#harry and babygate

[twopoppies]

Hi, love. Wow. That really similar to so much of what we think has happened with Harry and Louis, as well as what we’ve heard from so many formerly closeted celebrities. It’s disgusting. Thank you so much for sharing and yes, come back and share anything else you remember!

[landhinlove]

I’m late but

Lottie saying her mom never got to meet her first grandson is WILD

[goodvibesatpeace]

[tobethemselves]

Larry Timeline

December 2023

01.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

02.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

03.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

04.12.2023 Harry is MIA [Rumors of Harry in Rome, (x) (stunt mention)] / Louis is MIA

05.12.2023 Harry is MIA [Rumor of Harry in London (stunt mention)] / Louis is MIA

06.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

07.12.2023 Allegedly Harry is in Citiva, Italy (stunt mention) / Louis is MIA

08.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

09.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

10.12.2023 Harry is MIA [Rumor of Harry in Rome] / Louis is MIA

11.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

12.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

13.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

14.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

15.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

16.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis in Las Vegas (x)

17.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

18.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

19.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

20.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

21.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

22.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

23.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

24.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis seems to be in Doncaster (x)

25.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is in Doncaster (stunt mention)

26.12.2023 Harry is in London (stunt mention) / Louis is MIA

27.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

28.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

29.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

30.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is in London

31.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is in Doncaster

[zethhazloutay]

CW: Talk about BBgate, Larries, Antis and fandom behaviours, don’t like, don’t read.

Take care everyone, I will block any negative interaction bcs I like my mental health, if you have a different point of view and are able to share with respect I would love to talk about it as long as it’s not an attack on any demographic, read it all so the conversation adds up.

Expecting H and L to come out and be public is as bad as calling them queerbaiters.

Expecting L to confirm bbygate is as distasteful as constantly probing a non-traditional family by claiming their family dynamic is not valid.

Forcing an specific queer label on them is as gross as dying on the hill that they can’t be anything but straight.

Expecting H or L to debunk their romantic relationships stunt is as disrespectful as thinking every woman their work with is their beau/beard. Stunt work is part of their work, both parties of a stunt relationship consent to it and get something out of it, the real relationships behind the screen could be anything from workplace companionship to love.

Claiming and modelling L and H relationship status to your fantasies is as bad as projecting hetero-monogamy in them.

Being a Larry truther is as toxic as being an Anti, since these both groups tend to think their lives and carrers revolve around a fan-theory for good or bad.

Even if all the theories where real or false ( I think the most important part about this is having an open mind to any possibilities) there are tons of behaviours that are disgusting by all parts of the fandom (solos ot5, Antis, Larries, Buzzings) and it’s important to remember that is fun to be part of something but we have to remember we are not entitled to ANYTHING as their fans.

Growing up, being able to have meaningful IRL interactions, grow apart from the fandom and ‘touch some grass’ made me revisit Louis words about Larry and realise what they try to convey a communicate.

“People can believe what they want to believe even if it is bs and they are so connected to their beliefs that they won’t see other realities what I don’t like is when their beliefs transpire in invasive IRL nasty behaviours”

What this tells me is he doesn’t not give a fuck abt Larries since they are not by any means his ‘golden fan base’ or the ‘rotten fan base’ (despite what any Larry or Anti says). He cares however abt the real life consequences that have bleed from crazy ass people, because again, no matter the ‘proverbial truth’ (that he has only given by voice is ‘false but you can believe in it if you want [weird response but ok]’ ) he will never give pats in the back to people that have time and time again be the headquarters of invasive behaviours that he will never want or approve, queer or cishet, with H, E, single or with another person, proudly out or closeted. He does not address toxic behaviours in the fandom because he knows that a handful of people doesn’t represent all there is to the fan base, but we know that if he notices something he doesn’t like he will call it out.

This text it’s not for making anyone feel bad or guilty (Unless you stalk people around them or other parts of the fandom) is for anyone who might suffer of ‘Parasocial Stan Larry/Anti syndrome’ to realize that it REALLY DOESN’T MATTER we don’t need to know every single thing or defend any rich popstar of their own doings. We need to enjoy music, touch grass, hydrate, talk to our loved ones and uplift the joy in our lives and fandoms, unlearn toxic behaviours and be kind. We can all be delusional, wrong, bigots, selfish, hedonist and parasocial, but the important thing is to identify our own bluff and stop it, to understand everyone does/believe things for a reason and it’s not our place for us to berate each other but to give space for possitive things (pride flags, respect for privacy, fan fiction [most say is deranged but ff is what keeps creativity and writing alive and honestly, is not harmful at all if we all follow the etiquette] ,fan projects, friendship bracelets, cute and respectful interactions, taking care of each other, accept we all have a space in the fandom and it’s not a race of ‘the best fan’).

