#i cannot draw foreshortening

[xaly-na]

Sorry it's a bit late😢 i procrastinated but i hope you like it @mari-thepreppyoncie72 !!

I decided to draw your swag cosplay!!

[strixcattus]

Valentine set II: The Damsel

[i-llbehere]

[sanctus-ingenium]

Hello so I heve a rather personal question as an artist. So when I draw and create art no matter how much I like it after it's done i'm not satisfied with it and I see every little detail that's off or every mistake. No one else see it. So my question is do you get that feeling too? How do you get rid of it? Or do you just embrace it and ignore the things that tip you off?

you cannot draw something in a way that removes its most essential and valuable feature: the fact that you drew it. that's why when you look at it, you have x-ray vision and you can see every brush stroke you fucked up and how the sketch was better but you could never capture it and how the foreshortening is wrong etc. because you drew it. it will never go away no matter how good you get because you can never outrun the fact that you made it. that's a good thing btw

[art-tnt]

It's may be an odd question but do you think you could maybe post a couple tips of anatomy and/or proportion that helped you sometime? I notice I have a hard time learning from videos or guides, but sometimes when I learn on my own or hear someone else's personal experience it just clicks and it's nice.

I know this may sound strange, but for me it was a class I took with Matt Faulkner, who had a very refreshing approach to mark making and drawing from life. We did have a live model, and drawing people from life teaches you two important things that books cannot: textbook anatomy is idealized, not everybody will look like that and foreshortening and perspective are things that are easier to see in person (at least, for me they were).

As you draw things like that over and over, you will build a mental library that will help you draw those tougher perspectives from imagination. I still use a reference, because the human body can bend and distort in a lot of ways and I am nowhere near having all of that memorized, and WE DON’T HAVE TO! If it gets committed to memory, great! But artists should never feel shame from using a reference because that is how we learn and that is how we improve. Even professionals use a reference.

The mark making that Matt taught us was a little different than some of the other classes I had been through in the past. I typically would draw a human with basic shapes and a “wire-frame” skeleton for my foundational rough sketch, but Matt would have us start drawing our figures with different lines. Contour lines, is just drawing the outside of what you’re observing, while periodically flashing your eyes at the paper. Blind contour would have us looking only at our subject and drawing what we were seeing without ever picking up the pencil (some of these actually turn out pretty cool).

Volumetric drawing was the one that I had never come across before. Matt uses a lot of crosshatching and volume lines in his work. See the below example:

The way this applies to anatomy is that his way of volumetric drawing is helpful in finding the space that your figure takes up. Sometimes Matt would have us draw our figure with ONLY volumetric lines. It would look like a tornado person, but this practice wasn’t to make something visually appealing, it was to help us train our brain and our eyes to see the volume. In that volumetric study we would be wrapping lines in a width and curvature that followed the subject. Here is a visual example of a volumetric drawing by Monika Zagrobelna that shows what I mean:

The volumetric drawing helps to grasp how much space something takes up, whereas the wire-frame doesn’t really convey that kind of information. A lot of people reference the Andrew Loomis books and Figure Drawing For All It’s Worth [ISBN: 978-0857680983] is a good resource to learn from. But Loomis does idealize the standard figures in his works and books. I am not saying don’t draw like him! There is nothing wrong with his style! Just don’t fall into the assumption that every body type will align exactly with the proportions and measurements that he covers. For example, he usually has a standard height that male and female figures are drawn at and certain points where knees are expected to reach and other body part milestones:

It is a guideline, and it is useful, but I found that the best exercise that you can do is to do a study on separate pages. No one taught me this, I just did it out of curiosity to see how it would go. Set one aside for male and one for female. First, draw your standard Loomis figure, then get five other male/female reference photos (or drawn from life if you can) of people with different body types. Try drawing them from observation and see how much of the Loomis concept applies to them. You’ll find that you can bend a lot of the Loomis ideas to fit, but you have to throw out some things entirely in order to accurately portray your subject (like the number of heads tall something has to be, or posture, for example).

