#jedi/sith history

[kittystargen3]

Story Summary: A time traveling Grandmaster, to the Prequel Era, trying to fix the mistakes the Jedi made, and get rid of a certain Sith too. Only Time Travel is not that easy, as Yoda will soon learn.

Hi all,

Today I published a new chapter to Time Travel: To the Past Yoda Goes. Below is a small selection. Please use the links above to read more.

Chapter 68- Darkness

30 Years ago:

Yoda looked up at the time-piece against the wall and sighed.  

“Master, I won’t say I didn’t tell you this…” Dooku growled from the other side of the chamber.  “In fact, the whole council warned you about his fit as a padawan.”

Yoda tuned out his previous Padawan’s lectures, and he turned around the room to pace again.  

Suddenly the door opened and a teenaged boy with dark skin, and long brown hair, fastened back in dreads, timidly walked in.  Unsurprisingly, he seemed to immediately sense the judgment from the masters in the room.

“Well, there you go then.  I’d love to stay for the grilling, but Qui-Gon will be taking his trials next week, and I promised him to help him prepare for it.”  Dooku made his excuses and quickly skedaddled from the room, making sure to glare at the boy before he left.

The other Masters soon did the same, and Yoda was alone with a youngling that refused to look up and give him eye contact.  

“You��re angry, Master.  I know it was a risk, but if I'd had a few seconds more time, I could have made it work.  And then…”

“Angry, I am not… Disappointed, I am.”  Yoda corrected.  The boy’s face fell.  “Recovering from severe burns, two other Padawans are.  Included in their number you almost were.”

“But if Master Rancisis hadn't pulled me away, it wouldn't have exploded.” He sighed.  “I know everyone thinks I’ve fallen to the dark side, or that I’m flirting with it, or something.  But I haven’t.  I'm just tired of everyone waiting for me to fail.” 

“Padawan Windu. With me, come.”  Yoda said, and the youngling looked up in surprise.  

He followed Yoda down a seldom used lift to a part of the temple few Padawans had ever been to.  Technically it was a part of the Jedi Archives, if anyone looked at a temple floor plan.  But those who knew what it contained simply called it, ‘The Dark Vault.’

“Sense what, do you?”  Yoda asked.  

“Power, there’s a lot of it down here.”  Mace answered.  “Hey, if we have all this, why don’t we ever use it?”  

Yoda glared at his Padawan, and subtly used their new forcebond to remind him why they were having this conversation in the first place.

Mace shuffled a step back and corrected his wording, “I mean the Masters, of course.  The criminals wouldn't stand up to this being used against them.”

“Of the start of the Jedi-Sith Conflict, how much do you know?”  Yoda asked.

“Ancient history now,”  Yoda responded with a glare before the youngling could make a comment about his age.  “Uh, The Jedi were the original Force-users.  They used to use the whole force, light and dark, and…”

“What?”  Yoda asked.  

“Huh?” Mace responded with.

“Original Force-users our predecessors were.  Distinguish between light and dark, they did not.   Because Dark yet, the force was not.”  Yoda paused to look up at his Padawan.  Mace looked even more confused than he usually did during a Force-Physics class when his instructor started ranting in Rybese.  “A time for living, all things have.  And a time to die and rejoin the Force, all things do as well.  Both, a part of the Living Force, it originally was.”

“So then what changed?” Mace wisely asked....

[charmwasjess]

I always assumed the deal with Count Gora hating Dooku for being Force sensitive went back to the ancient Sith occupation of Serenno, his own house being tainted by association with the very people his family allegedly defeated.

But I was rereading the cursed book and the opening scene where Jenza is robbed, she's specifically going on about how she doesn't care about the money, but she really needs back this special crystal that belonged to her grandmother? And her mother is gonna kill her if she loses it?

How much funnier is it if Gora hated Force sensitives because of a very annoying ex-Jedi mother-in-law??

[groundrunner100]

Happy Black History Month, Star Wars homies!

[valenteal]

Part 2 of Val’s History of the Jedi (and Sith. Lots of Sith in this one.)

