#gothic media

[can-of-w0rmz]

The Herr Englishman 🕯🦇

[mxmorbidmidnight]

The other day a friend asked me about the political ideals of goth and it has had me thinking and I have decided that goth in its nature is art.

It values the creation of art without societal constraints and bigoted ideals that restrict true creation. Exploring and learning to love what is considered macabre or morbid. As an offshoot of punk it is about escaping the restraint of filtering the aspects of oneself in order to not be disturbing to our society. It’s about throwing everything out to the world whether that be alternative music, poetry or prominent eyeliner.

Goth music and literature explores deep emotional expression through guttural and gory imageries, dark sound and human fear, its about acknowledging what frightens us in order to create and be in full trueness.

Bigotry is against the nature of goth as true art is created when all people can be a part of it as who they truly are. That is why I think a person cannot be racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexiest or any other kind of discriminatory and also be goth. It goes against what goth is built off and what it represents

Goth holds many of the same political views as punk, however I find by seeing the recurring themes and messages in goth media, literature and music it centres around identity and therefore art in all trueness, regardless of how society reacts or whether it is frightening. That and copious amounts of melodrama.

(Let me know your thoughts, these are just my observations).

[strawberryraviegutz]

Ok…I’m probably gonna get attacked/mocked for this but I need to vent for a min..

Has the gothic literature/gothic media community also been so…rude/pretentious?/gen

Because in a post of my short review of the Nosferatu 2024 film I said that I liked the movie and thought it was amazing, but that the whole thing with Orlok meeting Ellen as a child made me a bit iffy and I already have 2 anons come at me for it accuseimg me of hating the movie when it’s the exact opposite.

I’ve also seen ppl on Twitter, tumblr and other platforms basically make fun of ppl who didn’t like that Orlok met Ellen as a kid or straight up saying that what Orlok did wasn’t grooming. Yes Ellen did want Orlok when she called out to him due to loneliness but that doesn’t make it right, yes the movie isn’t about grooming but idc. She still was literally a child.

Which like yeah the whole dynamic between Ellen and Orlok is supposed to be horrible/terrifying, but if that’s the case then why are you getting mad at and making fun of ppl who’re horrified about it??

“Take your sensitive ass back to Hotel Transylvania”

Uh what’s wrong with Hotel Transylvania?? Why are you bringing up and shitting on a kids movie to prove a point???

Ppl have a right to feel uncomfortable about things especially if it involves grooming. And yes gothic literature/media does have some of this type of stuff in some stories and I know that there’s nuance to gothic media/literature but that doesn’t mean grooming is ok?? Also just because someone rightfully didn’t like the fact that Orlok and Ellen met when she was a child doesn’t mean that they’re pro purity culture??

I’ve also seen ppl making fun of others for not finding Orlok attractive and making fun of others who like conventionally attractive vampires like from twilight and or anime(even tho these are the same ppl who also simp for some of the characters from Interview with a vampire) not to mention others shitting on vampire media with romance plots and or different Dracula stories that involved romance too.

Plus conventionally attractive vampires within gothic media have been around for decades and maybe even centuries and they don’t “ruin the vampire genre”. ALL vampire archetypes are valid whether they be the “ugly” type or the conventionally attractive/humanoid type. Same goes for monster/nonhuman characters in general. I personally like a mix of both.

Ppl shouldn’t be made fun of, ridiculed, nor called “cowards” for having preferences in FICTIONAL non human creatures that don’t even exist.(This is also one of the reasons why I don’t rlly associate with the label monster fucker anymore cuz yall will go after anyone who doesn’t wanna fuck creatures like the xenomorph). Why can’t we just let ppl enjoy things???

It sucks cuz I’ve been obsessed with vampires ever since I was a little girl and while I did/do like pink cutesy stuff I also liked horror and gothic stuff as a kid too and I still do now. I want to get into more gothic literature I may like but after seeing all these mean/awful ppl in the community I’m kinda having second thoughts(I may get into more gothic media/literature either way but still).

Idk man I just wanted to voice my thoughts about a cool gothic vampire movie that had one of my favorite actors in it and wanted to see how the 2024 rendition of Orlok looked(which I liked as well btw tho didn’t know how to feel about the mustache. I know it’s supposed to be historically accurate and all but still) especially since an actor I rlly liked was playing as him. I’m tired…

[basilsbestpainting]

Saltburn is like if Wuthering Heights fucked up relationship dynamics hate fucked with The Picture of Dorian Gray's internalized homophobia to get a modern Gothic tale that'll live rent free in my head forever

[positively--speculative]

I can see in a future season of IWTV Daniel interviewing Lestat about the domestic violence in s1e5 and this whole thing being set up where Lestat is telling his side and things are coming to that part. Daniel asks a couple of questions regarding that specific event and it plays out something like this:

'And you say you loved him?'

