#loveless allo

[lovelessrage]

I think if you've ever made an argument for "love is what makes us human" that isn't "you cannot measure humanity by any singular measure, let alone a single emotion that nobody will experience the same way, if they experience it at all" loveless people should be allowed to bite you.

[isobug]

General Loveless flag

For @the-crystalized-cosmos , who wanted my take on this, a flag for anyone who is Loveless in any way! Inclusive of everyone, aspec, allospec, neither, both, etc who is in some way disconnected from the concept of love, does not feel love, may doubt that they feel love, or rejects the idea of experiencing love. Incredibly broad!

Made by combining the original Loveless Aro flag, this LovelessRomantic flag, and this alternative Loveless Romantic flag.

I used an orange stripe in the middle because I used the color on my Non-Limerent flag and I feel like these two terms have some overlap. Also I wanted to use red originally for contrast but I thought red was a little too associated with love so. Orange.

Taglist - @radiomogai, @revenant-coining

[crowdsourcedgender]

Hello Hello, I've come to request something. Lots of words, sorry in advance. Any chance you can make a general loveless flag and a loveless allo flag? All the loveless flags we've found are aspec ones, except for loveless romantic (which I'm just not a fan of, since it implies love is only romantic to us). So general Loveless just being "someone who is in some way disconnected from the concept of love, does not feel love, may doubt that they feel love, or rejects the idea of experiencing love." For anyone who IDs as loveless, aspec or otherwise. Loveless allo being the same as above but only for those than ID as allo- (in any ending)

For flag ideas, maybe changing the green stripes to be very light (light pastel I guess? but not necessarily highly saturated to avoid eyestrain) and different colors. The colors to represent the different forms of love there are, and them being lighter to represent the lack of love? Then just keeping the gray since it seems like a very important part of the loveless flags pattern. And then for the Loveless Allo flag, maybe switching the gray to be where the green stripes on the loveless aro flag are, and where the gray flags of the loveless aro flag are there could be actual colors for the loveless allo flag? so kinda like the flag is reversed, since it's for allos instead of aspecs?

(Yes despite these ideas I am horrible with coming up with the actual flag lol. Feel free to not follow the suggestions as they are, just suggestions. Ideas if you need them. But we trust your flag making skills)

-Eliax

Hey! I'm sorry this request is taking so long, but I did finish the loveless allo flag and I'm hoping I can get the other one done soon! I tried out your suggestion for the loveless allo colors but couldn't make it work unfortunately.

[Image ID: Two seven stripe flags, the first with a pink tint/colors and the second with a red tint/colors. There is a three stripe gradient from dark grey to light grey, dark pink or red, light pink or red, and reverse colors. /End ID]

Loveless allo (any suffix) flag and alt flag!

The greys represent lovelessness and not needing/wanting love (just like the original) and the pinks/reds represent feeling any kind of attraction.

[aromanticunt]

“Love makes you human” actually what makes me human is a large amulet that I hid hundreds of years ago that’s slowly feeding me power so my mortal body can live on forever, but you do you I guess

[redysetdare]

Some of you people need to stop acting so shitty over aspec stereotypes because it's starting to get to a point that you are just shitting on the people who experiences match the stereotypes and it's hurting a lot more aspects than it's helping.

[sapphic-sprite]

I feel like this needs to be said, but some of y’all really need to start learning to mind your own business when it comes to alloaros. especially alloaros who are loveless or don’t perform aromanticism the way you want it to be. being exclusively aromantic isn’t a bad thing and the only reason y’all think it could be is because of amanormativity. sort that out on your own time and stop making aromantic people explain it to you when you are perfectly capable of looking it up. thank you.

[privateolives]

This is probably because I grew up watching 24/7 animal planet, but what finally made the allo/aplatonic thing click for me were the nature's of big cats.

Lions are powerful, regal creatures who are uniquely adapted to pack life. They need these connections to live a healthy life; A lonely lion is a miserable creature indeed.

Jaguars are solitary, beautiful creatures who live happily solitary. They prowl their lush world with self-sufficient majesty. A jaguar is not lonely without a pack. In fact, forcing jaguars to share space with others they do not enjoy is just as damaging as forcing a lion to live alone.

A lion may choose to head out on it's own for the most part, but in the end must return to the pack to thrive. A jaguar can choose to trust and enjoy the company of others, but they never feel the need to form a pack.

Is a jaguar selfish for this? A psychopath, a narcissist or any other such horrid assumptions? Is it a less moral creature than a lion, who seeks others like it to thrive?

Is a lion pathetic, or needy, or selfish for wanting community? For requiring contact with others like they require water? For their inherent need to string complicated webs of relationships that may seem silly or dramatic to others?