Alright! Since I’ve been given an open invitation to talk about the history of the Jedi Order that’s what I’m gonna do! In my last post I talked about the founding of the Jedi Order and their alliance with the Republic and the First Great Schism. Today I’m gonna be talking about the Jedi Order’s never ending war against the dark side. I talked about the First Great Schism yesterday on purpose because despite its name the First Great Schism is definitely the odd one out because the Legions of Lettow did not seek power or influence, only freedom to practice the Force in ways the Jedi wouldn’t allow (for no good reason).

The Second Great Schism on the other hand… yeah they were evil.

A group of Jedi who practiced the dark side and Force Alchemy (scary stuff) split from the Jedi Order triggering a war known as the Hundred Year Darkness which lasted from 7000 BBY to 6900 BBY and honestly the details aren’t important (they don’t exist. This stuff is only really mentioned as historical events popping up in various places. Huge thanks to the Wookiepedia team that somehow managed to track down all the references and compile them in chronological order!) but what happened to the survivors is. See, a few of the Dark Jedi survived and were captured. Killing prisoners is still a no-no for the Jedi because they’re trying to keep the moral high ground but they see anyone with substantial knowledge of the dark side too dangerous to keep alive and accessible. So instead of imprisoning the dark Jedi they loaded them onto a derelict ship and exiled them, thinking there was no way the ship would hold and that the dark Jedi would die before ever even picking a destination. (Obviously since I’m still talking about it, they were wrong.)

So, what happened to the Dark Jedi? So glad you asked! I actually have journal entries from some of them explaining it, found in Book of the Sith, an amazing in universe collection of dark side texts compiled by Sidious and with annotations from him and his various apprentices and Jedi who had confiscated parts of it before Sidious got to it. It doesn’t totally line up with legends, all of which I’m using, since it’s an attempt to condense everything for easier consumption, and that leads to the loss of important nuance, like how they combined elements of the First and Second Great Schism, which is ridiculous because the Legions of Lettow and regular Dark Jedi have almost nothing in common but I digress. The story of the exiled Dark Jedi remains in tact and that’s what matters.

I am not Sith. I do not share their blood. Yet, in the time since we arrived among these savage people, we have become their rulers. For the Force-strong must ever seek power. We have adopted their titles, their dress, and their traditions. We are no longer Jedi expelled from the Republic’s smothering embrace. We are the Jen’jidai, Lords of the Sith.

When those Dark Jedi were exiled one of them, the one writing the journal, used the Force to navigate through uncharted space to a planet so rich in the dark side that it created a beacon that they could sense. This planet was Korriban, homeworld of the Sith species and now their sacred tomb world after its surface was decimated in the war against invading Rakata. The Sith Empire’s political and economic center is located on the nearby planet of Ziost, though they have spread onto all the planets along the hyperspace route known as the Stygian Caldera. Anywho, the Dark Jedi took control of the Sith Empire because they respected strength, especially in the Force because the Sith species was incredibly powerful in the Force and always had been so it was a major part of their culture. Combining the already powerful Sith traditions with the Dark Jedi’s extensive knowledge of more complex Force techniques as well as the knowledge of how to build lightsabers… yeah. Incredibly powerful and warlike empire with an extreme hatred for the Jedi and the Republic.

So, the Jedi have no clue that the Dark Jedi survived or that the Sith Empire exists. That is, until about 5000 BBY when hyperspace scouts accidentally make contact with the Sith Empire, triggering what is known as the Great Hyperspace War. Now, there has just been major upheaval in the Sith Empire, following the death of their leader Marka Ragnos. Ragnos had maintained power by pitting potential rivals against each other before they could turn their sights on him, but Naga Sadow, who ascended to the throne following a messy conflict with Ludo Kressh, did not think to do this. The famous folly of the Sith has always been infighting, constant internal power grabs. So, despite technically being ruler of the Sith Sadow did not have control over their full military, command of which was spread out among the many Sith Lords.