[daily-stylinson]

Check out this 🧵

[td-rarepairs]

I feel like Trody or Trustin would be the td equivalent to Larry

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[persephoneflouwers]

First off i just want to say im not trying to play blame game, I just want to talk about a few things that is not really mainstream in larry fandom, I remember your thoughts about babygate and how it might be related to Harry’s level of visibility, what im thinking about situation surrounding Louis, his solo career, babygate and Harry is not that unsimilar to that line of thinking.

I think that Harry’s solo career is an extension of 1D project, he was the one that was chosen by big executives to appeal to the group of fans, which was huge in numbers so it would be waste for sony not to tap into that potential, the band managed to garner throughout the years. Sony created a new brand for those fans in a way that they wouldn’t be embarrassed to carry that brand into their new adult life which should be free from their teenage obsession so they heavily leaned into harry being inspired by rock legends at first (with a sprinkle of sex god harry) but it felt flat because the connection between harry and those legends didn’t go beyond critics calling harry fake (lol), and then they realized they needed to put in more work to this rock persona so they brought in the rockstar gf and amped up rumors about his sexuality bc the mystery around his ‘not so secret’ love life was a hook for many of those fans, i also wanna mention that imho harry is not contradicting himself and what his life is supposed to sell just to pat larries on the back in interviews, him saying i want privacy around my love life but we knowing every detail about all his relationships is playing right into that persona of rockstar that is caught in his love or him saying that these things wouldn’t happen for people like him is selling this fantasy of underdog coming from nothing and being everything to thousands of fans, people relate to that but the money they are spending on Harry is unparalleled and beyond that the power they have with media is nothing similar to any underdog quality having small artist could have. By the way im not saying that harry is undeserving of his highly publicized (and sometimes made of) achievements, im saying the work and money that go into it already guarantees this kind of ‘success’

Anyway i think this all kind of ties in how Louis has been struggling with industry-wide blackout all his solo career. Im just guessing but my life experience tells me that Sony wouldn’t let anything or anyone get in the way of millions of dollars they are getting through harry the brand and them, we all know that Louis is the biggest thread to that brand they have been supporting and creating, first they burdened him (and ancient/old/new larries or larrie narrative with babygate) and then they literally made it so that Louis could never the shadows (by the way the mystique around larry proved to big executives that people are intrigued by big stars having secrets or compassionate side that is willing to fight for their love and partners, so they were aware of the void harry’s solo career would have once louis was removed from the situation and they tried to create new larry in their own terms with xander and brad which is so laughable at best because you cant fake the genuine fight or love or yearning, not even proximity would warrant that as we can see with brad and breads lol)

So what is frustrating (to me) about this whole tattoo convo that some people are so hell-bent on minimizing what it really is -a dumb decision- because babygate is still going on as it involves a kid, it is morally fucked up situation on another level (while i agree with that i also question where was that energy when harry was letting olivia bring her kids to his show and his family was getting actively involved with those kids, he was publicly and very visibly inserted into their family situation as well.) Im just dumbfounded that some people bending backwards to give Harry a free pass for every questionable thing he does are somehow missing the fact that Louis’ involvement with babygate only doubled when Harry as a brand finally got the level of fame he or they wanted, im not saying some sony bighead are putting a weapon to louis’ head to say that you should be more hands-on father but they are playing a game of putting all the responsibilities -be it legally or verbally- on his shoulder.

Im sorry for talking your ear off in your asks but i wanted to get that out there even if only one person reads it and i realized i wrote in absolutes in terms of my writing but it is not because im trying to present my thoughts as the facts it is because i didn’t wanna put i think, i guess, i suppose at the beginning of every sentence i wrote to signal that these are my thoughts based on being involved with this fandom more than ten years and real life experiences.

I’ve been looking for someone to share this sort of opinions with all my life. I could have written this honestly, because it stands more or less where I stand with my takes on everything (especially the frontman push, the threatening larry rumours, the mega comeback of babygate coincidentally when Harry’s career has taken a turn for the sky). And I find very silly, very naive, very biased - three words that can easily describe this fandom - the opinion of those who say ‘babygate has nothing to do with larry’ or ‘babygate has nothing to do with Harry’.

