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ganondoodle · 11 days ago

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no one asked about my interpretation of tenna, spamton or their relationship but im writing it anyway- (haha long post of rambling)

(disclaimer! this i my own view on things based on what i know and feel about it etc. im not judging anyone for how they see it; i do like this ship, characters and the game as a whole (obviously??), im here to have some fun, i dont care enough to debate about who is more "correct" or whatever. these are my current thoughts that can change any minute and im not like .. cemented into, this isnt a religion lol, also not trying to "excuse" anything, i just like to think about the reasons for things, okay? okay :)

i made a post talking about tenna before so i will be repeating some things of that but i have wayy more to say since then;

Tenna: i honestly think its pretty hard to make any sort of 'clear judgement' on tennas character, mainly bc what we see of him is 1. him quite literally trying to not die and 2. we rarely, if ever, see him without the fun gang around and if so its still under the pressure of point 1. (as in im sure he acts differently around teens he wants to entertain and also needs to keep distracted at all costs .. while also still under the threat of literally dying)

when you meet him hes already barely holding it together, the entire chapter is essentially watching him spiral further and further; hes barely been used at all in years, so little the TV was unplugged as a whole and we dont know what that means for a darkner like him, we can infer that its not a good feeling at the very LEAST given how afraid he is kris will do it again (and implying they threatened him with it in some form too; still dont know if the deal with kris and the knight is the same one) he even admits hes been alone for a while (though i do think hes downplaying it) and the others in the TVworld dont appear to be very fond of him (like ramb saying "well i guess SOMEONE has to appreciate him" when you tell him the games are fun …) though i can absolutely see it coming from the whole downwards spiral starting wayy before you even meet him, i dont think it has to mean that hes always been shitty to others (do any of them even know about the deal?? if not it must look like hes literally lost it..) the second he turns against his deal with the knight (which was that if he did what he was told he would get an audience again, which is pretty impossible to say no to given how deprived hes been of doing what hes made for, especially if the other option is death, whether that is by being literally killed by them or thrown away to slowly die somewhere else- he knows toriel is planning to throw him out and even does it when he survives .. but if he dies she keeps him?? in the house???) he gets cut to pieces by them (even if you do all nice things susie says that they had to search for him and when they found him he was barely alive anymore ..)

the entire time hes under the direct threat of death (and/or being unplugged which would eventually also result in death im sure) after already suffering from abandonment issues (spamton??), loneliness and a deep fear of growing obsolete- which .. i dont think is how you get to show your true nature, rather obviously id say it pushes you to do extreme things you would not have done otherwise (he shows regret about it too in the secret sword game dialog); personally i dont see him as all that manipulative either, i mean, keeping the fun gang busy is literally the deal (even if hes having fun doing it at first) and idk what the knight was doing but they sure took their sweet time bc tenna has to scramble and try to keep it going longer and longer losing everything more and more as it goes on, desperately trying to keep the act up no matter what, in the end you push him to the literal brink, when he has nothing left at all, and only then he actively fights the gang as the last attempt to survive/keep his part of the deal (man what a great set up tbh, the mix of his utter desperation while also trying so hard to keep his whole act going qwq)

(also until then he also doesnt do anything against the other darkners, like, they ignore whatever contract he set up, everyone leaves him behind, they steal everything from right in front of him and he doesnt do anything against them but complain a little and then try to act as if he doesnt care ..)

tenna and spamton: this is how i (currently) think about their relationship; i dont think either of them actually hated the other at any point despite the shit they talk about the other, i think the shit talk is superficial, its an act to try and make themselves believe they never cared, when they both did and still do, deep in denial and to position themselves above the other, above it all- tenna constantly brings spamton up, often to shit talk him and make himself look better yes, but to me its another case of lying to himself all the while making sure everyone else believes it too, he needs everyone to know that he never cared, how could he! look how much he hates him!! if everyone believes it maybe he can believe it too!! wait wha- sometimes he genuinely seems to forget hes supposed to "hate" anythign regarding spamton (like the mailroom? why is he reacting like that unless he forgot spamton isnt there), nevermind that bringing him up this much is weird if he actually hated him in the first place (usually you would try to ingore and forget people you hate no?), hes comparing himself to him, likely bc of his still persistent idea that spamton embodies the future and new technology which is somethign he sees as a threat to him, playing into his fear of growing obsolete and ever since spamtons gone there no one to really give him any sort of feeling of security in that regard, theres no one willing to "teach him technology" (which, if taken at face value is so .. cute? it sounds like a genuine offer- ... though i also like the idea of it being a bad pickup line that went utterly over tennas head), of course he would start spiraling into paranoia etc