As a result, when Naga Sadow invaded the Republic he had to use Dark Side Illusions to augment his fleet. Once this was discovered he was quickly pushed back to Sith space, where Ludo Kressh awaited his return. It turned out Kressh had faked his death and gathered an army while Sadow was away. However, Kressh was again defeated and Sadow escaped, taking refuge on the moon of Yavin 4. Remember that, it’ll be important later.

Now, the Great Hyperspace war is over. The Sith military is devastated and they have no leader. So what do the Jedi and the Republic do? They invade the Stygian Caldera and do their best to find and destroy all the remaining Sith Strongholds and their Lords. Obviously they didn’t do a very good job because one of the surviving Sith Lords, Vitiate, gathered eight thousand other surviving Sith Lords to his home planet Nathema. Now, you would think he did this with the goal of rebuilding their forces, but it was actually kill everything on the planet except himself and use a force ritual to absorb their life essence and power in the Force giving himself god like power and abandoning his name to be known exclusively as the Sith Emperor. Yeah. That happened. So he gathered up the remaining remains of the Sith Empire, blamed Nathema on the Jedi, and led them on a mass exodus from Sith space. They traveled into the Unknown Regions for twenty years before finding Dromund Kaas, a forgotten Sith colony, where they resettled and began rebuilding their Empire.

The Jedi have no clue this is happening, by the way. They’re back on Coruscant and Ossus and a ton of other scattered enclaves around Republic space doing their own thing now.

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[selenescantina]

Question for the Jedi and Sith. What do you think about the historical figure: Kreia/Darth Traya?

Sorla: Kreia was once a Jedi in the time before the Jedi Civil War. According to records, she was one of the many masters of Revan. Of course, this is history from over 300 years ago. While I have not listened to her teachings myself, I do find myself wanting to discover more about her history. There are also theories that Kreia was once the Jedi Knight Arren Kae. I personally believe that Kreia and Arren Kae were one in the same, but it is a question that will continue to be wondered throughout galactic history.

Oro'a: Darth Traya had attempted and failed to rebuild the Sith on Korriban. Betrayed by both of her apprentices, she no longer fit within the dichotomy of Sith or Jedi. I find it strange that she viewed the Force with such hatred and even sought out to destroy it completely. The woman is an enigma within the Sith and the Jedi, but that is the reason I wish to hear her teachings. It's fascinating when you truly think about who she was.

Zaedesh and Nivirhy:

[vandervoiz]

lowkey wondering how much anyone in the star wars universe knows about the sith. a thousand years of secrecy to the point that their enemy, the jedi, were sure of their demise. a millennia of nothing at all to the outside world. and then, prominent figures such as dooku, palpatine(in secrecy but still, his allegiance was eventually revealed to the jedi), vader, and, to an extent, maul. and yet, nothing other than that. nothing of the texts or how a thousand years have changed them. complete silence. only what they had been once, what they preached and what they had done once. only actions, only of those that were confirmed.

even the jedi, as prominent as they were, were a mystery to most or at best, mere wizards with lightsabers. the sith? nothing at all. at best, jedi with red sabers, jedi who were evil, or jedi who were different in a way nobody knew. how much did the jedi know of the sith? a thousand years can change a lot, they would would have been against a complete unknown. and yes, maybe it doesn't matter who the sith were outside of the damage they wrought to the galaxy. but a thousand years is a long time. how much were the sith like the ones that came before them? how much did the line of bane change the sith?

just as the open and closed from the comics had forgotten what it had been that made them fight, the battle continued by different people altogether, the jedi were fighting against something they didn't know anymore, something that could have been different. and yet it wasn't. the sith had stayed the same. or maybe they hadn't. does it matter?

[underwaterspiderbird]

Jedi Apologists in a nutshell

J.A.: *push random kid on the playground and take their toy* fuck you i’m the good guy

R.K.: no fuck you you suck

J.A.: OMG NAZIIIII!!1!1! NAAAZIIII!!! HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT THIS NAAAAAAZIIIIII DONT THEY KNOW THAT IM THE GOOD GUY AND THAT ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A ROTTEN OLD NAAAZIIIIIII!!!!1!!1!

