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lmao @ this reblog “calling me out” and then blocking me despite apparently beforehand nearly deciding not to quietly block & report me instead of that giant wall of useless text like… i honestly didn’t know how to react/respond initially other than “holy shit dude that’s crazy” and then laugh incredulously but here we go since i’m petty:
first, this is a burner blog i made a week ago maximum and it only has 5 posts (excluding this one) so i’m not sure what you think you’re accomplishing here since i could & would just make another one and repost it all again? i’m under the impression that what would actually happen is the original posts themselves as well as any reblogs get taken down rather than the overall blogs themselves, but if i’m wrong then see above lol.
second, my bad for trying to genuinely, helpfully inform you that unfortunately many others out there don’t have the capacity to realize that you are not an anti and/or won’t read the entire post before assuming. this in turn might hurt your own community since stolitz stans may want to protect themselves from even potentially reading something they consider hurtful and therefore not wasting time by risking it. in fact you just proved my point by reacting and attempting to keep yourself safe from, what, leaks that were hidden behind an active choice to click? i as an individual don’t care that you like that ship so i wasn’t here to harass you or whatever. i didn’t think anything of you for it, that’s not why i spoke up.
third, clearly some people don’t understand “don’t like, don’t engage/read/watch/etc.” especially if you already know the content will upset you! also this large & loud fandom has never learned to keep controversial things on the down-low and ignore it in order to avoid gaining too much attention and inadvertently advertising it to people who otherwise wouldn’t know, but what else can i expect when y’all worship your annoying lord and savior ayylmao? so congrats on opening up the chance for someone to stumble upon your unnecessarily massive post and wanting to take a peek! you can’t control your followers/lurkers so that would be hilarious!
by the way, if you somehow do end up finding what my other hellaverse-critical blog is then… okay that’s fine. it’s not very big and it’d be disappointing if attacked but not a big deal. like i said, it’s easy to move & remake. hate to tell the truth but you do not have the power you wish you had here.
#hellaverse critical#anti hellaverse#hazbin hotel critical#anti hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel leaks#hazbin leaks#fandom receipts#stan receipts#callout culture
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So Chris and Eddie did not have to wear “VISITOR” badges when they went to see Buck after the lightning incident in S6…
…Buck also did not have to wear a “VISITOR” badge when he went to see Eddie after the shooting (both times)…
…but here we have Mr Canon Boyfriend with his “VISITOR” badge (Eddie was not wearing a badge in this scene either) 😌😌😌
Make of this what you will 🤷🏻♂️
#when i say something i bring receipts#suck on THAT#i will die on the buddie hill#never closing on buddie#buddie#evan buckley#eddie diaz#911 on fox#911 show#911 fox#buckley diaz family#911 spoilers#911 on abc#911#911onfox#911 fandom#911 fic#911 abc#911 s8#911 discourse
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Cellbit: Yeah, [Bobby is] our son.
Roier: What?
Cellbit: He's our son, no? Or not? Am I not?
Roier: I mean… he's already dead. [...] By the time we got married, he was no longer around. So in theory, in theory-
Cellbit: But in my heart, he is my son.
Roier: Oh, that's fine, in your heart, yes. In your heart, yes. But actually-
Cellbit: He could have been my son, he could have been.
Roier: But actually, he is my son and Jaiden’s.
Cellbit: Yes yes, definitely, of course.
Roier: [Smacks him] Exactly. Well, you're the step-father, you know?
[ Full Transcript ↓ ]
Cellbit: Hey Tina, have you met Bobby? I don't think you did, right?
Tina: I met him a little bit earlier, he's so cute!
Roier: Aww
Tina: I told him I like StarBobby.
Cellbit: Yeah, it's our son.
Roier: What? But-
Cellbit: He's our son, no? Or not? Am I not?
Roier: I mean... he's already dead.
Cellbit: That's true, that's true.
Roier: By the time we got married, he was no longer around.
Cellbit: That's true, true.
Roier: So in theory, in theory-
Cellbit: But in my heart, he is my son.
Roier: Oh, that's fine, in your heart, yes. In your heart, yes. But actually-
Bagi: Am I the auntie?
Cellbit: He could have been my son, he could have been.
