#helluva boss critizal

[fortunelowtier]

"its set in hell, what do you expe-

"SAY 'ITS SET IN HELL' ONE MORE TIME, I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE DARE YOU MOTHERFUCKER, SAY 'ITS SET IIN HELL' AS AN EXCUSE FOR SHITTY WRITING AND DESIGN CHOICES ONE MORE GODDAMN TIME"

[hexitca]

you know i kinda wish Moxxie joined in on the carnage with Millie. With his threat of how good of a shot he became, i was hoping for that to come up but it didn't

i mean i liked that Millie saved him but idk maybe if instead of the threat, maybe Moxxie went to Millie and told her all that but Moxxie still got captured etc

hm 6/10 on the episode on the flow of the plot, i did love that fight scene though

[likelytowritesomestuff]

Hazbin Hotel Headcanons pt 2

(With a sprinkle of 'Helluva Boss')

the Vices and the Goetias are some sort of uncles and aunts for Charlie, so this means...

... Stolas used to babysit Charlie when she was little and from that experience, he realized he could be a better father than his own...

... Bee totally organized the best birthday parties for Charlie (especially after Lilith left)

... Charlie was one of the first person Asmodeus told her about his relationship with Fizzarolli and she was really happy when they came out as a couple

Charlie managed to convince the elevator guys to let Vaggie visit the rest of Hell in occasion for her first birthday as her girlfriend: in that occasion, they had dinner at Ozzie's, Charlie improvised a duet with Fizz that made Vaggie laugh out loud and then they moved to the party Bee organized for her (Vaggie wasn't immune to Bee's charm and when she realized Charlie had noticed it, she felt ashamed by that, but her girlfriend shrugged because 'Aunt Bee always does this effect to introvert people' and everything turned out okay)

Vaggie had a crush on Lute when she first joined the Exorcist Army, but it didn't last for long... that being sad, it hurt knowing Lute was the responsible for her fall

after it was revealed the Extermination would have been in six months, Vaggie got drunk and started commiserating herself for not being a good girlfriend for Charlie. Husk tried to comfort her, saying that she was the princess's anchor because he heard Charlie saying that (and he has a pair eyes) when Vaggie dropped his secret... the morning after she talked with Husk (in spanish to not be understood by others) and he assured her he would have not revealed the secret because he was none of his business...

... unfortunately spanish is similar to italian and Val occasionally speaks spanish, so Angel asked him what was this big secret Vaggie was trying to hide and Husk told him it was something stupid, nothing important... of course he revealed the truth after the couple came back from Heaven

Lucifer actually cooked pancakes for everyone after the hotel was rebuilt and then spent the next days making personalized ducks for everyone...

... yeah, he even did one for Alastor and agreed to co-parent Charlie in absence of Lilith (Alastor took the duck because 'why not? It's not bad', but then he didn't know how to feel about the other thing because he didn't like to get attached to all the Hotel gang and this was going against his plan)

living in the 40s and 50s means that sometime Vox says some mysoginistic, racist or homophobic stuff, but Valentino and Velvette are always ready to point that out... luckily, Vox is willing to learn and has a long list of the things he can say and he can't say

when they first met, Val started flirting with Vox but Vox was walking eteronormativity due to his upbringing and dismissed his avances...

... but Val had the feeling Vox wasn't straight and after seeing his reaction to the news that Judy Garland had died after he arrived in Hell, he was happy to be right

Then Vox told him that he suppressed his feelings for men all his life and Val offered him to make up for the lost time... and that's how their on and off relationship began

after episode 4, Angel always received flowers and sweets at the studio from the Hotel gang in order to show him support (Val doesn't know that, he thinks those are just presents from Angel's fans)

Lucifer didn't immediately understand Angel's gender, so he tried with female pronouns and when Angel replied, he believed he was a girl until Charlie told him he was male. Actually Angel wasn't really bothered because Lucifer was the only one to use female prounons for him and not in a derogatory way, so sometimes Lucifer still uses them for him

The movie Angel showed to the Hotel gang was the last movie he did before his relationship with Val started to crack... that's why he got so mad when Husk critized it...

... after episode 4, Angel realized Husk did indeed watched some of his movies and Husk admitted he watched a few of his first movies and those are better than the new ones (the new ones as the ones he did with Val) and Angel was happy that someone still remembered those, where plot and quality still mattered

Alastor actually ships Huskerdust! He was the first to notice Husk's attraction to Angel and told the bartender they would have been such a cute couple despite their differences... Husk didn't know how to feel, but at least he was happy Alastor didn't meddle when he and Angel started to get closer

[todomemolesta18]

Helluva boss positivity (?)