[aestaseuria]

I've been thinking recently about the Sith Wars and specifically how it must have impacted Mando'ade-Jedi relationships for centuries onward. Buckle in, cause this is going to be a long one. We hear a lot in canon how the Mandalorians are historically the Jedi's enemies, often siding with the Sith in conflicts.

And yet, we have Jedi Master and Mand'alor Tarre Vizsla, who is seen as held in high regard by both the Jedi and the Mando'ade. He is Mando'ad by blood and Jedi by Creed before he became the Mand'alor. We also know that something happened to cause the Darksaber, Tarre's lightsaber, to become the symbol of the Mand'alor. Thus we know that in some form or another, the Mando'ade of the day (or at least some of them) did not see the Jedi as the child-stealing, emotionless sect that so many thought as them as by at least the time of the Acolyte. So then why would they be considered generational/historical enemies by the time Jaster Mereel became Mand'alor? Why would they be considered historic allies of the Sith if the Sith were gone from not too long after little Tarre was given to the Order to decades after Jaster died?

In real life, feuds like those don't just appear out of no where. Like, the enemyship of Israel and Palestine didn't poof into existence from thin air, it came from centuries of consistent conflict between the two peoples. To figure out what caused such hostility between the Mando'ade and Jedi that it would survive nearly 1000 years past the end of the Sith Wars, we must then look at the context in which each culture exists and how that shapes their views on each other.

First and most obvious, we have the Dral'han, the Mandalorian Excision. The Jedi were ordered by the Senate to commit orbital bombardment on Manda'yaim, the Mandalorians' home planet. This occurred in 738 BBY, 272 years after the Ruusan Reformation and 312 years after Tarre Vizsla joined the Jedi. But again, this is AFTER the end of the Sith Wars by several centuries. And this isn't ever really brought up when discussion the animosity between the two cultures.

What gets brought up is nearly always that the Mandalorians are the historical allies of the Sith. Which doesn't make sense! If the Sith and Mando'ade were allies, the Force-Sensitive younglings given up for training would never have gone to the Jedi like Master Vizsla was. They would all be given up to the Sith! But let's relax and backtrack even farther. Given that there is a "historical' allyship between the Mando'ade and the Sith, they must have fought on the same side of the Sith Wars for a while. But Master Vizsla having been a Master of the Order by the end of the Sith Wars and then going on to become Mand'alor means that at some point in there, that changed.

My best guess is that before Master Vizsla came in, there was no real leader of all the Mandalorian clans. Instead, like how the Sith had no real leadership, they all just kinda hung around various Sith and allied with them specifically. But the Sith had infighting. So much infighting. To the point that it is often listed as the true cause of the end of the Sith. Thus, it would not at all surprise me to find that the Sith were using the Mando'ade in their plots against each other like Pong Krell with the 212th and 501st.

And on top of that, the Mando'ade know war. Their language is kinda built around it. Like, the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? They have a word for that. "Narudar," meaning a temporary allyship to defeat a common enemy. Both sides in this are very aware that the allyship is temporary, but can trust each other to not stab them in the back until the third party is dealt with. The Jedi of this time also know war, but as Force-sensitives (which by default have a larger blast radius if something goes wrong), they don't have this concept. For Force-sensitives in the Sith War, if someone becomes their enemy, there is no trust. They could not trust one Sith to help them, even to defeat another Sith. To them, any of their enemies coming to them proposing a temporary alliance to defeat someone else could never be anything but a trap. For the enemy to be one they know to be allied with the Sith? There could never be the prerequisite trust for narudar to work. They would turn the Mando'ade away.

Something else to remember is that the whole 1 padawan per Master, no-attachment, no public offices for Jedi, and no military offices for Jedi rules only came along with the Ruusan Reformation, which hadn't come into play yet. The Jedi had their own ways of dealing with things, their own definitions of words, their own associations with concepts. None of those would match the Mando'ade OR the Jedi Order we see in the Prequels or TCW. This is so far before that as to be nearly unrecognizable.