Hopefully, despite that being a little long-winded of me, you found this experience helpful? Everyone learns differently, so I feel your struggle. I am a big visual learner and need to see what is happening with something to understand it. I also learn best by struggling. So what were the “aha” moments for me, may not necessarily work for another, but it is here if you can find any value or use in it.

[adaze-4d4z3]

Ae Cha, my dumbass and horrifically insecure Erissona yayyy!!!

Red text: HOLY #@!* LOUD LOUD BRIGHT AS HELL LOUD LOUD

Blue text: I DON’T WANNA DRINK THIS… AAAAAAAA WHY AM I LIKE THIS

Ramblings about my girlie under cut :^ (it’s long like really fucking long how tf did I write this much)

Gender/sexuality

Demigirl (She/They)

Omniromantic (fem pref)

Aceflux, either no attraction w/ disgust or way too needy (Usually the former)

Studies

Fine arts major

Psychology minor

Theme songs (the question marks are a kind of)

Imperial Blue (R sound design)

Abbey (Mitski)

IMAWANOKIWA (Iyowa) (?)

Egoist (Oonuma Paseri)

Bathtub Mermaid (Mili)

Between Two Worlds (Mili) (?)

Doku Shite Choudai (Nakiso)

Yellow (Yoh Kamiyama)

Laplace's Angel (Will Wood)

Kimi Wo Yoru Kore (Fullkawa Honpo)

People Eater (Sodikken)

You Smell of Dead Flowers (vslush)

Appearance

155cm, aka 5'0, insists she's 5'1 though. (She's close enough cmon.)

Long black/really dark brown wavy/curly hair mostly slightly wavy some parts just curl for no good reason. Dyed undercolour hair, it fades quick so the colour changes between different light blues, teal, lavender and light pinks. She kind of sucks at dying it though.

Dark eyes like really dark brown

Pale/normal? skin, her feet are ungodly pale compared to the rest of her though lol. (Tan lines make me suffer) Dark circles, girl has a shit sleep schedule.

She's near-sighted but not as bad that she has to wear her glasses all the time, she just usually does because it's a hassle to keep putting it on and off. The prescription is actually pretty light.

Small ass hands and feet. It's baby. Like really fucking small hands. (This is a curse that I'll give to every oc even slightly somewhat based off me) Painted nails black, it's chipped and not that great. No pedicure though.

Their ears aren't pierced! It's clip ons, that's why she had a spare to give Milo :> (Girl CANNOT sleep with them in)

Her face is a little scarred due to skin picking problems that still persists. The skin around her nails suffer as well. Will make every hangnail bleed. Panicks every time it happens. Will also bite the skin around their nails, they ended up kind of tough because of that. It gets worse when she's bored or nervous. (She just eats the skin she bites off.)

Give her gum and that'll be fixed but she never has any on hand.

Random facts :>

Korean-Australian, but like 1/4 Aussie, (one full korean parent one half aus half korean one) but lived there most of her life rather than South Korea. Can't read or write the language except her name but listening and speaking is fine. (Conversational, she'll die inside if the words get too big)

Has a license for serving alcohol. (Well in Aus anyway) From a hospitality course she was in during high school. (She did it for fun)

Hates drawing backgrounds. Hates studying anatomy too but hey, prefers drawing people so back to anatomy studies it is. (She cries every time the foreshortening looks wrong.)

Can't animate for shit.

Probably draws Milo for the anatomy studies and dies inside because she just drew a naked Milo. Bro ain't living that down. Will do it again. Then regret it again.

Can play the piano, cries because she can't even play a full ocatave without pressing others keys. Learnt to sing as well- participated in choir as a soprano. Has a pretty straight voice. Can't roll r for any reason. Sucks because half the songs she knows would sound better with rolling rs. Can sing operas really well. (That’s how she was taught to sing after all) Her normal voice is kinda low though.

Loud noise/ yelling overstimulates her. Texture can also become a problem sometimes. Doesn't like being watched but she'll endure it for a perfect love :')

Weirdly good at giving good relationship advice, well she knows the one she wants is bad so she has to know what's good first.

