#jorge when I find you jorge

[ice-magician]

Everyone, each Epic fan. All of you. Sit down

Yes, even you, Jerry.

“I see you on the brink of death.”

“I see you draw your final breath.”

“I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer YOU.”

The monster is above human, which makes him now able to summon his own choir, which he does with the chants of “600 MEN!” during the 600 Strike fight scene.

Odysseus is “dead”. The monster lives.

[very-gay-poet]

Okay but like what if in Epic when Ody reunites with his wife and kid there's a quiet moment when they fully realize that its been around 20 years since they last saw each other, and they're back together and nothing is in their way now, they're all safe and happy, for Ody, and maybe even for Penelope and Telemachus, it's the first time in 20 years they actually are okay, nobody is here to hurt them anymore, no one's lurking around the corner to try and get them, and what if, in that moment, Ody sings quietly, "Penelope.....Telemachus..." while stroking his son's hair he never got to see grow, cupping his wife's cheek finally getting to touch and see her after all these years, as a presentation of the growth over these sagas, every time he's said that he's screamed it, yelled it, he killed his whole crew for the chance he could have this, and now he has it, and the music is soft and hopeful for he finally has what he's been working toward for so long....and what if I go cry WHAT THEN HUH??

[idk-what-to-put-here-so-egg]

IN DANGEROUS WHEN ODYSSEUS TALKS BOUT 600 MEN THERE'S NO BACKGROUND VOCALS COS HIS WHOLE FUCKING CREW DIED AND LIEKJDRFBHJEKWDLADWF

[haley-harrison]

Epic the musical memes - Part 4

[grape-jucie-dog]

So... The Vengeance Saga huh?

[ironcladrhombus]

I've listened to Legendary a million times but ONLY JUST NOW did I hear Athena's theme (in Telemachus's instrument) during the "somebody tell me, come and give me a sign" line.

[serelyly-hikari]

Jfkfkfkkff

[iamasalmon]

glad to see the entire fandom collectively freaking out. its always a blessing to listen to other people scream.

[aroace-anomaly]

ATTENTION EPIC THE MUSICAL FANS

I WAS LISTENING TO SCYLLA

AND AT THE END WHEN SCYLLA SINGS "we are the same you and-" and odysseus sings with her on "i,i,iiiiiiiiii"

i was like huh, thats odd, why did he only sing along for that one bit

and THEN I thought back to other songs and realized that, usually, the significance of two characters singing together in the same melody (like in there are other ways, the underworld, warrior of the mind) it means that, for lack of a better word, they AGREE. OR AT LEAST ARE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH.

SO ODYSSEUS STARING DOWN THIS ELDRITCH HORROR

AND SINGING ALONG WITH IT

*wild gesturing* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[ice-magician]

Guys,

I found something else sad in the Wisdom Saga visuals.

So, we have Telemachus. He’s walking around his palace, background scenery changing and he enthusiastically sings about what he wants

Cut to Odysseus.

Another walk cycle with the background changing, except he’s being pulled, TOLD what he wants and needs…

And when he realizes he can’t leave, the world continues to move, but he’s frozen in fear. Jorge. El_Crafts. @gigizetz . When I find you all. When I find you…

[howmanyholesinswisscheese]

You mean where Penelope’s waiting?

[chaosandwolves]

WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK

WHAT WAS THAT

I'M SO OVERWHELMED AND STUNNED AND SPEECHLESS AND

WHAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT THE HEEEELLLLLLLLLLL

everyone involved

FUCKING AMAZING JOB

I'm losing my mind omfg

[batsplat]

i will be in permanent agony next year when marc squeezes pecco like a bug, unless it happens aragón 2021 style, where the unstoppable force (marc) meets an immovable object (passing pecco bagnaia), and marc has to really throw everything at it to come out on top. mostly because marc has a twinkle in his eyes when he looks at pecco, like he sees some sort of a challenge he’d enjoy to take on, and pecco just refuses to look at him 💀

also, martin said pecco plays the most amount of mind games, and i need to see that in 2025 before coming to a conclusion, otherwise it’s just jorge writing fanfiction about bagnaia as the ultimate bad guy of his life (i get it, jorge, next time pecco dnf’s i’ll choose to start stanning you, unlike the ducati bosses)