Well, so, because there are some helluva boss fans that think we, who rightfully critizes this show, are just "hating because yes" and stuff, Im gonna comment stuff that I do like of Helluva boss, to show that, is not that we hate... is just that there is a lot to critize.

So, lets go.

The voice actors do an excellent job. The animation usually is really smooth and colourful.

There are some jokes I found funny and that dont rely on swearing or sex. Some examples:

"Im not gonna call any names... Moxxie". *raise eyebrow*

"Why dont you take an art class?" "Why dont you see how EXPENSIVE they are?!" *my favourite dialogue between this two, their dynamic should have been more like this*

"Or what?" "Or... I call HR". *cut to laughing*

I like the design of Verosika and her VA

If we ignore that she sexually assaulted Moxxie, she can be likeable. If we ignore it, thats it...

Moxxie is best boy and he deserves more respect, and better writting

Like, okay, Im not excusing all the murder and stuff, BUT, that doesnt mean I cant like him, and that of all the main cast, he is one of the most likeable and even simpatetic.

And yeah, ep 5 of season 2 isnt the best Moxxie ep... but thats not his faulth. I still love you Moxxie :)

Also... I love his relationship with Millie, they are really cute

Even tough Millie doesnt have a lot of development... Nono, we are being positive right know.

They are really good songs like "You will be okay" and "House of Asmodeus".

... Actually, they are the best songs. The rest are okay, I guess. I dont dislike them. Verosikaˋs one isnt bad.

Octavia is really likeable and realistic, and Im sure a lot of people like her in real life can identify with her and her problems.

You deserve better too, girl.

The first season is not as bad as season 2 because it was more focused on the comedy. Tough there still some problems...

Fizzarolli and Asmodeus have a really cute and healthy relationship and I love that for them. And Fizz is great.

*thats my face everytime Stolitz is on screen, sorry not sorry*

Aaaaand *come on, come on* Uh, okay, I have to admit, there isnt more.

Because some other stuff I did like was before season 2. For example, I used to love ep 6 because of the allucination scene, and the depht it gave to Blitzo and Moxxie, and ep 7 because of the drama.

Or my man Striker. *sigh* Im gonna stop now... I tried my best.

Oh, one more thing!

Everytime

Stolas

Gets

HURT

Sorry I had too.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I saw you pointing out how Vivienne has not changed since the Zoophobia comic back then and after thinking about that, I can only agree.

She is still introducing way too many characters as if she really needed them all. More than half end up not even being relevant because she only wants to focus on her favorites. She only wants to show off her OCs.

Her character designs are still all over the place and do not make sense nor are they elaborated. Why is Angel a spider? No one knows. Why does Moxxie have those legs but no other imp does? When was there ever a connection between Lucifer and ducks in the Bible? Bible Lucifer was supposed to be the most beautiful angel in heaven before he was cast out. Is she saying ducks are the height of beauty?

She still can't commit to finishing anything. She never finished Zoophobia. Look at what happened with the empty promise that way Allison. Her shows feel so half-assed because she just doesn't fully commit to them and instead always wants to move on what SHE likes and the parts SHE wants to show. What's in between doesn't matter nor if the plots remain unresolved or even makes sense.

The fact that she already wants to make a spin-off for the Vs + has made Helluva Boss before Hazbin Hotel was actually out shows that she still cannot commit to anything. She doesn't want to commit to characters. She doesn't want to commit to her own stories. She doesn't want to commit to her own shows, no matter how "passionate" she is about them. Maybe she is passionate about the concept of them, about the concept of Hazbin Hotel. But absolutely not about the actual show.

I genuinely am baffled that YouTube Essay people who cover her hardly ever seem to focus on these really big issues. Her own issues as a person aside - sometimes it seems as if no one notices why her shows, specifically Hazbin, are so mid and or below that.

Hazbin Hotel is just another empty promise of her's. She promised rich characters and yet she needs to canonize the headcanons of her fans and comes up with things on the spot, even though she's had some of them for so long. She promised a mature cartoon for adults. But her idea of mature is the same as that of edgy teens and Jojo Siwa. She promised a story that critizes Christianity but the story itself doesn't seem to know what Christianity is half the time.

This. She really keeps on giving great promises and not following through. She seems she will go farther than she did with Zoophobia but in exchange flop hard in execution because she doesn't properly build anything up or focuses on her favorites at the detriment of other characters. Also again she can't commit to a premise to save her life and it devolves into madness. Also old criticisms of Vivziepop's work are always so familiar and her fans have been always so crappy.

[picturejasper20]

One thing i noticed about Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss videos i have watched is that they don't see to spread misinformation nor come as rude nor bigoted like videos that try to "critize" other animated shows

I suppose it has to do with how many of them were people who liked Helluva Boss or HH pilot and were/are fans of these series

[xxduncandonutxx]

Is ti wrong to say I've never liked Hellaverse re-redesigns? LoveArt's redesigns are imo not as great or good as everyone keep saying. LoveArt say she's doing it for fun all the while critizing the original design and deciding fuck it, she'll make the character her OC and pass it off as superior, as a subtle Viv sucks at designing so here are my better designs if they were in Hazbin which they should've.