Therapist friend. Half the gossip she knows comes from that.

Definitely the family dissapointment and gay cousin.

Gacha gamer- PRAY for their wallet.

Favourite flowers are rhododendrons

Favourite colours are lavender and rose gold

Will curse you out in Korean and have the person just confused but intimidated. Busan accent coming in handy :>

Ambidextrous, but her right hand is still technically better.

Important-ish things for why she's Fucked Up!!!!! :D

Emotionally neglected to some degree. Her parents cared about academic results and bragging about her. Was a very 'gifted' child, grades dropping at higher grades but still well, A/B student. Not good enough for her parents though.

So she's learnt that love is earned. So she tried but she just couldn't. Sacrificed her sleep to do the things she liked as more and more of her time was dedicated to study. That's why her current sleep schedule is fucked :>

She couldn't really handle the expectations so she chose the uni the game takes place in, it's pretty far from her parents. Just to try and do what she wants for once.

They couldn't go to their parents for support usually so they tried relying on friends. Only to be dragged into messes of friendship dramas after the other. Rather neglected and unwanted in the groups themselves. Got bullied too without much support in those times. Ending up alone over and over.

This kind of cemented her in her eyes as someone unwanted. So she had to make someone stay with her. She could tell she was lonely.

Unfortunate dating sim enjoyer now with ideals of love tries to date normally. However she can never get them to stay.

Worsening mindset yay!!!

She knows what bad relationships look like and tries to seek codependent ones out. Dating worse and worse people and trying to change them so they might just stay with them a little longer.

Toxic idiot can't do it properly. No one stays for longer than ~3-5 months.

So she changes herself. Practising in the mirror. (Bro ain't confidant usually!!! Acting man acting!) She has pent up anger inside of her she used to become stronger. Did her best to conquer her introverted nature and absolutely shit social skills to manipulate others. She doesn't even like what she's doing at all. Finds stalking others and getting information annoying and exhausting. She's not that strong either, has goddamn no arm strength. (She'll beat you with a shoe tho in true East Asian parent fashion lmao) Dislikes conflict too.

She learns how a perfect love for her might act. Even if she never wants to do the things herself.

It hurts them to do what she's doing, but to her it's the ONLY way she can have someone stay. AND have people not INTERFERE. (She has short person solidarity with Desmond please, they like you, you just get in the way)

Has a habit of apologising. So they say sorry randomly to others but she's just apologising for what she has done and keeps doing. They want to stop but keeps forcing themselves to keep going or keeps going in a panic.

She genuinely likes Milo, but gets so insecure that he'll leave her that they do what they do.

Doesn't even like most of the people she dates. A lot of them remind of their old bullies, but she thought bad people might achieve what she wanted faster.

...but that's not the kind of love she wanted. She wants to be in control this time, at the same time be revered enough by her partner to be smothered in love and not think and not be in control.

It's a balance she's never achieved.

(All playable endings end up being too intense for her, but if she doesn't break him it's not enough. Wall ending she ends up lonely from Milo not being around but others they can't process how things turned out.)

She's met Perfect!Milo in the fucking void! They end up there often trying to make her perfect love, and having to restart over and over because she can't get the balance she wants. Feels too bad for Perfect!Milo to have him become the one she wants, but enjoys his company. She brings him a small painting or drawing every time :D

Tbh she got too attached to Milo to try to do this with someone else anymore and results are steadily improving :^ it’s a slow, slow process though, and she still hasn’t achieved their perfect love.

She usually isn't really "Eris" in a sense most of the time. However, when she does her stuff to manipulate others/ be intimidating/ hurt others, that's when she really "Eris" in a sense. I draw her with the heterochromia when they’re in that mode for lack of a better word. :^ or when her insecurity peaks up :> After all, even under all that wanting and insecurity is still an Eris.

