#hate to call it feminist
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lena-in-a-red-dress · 3 months ago
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Its always a little daunting to voice a "female characters are more than their sexual relationships" criticism to a male author, but this morning our guy took it on the chin. Dunno if he'll implement anything about it, but at least he didn't try to explain himself, or worse, justify it.
Just take the note-- that's all we ask.
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bumblingbabooshka · 4 months ago
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Thinking about marriage/women's rights on Vulcan Some may think that T'Pring not being allowed to divorce Spock was because he was going through the pon farr but if she were allowed to divorce him at all she probably would have done that a long time ago, confirmed by T'Pol when she's speaking with Koss, who isn't suffering from the pon farr. She says that he can choose another mate (without invoking a fight it seems: note the difference between a 'mate' and a 'challenger') and after he makes it clear that nothing she says will change his mind about marrying her, she finally threatens to declare a kal-if-fee. It's clear that Vulcan women cannot divorce/refuse to marry a man they've been betrothed to under any circumstances if A) He himself doesn't consent to ending their marriage or B) She doesn't have someone else waiting in the wings to be given to in his stead. Though, if the challenger she selects fails to win the fight, she'll have to marry her betrothed anyway unless (again) he decides he doesn't want her after the challenge. That seems like an incredibly unfair system, heavily biased towards men. SNW is an alternate universe in many obvious respects but most egregiously in that T'Pring has a lot of non-canonical agency over her relationship with Spock. It's interesting to me that Vulcan society has women in many positions of power and treats women as equal to men from what I've seen despite these laws. We don't really see Vulcans exhibiting a misogynistic attitude towards women in general but in TOS (perhaps because of its general writing style but it's still interesting to note) both Sarek and Spock take on patriarchal attitudes specifically regarding wives. Amanda says that 'of course' Sarek commands her because "he is a Vulcan and I am his wife." It's worthwhile in my eyes to note that she specifies 'wife' instead of attributing this attitude to women as a whole. Again, with TOS' writing style it wouldn't be out of place for her to say "he is a man and I am a woman." Spock, while in a pon farr induced irritation, states that it's "undignified for a woman to play servant to a man that isn't hers" - again implying that there's something specific about being a Wife in Vulcan society which is different from being a woman in general and demands subservience to a husband. This could perhaps stem from the extreme sense of ownership that Vulcan law has permitted men to have over women. A woman legally cannot point blank refuse marriage. There is no option which guarantees she won't have to marry her betrothed other than death. When T'Pau speaks of T'Pring she refers to her as being 'property' and Stonn, before being interrupted, states he's made 'the ancient claim' - we don't know what this is because he gets cut off but it's obvious they're both using the language of Vulcan law. Men are permitted true freedom to choose. If a woman wants to choose someone else to be with there is no option available to her other than the kal-if-fee which might result in the death of the one she wants to be with. And, if her lover fails, her husband can still just decide he wants to marry her and she'll be forced to. T'Pring gives two scenarios: One where Spock 'frees' her and one where he doesn't - it's still ultimately his decision which is clear when he ends the conversation with "Stonn, she is yours." This again isn't just because of the pon farr as T'Pol also goes through this. Koss can choose another mate and when the option is talked about there's no implication that this would result in any sort of fight (both by the casualness of its mention and by the fact that there's no formal word for it unlike the kal-if-fee.) Also, the fact that Koss does eventually grant T'Pol a divorce and it's all fine means that T'Pol isn't lawfully required to have another man waiting if her HUSBAND doesn't want her. It's ONLY required if SHE doesn't want her husband. Tradition must take precedence over individual desire UNLESS!!! You're a man. Then it's fine. Like, your parents might not be happy but legally you're golden.