That's.... That's scummy of Love to do- Like, I'm okay with people making redesigns of the characters and turning them into OCs as long as the design is like heavily redesigned to the point that it can easily pass off as an oc, example like this guy who leaked one of the scenes from a HB Episode awhile ago and have some weird spiteful vendetta against Viv

Critique is fine as long as it's actually helpful and not just taking a huge massive dogshit on the entire show, also I'm having trouble finding that user you're talking about so, if you could try and link me her Instagram or account so I could have a look at her redesigns (since I'm curious) please do.

But back to the topic of redesigns, Honestly, if people wanna redesign HH/HB characters then they can as long as they are just doing it for fun and not just doing it to spite Vivziepop.. oh, and as long the Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fanbase DOES NOT attack anyone for making said redesign. I don't want another Idolomantises incident where people were attacking them for redesigning Angel Dust (again). Like, I do admit, I like the Angel Dust redesign despite me not really liking idol anymore since he blocked me for simply criticizing the fact that they were supporting a HH/HB Leaker (s3tok41b4) and He's a hypocrite for supporting a transphobe (Zebirdbrain) and try to excuse her actions despite the fact that he (rightfully) called Viz out for transphobia.. oh, and they are pretty hostile/rude towards Vivziepop even calling her a "clout chaser", most likely referencing the lackadaisy donation incident :/

Oh, and some other accusations too that I won't mention here since they are accusations and it's all alleged. But personally, if you want to make an oc out a redesign, be sure you heavily redesign it to the point that it can be CONSIDER an OC.

[prompt-master]

Whenever people critize helluva boss/hazbin hotel for bad animation, it's so wild to me that the indie animation community has grown to the point where THAT can be considered bad indie animation. To me it feels like just yesterday where Happy Tree Friends got huge because it was the peak of production quality indie animation

[blazinginferno626]

Trigger warning for people who don’t want to read about any Hazbin, Helluva or Vivziepop controversy or any of those subjects in general ........

I really wanna get this off my chest i don’t think Hazbin Hotel should get as much hate as it does. First off, I will say I am a fan of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss I will admit that. Second, I am not here to call out anyone in particular this is just general things that I really want to say. I have noticed a lot on twitter that there are a lot of antis that aren’t found of viv or her work. That’s completely fine you don’t have to like her or her shows. But from what I see is that a lot of these people are minors who don’t even get past things they’ve heard about viv on the internet. And the things that they criticize doesn’t really have any ground to stand on because they really know nothing about the show or any of the characters believing they are stereotypes and not even seeing past the surface traits of these characters. One of these characters in particular is Mimzy for being a Jewish antisemitic stereotype, so first and for most Mimzy isn’t canonically Jewish and has never been implied to be. And the only leg to stand on for that is her nose Mimzy doesn’t have personality traits for a Jewish stereotype she’s very materialistic and likes to spend money according to viv in a livestream and is a total diva like Angel Dust they both are divas who like to buy very expensive things. And a lot of people just assumed she was Jewish because of her design which says a lot more about them than her. 

Another thing this isn’t a really big thing honestly just something I wanted to mention. Viv has shown to like the Cuphead Show and fans weren’t happy about that saying they needed to keep their show away from her. Like WTF do you mean “your show” The Cuphead show is literally for anybody who’d watch it and that statement is unfair and sounds so fucking entitled. Also, you’re telling everybody to watch the show for it to get renewed but then telling someone else not to. Like how does that make any sense at all. You don’t get to decide who does and doesn’t watch the show, it’s not yours it’s for anybody. That has less to do with Hazbin it’s just something I really wanted to say. Also, if somebody who has a lot of fans recommends something and they hadn’t seen it they would probably try it. Just saying.

Last thing is the character designs and leaks. A lot of people are critizing viv’s character designs for Hazbin, which again no one needs to like. But as some people have pointed out that It’s not just her a whole team helps design and shape characters. So you wanna dunk on viv whatever just no you’re also insulting that character designers that helped her with her characters and show and nobody who’s just doing their job deserves that. And those leaks that were critizing the writing on Hazbin, first off, I heard a storyboarder on the show got fired because those leaks were going around. Second, it probably didn’t help that people retweeted it about the writing. Like leaving Hazbin out of the pictue for a sec. people shouldn’t post leaks weither they like the show or not it hurts the people making the show and the people who did that should feel ashamed. 