I say the tattoo fiasco has been a wake up call for me, because it is a statement, a very dumb, very greedy, very mean - three words that can easily describe the people in the big picture- from Harry himself. It means he went full in for this stunt and from this there’s no coming back. And people will say it’s convenient and ambitious and they will also say they do what they can with their career, but you know… I don’t like these takes because there is a very fine line (pun intended) between ambition and ambiguity, because everybody and their mothers know that if you decided to get involved with the worst people in Hollywood you are not going to end up be a saint. OW being so close to H. W had always creeped me out, because look at how much organic success and organic achievements has brought to our beloved.

Anyway thank you for this very well articulated opinion. I’m sorry I’m only replying to this now. If you want to talk more, we can in private too :)

[zot3-flopped]

what is amy talking about? larries have a lot in common with trump and his followers. both groups are birthers, conspiracy theorists, hate women, hate science, think the media is lying to you 24/7, believe TPTB are in control of all the bad things that happen, distrust primary sources, cult-like following, etc. etc.

Points made 👏👏👏

[alarrytale]

Sony Music and Sony Entertainment are owned by the same corporation and it would reflect badly on all of it. I’m not saying that there’s no shitty business practices, or even that they’ve done unethical things, but the things that are being claimed Sony Music has done to Larry I don’t see how Louis and Harry could not easily sue over that. I’m no lawyer so I can’t fully but it is doubtful to me they can’t sue for say, being forcibly closeted or trying to pressure Louis into signing a birth certificate, etc. Coercing someone into doing these things is one thing and a whole other conversation, but doubtful to me they’re legally bound to do them.

Hi, anon!

I don't think i agree. I don't think people will stop going to a Sony produced movie, not buy PS5 or buy a Sony TV because Sony Music Entertainment forcibly closeted Harry Styles. They're all separate companies with the same owner, Sony. It's not like Sony is putting extra pressure on Harry if they don't sell enough TVs.

I've said many times before why H and L can't sue. They willingly signed a contract that states that Sony can do whatever it takes to make them big and earn them money. Sony own the names, likenesses, voices and personal histories of the 1D guys and everything they do while under a Sony contract, forever. Sony can use that material however they want, even if it's false, embarrassing or damaging. This is not illegal, as long as the guys signed it knowingly and willingly, and as long as Sony does it with the intention of furthering their careers and make them money. Sony's first right of refusal clause in all their recording contracts makes it so that Sony won't let anyone leave if they can match the offer from another label. They will never let Harry leave as long as they can control him like they already do and as long as he's profitable.

So if Sony says, Harry we're going to give you a womaniser image to make it look like you have sex appeal and make you attractive to women, and at the same time make people think you're straight, because out gay men don't appeal to het women who wants to marry you, Harry can't do shit about it. If they say, Harry you have to pretend to date CF to make you look like a womaniser and to create buzz for txf (she's under the same contract ans probably had little choice herself). People will watch the show if there is a scandalous relationship between you and CF, there is nothing he can do to say no. If he refuses he's in breach of contract, that he willingly signed, and will probably be banned from the music industry forever. Sony is powerful enough to do that. If he refuses they can ruin his image more. More damaging stories in the press. All press is good press. As long as it gives them attention and make people aware there's an album out, they can drag his name through the mud along with all of his family and friends.

If Sony says Louis, we will create a baby scandal around you to get attention on our new 1D album, make you look straight and make it look like you're not in a relationship with Harry, there is nothing L can do. Both L and H can try to bargain and trade off and say, no i'd rather fake date that person or do that instead, and Sony can say yes or no. Sony can also say, if you refuse to do this or that Louis we'll make Harry get engaged. Louis might then say, alright i'll do the baby scandal. Sony might later say, oh btw. Now that it's out that you're going to be a father, we've actually signed with that family and a baby is being born that you'll have to pretend is yours. And Louis will be shocked and in disbelief. It's already out that he's going to be a father, but he probably thought it would all end with a DNA test when the kid was born. Pretty sure he didn’t think he signed up for 10 years of playing a fake dad back in 2015, and how damaging that would end up being for his own solo career.

As long as Sony can prove that H and L signed these contracts willingly and that it's the best course of action to advance their careers and make them money, H and L won't have a case. It's not about right or wrong, it's about what's legally allowed or not. It's a corporation and Sony is treating H and L like corporations. They're a brand that needs to be protected. They've invested in said brand and expect returns on their investment. Using their control over their images, they indirectly control their closets and their public lives.