Milo Nicknames :3

Love

Angel

Darling

Sweet/ Sweetling

Yeobo (korean for darling/honey in married couples)

Bunny/Kitty/Puppy (Route dependant)

Mimi/ Mi (cute, shortened version of his name)

Ae Cha legit calls him like dude, bro, guy, man, girl, girlie etc just casually- she does this with everyone so Milo isn't an exception even if they are dating lmao

The funniest thing about her is that she could ACTUALLY GET BETTER by just going to therapy but no time for that when chasing a perfect love. HA BE TRAUMATISED.

[ewesless]

I'm just going to say it after all because we're clearly thinking it.

Barbatos and Solomon were done dirty. The artist didn't make their facial features properly placed or on model. That artist also used AI on the body pillows.

Low res receipts for now

Either he has jankier feet than me (qualification to call his feet janky: bunion and feet deformity caused by hEDS) or the artist just absolutely cannot draw feet.

I'm going to out myself. I was looking forward to the Barbietoes reveal...

AI is notorious for inaccurate hand and feet anatomy so even if other things are fine this will reveal AI assistance or full AI. All of their hands and feet are indistinct and feature out of place anatomy (joints and bends where they should not be, foreshortening and limb positioning and body poses in their bodies. Barbatos looks like a dead body on side 2 but that's just a personal opinion)

Oml Solomon's fingers curse continues like wildfire

https://twitter.com/juujuulion/status/1641444591059750919

I'm going to link this person's too. My severe Barbatos induced tunnel vision makes everyone but Barbatos invisible to me.

[madaims]

Currently in the process of drawing our favourite demon cosplaying our favourite doctor.

Based on this under-rated pic of DT:

I made his leg slightly longer (well the one that’s not in the distance anyway) in my drawing to make him look more cartoony.

Also, what is foreshortening? I cannot process it. 😭

[poetmellifluou-s]

Practicing foreshortening and drawing hands because,,,,,,, I cannot avoid it any longer. *screams in why did I avoid drawing them during my formative years as an artist, before the crippling weight of rejection sensitivity set in* 🤠

Can confirm, drawing from rando references is not nearly as fun as drawing the flame alchemist. I super butchered the symbol on his glove — even though I used references — but that's why this is ✨practice✨ (Bonus doodle at the bottom of the page, you're welcome.)

[sanfezu]

Hey again!

Soo I was wondering, do you do any drawing exercises to improve?? Like any perspective or foreshortening practice? Or just practicing with drawing poses? If so, can you tell me what you do? I seriously need to get better at drawing the anatomy properly. Also, I'm changing my art style yet again and I'm looking for advice :) Thanks <3

Also I love your art :>

Salutations!

(Sorry in advance if I said something wrong or if that is not helpful at all, I don’t really know how to give advices so, I’m so sorry for that)

Hm, I’m not sure how to answer that question, to be honest. Because I don’t really practice in private, and I post 99% of my new art here, whatever it is. Usually, I try new things without real practice in private and just, go with the flow. But I can’t say that’s a good thing to do.

As I said, I just go with the flow, whatever comes to my mind, I try drawing it however it will turn out, changing stuff if I don’t like something at all. And most of the time I’m not even sure what exactly I’m doing and going with this or that art. 

I really want to say, that it just took me time to draw something that looks somewhat okay?

Just, draw whatever you want. Whether it is a silly, or a serious thing, something cheerful, something sad or depressing, or something in between.

If you want to draw emotions you can give yourself a theme, like the negative and positive emotions, check what emotions are in this or that list. 

And just draw them, even if you're drawing just “flying heads”, your main goal is emotions. To understand how to draw them. Try to think how this or that emotion looks like in your head, or use a reference from somewhere. Or, you can draw your own emotions, what you feel at this or that moment: tiredness, sadness, happiness, etc.

Just, try new things, I know saying “don’t be afraid to try” is easier said than done (because I don’t listen to my own advices), but really. Try new things, experiment with whatever you want. 