So in thinking of all this, and trying to put together a semblance of timeline for a fanfic idea, I began writing my thoughts and came up with the following:

1033 BBY: The Mondo’ad clans were following various Sith as allies against the Jedi and the Army of Light. They have grievances against the Jedi Order, and the Sith swore to help them resolve it, and to work as allies, partners, in this fight and those following. In actuality, the grievances the Mando’ade hold are half-rooted in misunderstandings. The Sith betrayed the Mando’ade (ala Pong Krell). They pulled out of the war. The lies and losses were enough to cultivate hate for the Sith in the hearts of Mando’ade regardless of clan. They begin their hunt. 

Do not mistake me, the Jedi were no friends of theirs, but narudar was possible. At first, the Jedi refused. Too long had they seen Mandalorians at the side of the Sith to trust easily. The Jedi do not have a concept of narudar. They knew the Light, and the Dark, and the difficult path that must be taken to come back, or die. 

(It is a difficult question to ask: when is a genocide justified. The Jedi did not ask it this day, nor any prior. Nor, I’m afraid, was it asked any day after. These were their Enemies, after all, and it is among the oldest laws of instinct that you did not suffer your Enemies to live. Regardless, the Jedi and Sith fought, and died, and fought, and the conflict seemed unending. Don’t think about how their cultures are fundamentally entwined. Don’t think about how at each turn they seemed destined to lock horns. Don’t think about how the Jedi preach emotional control in what likely started as an attempt to deprive the Sith of one more weapon. Don’t think about how the Sith Code preaches Freedom as its core goal. Don’t think of how the Force needs balance like a human needs air. Don’t think about what the galaxy looked like when the Sith weren’t there to provide the needed darkness. Don’t think about how the very first Sith was likely once a Je’daii. Don’t think of the depths of despair and hatred the captive, enslaved Force-sensitive that would become the Sith was subjected to. Don’t think of them coming home to the other Je’daii and being reviled as corruption, wrong, disgust. Don’t think of their family looking at them, afraid, before raising their weapons to kill them. Don’t think of how this millennia-long conflict likely started from an act of fear. Don’t think about how the Je’daii would regret, and strive to never act in this fear again. Don’t think, child. This is us, and this is them, and we do not think of how we are family, love. We are Enemies, they have killed us, and we kill them ‘lest they do it again. Do not think, child. Fight.) 

Regardless, to the Jedi of the day, no doubt the Mandalorians seemed Dark. They could not know different, no… Beskar muffles the force. They turned the Mando’ade away. This does not stop them from fighting — only stopped them from fighting together. Mando’ade-born and newly knighted Tarre Vizsla did not refuse those of his brethren that wished to fight with him. He gained allies this way, and formed many bonds of friendship. Remember, the Jedi of that day were not yet under the Ruusaan Reformation. This was not forbidden, only cautioned against. It is not the attachment that caused the Fall, but the fear of losing it. Emotion, yet peace. This was war. Let the bonds steady you. 

The friends he made here would be instrumental later, when Tarre Vizsla sought to unite his people as his visions bid. On that front, and some nearby, they fought together.

1032 BBY: The Sith Wars end, the Republic is formed, the Army of Light disbanded, and the Ruusan Reformation instituted. The Sith are thought to be by and large gone.

1031 BBY: Master Tarre Vizsla leaves the Jedi to go to Mandalore. The Force has told him his place from here on out is not among the Order, nut rather leading his birth people. He goes to unite the clans, as he had seen in his visions.

1022 BBY: Tarre becomes Mand'alor.

[drydak]

people will get so up in arms about the plot of a show that hasn't even released. what are you all talking about the thing you're mad at exists only in your mind.....

[reconstructwriter]

Star Wars Historians

Can you imagine being a historian in Star Wars post-canon – like centuries/millennia later when all of history is divided into pre-*That Asshole and post-*That Asshole.