now then, theres the dialog where he recounts the events that separated them, and i think this too is mostly tenna lying to himself mixed in with telling it truthfully, the whole thing about the "sweet talk"? haha he never actually flirted with the guy, he totally never cared! he was just using him! obviously it was his genius scheme! haha ..haha ..... hm. the thing about signing a deal? deals are more spamtons thing anyway arent they? maybe, just maybe it wasnt like that at all either, what if spamton genuinely felt secure enough with him to actually tell him, and now hes trying to make the whole 'i was totally only using him heehoo' seem more believable, what would that all be for unless he trapped him in some kind of contract! obviously that was the goal haha! hes totally not hurt so deeply he needs to reivent himself as some kind of master manipulator in retrospect!! and then the phone rings, and whatever is said to spamton is so horrifying that he takes off and runs away

(which really begs the question WHAT it was, being told he needs to cut all contact with tenna or he loses his status cant be it bc he lost it anyway, the prophecy bit? idk, not as in if he stays it will cause it but he cant bear to see it play out? possible? he loses his status now that he went against his deal with *telephone guy* by nearly telling someone else and his insecurity about tenna only wanting him as a bigshot tm got the better of him? another play at this instead? like being told hey this guy you love doesnt actually and is just trying to steal everything you now have, no one can genuinely care about you? something else that was horrible enough to make him literally drop everythign and run? all believable imo)

that was a genuine retelling i think, though i feel a little weird that tenna picking up the phone instead of going after him is seen as .. weird of tenna? bc really if your partner was about to tell you a secret and then the phone rings and the call makes them run away immediately without even putting the thing back? i think its perfectly reasonable to pick it up to see what the hell is going on there- but then him saying he picked it up bc he thought it was his chance to take his place? i say thats a lie again! why? well if that scene jsut played out ... who, even if we bought into his ooh master manipulator persona, would pick up a phone call that made the guy you were about to rip off (somehow??) run away without a word thinking that it would be his turn? maybe its jsut me but thats so??? who would believe they would get hired if they continue on the same phone call the other guy was threatened with hoping for anythign good? it doesnt make any sense to me we dont know how fast spamton can leave darkworlds but given hes spam mail id say its pretty quickly, would tenna even had the chance to go after him at all? nevertheless it would be to late even if he checked the phone only briefly im sure

and then he goes back to "woah he totally ripped me off" which sound like a very flat lie to me again, hes not hurt or mad his partners gone like that, no no no, hes mad bc he got ripped off!! yeah!! the line of ".....i wish they never brought that laptop home....." is a pretty .. heavy line i think, especially with those pauses, thats not really how i would think someone that got scammed would put it imo, its a half hearted wish they never met bc then he wouldnt still be hurting.

and you might say 'but he says that thinking hes all alone hidden in a game version no one is supposed to be able to get into, why would he lie even then??' ... yeah. why would he lie to himself like that even when he thinks hes all alone in a hidden area in a game no one should have access to? why would he hide himself in the most lonely corner of this dark world recounting the event that lead to this breakup, changing it up so hes is not being deeply hurt and confused, just ripped off, just had this deal he masterfully pulled along fail. yeah. why. obvisouly, the guy never cared in the first place, and neither did he. totally.

(it gets even worse when i take my hc into account that tenna is very much in the closet/in denial about his sexuality too, i think that idea fits very well bc hes stuck in the past and needs to perform well in order to keep his audience etc, so if spamton came along and they formed such a close bond only for it to be ripped away just like that, without knowing any sort of definitive reason? he would try to bury all of it even more behind a fake persona no? he cant let himself be seen as anything off center, he cant accept that he felt like that about someone, oh how stupid to allow himself to fall like that in the first place, no one would like him like that anyway)