Roier: But actually, he is my son and Jaiden’s.
Cellbit: Yes yes, definitely, of course.
Roier: [Smacks him] Exactly. Well, you're the step-father, you know?
Bagi: So I don't think I'm your auntie, sorry. Unless you want to!
Cellbit: Yes, fake dad, fake dad. Fake father.
Roier: But it's ok. It's ok.
Cellbit: It's ok, it's ok.
Roier: It's this dumbass' fault he died anyways.
#Roier#Cellbit#Guapoduo#Bobby#QSMP#Saw people straight up lying about what they said during this exchange so this is just me slapping down the receipts#Roier's right though! At that point in time he and Cellbit weren't married nor did they have that kind of relationship#If Bobby hadn't died maybe Cellbit COULD'VE been some kind of guardian to him#But Bobby is; and has always been; Roier and Jaiden's son#As a side note#With how involved Roier is in fandom stuff#I'm sure he's seen how frequently Jaiden gets left out and/or replaced with Cellbit in family art#So whether this is his gentle reminder to fans or just him establishing a boundary in a relationship: Roier is based#And it's a disservice to his and Cellbit's characters to take their words out of context and/or purposefully misinterpret them#Cellbit understood where Roier was coming from and explained how he saw things#(''I could've been'' ''in my heart'' etc.)#and Roier explained his perspective#(''We weren't married yet'' ''He was already dead by then'' ''Jaiden and I are his parents'')#Communication is the foundation to any good relationship!#and Guapoduo do it well. Usually#The fandom could learn a thing or two from QSMP; aka ''Communications SMP''#Bagi in the background going ''I'm an auntie? :D'' then ''oh no I'm not your auntie'' then ''Haha UNLESS?'' is so funny
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One of my cosplay traits - which extends to home decor - is to insert little details for whom I am the primary (if not only) audience, but nonetheless (I hope) inject a sense of authenticity into my projects, if not necessarily that of screen-accuracy.
And that is why an envelope of genuine business receipts from the 1940s recently arrived (Crow was very perplexed by the customs declaration), just so I could stuff one or two (which you can barely see in the back) into Siegfried's accounting system. 😅
Please take a look at the ones I did not use, some stellar ephemera here:
#ephemera#acgas 2020#i hope y'all aren't tired of my little niche by now#my weird house#i gave siegfried a receipt for tobacco lol#it feels complete now#not sure what I'll do with the rest but they are fun to look at#i love ephemera#the pound and shilling notes are replicas fyi#they need a little mussying up but are fine for now#stuff like this isn't very expensive it just took a bit of hunting to make sure the lot was from England and not the States#I don't write much fic but I do enjoy environmental and costume storytelling as my fandom contributions#that and sourcing stuff
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I think the cardinal sin of fandom discourse is the equating of meaningless fan bullshit with actual genuine violent crimes. Like no, someone shipping the Winchesters together and someone being arrested for sexual assault are not the same thing, do not mention them in the same callout post, it just makes your argument sound fucking stupid.
Like, to give the specific example that inspired this post, I'm working on a video essay about Homestuck^2, and one of the former writers for that comic, Kate Mitchell, is despised by most of the Homestuck fanbase for various reasons. I have seen accusations for everything from transphobia to racism to child molestation, almost always without any source whatsoever. Some of the reasons people dislike her are probably genuine, just based on the sheer number of posts claiming different things, but I can't verify any of it, meaning I don't trust it enough to mention it in a video.
Except, there is one tumblr post, that gives a lengthy list of crimes, then has a link to an imgur post containing dozens of receipts. But, the moron who made this post fucked up, and instead of including dozens of images, only included a single screenshot, where Mitchell says "I don't think Gamzee Makara is a very compelling villain. I don't think his misogyny is charming and I think finding him sympathetic requires misreading the comic."
Do you see the problem here? Do you see the contrast between what is claimed and the evidence that supports that claim? Like I was promised evidence of transphobia, and I was given evidence of disliking a webcomic character, which to this fandom-brained tumblr is indistinguishable.