'I *do* love him.'

'And I suppose you're going to tell me that the events of that night didn't exactly play out the way Louis said.'

'Oh, no Louis was forthcoming about that. The events played out exactly as he said they did.'

And I see it happening this way because as I've said before, the gothic genre of storytelling is not meant to validate a desire for uncomplicated answers to questions as to what something as complex as *love* is. Love can be kind but it can also be cruel, and the gothic genre forces us to be confronted with that disturbing reality. A bad person like Lestat can still feel emotions like love and *still* be a bad person. The idea is *supposed* to be uncomfortable.

The desire some in the fandom have (especially white fans) for the abuse to be retconned shows a misunderstanding for the gothic genre. Gothic stories teach us that both of these things can be true: A person can be in love with someone and hurt that same person *intentionally.* The fact that Louis takes him back is a part of what makes the story disturbing. Their love story isn't supposed to be simple. A simple, uncomplicated story simply does not belong in this genre.

[prettyboyprettyeyes]

Movies i wanna watch

the craft

sleepy hallow

sweeny todd

edward scissorhands

interview with the vampire

pans labyrinth

dead poets society

maid and nancy

bram stokers dracula

queen of the damned

the crow

the witches of eastwick

labyrinth

suburban gothic

the oxford murders

the virgin suicides

crimson peak

death becomes her

devils advocate

mary shelley’s frankenstein

the man in the iron mask

Irma Vep

[gothicseverance]

Film does not have the same Gothic potential as television, precisely because of the finite time period for a film. A film must end, while a television series has a seemingly infinite potential to continue telling the story and to continue multiplying meanings.

—Twin Peaks and the Television Gothic

[horrible-horrible-hawk]

planning a frankenstein movie post for soon,, we finished it today and holy shit. amazing

[talesfromthecrypts]

I get so frustrated by "yeah make vampires scary again" stuff every time a vampire movie has a "monster" vampire (Nosferatu, Voyage of the Demeter, etc). It reeks of an attitude that thinks all horror is about something being ugly and horrifying on the outside. If you can't see the horror in Interview With the Vampire, or a Jean Rollin film, or The Hunger, or Carmilla, or the vampire sections of Baldur's Gate because they are attractive that is absolutely an issue on your end. There is such a rich well of themes to dig into with horror and vampires, especially where sex and romance are concerned, but people are so desperate to separate romance and horror. The despair of being frozen as a child even while your mind matures, the loneliness of an eternity alone, the terror of eternal hunger that can't be sated, the awful seduction by something beautiful but monstrous. Trying to turn vampires into just any other monster doesn't make them more horrifying, its just a more kind of overt horror that can only be done so many times and is often covered better by other monsters.

[can-of-w0rmz]

Pov you repeatedly find cool sounding modern “gothic” media only to find out it’s really shit overly edgy 13-year-old’s-Wattpad-story level shit that romanticises suicide and mental illness “depression and self harm is quirky and everyone else with a mental illness is crazy” style instead of commentating on and delving into it and exploring the darkest elements of the human condition through romanticism without presenting them as a good thing or gatekeeping who has it worse:

[marzipanandminutiae]

why be the gothic ingenue when you can be the overly invested lesbian caretaker

Mrs. Dudleycore

Mrs. Danverscore

Lucille Sharpecore

[circslai]

[evydraws]

"It seemed as if the whole, awful creature were simply gorged with blood; he lay like a filthy leech, exhausted with his repletion."

Bram Stoker's Dracula | portfolio | prints

[positively--speculative]

You know, now that I'm thinking about it, another piece of media that threw me when it came to the subject of love was The Ring. Like, I saw that movie for the first time when I was 13, and I could not put my finger on why it stuck with me and made me deeply unsettled beyond the obvious horror.

But in recent years, I kind of figured it out. It was because Samara loved her adoptive mother, Anna, but still placed those horrible images in her head and killed her horses who she loved. I always felt sorry for Samara and that's the scary part. Samara was literally a "bad kid" who couldn't be saved with love.

I feel like IWTV gives me similar feelings, but with a different kind of love. Lestat loves Louis but still hurts him intentionally similar to how Samara loves her mother but hurts her intentionally. And both Louis and Anna make reluctant attempts to murder the ones they love to be free, because killing who they love is the only way they feel they can be free.

[inkyami]

Something wicked this way comes

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