I think pecco does play mind games! admittedly if you're setting the standard at 'valentino', sure, he's pretty harmless, but pretty much every top level athlete will do a little of this! he does put some thought into how to manage expectations, what he's saying about his own chances and his opponents' chances going into weekends, that kind of thing. generally he might not outright attack his rivals, but he's not opposed to dropping the occasional snide remark. that being said, of course it's quite funny and revealing that jorge zeroed in on pecco as the mind games guy. pecco's very much his personal antagonist... such a good figure to externalise all those knotty feelings of being under-valued and under-appreciated and underrated... it's fairly natural that if you're fighting someone for a title, you get a bit of tunnel vision for them, so it's not that surprising a pick from martin. still fun! I absolutely buy martin's built pecco up a bit too much in his mind, is prone to reading malice into stuff where it probably wasn't intended on pecco's part. sometimes you end up playing mind games on yourself and the other guy doesn't really need to contribute

anyway, about the pecco/marc thing - yeah, look, obviously marc is the favourite in that title battle. that being said, if you look at marc's historical record, I wouldn't be all that surprised if aragon 2021 and jerez this year aren't the outliers. it's completely plausible marc wins that teammate battle quite comfortably but continues to lose in their actual one-on-one duels... because that did often happen during his prime. in 2013, sure, he won that early battle in jerez (which was just kinda building throughout to that one overtake), but he lost the rematch at silverstone. 2014 is the one where he was just kinda winning everything - so this one's kinda the exception, where he might lose some scraps like brno and misano but the extended battles in qatar, mugello, silverstone all go his way. from then on, the most memorable one-on-one duels with his big rivals are pretty often not working out in his favour. 2015 obviously a few with valentino, though he also doesn't win the title there so let's skip that, but 2016? the two duels everyone remembers from that year are mugello and catalunya - both go against him, both are defeats inflicted by his two main title rivals in jorge and valentino respectively, but it doesn't matter because afterwards the rest of the season goes his way. 2017 you've got austria and motegi where he takes on dovi and loses both times - but it doesn't change the momentum of the season and marc still wins in the end. 2018 doesn't really have a title fight, but again he's losing austria to jorge (before winning thailand so that's something). 2019, again not really a title fight, but he loses austria and silverstone before winning a couple of duels against rookie fabio at misano and thailand. in both those seasons, he's not really being challenged for the title - but if you looked just at the duels, you'd think the competition was a lot closer than the reality

none of this is to say that marc is bad at wheel-to-wheel racing, because he very obviously is not. (which by the way you can tell the moment you stop looking just at one-on-one's and include dogfights - sure, he's not won all of them, but pi '15 pi '17 assen '18 are all super memorable for a reason.) it's just an interesting pattern in his career: when he gets himself involved in extended duels with a single rival, he loses quite frequently, but it still doesn't hurt his title campaign. that's excellent mental resilience! it does, however, show that he doesn't really build his title campaigns around those big dramatic victories, around inflicting a dramatic and demoralising defeat on his rival in one-to-one combat. in this sense, he is obviously different from valentino: for instance 2004 is a title campaign that was built entirely around that trio of races early in the season (mugello, catalunya, assen) where he reclaims the championship lead and dulls sete's confidence by winning successive tight one-to-one battles. (also of course 2008/09, but those almost feel too obvious to mention.) when you look at marc's title campaigns, what they really rely on more than anything else is... well, consistency. the fact that he's basically always fast - and that generally speaking, he's finding himself in last lap duels at circuits where he shouldn't be able to contend for the victory at the last lap in the first place. (obviously qatar and austria, but also for instance honda was having a rough one at misano 2019, which is traditionally one of his strongest tracks but can be quite quirky.) (just saying, misano's a really good pecco track too... wouldn't that be fun...) it's relentless, intimidating pace that he's using to win all those titles... if you look at the races that changed the momentum in his various title winning seasons, it's not actually ever one-on-one duels, it's races where he won or was even just on the podium where all his rivals for one reason or another weren't there. maybe jorge and dani are injured, or maybe his rivals are having some horror show flag-to-flag races, or maybe ducati's having an off-weekend, or maybe everyone who isn't marc just refuses to stop crashing, or maybe jorge's decided to skittle the field