Is Kate Mitchell a bad person? Fuck if I know! Because the only post to include receipts decided the most heinous crime was disliking a villain from a webcomic, which means I do not trust a single other claim they make. Like that post also lists "Drove multiple people to suicide" and "Thinks Vriska Serket is a good person" in the same fucking set of bullet points. Pick your fucking battles and leave the fandom bullshit at the door when there are actual serious issues to discuss
#fandom discourse#homestuck 2#gamzee makara#beyond canon#homestuck#rant#this is not an invitation to send receipts i dont actually care
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“it’s bucktommys who are the toxic ones and ruining the fandom”
is that so? oh look at these.
or maybe these on tiktok
or perhaps comments left under lou’s own posts?
oh maybe these comments under a completely non-911 related tweet from an account that just posts mlm gifs? (btw, they posted a bwdd!e gif right after...I wonder why)
if you want to try and turn the mass hate behavior onto us, at least bring receipts.
and btw, your lord and savior Oliver Stark does NOT fuck with you.
#fandom discourse#at least the bucktommy side keeps fucking receipts#I'm not the only person to make a post full of the insane behavior#im truly sick of the blame being shifted onto us somehow#for everyone 1 toxic bucktommy shipper there's 100 toxic bongos#and don't even try to fucking deny#if the official accounts are being made to filter out YOUR comments for spamming hate and not ours#fuck right off
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is this a good time to say that I’ve actually been working on a vampire! Yaz x vampire hunter! Sammy fic for like. a few weeks now
#Proof the Camp Cretaceous fandom is just one big hive mind#I literally can’t make this shit up either I have the receipts I promise#I’m finishing all the chapters first bc I honest to god would not be able to finish otherwise I SWEAR ITS COMING SOON#jwct#camp cretaceous#jurassic world chaos theory#jwcc#chaos theory#sammy gutierrez#yasmina fadoula#yasammy
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Sometimes it floors me how anyone could look at bkdk and not see how blatantly romantic it is at its core. Their entire backstory hinges around that one time Katsuki couldn’t take Izuku’s hand. They are so canonically obsessed with each other that they are each other’s motivation, support, validation, reason for doing just about anything. The way they look at each other is so obscene with longing and awe that it frankly belongs in a period romance. One of them literally died thinking about the other. They each need the other to survive so badly that they are willing to sacrifice themselves (Katsuki) and everyone else (Izuku) in order to make it happen.
They are canonically written to be two halves of the same heroic whole. How often is the narrative foil also the romantic partner? How often is the dual lead??? In every way they deserve to be romantic partners, they are literally written to be perfect complements of each other
#bkdk#bakudeku#mha spoilers#bnha spoilers#I am not saying it doesn’t work platonically. it does#it works so hard platonically#but if one of them was female the entire fandom would be shipping them#I know that’s not a hot take these days but it still astounds me#I still believe people should ship what makes them happy#but when people come at bkdks we have canon receipts#¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hello, @crazykuroneko i am gonna need the receipts of all this (x).
Is the 1st point one of this (1) (2) or is another OP? bc it seems more than one person in that event saw that.
If it is, then you just need to find the rest.
#jam reiderson#sam reid#jacob anderson#interview with the vampire#iwtv#i swear i never saw the last 2 points#(but i am also in the fandom since summer even tho i watched the show in 2023)#so i need the sources to post here#i hope someone find the receipts
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If you want to be bothered. Maybe this for dick and Bruce???
i ALWAYS want to be bothered these are always the highlight of my day tbh you're a delight for letting me just yap <3
Dick. For the canon isn't real square I am Specifically talking about the Tom Taylor Nightwing run. Usually I ignore bad runs but given this one is ongoing (though about to end THANK GOD and get replaced by Dan Watters who i have high hopes for since i adored his Sword of Azrael (2022) run but i digress) so I counted it. Especially since it's so debated if that run is bad or not, for some reason. I'm a 90s Nightwing truther. I love Dick so dearly and tbh recently I've been more enamored with him the more I read his Discowing era, I didn't used to be as big of a Dick stan as I am these days.
Bruce. Honestly where do you even start with Bruce. I want to fist fight him and also patch him up. He got me into comics and superheroes as a whole but I roll my eyes whenever he shows up in a story. He's a bastard and usually not a good father but also complex and should be dissected under a magnifying glass. I love him dearly. He's also just the worst. I think that's why I love him. I'm always a fan of unabashedly Complicated Asshole Bruce who's generally not always the best person, particularly not to the Batfamily and that being the driving force of his relationships with them, especially in shipping.
