancies were intentionally aborted, not counting miscarriages in either category. Economic and marital status highly affect rates of unwanted pregnancies and race only slightly does. That one surprised me. What is your application of this study to being pro abortion? Once again the necessity seems to be preventable with methods that improve women's lives in other areas.

The ninth link "About Teen Pregnancy" notes that abstinence and birth control have a major effect on pregnancy rates and that race and other factors highly affect the likelihood of teen pregnancy. Abortion once again is one method that can be used and other methods would improve teens' lives in other areas along with pregnancy. To say nothing of combating pregnancy stigma and giving teens better aid to live their lives if they want to keep the child.

The tenth link, "“Stealthing”: Factors Associated with Young Men’s Nonconsensual Condom Removal" I'm not going to dignify considering a good reason for abortion. I have no argument with the fact that this is a problem and that it does happen. Higher standards for sex partners and instituting mandatory child support upon proof of paternity are better solutions but y'all don't like personal responsibility and I have no respect for choosing to ignore risks for five minutes of fun. Agree to disagree at best here. Although I find it funny how reprehensible you find my example of a reason for aborting a kid if you're pro choice.

The eleventh link "Reliability and Validity of the Sexual Pressure Scale for Women-Revised" is once again highlighting an issue that abortion does not solve- sti rates and how women are pressured into sex. Abortion does not affect the first and negatively impacts the second. I have no argument that pressuring women into sex is a problem and a thing that happens.

The twelfth link "The Gender Conservatism of Pro-life activists" shows that religious and conservative people tend to support the pro life movement more. This again, is not an argument I will engage with. I only debate moral and logical aspects of a concept, not whether an issue is invalid because a person or group of people support it. I've spoken in this problem before, cancel culture silencing real discussion lets ignorance thrive.

The thirteenth link "Reproductive Rights A Study of Pro-choice and Pro-Abortion Activism in Poland" exactly what it says. Abortion is a hot political topic, catholics and right wingers are against it, it generally correlates with gender politics and feminism, etc etc. Good for them. I know plenty of Pro life catholics myself but I also know pro life feminists, which I tend to think of myself as, as I am all for women's health and freedoms. This link is hardly on topic either. The demographics and history of abortion are a seperate subject to whether or not purposefully confusing spontaneous abortion and intentional abortion is dishonest and a seperate subject to whether or not abortion is best, good, bad, or worst.

I fucking skimmed the last two, sue me. Same lack of relevance as the last two.

So there was only one inaccessible link, my bad, I mistook two of the others as inaccessible.

Pullout is ineffective because people are stupid and undisciplined. Not going to argue that because I have no research on whether or not semen on the stomach or precum in the vagina has ever lead to pregnancy.

No, botched abortion and hemorrhage were the causes for immediate transportation. That was the exact reason. Illegal abortions being unsafe is something we agree on. Lol.

No the rape baby thing is an actual reason I've heard for being pro choice. As is gender discrimination, racial discrimination, and ableism. People abort for all kinds of reasons. If you want to debate reasons for aborting, I'm down but that is hardly strict pro choice or life.

And once again back to the actual issue! Abortion in a political sense is intentional! I am well aware that there are multiple meanings! The point is that going back to how evil it is that pro lifers want women in jail for miscarriages *or spontaneous abortions* is dishonest! You keep doing the thing I was making fun of in the original post! Going over the definition of abortion over and over gets us nowhere. Spontaneous abortion is unintentional. I get that. It really has no place in the debate over whether (induced) abortion should be legal which is why using the term abortion to ONLY mean induced abortion is normal.

"Prolifers don't like complexity" it's literally not complex. They're only against purposefully killing babies. The fucking idea that miscarriages somehow fall under that is so intellectually dishonest. Asinine even. Conflating terms to try and win an argument is childish at best and if you find yourself doing that it's time to take a good look at your own stance and identify your own cognitive dissonance.

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I actually did read your links but some of them don't have data, they have abstracts and you have to contact the facility to get the full study. You'd know that if you'd checked.

Thank you for having a reasonable argument for abortion, on that we'll have to agree to disagree because I think being unable to pullout in time makes a pathetic man and a stupid choice in sex partner and for me stupid decision making is a bad excuse for destroying human life and risking your own health. I work in medical transportation and I've had to transport two women this year so far who had legal abortions go bad and almost died and risking that for five minutes is again, stupid. Do oral or pullout. I've already mentioned preventing rape as a priority for my own activism so that's not really an issue of abortion for me. Although if you want to debate aborting rape babies so they don't grow up and become rapists, we have something to talk about.

"Prolifers don't like complexity" it's literally not complex. They're only against purposefully killing babies. The fucking idea that miscarriages somehow fall under that is so intellectually dishonest. Asinine even. Conflating terms to try and win an argument is childish at best and if you find yourself doing that it's time to take a good look at your own stance and identify your own cognitive dissonance.