with the one-on-one battles themselves, sometimes it's kind of like... 'okay, sure, you won, but the fact I was even there probably isn't great news for you'. this is what jerez this year was about, right - of course, that was an important win for pecco, but also the fact that marc is fighting with him this early into his ducati career on a year old bike is certainly... a concern. obviously marc does want to win those duels, but he does also seem pretty capable of bouncing back after losing them. some of them have bothered him, sure - the worst was probably assen 2015, where there was obviously a lot of other stuff going on... and because it was that bit of the year where he was finding his feet again with that honda and they headed to the sachsenring next, his on-track performances didn't take a hit. you can argue that argentina 2015 did negatively affect his results... but that was also just a bit of the panic of 'I need to make up points now' in response to his first real adversity in the premier class - and anyway, everyone knows that wasn't a perfect marc season, the point is he was a lot better at managing this stuff going forwards. in 2016 and 2017 in particular, he really does do an excellent job of taking these close defeats in his stride

this is a long way of saying, look, I could easily imagine a version of 2025 where pecco wins a dramatic duel against marc at catalunya and then another one at mugello, and yet marc still wins that season pretty comfortably. that's basically the season I'm expecting... I'd quite like to have something different, because honestly I do enjoy it when the on-track battles actually affect title fights a bit more substantially! that being said, marc definitely wants to beat pecco in a one-on-one duel (though I'm sure that lovely le mans last lap pass will have gone a long way towards cheering him up) - and hey, interpersonal emotional stakes are a lot of fun too. hopefully even if there isn't much of a title fight they can still snap at each other a bit... as a treat

[idk-what-to-put-here-so-egg]

"FOR EVERY COMRADE, FOR EVERY MAN" ITS THE FUCKING MELODY FOR FULL SPEED AHEAD "WATCH WHERE THE BIRDS FLY.... THEY WILL LEAD US TO LAND......"

[ankahikoibaat]

pls I can't stop thinking about Zeus in the first sage going "the blood on your hands is something you can't lose, all you can choose is whose" to in the current saga telling Odysseus its his life or the crew's, its okay I'm fine I'm completely not hyperventilating into a paperbag or anything.

[brunhielda]

I have only done a cursory glance through the internet but…

I can find no evidence that Lin Manuel Miranda has any idea who Jorge Rivera-Herrans IS?!

Like- has no one asked this man about Epic in an interview or at a Convention yet? Do we- do we actually KNOW that he even knows Epic the Musical EXISTS????

Cause, and maybe I’ve misjudged this, but Mr. Miranda, with all his Puerto Rican pride, and his extreme excitement over new cool art, seems like the kind of person who upon finding out this new thing is taking off would have been shouting it from rooftops. I mean, right?

Maybe he’s trying to stay out of line light for the moment to have a private life, maybe he doesn’t want to overshadow a new artist with his voice by stepping into the conversation, or maybe he had months of shouting and I completely missed it (I have been known to periodically hide under a rock for my mental health, it is possible for me to miss major nerdom news from time to time).

All I’m saying is-

If no one’s told him yet, someone needs to introduce this man to Epic the Musical. Because he would be so fricken excited.

And honestly that would be enough, just to bring that wonderful artist more artist joy, BUT… if we’re really lucky a reaction gets leaked like Hamilton Polka and we get to see it.