And for bonus points, Tim. Because know above all else, I'm a Tim Drake kinnie /deg. He's been my number one for a decade and I've yet to uproot him from my brain. He's literally the Worst half the time and I love him for it. And the canon isn't real refers to Tim Drake: Robin because... that sure was a comic. And that's about all I can say about it. Pre-Flashpoint Tim I miss you so dearly. I think it's fun that I want to put him in a blender and drink the juice but also want Nothing Ever to happen to him.
#necrotic answerings#batcest#bruce wayne#dick grayson#tim drake#fandom tag#anyway the fandom is i guess mean to all of them#but like it's deserving.#everytime i meet a tim anti i'm like you're SO right. he's the worst. pls hate his ass more.#same with bruce. like never met a bruce anti who didn't have endless receipts for hating his ass.#(except for those using the shallow 'he's a billionaire beating up the mentally ill' argument which. i ignore)#(bc why are you. consuming superhero content if you just don't like or understand the genre. it's lazy pseudointellectual nonsense.)#and i don't think ppl are truly mean to dick. i think they just don't understand him.#which extends to the entire batfamily bc well. the state of the fandom and all.#like “everyone else is wrong about them” isn't in a “no one gets them but me” way#(except about tim truly no one gets him but me /j)#it's in a “oh y'all just want to fit them into neat boxes don't you” way#one more person call dick grayson “eldest daughter core” and i'm going to your house and eating the stuffing out all of your pillows.#first of all can we stop calling male characters “female coded” in any way please#women exist in comics too.#second of all it's just not true? and it's not the complex he has with bruce nor his “siblings” if you wish to call them that#and then bruce. where do you even start.#you dare say you think it's in character for bruce to hit his kids and *SOCIETY. society goes wild.*#like ofc it has to be in specific contexts. he's not just swinging.#and sometimes it *is* written very OOC bc bruce is written as a machismo self insert i give you that#but yeah a soldier who views his children as soldiers and has zero healthy emotional regulation or communication skills#is gonna sometimes swing in his worst moments. it is just how the superhero genre works everyone is gonna fist fight to solve problems.#why are you reading comics about ppl who hit other ppl for a living if you don't like it when they hit ppl.#also random hot take about dick's characterization#the young justice tv show did incredible damage to ppl's perception of him and i dislike the take it's the best adaptation of him
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Understanding Stan Marsh: A Character Analysis and Response to Fandom Mischaracterization (Writing Depression/Addiction Responsibly):
I’m sure a similar analysis exists - but I haven’t found it so I wanted to make it. I’ve seen similar analyses about Wendy with her intelligence/tendency to serve as a villain in things like Style fics and Kenny with his own addiction as well as lower-class designations, which absolutely should exist. But I haven’t seen any about Stan in the same sense despite issues I’ve seen in fandom about his characterization and either blatantly disregarding and misunderstanding what depression is/or/trying to further their specific shipping agenda such as Kyman. And I think it’s finally time we fucking talk about it. This is due to me noticing a prolific increase in the ‘Stan Marsh is an asshole’ tag on AO3.
The Problem of Character Flanderization
Character flanderization (the tendency to focus only on a character's weaknesses) has always existed in fanworks, but the current treatment of Stan Marsh reveals a particularly troubling trend in how mental health and addiction are portrayed. This isn't about calling out specific creators - many (even most) write Stan beautifully, even in ships like Kyman. Rather, this analysis addresses a broader pattern of mischaracterization that does a disservice not only to his character but to real people struggling with similar issues.
Please note this analysis is not directed at any particular creator at all! I see SO many good characterizations of Stan, even in Kyman fics (I’d argue a lot of them do!). But I also see very unfair portrayals of him in some fics which at the end of the day show a complete disregard to addiction/depression and ignore his good traits in favor of furthering their own agenda. I’M NOT OKAY with this, and I think it’s time we talk about this as a fandom.