Try using references, whether it is a reference from Pinterest or any other site, or irl. These are helpful. Even pose, if you don’t want to use references from Pinterest or whatever, and if you have a big mirror, just, I know, this sounds “eh”, but you can also pose infront of a mirror yourself, and just by posing, you could see details in your own anatomy, which I believe could lead you to understand it better.

If you want to try drawing clothes, you can also use Pinterest. If you don’t want Pinterest, then who’s stopping you from drawing your own clothes?

Perspective is… uh… I can’t say anything. I never really learned it, I never really tried even, because I’m… lazy. So, I’m sorry, I cannot really say anything about it.

I’m just saying what I’ve been doing (and what I remember doing before? Though, I may have forgotten to mention something I don’t remember at the moment).

Experiment, try new things, don’t be afraid of stuff not looking good (you are learning after all) even if it may frustrate you, I understand, this may be really hard. But we all are learning and it’s okay to not know stuff.

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And, thank you very much, I am really glad you like it! 🙏💜

Again, I am so so sorry if it was not helpful at all. Or if I said something completely wrong, I’m sure people who know art better than me would say something more helpful and in a proper way than whatever I just said. I am not a pro, I will never be one, and I just… do whatever and draw however I guess…

[jadetheblueartist]

3, 6, and 20 for the art asks! :D

3. What are your favorite subjects to draw? (Ocs, your fan faves, etc.)

It’s gotta be whatever the hyperfixation is at the time hahaha right now, it’s definitely rottmnt stuff (specifically Frida and Camille, who are part tmnt characters and part oc :)) I have some other ocs I love drawing that will come in waves but it’s generally the current fixation :D

6. Favorite and least favorite angles/perspectives to draw?

Favorite angle has got to be just straight on (specifically headshots) bc that’s just what I drew for several months at one point hahaha

Least favorite angle isssss maybe just anything from the back bc I don’t draw it as much

Favorite perspective would be just a little foreshortening (is that the right word? Just making something in the foreground look bigger) ona hand or a leg or whatever to give it a little bit of coolness

Least favorite perspective is any complex one or any that I don’t have a reference for bc I cannot visualize things clearly in my head, especially posing and stuff hahaha

20. What motivates/inspires you artistically? (topics, emotions, etc.)

Music for sure (was just yesterday listening to some bangers and barely being able to do the chores I needed to bc I couldn’t stop imagining epic [haha, a pun since I was listening to epic the musical] tmnt related sequences happening) I love drawing to music and stuff and all of the art projects I really really want to do have to do with music (Queue my current secret art project- that’s getting close to being done now ^^- looming in the distance).

Thank you for the ask @lokiwaffles :)

Here are the art questions

[itsbasicallycanon]

Hey, it's me againnn! Soo I was wondering, do you do any drawing exercises to improve?? Like any perspective or foreshortening practice? Or just practicing with drawing poses? If so, can you tell me what you do? I seriously need to get better at drawing the anatomy properly. Also, I'm changing my art style yet again and I'm looking for advice :) Thanks <3

Also, I was very proud of what you did with the prompts I sent you. It wasn't what I was expecting from that prompt at all. It was better.

Firstly, thanks for the kind words <333 This is gonna be a ramble but I hope it helps!

Honestly the way I improve the most is just drawing something I know I can't at least once. Like here's some pics where I push my perspective little by little.

They don't always look right so I usually don't finish them but! I draw it once and can easily see what I don't understand about the perspective. From there I usually try to draw it again with a reference cause now I know what I need to look for in the reference, like which shapes or 3d forms go into the thing I'm drawing.

This applies to any concept you struggle to draw btw! Perspective, body types, face shapes, muscles, an animal you've never drawn before. You don't always have to go right back into with a reference handy either- especially since sometimes it's hard to find that exact pose or reference. What I've been doing is just watching my animated media and I tend to take note of how they drew the thing I struggled with. Because I struggled with it, it's a lot easier to notice when they do it my show or comic. Like when someone tells you how hotdogs are made so know you think about it every time you see one.

Well that's the general advice but for more specific things like this one I drew for my friend I simply couldn't fathom how to draw the pose so I used a 3d poser and worked out the shapes.