Of course not. These are ridiculous questions to even ask.

They are simply lions and jaguars.

In fact, is a jaguar that chooses to spend time with you not as magical as a lion's love? For a creature that needs no bond to thrive to still enjoy your presence enough to share it a time? Is a lion who can prowl the night alone not impressive in its strength and resilience? Is it not awe-inspiring in its ability to conquer a life it was never wired for and reign still?

Are they not both beautiful and awe-inspiring in their own ways, without being wrong?

Alloplatonics. Aplatonics. Are we not both special and beautiful in both our bonds and self-confident happiness equal, in each our ways? Is there not unique beauty in lifelong bonded packs and magical encounters that need no perpetuity to carry life forward?

Are we not but lions and jaguars? Neither wrong, neither selfish, but just different and beautiful creatures in each our ways?

That's how I've come to see it, anyway.

[papercranesandpride]

I'm having very aroallo thoughts about the fact that the stereotypical sex talk starts with "when a man and a woman love each other very much..."

Like yeah, the cisheteronormativity of that statement is obviously a problem, but so is the assumption that sex must coincide with love. It's not like anyone ever has sex for any other reason. But of course, even if young people have hookups and casual sexual relationships, everyone eventually settles down and finds someone they actually love to have sex with, right?

[findafight]

Sometimes the way people talk about ships in fandom, especially queer ships they hope to be canon and/or endgame, and how there is no straight/platonic explanation for the ways characters act towards each other really emphasises that often fandom

1) does not view a friendship as a fully formed relationship that has arguments and disagreements and make ups and affection

2) cannot comprehend a deep and platonic bond that is just if not more important than romance

3) despite being vocally queer-friendly, still excludes aromantic (and asexual, to a different degree) interpretations from the queer umbrella allowed for the characters, leading to a hypocrisy that also extends to biphobia that is rampant. These are covert biases, and very rarely are they out right declared, because often they are coming from allies or queer people themselves, but one must be aware of the language used and the dog whistles those who experience or are looking out for these kinds of dismissals or exclusions would see as warning signs.

4) is unaware that every relationship is unique and there most certainly IS a platonic explanation for those actions. People react differently, they have jealousy and love and anger and affection, all of which can be present in a platonic and meaningful friendship, leading them to lash out, or touch tenderly, or cry when they argue. Love and affection are not exclusive to romance

[uncanny-tranny]

It's fine to be loveless as an aro. It isn't the end of the world, actually, and you aren't a threat, nor are you an annoyance. If others feel threatened by your completely loveless aromanticism that says more about them than it does about you <2

[sttardelicious]

I hate when an allo person reads loveless and just don't get it. They just hate the book and the reasoning is something that is an aroace experience.

I don't care if you dislike the book, it's your opinion, but I just saw someone saying one of the reasons was bc in one part georgia said she wished she was gay and her friend didn't say anything, and then this person compared this to straight girls saying they wish they were gay, and this made me so mad, bc YOU FUCKIN IDIOT, MOST AROACES PEOPLE HAVE THE PHASE WE WISH WE WERE OTHER SEXUALITY BC WHEN YOU'RE DISCOVERING YOURSELF ITS LONELY, IT'S NOT IN A STRAIGHT GIRL WAY AND MORE IN A "I don't want to be lonely" WAY!!

anyway, I also hate when allo people say the book is boring bc of the aroace, YOU DUMBASS, THIS BOOK IS FOR US, YOU GUYS HAVE ALMOST EVERY SINGLE BOOK FOR YOU, LET US HAVE SOMETHING TOO!!!

my god, how can allos be so irritating

[lovelessrage]

A loveless life is possible. A loveless life is satisfying. A loveless life is complete. A loveless life is whole. A loveless life does not need to be answered for. A loveless life is peaceful. A loveless life is long and full. A loveless life is free. A loveless life is finding acceptance. A loveless life is self-determination. A loveless life is, and always will be, worth living.

[whatsacrush]

Quick reminder that this was Georgia Warr's reaction to finding out that other people (sexually) fantasize about/get off too people they have crushes on.

[aromanticbastards]

tbh i think i'm gonna start killing people who come to loveless aromantics to say shit like "but you know love doesn't have to be romantic right?". like just fucking think for more than two seconds about which people are probably aware that romance isn't the end-all for anything. i am not asking anymore

[aromanticunt]

when I say I’m going to marry a celebrity and some miserable person has to respond with “that’s not aromantic” I hope everyone knows I mean marriage in the most sexual non-romantic way possible, there will be zero love in our hypothetical marriage only vibes and sex and money

[infiniteorangethethird]

writing aro stories rocks actually it's like every time an amatonormative stereotype pisses me off I can just add another aromantic character to restore the balance of the universe