This trend often manifests in two primary ways:
Depression Mischaracterization:
Some of fandom's handling of Stan's depression reveals a profound misunderstanding of clinical depression that goes beyond simple character misinterpretation. The "You're Getting Old/Ass Burgers" arc isn't just about Stan being "negative" or "selfish" - it's one of television's most authentic portrayals of how depression manifests in young people. Stan doesn't CHOOSE to see everything as shit; his brain chemistry literally alters his perception of reality. This isn't character weakness - it's a medical condition that he fights against while still trying to maintain his relationships and sense of self.
What many fanworks miss is that depression often coexists with deep empathy and care for others. In fact, Stan's depression might partly stem from how deeply he feels things - his awareness of environmental destruction, animal cruelty, and societal hypocrisies. He continues to fight for causes he believes in and protect those he loves even while struggling to find meaning in his own life. That's not selfishness - it's remarkable resilience. The show demonstrates this complexity brilliantly: even at his very lowest points, Stan still:
Tries to maintain his friendship with Kyle despite literally seeing him as shit
Continues to stand up for what he believes in when he realistically thinks it can make an impact
Attempts to understand and help others, even when he can barely help himself
Fights desperately to stay present in a world that has lost its color and meaning
When fanworks reduce Stan's depression to mere selfishness or use it as a convenient plot device to make him the villain, they not only mischaracterize Stan but potentially harm readers struggling with similar issues. They send the message that depression makes someone unworthy of friendship or love - exactly the opposite of what people with depression need to hear.
Alcoholism Mischaracterization:
Stan's relationship with alcohol deserves particular attention because it's portrayed with a nuance rarely seen in either animation or fanworks. The show presents a complex web of factors that contribute to Stan's relationship with alcohol:
First, there's the genetic component - Stan comes from a family with clear predisposition to addiction, particularly through Randy. But crucially, Stan never sought out alcohol on his own. He was introduced to it by adults who should have protected him, making his initial exposure a betrayal of trust rather than a character flaw.
What makes Stan's arc so powerful is how it captures the insidious nature of functional alcoholism. He discovers that alcohol makes an unbearable world bearable - it literally changes how he sees things from "shit" back to normal. STAN HAS NEVER EVER BEEN ABOUT getting drunk for fun; it's always been about self-medication to seem 'normal' to others in response to genuine mental health struggles. The show demonstrates how someone can be both struggling with addiction and highly competent - a reality many fanworks seem unable to grasp.
Even in the "bad timeline" of the Post-Covid episodes, Stan maintains his fundamental characteristics and ability to function. He becomes what's known as a "functional alcoholic" - not because this is healthy, but because it reflects a tragic reality that those who seem most adjusted often hide the deepest struggles. He learns exactly how much alcohol makes him functional versus dysfunctional, developing the kind of careful management that allows many real-life individuals with addiction to hide in plain sight.
When fanworks reduce this complex portrayal to "pathetic or asshole drunk Stan," they miss the point entirely. They ignore:
The environmental factors that led to his alcohol use
The relationship between his depression and self-medication
The reality that addiction often coexists with high functionality
And especially, and something I think a lot of you need to fucking understand - the way addiction can stem from trying to feel normal rather than trying to get high. Stan never ever tries to feel ‘high’ or even drunk. He ALWAYS is just trying to feel fucking NORMAL.
This oversimplification doesn't just do a disservice to Stan's character - it perpetuates harmful stereotypes about addiction that make it harder for real people to seek help.
Stan's Core Character Traits
Stan consistently demonstrates practical morality alongside emotional depth. His quiet leadership often goes unnoticed - he's frequently the instigator of group plans alongside Cartman, but without the manipulation or need for credit. His relationship with Wendy shows realistic pre-teen awkwardness while maintaining genuine care and respect. These aren't the traits of a "simp" or an "asshole" - they're the complex characteristics of a well-written character dealing with real challenges.
Just rewatch the show for evidence of this - Stan at the same level of Cartman instigates things. And at the same level of Kyle, he tends to do it for the greater good of society. He’s just not as attributed to his actions because he’s naturally more quiet about it than both Kyle and Cartman are.