Lastly, IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE SHOW DON’T FUCKING RETWEET IT. LIKE SERIOUSLY DON’T MAKE A POST ABOUT HATING IT OR SAYING FANS OF THE SHOW ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE FOR LIKING IT. JUST FUCKING IGNORE IT, IT’S NOT THAT HARD!!! And this isn’t just Viv’s work you know this is a whole team of storyboard artists, animators, and character designers that are putting blood sweat and tears into the show. 

That’s all I wanna say on the matter sorry if this brings anybody down this is just something I really wanted to get off my chest and i made this for that exact reason only. 

[awkwardaro]

Yea, Stolas is not an original character for Helluva Boss.

He is an ACTUAL demon from the lesser key of Solomon

Yall do research before you critizize things, mkay?

Damn, Hazbin's popularity has fans thinking I'm ripping off of it, I'm inspired by it or that I'm making OCs for that universe.

not a fan :/

[batter-sempai]

I'm conflicted about the whole Helluva Boss Beelzebub's design thing because while I wish they did more with the insect theme than just "four armed fox that makes honey", it's an OC and I feel bad critizing it too much since I'd be hurt if someone told me my OC doesn't fit the "bird" theme I gave him.

[fortunelowtier]

"Stolitz isn't that bad! You just need to read into it a bit more, i promise theres more depth to it!"

Ok so imagine for a moment that you work at a place that's pretty far away, so in order to get to it you need your car (we'll say for the sake of comparison that things like ubers, lyfts, buses and other forms of metro aren't available).

You *need* this car to get to and from work, it is integral for the continued stability of your job. But one day your car has to be sent to a mechanic. The mechanic fixes it, however he tells you that he won't give you the car back unless you have sex with him on a regular basis, with your livelihood basically being on the line if you refuse him sex. So you are forced to continuously sleep with him in order to continue your work and not lose your job, with him actively getting upset if you ever refuse. You try to tell people about it but it's treated as a joke.

Ok now imagine if the mechanic suddenly started catching feelings for you, feelings which you did not feel the same

Did you physically recoil reading that? Did reading that make you feel genuinely revolted? Well what I have just described is essentially Stolitz just with words mixed around

Now look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that thats a stable ship in any way

[fortunelowtier]

[fortunelowtier]

one of the only redeeming qualities of the character designs in Hazbin/Helluva is when someone looks at a canon design and goes "wow this shit is hot ass" and then makes a redesign and it's met with essentially universal appraise because i just know it makes Viv seethe

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Apolitical is not a bad thing and people are allowed to be apolitical. I'm talking about palestine and israel some people are just gonna be observer that is ok and do not force someone to be an activist please. I'm a critic of helluva boss and hazbin hotel what political stance vivziepop is none of our business whether she is a pro israel or pro palestine i do not care. I only here to critize her shows that's it don't force random stranger online to hate her for being zionist

This

[todomemolesta18]

ABOUT ME ✨

So Im doing this again cause I was too stupid and lost the original publication where I talk about myself 🥲

So, yeah.

Stuff about me:

-Im a girl 🎀

-Im 1️⃣9️⃣ years old

-I was born in Spain, and now I live in England (and drink tea ☕ with Harry Potter). If you notice mispelings Im sorry, english is not my first language. Feel free to correct me ✨

Hobbies:

-Reading 📖

-Drawing ✍

-Writting ✒

-Watch cartoons

-Shipping 💕

Fandoms:

-Avatar the last airbender

-Murder drones

-The amazing digital circus

-Lackadaisy

-Black butler

-Jibaku shounen hanako kun

-Chainsaw man

Ships I LOVE 💞

-N x Uzi

-Ragatha x Jax

-Denji x Asa

-Yashiro Nene x Hanako-kun

-Gumball x Penny

-Finn x Flame Princess

-Zutara (?)

STUFF NOT ALLOWED HERE:

-Proships

-Zoophilia

-Homophobia

-Racism

-Attacks or insults to other people (i dont give a shit if it is to a fictional character, but if you insult me or to another person, then im drawing the line)

If I find something like this in my blog, Im gonna delete your comment AND block you. This is a safe space FOR EVERYONE.

SHIPS I FREAKING HATE:

-Sebastián x Ciel (is pedophilia)

-N x J (is abusive)

-N x Cyn (incest)

-Blitzo x Stolas (bad written and has sexual abuse)

-Meliodas x Elizabeth (sexual abuse AND grooming)

-Kirito x Asuna (is just too corny and they are emotionaly dependent to each other)

-Usami x Misaki (RAPE)

And last, I critize Helluva boss, BUT if you enjoy the show and the ships, good for you! Im not gonna attack you because of that ✨ You are free to be here too. But if you dont like that I critize it, then, kindly I ask you to leave unless you wanna discuss it calmly

Thats all!

You can use the images if you want :)