Just in general I also try to sketch out random poses to hopefully improve my anatomy. Doesn't have but anything elaborate as long as you're understanding the form. Sometimes limbs make no sense so it's good to glance at muscle anatomy. (I use AdoraSketch's website and MagicPoser on iOS.)

But I cannot stress enough, I do this all causally. My progress is been limb by limb. I learn to draw a specific muscle in the arm, learn to draw the jawline from an upward perspective, etc. Typing it all out makes it feel like an art class final but most improvement is subconscious. Probably my biggest advice is to keep drawing what you love. I still can't draw beefy men but my love of Nightwing keeps me crawling back every year or so. Also Laios from Dungeon Meshi. I would not bother half the time if I didn't want to draw my blorbos doing funny stuff.

[starlitangels]

“Why would you want to leave?”

A bit of fanart for my dear friend @frenchiefitzhere ’s Yandere Dragon Queen series!

I cannot draw dragons for sh!+ so we’re doing Ruby’s human form whee

I went back and forth on so many colors for this and I’m still not satisfied with it but oh well better to just throw it out into the world rather than agonizing over colors

Also I am Very Bad at foreshortening and mouths I apologize deeply

No-text version:

[phoebelovingcare]

As an artist, what are your favorite subjects, and then also what are your favorite tools. <3 Wanna start up some fun art convos that are not centered around AI to brighten up my tumblr dash <3

gotta let you know that my art blog specifically is @p---l---c

just in case you're here for art and get confused when all that happens are shitposts and fandom nonsense

But anyways, my main digital tools are Photoshop and my lovely Huion tablet - I use it for literally everything, although i CANNOT in good conscience recommend using Photoshop to animate. It gives you just enough to want to keep doing it that way but deprives you of enough to be an actual nightmare. that being said i do it all the time.

For traditional art I have these two boxes, laying on their sides, FULL of assorted brands of alcohol markers. Mostly copics in various shapes and sizes, but a handful of others as well that I've picked up along the way. I've got drawers full of fineliners, microns, and sharpies, bags of colored pencils and gel pens, and, as is what tends to happen when you draw daily, 15 completed sketchbooks.

. now as a homeschooled person i admit i had to go to look up what, specifically, an art subject was - BUT it's mostly figures, people and characters doing interesting things in interesting positions, landscapes with lots of little details. Motion motion motion!!! Folds in fabric all foreshortened!!!

as a treat lemme grab some sketchbook pics: a few sketches of my friends' faces (names redacted) and a couple ocs of mine :D

[neocaridinas]

I finished my foreshortening project early so I started drawing these goofy thumbnails where I look like a bug

and now I cannot stop

[waspsinyouryard]

what's your least favorite part of making pixel art?

what is your most favorite part?

Oh hey I felt inspired to draw something to give a visual reference for what I'm talking about. Here are the steps I usually go through when making pixel art, demonstrated by my attempt to draw an screw (with a really flat point for some reason)

1. Basic Outline

This is consistently terrible. I'm so bad at drawing good outlines of things, especially when things like foreshortening come into play. Unless I'm drawing a square or something, it will take me numerous attempts to make a good outline of something.

2. Basic colors

The screw is black. I decided to make it more metallic in color in my drawing. Whatever. I'm pretty good at making the colors I want, so this isn't bad. The only times it starts getting bad is when there's a boundary between colors and it looks wrong.

3. Shading and details

This stage is where I add shading and details. It's either very frustrating when it doesn't come out well (most of the time) or deeply satisfying when it does. I also adjust the outline if needed if it's not quite right or it needs to be different to accommodate a detail, like a wrinkle for example.

4. Highlights (if necessary)

If something is shiny and/or the lighting is sharp, then highlights are needed. I feel the same way about highlights as I do about shading, but the issue with highlights is that I cannot recall ever getting them right.

5. Final touch-ups

This could theoretically consist of anything, but it mostly means improving the colors of the outline for me. At least this one's easy to do and makes stuff look better.