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Considering the recent hateful rhetoric against Adriana and Chance Smith, I fully agree

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Abortion is a political term and y'all are aware of that whether or not you want to use it that way. Pretending pro lifers are against anything other than purposefully destroying a viable baby is what I have a problem with. Nobody is campaigning to make death itself illegal. That is the material point- engaging with real arguments instead of strawmen. Reiterating because it's a reoccurring issue. We can use whatever two words you want to denote the difference between accidental death in utero and killing in utero. Generally abortion is used for the second which is why it matters.

@colrell I'd love to see your rebuttal in more than just links, I have no argument with whether abortion does or does not increase risk of breast cancer, I don't know why that was such a big point for you. Some of the studies you listed were also inaccessible to me, I couldn't see the data.

With anything revolving demographics, why people choose abortion, or maternal mortality, I insist that better female healthcare will solve these issues with further benefits than a blanket legalization of abortion which still does not solve poverty, rape, poor maternal nutrition, etc. Hence my being against extreme prioritization of abortion in activism and education (and I'm sorry I didn't specify earlier).

You're absolutely right that demographics can predict the way people fall on an issue but stereotyping is not conducive to having productive conversations. Any person or group of people holds both correct and incorrect beliefs so judging a concept solely on whether a person you don't like agrees with it is illogical.

Lastly on your personal example, this is as much a story that shows how women are under supported as anything I could have chosen. Being pregnant was not her issue as she went on to have more children later. Access to education and support to do so during pregnancy and motherhood could have also solved this problem. Personally, I don't think women should feel pressured to have sex with people who can't support having a child or don't have the self control to pull out so higher self esteem and better sex ed solves those issues too. I'm sure you're trying to communicate that five minutes of fun shouldn't ruin a girl's life and I agree. I just don't agree that the best thing for her is abortion.

"Prolifers don't like complexity" it's literally not complex. They're only against purposefully killing babies. The fucking idea that miscarriages somehow fall under that is so intellectually dishonest. Asinine even. Conflating terms to try and win an argument is childish at best and if you find yourself doing that it's time to take a good look at your own stance and identify your own cognitive dissonance.

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Just saw a video post about how buying women flowers is oppressive because women are forced to cut them, arrange them in a vase, and water them. Called it purposeful ignorance or some shit.

Just don't arrange the fucking flowers??? Leave them as is and dispose of them when they're done for if you'd like. Your prison is your mind and getting men to change their behavior will not free you.

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Going point by point:

A- you immediately conflated the terms miscarriage and abort. In either ignorance or irony you're starting off with dishonesty and nothing I could say would be more relevant than my original post.

B- I am absolutely for women's health care and I can acknowledge that current laws and protocols are often harmful to women while also pointing out that the extreme prioritization of abortion also harms women's health. I do not support neglect after miscarriage and neither do most people outside of the ultra rich that profit off of the medical system as it currently exists. Abortion being strictly defined as I outlined may help with this issue to some small degree.

C- there's no reason to care about your organs being used for good reasons after death as you are no longer the possessor of them. However, donated organs are yet again subject to greed and are often sold to the highest bidder, not those who need them most or first. That aside, pregnancy is a contract and having created a new human by your own choice, it's your responsibility to not infringe on their autonomy. Babies do not force themselves on people, it is the already living's choice and therefore consent. There is only one way to get pregnant (without intense effort and budget) and the chances of sex being accidental are astronomically low. There are a million ways to NOT get pregnant that are better than abortion after on a moral and practical level. Rape being the one true situation where pregnancy is not consented to, anti rape measures fix this issue while addressing a much larger issue (rape) that isn't addressed by abortion. This issue has nothing to do with how abortion is defined which was the main focus of my post.

D- common mistake made on both sides of any issue: assuming that the people who disagree with you on one issue are also united to disagree with you on every issue. Current lawmakers are not united with any group other than themselves, every issue must be worked on individually and being for or against a current law does not imply you are for or against every single one.

E- again, you are conflating what normal people want with what benefits the ruling class. Additionally, your own misery and lack of empathy is not a reason to kill someone else. This argument is based on personal emotion and ableism, not moral or logic. As there are many people who have said that they are glad to be alive and glad they were not aborted inspite of being abused or disabled from birth, and there are plenty of suicidal people from good families and healthy bodies, you cannot justify not giving people the chance to decide. This is also an issue of pretending that killing a baby will solve a woman's issues. She will still be poor, abused, raped, etc.

You again chose to dismiss abortion as not killing a baby which is still misleading. That is still the material point of the post that if you want to debate the morality that is fine but you have to be honest to have a productive conversation.

"Prolifers don't like complexity" it's literally not complex. They're only against purposefully killing babies. The fucking idea that miscarriages somehow fall under that is so intellectually dishonest. Asinine even. Conflating terms to try and win an argument is childish at best and if you find yourself doing that it's time to take a good look at your own stance and identify your own cognitive dissonance.