H and L (and the rest of the 1D guys) are legally bound to this contact saying Sony can do whatever they want. They signed it. Sony has played their cards so well that H and L are backed into a corner. Even if L isn't with Sony anymore, he isn't free of the consequences of what Sony made him do. He isn't getting radio play, he's still saddled with a fake baby and his boyfriend is still under Sony. I honestly think all of 1D are still under Sony, since they're on hiatus and not disbanded. I think Sony still controls their images, either directly under the 1D contract or indirectly though the image clause.

It's fine if you believe this isn't possible, but i think you are too unimaginative about how Sony can go about making this all happen and resulting in what we're witnessing today. I also think you are too hung up about things being illegal or legal, instead of looking at it as Sony having certain powers within the contract and them forcing H and L's hands by backing them up into a corner. If you think Sony is powerful, multiply it with ten.

[twopoppies]

Re your anon about why there are more Louies than Harries amongst Larries. I remember when it shifted cause it’s never been this way. Up until 2016 I would say. Harry was photographed with Jeff ‘during the solo contact signing’ and Freddie being born a view weeks after that. Many Larries saw the stark differences and blamed Harry for it. For getting signed by Azoff when everyone thought the band would be signed by Azoff and come back very soon. And then Harry getting to be MIA and work on his debut album and interviewing Paul McCartney. And louis with the baby and Danielle in LA. They thought Harry has all the freedom making hints and being a solo star and Louis is paying for that freedom and is taking the burden of their closet tenfold. Harry so selfish and Louis is selfless. And that kind of established itself in many Larries minds and many many Harrie Larries left the fandom. So what’s left is an huge amount / majority of Louies in the fandom. Most harries couldn’t take the constant skepticism and double standards re Harry anymore. E.g. Harry being papped = fame hungry, Jeff’s puppet, he’s changed and money hungry. Louis getting papped = smart businessman, fighting against his team to get more exposure, underdog and being sabotaged (stunt pics, pics of him w alcohol) etc. not the best example but yeah haha there’s probably more but that what’s comes to all when I reflect back on the 2017/2017 time hsjsjsjs

Yeah, I think you’re actually very right. That was also the rise of the rad Louies and a few very vocal ex-larries who really did their best to tear Harry down and paint him as the villain who tricked everyone so he could rise to the top. Honestly some of the shit I’ve read from these people is so vile. Anyway, I can’t say that’s definitely why there seem to be so many Louie larries here on Tumblr, but now that you remind me of all of that, I think that period caused a lot of harrie larries to either became solo stans or leave the fandom altogether.

[bciwasinlove]

Funny how BG was randomly ramped up all of a sudden and we were like why now ??? only for Elounor to officially break up LMAOO the timing can they make it more obvious shits fake ???

It's not like it means much since Louis isn't coming out yet until Harry is also able to but it is pretty funny BG was ramped up right before they decided by by to dog walker and hey this is a win I'll take it.

[policemanofprincesspark]

How come you have harry louis snarks? You don’t like their solo careers? Just curious

I love Harry's career. I like some of Louis's music. As people though? I'm real sick of their shit lol. Especially Louis, but he's been way past thin ice and straight into freezing water for me ever since the 180° flip he had in 2016—once you-know-who was born.

[tobethemselves]

Larry Timeline

January 2024

01.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

02.01.2024 Harry is in Anguilla / Louis is MIA [rumor of Louis flying to LA (stunt mention)]

03.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

04.01.2024 Harry is in Anguilla / Louis is in LA

05.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

06.01.2024 Harry is MIA [Rumor of Harry in LA (stunt mention)]/ Louis is MIA

07.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

08.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

09.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

10.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

11.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

12.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

13.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

14.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

15.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

16.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

17.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

18.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

19.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

20.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

21.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

22.01.2024 Harry is in London (tw stalking) / Louis is MIA

23.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA [Rumor of Louis arriving in Jakarta (x)]

24.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis’ show in Jakarta

25.01.2024 Pap Pics are released of Harry in London (stunt mention) / Louis is in Sydney

26.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is in Melbourne

27.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is in Melbourne (x/x)

28.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis’ show in Melbourne

29.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis is flying from Melbourne to Brisbane

30.01.2024 Harry is MIA / Louis’ show in Brisbane

31.01.2024 Pap Pics of Harry in London/ Louis is flying from Brisbane to Sydney

[nialls-gorgeous-colors]

Do all of the 1D boys challenge each other in their group chat to who can do the gayest thing next?