(i honestly dont quite know waht to make of the pipis scene in reagrds to tenna though, just that that it might have been the worst moment for spamton to try and come back and talk since like ... tennas quite literally losing every single thing, losing all control over anything while still being under that deals pressure)

spamton:

i dont have all that much to say about him, in part bc im very sure he is gonna play a role again, theres much unknown i think, and uuh ... im not smart enough to analyze all of deltarune .... hes been, im pretty sure, a loner right? the black sheep of the addisons until the phone guy somehow gives him the ability/knowledge to make it big, and everyone resents him for it, and after his fall hes really just a punching bag living in the literal dumpster, he too is at his lowest when you meet him too (isnt that poetic .. both tenna and spamton are at their worst and lowest in their life when you first meet..), clawing for survival and freedom in his case too, even if he was a prick his whole life thats not somethign he deserves imo, idk i feel very bad for him tbh and dont find him all that weird or off putting, theres so much we just .. dont know, but what we do know is pretty terrifying- just like tenna i think hes playing a persona whenever talking about him, obviously tenna never cared about him, he was just trying to rip him off, to get his secret out of him and steal it alllllll- just like everyone else, who would genuinely care about him after all!!! and then when he sees undeniable proof that he did care- immediately tries to talk to him even after all this time, though choosing possibly the worst moment possible for that, and after being 'rejected' swears to not try it ever again, like, as much as a joke that scene is that kinda hurts,,, just a little bit, but if you learn anything from this its that .... well he doesnt hate tenna all that much huh, maybe not at all, not saying there is no bitterness or something oh absolutely not but its just so .......................... perfectly mirroring each other, tragically so but also ... oof (which once again leads me to question what the hell was said in that phone call...)

i cant really subscribe to the idea that, sicne spamton is spam-mail, all he can do and wants to do is scam people, bc i feel thats kind of .. against the point? darkners arent supposed to feel things, they arent supposed to do thigns they arent meant to, but they still do, and spamton especially, i think, wants to break free from it all, thats his entire thing isnt it? at the lowest of lows to try and break free no matter the cost- and then realizing he cant be free on his own, being cut down and then gives up to try and help the fun gang instead (the end of the neo fight haunts me)

(sidenote here, i .. dont know how exactly his speech quirk works but like, at the end of the fight he talks to you in lowercase and normally doesnt he? hes not fully incapable of talking normally then- unless that was someone else talking through him (like in his shop when i guess dess calls for help? and he says that someone was talking to you??) pretending to be him ... which is a terrifying thought ngl ...)

(also realyl like the idea of him being just email at the start, but as the internet progresses he gets corrupted and turned from soemthing no one knew to something people liked/success to being treated like trash, bc thats how you treat spam, you are disgusted by it and throw it away, annoyed! put off!!! but maybe he wasnt always, maybe .. he doesnt want to be ... )

i mean they still share phrases to the point you cant tell who got it from who, their themes are basically conjoined at the hips man okay i am so normal for typign all this nonsense over the course of hours late at night getting less coherent with each word written and somehow losing the points i was trying to make ...

either way, i think, despite everything, it is still them.

#ganondoodles talks #deltarune #tenna #spamton #spamtenna #long post #LONG POST #hello new followers have you had a taste of my incoherent likely stupidly wrong rants and ramblings yet?#here you go :)#i dont know what im doing tbh #feel free to ingore im gonna look real stupid once the new chapters come out and literally all of this is wrong fjkfndjkn #idk man i just .... dont actually think they were all that toxic to each other okay #i like .... when things work out- obviously i love making it complicated too .... but actively toxic idk #once again not judging #but idk i never got the vibe from either of them that they really do hate each other and are both shitty people at the core #... my zelda comic is literally all about two deities fighting each other and seemingly hating each other bc the gods set everything up-#-so they would hate and kill each other- but they realize they are being played with and try to stand up against the gods instead..#............................................... wow okay written like that it sounds so fukcing stupid #never writing aynthign ever again i need to stick to talking in pictures djhbfdjbfdjbfsnkda #goodnight ..............................#i am sleep deprived.#...debated leaving this to die in my drafts but i am overly tired and exhausted so i make bad decisions i regret tomorrow #throwing it into the face of everyone whos currently awake only to go 'nooooo dont look at itttt its embarrassing and crrriiinge'#what a way to weird out anyone new here haha am i right folks #...this is about a tv and fuckign spam mail i want to die....

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