#as a note do NOT read the comments on any T'Pol marriage clips on youtube they're full of 'haha women amiright' jokes about#how she's leading Trip on and being a bitch for not choosing him etc - if you become interested in female characters you learn#quickly just how much people still hate women displaying any amount of complexity/doing anything that isn't just falling into a man's arms#even if that hatred doesn't take the form of outright vitriol (aka: 'I feel so sad for Trip bc T'Pol's marrying some other guy')#Trip: T'Pol listen this arranged marriage stuff is no good - you've gotta be free! You have to do what YOU want to do!#T'Pol: -legally seen as property of her husband in the eyes of the law- ...............#<- not dunking on Trip it's just funny how easy it makes it seem - but!! He doesn't know all the facts#as evidenced by him saying T'Pol might 'call off the wedding' to her mother - T'Pol can't legally call off shit#It's also interesting how gender isn't really mentioned in any of the clips I've seen - it's very clear to me that T'Pol has no options#specifically because she's a WOMAN within her culture but that's almost like a quiet undercurrent and not focused on as a main#point of dissatisfaction - which I imagine it 1000% would be for Vulcan women when men have infinitely more freedom#Vulcan Man: I don't wanna marry this lady#Vulcan Law: Ok#Vulcan Woman: I don't wanna marry this guy#Vulcan Law: Noted. So - if you and your lover are willing to risk his life there's a chance (if he wins) that you can get out of marrying#him BUT if your husband kills your lover and still wants to marry you you DOOO have to marry him sorry you just gotta#<- this also makes it incredibly dangerous to in any way warn your legal husband that a kal-if-fee might be incoming#the element of surprise is a HUGE advantage when it comes to winning a fight to the death (which your lover can train for)#Vulcans#T'Pol#T'Pring#star trek#I don't think this is bad necessarily (as a fictional worldbuilding thing) but I wish it were explored more#It's especially interesting because it's an aspect of logical Vulcan society - it's clearly not logical but it's also clearly rooted deeply#in tradition which may mean Vulcan long ago used to have a much more extreme gender bias towards the male population#it just implies a lot that Vulcan has these old laws which are unfair towards women yet they still follow BUT women are treated as equal#citizens OUTSIDE of marriage! Maybe there was a feminist movement before? Is there another brewing? Where are the Vulcan feminists!
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coyote-teeth-poetry · 9 months ago
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people will say religion oppresses women because they cannot comprehend a woman being liberated without being sexualized. They don’t understand the idea of a woman finding freedom outside of men’s desire for her, instead of leaning into it.
A woman veiling or wearing a hijab or mitpahat, or any kind of modesty, isn’t men oppressing her, it’s her finding value and freedom in God, not men. God sees the inherent value of her outside of what she can give to men.
Stop telling women they are oppressed by their religion.
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halfdeadwallfly · 10 months ago
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zer0point5ive · 2 years ago
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do you think the stray cats ever wondered what happened to adam :(
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anawkwardlady · 2 months ago
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"This female character is a fake feminist" WRONG WRONG WRONG this character doesn't try to ally with feminism and is actually a proud self admitted misogynist!!! you're confusing a woman using misleading feminist points and a woman who prioritize her own goals, usually don't fit in the traditional expectations of her gender and think it should be okay (FOR HER ONLY). Both can lead to misogyny BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME.
Also trying to cater towards/manipulate women as a woman =/= trying to cater towards/manipulate using feminist points
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I'm sorry but the whole concept of 'gold star lesbians' pisses me the fuck off. It's just the plain, uncoated misogyny.
The queer version of straight men saying they will only date virgin women who have not been 'passed around'
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yuri-for-businesswomen · 1 year ago
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these people cant imagine defending a woman against her abuser no matter her personal views and opinions. lol, lmao even
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jennfercheck · 10 months ago
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sometimes i think about how crazy it is that people on the internet (sw*fties) bullied olivia rodrigo (a 17/18 yr old at the time) into giving song credits to taylor and paramore for writing music that was inspired by them as if that’s not what art is at its core… all art is inspired by other art!!! you cannot find “originality” in art because it is almost always an amalgamation of other styles that the artist was so moved by that they had to create their own. but god forbid a young girl emulate a sound she grew up listening to
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robinspinknest · 10 months ago
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pt. 2 of "Too disgusting to be called pigs"
sa statistics
how common is sa?
1 in 5 women in the U.S. have experienced legally defined rap3 in their lifetime.
1 in 33 men in the U.S. have experienced legally defined rap3 in their life time.
more than 1 in 3 women have experienced rap3, physical v1olence, or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
it is estimated that every 98 seconds someone in the U.S. is s*xually assaulted.