If you’re studying post-Asshole there’s lovely records, descendants carefully preserving family oral history, beautifully preserved monuments, and handy-dandy time capsules and all the evidence you could ever want!

Pre-Asshole is excavating the giant crater for any scrap of evidence – a pottery shard would be lovely – whether it was a city or a temple or a random patch of grassland. Or Empire Propaganda, which has evidence of being re-written at least 100 times in its 19 to 53(?) year history.

*That Asshole was known as the following: Supreme Leader, Palpatine, Emperor, Sidious, Sith, Lord, Sheev, Chancellor, Master, Sido-Dyas and Snoke. Knowing him? Had all the titles at once.

[how-a-potato]

ok idk why but i can’t get it out of my head, Star Wars Au idea:

an au where Ahsoka becomes some force sensitive master that like hides in the mist and shadows and trains force sensitive mandalorians. Like it could b at any stage(like age wise) but it’ll mostly be the parents/finders wanting to protect their foundlings/kin by teaching them to use their weird abilities. So they go and track down this elusive jedi/not-jedi to ask if she’ll train their younglings.

Just Ahsoka being some old master training some little helmet clad younglings seems neat to me:)

[dirjoh-blog]

Jedi in WW2-"These are not the soldiers you are looking for”

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[hiddenbeks]

so many thoughts abt how schewpid the jedi council is in kotor but also not sure if i should write abt any of them before i finish the game because it's entirely possible that i'm still missing some critical information,

[askshivanulegacy]

AGREE.

Anyone saying the EU stuff is anti-Jedi straight up doesn't know what they're talking about.

The EU stuff literally made you.

what i think is sometimes overlooked or missed entirely about the old republic (more specifically, the old sith wars era) is like. old republic jedi were not peacekeepers the way golden age (prequel) jedi were peacekeepers. old republic jedi were esoteric warrior monks and they acted like it. tales of the jedi (the comic run), ft. all the shit about exar kun, the last major player in the galaxy before the start of knights of the old republic (everything in kotor is his fault and i stand by it) came out in the early 90's, back when the only concept of what a jedi was shaped by obi-wan and yoda in the original trilogy. aka people shaped their idea of what the jedi was partially based off of a guy whose idea of conflict de-escalation was mind control and dismemberment. they were the good guys, yeah, but in a 'don't make me come back there' kind of way. and they had to be, because unlike in the golden age, some sith asshole was rearing its head up every generation or so and trying to tear the galaxy asunder and shit. in swtor they're at war with a sith empire for almost three decades. it was a different jedi order back then is what im tryin' to say. and if you don't see that and appreciate it for being what it is, just?? stay out of the old republic??

[valenteal]

Val’s History of the Jedi Part 3!

With the true Sith Empire hidden deep within the unknown regions (and not coming out for a while) we return our attention to the Jedi and their own internal struggles. For this part I’ll cover everything until the Mandalorian Wars.

Now this gets kinda complicated so get ready for a wild ride.

Six hundred years after the Great Hyperspace War in 4400 BBY Freedon Nadd, a former Jedi Padawan trained on Ossus who had renounced the Order and killed his master, before going to the heart of the Old Sith Empire seeking power, met Naga Sadow while exploring Yavin 4, where the man had spent his life after the Great Hyperspace War building massive temple complexes (the buildings the rebel alliance would call home five thousand years later in the original trilogy) and practicing his Sith Alchemy before eventually placing himself in suspended animation. After Nadd awoke the Dark Lord, Sadow took Nadd on as an apprentice and taught him the ways of the dark side, believing that together they would lead the Sith into a new golden age. Unfortunately for Sadow, Nadd did the same thing he’d done before, killed his master before going off on his own to attain more power, though this time he sought political power rather than Force power.

Deciding that he wanted a planet to call his own, Nadd used his considerable power in Sith Sorcery to conquer the planet Onderon, which he ruled over as king for over a hundred years. Once word of his rule over Onderon reached the Jedi they sent a team to kill Nadd, thinking this would end the threat. It did not.