TLDR- /Mental Health and Responsiblity in Writing:
The show's handling of Stan's mental health offers a masterclass in nuanced characterization that many fanworks ignore. His depression and struggles with alcohol aren't plot devices - they're part of a larger narrative about growing up in a world that often doesn't make sense. Writing Stan as a "pathetic drunk" or "selfish depressive" isn't just bad characterization - it's potentially harmful to readers who share these struggles
His depression on the actual show is shown as a legitimate struggle, not a character flaw
His relationship with alcohol is portrayed as functional and carefully managed - something maybe some of you would be surprised to learn that some of the most functional folks in your life actually are pretty good at hiding. Stan in his depression arc is ultimately meant to be shown as someone who is a ‘functional’ alcoholic rather than a ‘dysfunctional’ one. That’s not to say it’s healthier to be functional. But it’s ultimately the whole point of that goddamn arc - that even those who seem the most well-adjusted may be hiding a more sinister addiction. So I don’t really see the fucking point of writing Stan as someone who is so alcoholic to the point that it fucks up his entire life.
The Shipping Problem
The rise of ships like Kyman often comes with an unnecessary cost: the villainization of Stan. This ignores the show's complex web of relationships - Stan's deep friendship with Kyle doesn't need to be erased or twisted to explore other relationships. The best Kyman fics prove this by maintaining Stan's character integrity while exploring new dynamics. Additionally, Stan's relationships with other characters, particularly his often-overlooked friendship with Kenny, deserve more attention and respect in fanworks.
Complex relationships can be written without villainizing other characters like Stan
Good Kyman fics prove you can write the ship while maintaining Stan's character integrity.
Both Kyle and Stan canonically view each other as super best friends and equals- and this is because they literally ARE equals, even in a moral sense. Neither of them is better than the other. They have a deep connection to each other. Any fic written about either of them HAS to accurately represent this without making Stan to be a primarily weak selfish villain. This is so incredibly unfair to Stan’s character, and a massive representation of him. Same if it’s vice versa for a fic for Stan misrepresenting Kyle (though I’ll be honest - I far more often see Stan as misrepresented in recent works as a selfish asshole over Kyle).
When writing Stan, consider:
His actions, even negative ones, should stem from established character traits
His struggles with mental health and substance use should be treated with nuance and care. Writing him as an asshole or complete loser (he can be a lil bit of a lovingly designated loser lol) is a slap in the face to those who do function quite well in the real world but with this particular struggle of depression and addiction. Don’t ignore Stan's many strengths, such as adjusting well to things in the moment both physically and intellectually. (He absolutely can be dumb about some things to the extent that it's humorous, but he is not actually dumb - he consistently shows some of the most complex critical thinking in the entire show, even compared to Kyle. And it makes no sense to disregard this aspect of his character.)
His relationships with other characters should reflect their canonical complexity.
If writing him as antagonistic, ensure it serves character development rather than plot convenience.
Stan deserves better than reductive characterization. His struggles with mental health and addiction make him more relatable, not less worthy of respect. Writers who reduce him to his lowest moments not only do a disservice to a complex character but potentially harm readers who see their own battles reflected in his story. We can and should do better - both for Stan and for each other. He is literally meant to be written as the person most relatable to general society, after all.
#south park#stan marsh#kyle broflovski#kenny mccormick#holy shit tumblr made this way more difficult than it should've been to format lmao#alcoholism#depression#writing responsibly#serious post#clinical depression#sp kyman#sp style#sp k2#character analysis#south park meta#south park fanfiction#k2#style#kyman#sp fandom#mental health#leave stan marsh alone 2025#i think i found a whale to save while writing this#stan deserves better and i have receipts#no i will not take criticism of this post as i really think stan can and should be respefectfully treated in any ship such as k2 or kyman#wendy testaburger liked this post#kyle would write a speech about this#cartman would say this post is too long and then secretly read it twice#kenny absolutely agrees with this post okay- he's much closer to stan than some of ya'll seem to notice#*throws fire at anyone who reduces stan to his struggles*
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I talked about this already to some extent. But let’s round it up. Because there’s new DA people and I’m v tired but also invested at this point.
Also there’s a broader point here. Several tbh.
When people are kind of flailing around looking for the source of problems with a piece of media, particularly an unchallenging piece of media, and resorting to a shallow set of ‘criticisms’ that gesture at real issues, often there are fundamental flaws in said piece of media. They’re just being misidentified to the point of nonsense.