91% of victims of rap3 and sa are female; 9% are male
s*xual assault is, and has been, an epidemic.
how many of these s*x offend3rs are put behind bars?
"According to FBI statistics, 33.4% of rap3s reported to the police department in 2018 resulted in arrest. RAINN (rap3, abvse & inc3st national network) estimates that for every 1,000 rap3s, 384 are reported to police, 57 result in arrest, 11 are referred for prosecution, 7 result in a felony conviction, and 6 result in incarceration."
wow, 7 incarcerated for every 1,000 rap3s. if you do some quick math, you'll find only *roughly* 38.4% are even reported, and when you see the number drop from 384, to 57, to 11, to 7, and finally down to 6, its not hard to see why.
- other important statistics regarding csa -
1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys are victims of csa
children are most vulnerable to csa between the ages of 7 - 13
3 out of 4 adolescents who have been s*xually assaulted were victimized by someone they knew well
82% of all victims under 18 are female
1 in 5 children are solicited s*xually while on the internet before the age of 18
an estimated 60% of teen first pregnancies are preceded by experiences of molestation, rape, or attempted rape, the average age of their offender is 27 years
pt. 3 i will be starting to talk about p0rn culture (tag is featured in search on my profile, but it will likely be out tomorrow)
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eemoo1o · 4 months ago
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Dandadan is one of the most utterly confusing, sporadic, anger-inducing, unpredictable, heartbreaking and heartwarming anime to ever exist and I love it
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lesbianlenas · 2 months ago
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can i be honest it’s genuinely crazy as a lesbian to be sitting in a room w like 15 other ppl including ur professor who are all heterosexual women and two men as they discuss “queer women” and u just have to sit there while they say a slur in an academically approved way bc it is apparently progressive to say said slur and what are u going to do abt it? lol. when u think abt it in an objective way tho it is actually insane. like u are all saying a derogatory slur that refers to ppl like me and are congratulating urselves on using the politically correct term as u do so. and i just have to sit there like
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#michelle speaks#yes i know they are all heterosexual bc i have eyes. they are all very clearly straight lol#sometimes it really hits me that straight ppl reclaimed a slur for gay ppl and decided it was the appropriate term to refer to us as…..#like i have always been against using for so long now but when i really think abt it again i get so mad lol. like it is so insane.#NEVER forget being in my feminist theory class in like feb 2020 and we did a reading that had a lesbian woman say why she didn’t like the#use of the word queer and a bunch of straight women in my class were criticizing it & i was like. idk i don’t have words#we were discussing it in a group i think or maybe i raised my hand i don’t remember but i was like a lot of lesbians don’t like the term bc#they feel erased by it. but i will just never forget how uncomfortable it felt & felt again recently in my one class#when i am just surrounded by straight ppl happily using a slur for gay ppl. like HELLO???????????#look if gay ppl want to call themselves queer that is their prerogative i personally don’t like it but they can do what they want#it is the fact that straight ppl use that term to refer to gay ppl as if it is appropriate for them to reclaim a slur on behalf of us#there is never a point where it should become so normal for the oppressor class to refer to the oppressed group by a slur#that they literally invented for them. like straight ppl started calling us queer bc they thought we were freaks. and now they get to go#around calling us freaks all day long bc apparently they decided it’s ok for everyone to say it now#as if not that long ago u wouldn’t all be using it as a pejorative 🙄 hate this shit!
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chenfordswopez · 5 months ago
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Kinda funny how Caroline would go off on Elena for being "being Matt's Elena backup" (as if Elena put a spell on Matt to still be in love with her lmao), but doesn’t once call out Matt and even stays in a relationship with him…internalized misogyny me thinks.
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saturnniidae · 19 days ago
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Chappell roan switch up needs to be studied
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bredforloyalty · 7 months ago
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like i believe there can be a middle way, a golden mean, between tolerating "men are violent misogynists bc women aren't nice enough to them 🥺" and tolerating those users. i believe it's possible to just not give way to either
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"all these achilleans putting women dni in their posts are so cringe and misogynistic!! 😂😒😒"
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