The thing about Sith Lords is this: unlike Jedi who need to find complete harmony with the Force and understanding of themselves to retain their consciousness after death, Sith can do it much more easily using only spite and ego. It’s why their tomb world, Korriban, is so holy and also incredibly haunted. There’s one class storyline in SWTOR where you go around absorbing a ton of force ghosts of powerful Sith Lords from around the galaxy to get more powerful and it’s a wild ride. Also my favorite class to play.

Anyway, Freedon Nadd is dead. But his spirit lives on and his tomb is a focal point for dark side energy and his descendants are constantly going to him to learn Sith Sorcery and basically Onderon is still ruled by the Sith and the Jedi have no fuckin clue.

Leaving Onderon to stew in the dark side for a while, we go check in on the Jedi once again, only to find that, oh no! The Third Great Schism (never coulda seen that coming) has erupted in the 4250 BBY, only a century and a half after Nadd’s fall. Admittedly this Great Schism has less lasting consequences as the Dark Jedi were forced to flee and later annihilated themselves and the entire star system they were in, the Vultar System, trying to harness the power of an ancient device known as the Cosmic Turbine that was left behind by the Celestials after they retreated to Mortis.

Fast forward to 4000 BBY, and yet another team of Jedi are sent to Onderon, this time to settle the ongoing conflict known as the Beast Wars, which Nadd began during his reign. It’s this nearly never ending war between the Beast-Riders of the Jungle and the People of the Capital City of Iziz. Nomads vs civilized society basically. The Onderon arc in Clone Wars nods to it. Anyway. This time the Jedi sent are all Padawans, Ulic Qel-Droma, Cay Qel-Droma, and Tott Doneeta, apprenticed to Jedi Master Arca Jeth. The Padawans discover that the Onderon royal family are practitioners of the dark side and the Princess Galia was staring in “Romeo and Juliet but make it Star Wars” with the Beast-Rider leader, Oron Kira.

There’s drama, the Jedi Master who sent his Padawans into the mess, Arca Jeth, swooped in and saved the day, Galia and Oron ascended to the throne, the evil Queen Amanoa was defeated, the end!

Except it wasn’t over, because the Queen’s husband and Nadd’s decent and former pupil, Ommin was still alive, though retired. He managed to rally an NEW Naddist army, steal his wife’s remains and Nadd’s sarcophagus AND capture Master Jeth. Of course this only prompts the Republic and the Jedi to send more reinforcements who eventually overthrew Ommin, but not before Nadd gave two visiting nobles the spell books, artifacts, and Sith swords that they could use to learn the secrets of the Dark Side. Those nobles, Aleema Keto and Satal Keto, escaped back to their home system of Empress Teta.

Now, the Jedi learned their lesson this time, and sealed Nadd, Amanoa, and Ommin in a heavily fortified tomb on Onderon’s fourth moon, Dxun. Unfortunately for them, Nadd was still able to manifest outside the tomb wherever his former belongings ended up. So he left to teach the Keto cousins much about Sith Sorcery and leading them to create the Krath Cult. The Jedi had also, foolishly, brought some of the artifacts back to Ossus, allowing Nadd to appear before Padawan Ulic Qel-Droma to sow seeds of self doubt by prophesying his fall. When Ulic Qel-Droma, his master, and the other two Padawans are sent to Empress Teta to stop the growing Krath Cult Nadd’s prediction comes true after the death of Arca Jeth pushes Ulic to pursue vengeance by infiltrating the Krath Cult, is seduced by Aleema Keto, and eventually kills Lord Satal Keto and taking his place at Aleema Keto’s side.

During this, another young Jedi named Exar Kun grows curious and abandons his training in search of Nadd’s teachings. Proving Nadd’s tomb on Dxun not nearly as impenetrable as it was supposed to be, Kun meets Nadd’s spirit and learns from him, before finally, finally, killing the guy for good. Course then he heads to Yavin 4 to acquire more power just as Nadd had, before going to Empress Teta to defeat his potential rival, Ulic Qel-Droma. When the two duel they are stopped by the spirit of Marka Ragnos, just as Sadow was when first facing Ludo Kressh. Ragnos anoints both Kun and Qel-Droma Dark Lords of the Sith and bids them work together to restore the glory of the Sith. Thus the Great Sith War begins, lead by Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma, calling themselves the Brotherhood of the Sith.