When something is by all metrics genuinely well done AND spectacular in execution, you do not get this. You get straightforwardly stupid people crying about Atreus acting like a child. You get transparently bigoted or immature people whining about Ellie or Joel having coherent arcs.
When something is by most metrics competently written but lacking in execution in multiple ways AND it makes ‘representation’ a selling point. It’s gonna get both column 1 and column 2 in force. This makes everything very loud and very stupid forever. I refuse to be held captive by that so I will keep talking about real things. Because in column 1 there’s an attempt to get at the actual problems, just without the needed vocabulary and experience.
And yes there’s overlap in column 1 & 2. I call it the clown show. That’s just not everything that’s happening.
The actual problems in Veilguard are the problems with BioWare as a whole. And mostly they have to do with motivation and ethics. Anyone who wants to seriously understand what’s gone so terribly wrong with every game release since Origins needs to reckon with this.
This company refuses to consistently define its storytelling values within the game world/s beyond ‘yay friendship’ and ‘trauma sad’. This is why the use of sexual violence in origins is there to shock 12 year olds. If that game were well written and actually meant for mature adults, sexual violence would just be one bad thing that can happen* to people (and if it were weighted towards women, we’d have clearly defined patriarchal systems and sexism that, again, is not there for laughs or shock value) and there would be some actual grasp of psychology and power in the text in general. This is also why people are reducing an attempt at actual mythic storytelling with Mythal to ‘abusive mother’ ‘trauma sad’. These games as texts invite reduction.
That psychology? Utterly lacking for the most part. And not lacking in the way of a story that’s doing something else. Lacking because the text willfully uses shorthand and assumed empathy** from the audience instead of laying bare the actual human motivations*** behind everything. Individual characters rise above this, and all the characters give hints of it, but that’s not the same as actually writing a story that accounts for real human motivations as part of its larger narrative. Characters in truly robust fiction are supportive functions of the larger narrative, and that narrative has clear priorities founded on strong values.****
The damn audience. These games are written for a specific audience. And that audience is really racist and pretty self indulgent. It doesn’t care about motivation. It thinks Varric is an interesting character who isn’t written like a checklist. It’s happy as long as it gets to smash its dolls together. It also likes to send death threats. This audience is an abstracted boogeyman in the writers room as far as I can tell, and it’s stealing all the motivation.
Cannot believe this site has pushed me to actually say this. It’s liberal! These are distinctly liberal games. They cannot and will not say anything truly meaningful because their whole ethos is built on pretending they’re not conservative (an ethos defined by retreat). This is why the subversion of power fantasy in DA is interesting but can ring hollow. It’s incoherent for a reason! It’s not looking its values in the eye. This is also why ME2 remains distinct. Turns out it’s easier for liberals to write villains pretending to be heroes. Take that as you will.
I’m not really interested in talking about how corny Bioware dialogue has always been. It’s always been corny. There’s actual voice direction problems in Veilguard that add a layer of technical problems to this, and that’s a bit more interesting, if frustrating to experience. This is why people are reaching for when they say ‘clunky’. I’m also not really interested in the structural issues. Which are there. Because there’s fewer structural issues in Veilguard than in any previous BioWare game. Most of these complaints are coming from people who have apparently let time soften them on how poorly built the other games are. Again. These are real problems people are flailing at with reductive takes. They’re also on brand for BioWare.
So that whole mess up there? That’s what’s going on. It’s what’s going on with the games and the actual real life audience constantly being at each others throats. It’s what’s going on with expectations and weird takes and the usual clown show.
* You can also go the Alien route of course. But this would require the violence to happen indiscriminately re: gender, and it would need to use the disgust response intelligently to interrogate something like…oh I don’t know the disgusting male power fantasy intrinsic to forced pregnancy-as horror.
** This is part of why people keep saying ‘marvel’. Marvel movies run on assumed empathy and it’s the most immediate touchstone and cheapest shot. BioWare was doing it first though. Guardians is literally riffing on DA and ME. And yes it’s cheap writing. I just don’t know why anyone expects anything else.
*** I’d be fine with mythic or purely dramatic motivations myself, but these games definitely do not know how to do more than gesture at that.