I’m not going to go into every battle, it’s called the Great Sith War for a reason and all the details exist as the story was told in its entirety in comics. But suffice it to say that the war was devastating, the Sith and the Mandalorians ally after Qel-Droma defeated Mandalore the Indomitable, they conquered many planets, Qel-Droma was captured and returned to the light after he and his forces made it all the way to Coruscant before being routed. Mandalore the Indomitable was defeated on Dxun, and Exar Kun performed a ritual to sever his spirit from his body so the Republic and the Jedi would think him dead, intending to continue wreaking havoc across the galaxy, but only succeeded in trapping himself on Yavin 4.

In the end the Jedi and the republic won, but not without heavy losses. The Brotherhood of the Sith had succeeded in turning a fair few Jedi AND had caused a Supernova that devastated Ossus and forced the Jedi to relocate their main stronghold to Coruscant, as well as destroying all the records that had been kept there. (Kun did manage to snag some treasure before the energy blast got to Ossus and while the Jedi were panicking and evacuating.)

Anyway, moral of the story is: make sure your Sith are fully dead. Their ghosts can be more trouble than they were in life. Also… Marka Ragnos really likes interfering in duel from beyond the grave. Also also, there’s gotta be something wrong with the Jedi teachings if their best students keep falling so easily. I didn’t mention this earlier, but Freedon Nadd was actually a model Jedi and an absolute prodigy before the Jedi gave him a stupid hidden test that like basically shattered his confidence and trust in them. Seriously, the Jedi make all their own worst enemies. Really the Sith Empire would have 0 beef with the Jedi or the republic if the Jedi from the Second Great Schism didn’t come in and take over. And like, if they knew anything about mental health or did psychological testing before training people then a psychopath like Exar Kun never would’ve gotten so much power! Anyway, I digress. Next time I’ll be going over the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War and do a brief overview of the Sith Civil War as well, so basically KOTOR 1 and 2. I already answered an ask about the Mandalorian Wars but I focused on the Mandalorian side so this time I’ll focus on the Jedi side.

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It just bums me out how much of SW fandom clearly doesn’t appreciate the levels of magnificent bastardy that Palpatine achieved as a villain when they bitch about so much being the Jedi Order’s fault. As if the Jedi should have just looked harder under some couch cushions and then they would have found the solid evidence they could use to go after him and the Senate.

Palpatine was too smart for that! No Sith lord had ever aimed so high and achieved so much, and he only did it by playing a long game that started before Anakin was even born. People have to understand that when Dooku tells Obi-Wan that a Sith controls the Senate, that’s hard for him to believe because it is absolutely ridiculous and hard to believe! The Jedi don’t understand why the dark side clouds their awareness because the Sith have become masterful at hiding their presence, which was not the case throughout known history. It would truly be like hearing that Biden’s administration actually are all Satanists who traffic and eat children. Palpatine’s extremely powerful and cunning and unlike anything they’re used to dealing with, otherwise they might seriously consider that Sidious could have accomplished this without the Jedi having any idea. And where do you even begin investigating such a thing when it’s been covered up so well?

The Jedi were always gonna be outmatched against someone like Sidious because a Sith’s whole thing is amassing wealth, influence, and power, and Sidious was probably the best there ever was at it. The Jedi are the opposite, they’re not meant to have those things, and Sidious ended up with too much control of the government for them to have any real power to act. (Probably even if they had complete knowledge of everything, which they never did.) It makes sense that just a couple Sith can bring “imbalance” to the Force when you consider that the use of the dark side is inherently an imbalance of power and a destructive influence in the world this way.

You don’t have to scapegoat anyone else. Palpatine needed his apprentice and other pawns to move around but he really did almost all of it himself. He worked so hard and deserves the hate for his efforts, he really was that bad. :(