**** Something that’s gotten seriously muddled in our current publishing environment. Character-driven doesn’t mean you can reduce everything to the characters and their arcs. This is how we get shallow self-actualization narratives in place of deep explorations of what it means to be human. This is the problem at the heart of the ‘representation’ debates.
#a round up of actual criticism#and the discussion we could be having#I print my own receipts#BioWare critical#fandom critical#way past analysis 101 I’m afraid#grandwitchbird does game analysis kind of#will I finally shut up now? unlikely
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I just saw someone hating on Jarley and saying "DNI if you ship abuse," and one of their favorite ships is Har1vy. And that is just SO funny because...
#They're so fucking stupid. 😭#One thing about Jarleys and *true* HQ fans is that we will ALWAYS keep receipts! ✌🏽😙#Mf is an all-around little Annie Anti. 🙄#anti harlivy#anti harlivy shippers#harley quinn#jarley#fandom bs#anti fandom purity#anti purity culture
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Listen, everyone, I don’t have enough money to donate to buy more e-sims for Gaza. And they need them now more than ever.
I think the smallest e-sim package (3 days coverage) is about $6, correct? If I offer some character sketches (bust only, no color) would you be interested to commission me so I can collect more money?
There’d be 2 options: either send it to my Paypal or better yet - donate DIRECTLY to the Gaza e-sims campaign and just show me the receipt.
Sorry this post is very rushed, but if anyone is interested and able to commission me for $6 please send a message.
For SPEED’s sake, I’ll draw for only 3 fandoms this time:
Pokemon
DuckTales
Top Cat
Sorry for narrowing the pool, but I’m very familiar with drawing for these 3 specifically, and I want to get as MANY sketches done in a short time as possible.
#esims for gaza#esims for palestine#please send a message in interested#payment is either via PayPal#or donate directly to eSims for Gaza and show me a receipt#feel free to ask my anything#fandom#top cat#Pokemon#DuckTales#collecting money for Palestine
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Another reason that Stansas hate the idea of Arya and Dany being friends (outside of them wanting to demonize Dany) is that they've convinced themselves that Dany and Sansa are the only main female characters, so if a Stark sister is going to have a significant relationship with Dany it has to be Sansa. Arya being constantly downplayed and treated like an accessory to Sansa has generally led to the consensus that her relationship with Dany will be defined by whatever Sansa's relationship (positive or negative) with her is. That's why Arya is always being left out of the "we were robbed of [x] female character friendship" conversations and why theories about Dany/Arya getting along are treated as Sansa hate; Arya, as a character, is seen as secondary to Sansa by a lot of people
#arya stark#anti sansa stans#Don't get me wrong I'm happy whenever people discuss Sansa/Dany parallels instead of pitting them against each other#but the difference in how their potential relationship gets discussed vs. Dany and Arya's is very obvious#and the root of it is that people don't want to perceive Arya as being her own important character outside of her relationship with Sansa#(but also that some people simple don't view Arya as an actual female character because they're misogynistic)#even though Dany/Arya have many parallels shared experiences + values and tons of foreshadowing#Show!Arya was the exact opposite of Book!Arya to justify her disliking Dany but somehow that never gets acknowledged#and people complain about Sansa and Dany not getting along in the show but Arya is ALWAYS being left out of the conversation 🥴#just made a post about this with receipts so they can't even pretend this is something I made up 😭#cause they sure do love to gaslight us about the shit they try to pull like we can't see them#this is why I need TWOW to come out so we can get Arya's Braavos arc and finally be free of the show's terrible writing#fandom nonsense
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casey bloys: we cancelled OFMD because it wasn't doing the numbers
OFMD fans: fuck you casey here's the numbers <screenshots showing OFMD in first place on Max>
casey bloys: hey gay twitter can i get a shoutout for Gilded Age
OFMD fans/gay twitter: fuck you casey we want our gay pirate show back
casey bloys: well we were just worried that OFMD was too violent
OFMD fans: fuck you casey you literally made Game of Thrones which is a massacre a minute
#ofmd#casey bloys#never make the mistake#of thinking that fans are stupid#because fans have receipts#and are glad to show them around#fandom
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