#clark and diana know btw

[haveihitanerve]

The League would admit they knew very little about Batman. They didn't know his age, his identity, hell they didn't even know his favorite food. But they did, however, know he had kids. How many was still unclear, but the Bat had used the plural form while comforting a civilian once, so thats what they based it off of. And while he was certainly tight lipped about many things, talking about his kids, or bragging really, wasn't one of them. "Bats really loves his kids huh?" Barry murmured to Hal as they watched Batman inform Wonder Woman about one of his children. "I mean they're babies, wait till they hit the angsty teens and I'm sure we'll be hearing the opposite." Hal muttered back. Barry snorted. "maybe if he's raising you. If his kids are anything like me he'll keep talking like this." Hal couldn't hold back a laugh at that. "Batman." Superman entered the room. Hal and Barry looked over at him in interest, and Batman stopped talking, turning to face him. "yes?" "You have a visitor." The alien said, and Hal could see his lips twitch, though he tried to hide it. Batman's eyes narrowed. "Who?" "Why me of course!" Twittered a voice and a black and blue blur cartwheeled into the room, landing confidently with hands on his hips long enough for them to take in his wide easy smile and his dark black hair before he was moving again, slamming into Batman with the force of a freight train. Batman didn't even twitch, didn't even take one step back to balance himself, just grunted lightly as the man wrapped himself around him like an affectionate leech. "Did you miss me?" The newcomer murmured, face pressed into Batman's chest. Batman grunted, which must have been the right sound to make because the man lit up, pressing a kiss to Batman's cheek. "aww i knew you did." Batman grunted again and the man unfurled himself from his side, landing on his feet instead. "Um, uh, hey there. Batsy, who is this?" Hal stuttered out. Batman glanced over at them, opening his mouth to respond, but the newcomer beat him to it. "I'm Nightwing! It's a pleasure to meet you." "nice to meet you too." Barry smiled, almost as enthusiastic, shaking his hand. "Why are you here?" Batman asked bluntly, but Nightwing didn't seem at all perturbed by his less than friendly question. "Well uh, Little Wing locked himself in his room and try as we might we can't get him out, you know he hasn't slept." Batman sighed. "Alright. I'll be home just as soon as I finish today okay? Try to feed him at least." Nightwing nodded. "Will do." "Wait- hang on, sorry." Hal interrupted. "You- you'll be home? Who- are you his-?" Nightwing's entire body spasmed with delight. "You mean B hasn't told you about me?" he gasped in outrage, spinning to look at the other man. Batman raised an eyebrow. "I did. Hal, Barry, this is Nightwing. My son." If Hal's jaw could have dislocated from his body it would have been back on Earth. "THIS?" Barry sputtered. They looked at each other. "That- that is a grown ass adult!" Hal exclaimed. Nightwing looked at him in amusement. "has dear old dad been giving you the wrong impression?" He asked. "You are not a precious little thing! You are not a baby!" Barry half cried. "You could snap me half!" "Like a twig." Wonder Woman agreed. "I won't." Nightwing assured him, far too confident and unbothered. "But you could." Hal stressed. Nightwing laughed. "Perhaps. I am Bat-trained after all." He winked backwards at his father. "anyway, I gotta get back. It was nice meeting you." And just as fast as he had come he was gone again, a blur of black and blue. Hal and Barry stared at Batman.

It was about a week later, when they had still not recovered from the shock of Nightwing being Batman's son, when they ran into Red Hood. The Red Hood. Leather jacket, signature red hood, multitudes of guns strapped to his body. Hal readied his ring. But the man just draped himself across Batman's with all the confidence in the world, releasing a sigh. "The brat broke into my safe house again." He whined, voice pitched surprisingly high for a man with his size and stature. "to steal my dog." Hal almost dropped his ring. And Batman, Batman, Mr. I hate guns and won't use them and they're bad, just looked at him, a soft smile on his face even as Red Hood waved at least two guns around his nose, and said calmly. "He just wants to spend time with his big brother. Maybe take him to the zoo next time." Barry was looking between them in confusion. "It can't be." He muttered. Superman coughed into his fist. "It is." He confirmed. "H-how?" Hal whimpered. "That is also not a baby! He's almost bigger than Bats! He could break Bats in half!" Superman chuckled. "But he won't." "But he could!" Both Hal and Barry half shouted. Batman and Red Hood glanced over. "Alright Old man I gotta go." "Alright. Drive safe kiddo." Red Hood rolled his eyes. "Its Gotham." Batman leveled him with a look and the Red Hood, the Red Hood, crime lord and gang boss, raised his hands in surrender, sticking his guns in his pockets. "Yeah alright whatever. See you at home." Hal was gaping like a fish.

"Did you have a good weekend Batman?" Superman asked, leaning against the Bats desk with a cup of coffee in his hands. Batman nodded, smiling faintly. "yeah. My babies went for a walk in the park yesterday. Red brought the dog. It was good." Hal and Barry collapsed and had a mental breakdown.

A year later, when they finally met Robin, the one who was, in fact, a child, they only had a moment of relief before the kid pulled out a katana. Batman smiled.

Love the slight AUs where Bruce as Batman has been a member of the league for ages, but he's somehow managed to keep his assortment of children under the radar.

Because it sets up the wildest misunderstandings within the league. He routinely talks about his babies, his children who are all so sweet and kind and occasionally assholes yes but only because they are young (and traumatized) hell I don't think the league would even be aware that they're adopted. So they're all thinking literal children

Barry: Bats really loves his kids.

Hal: I mean they're babies, wait till they hit the angsty teens and I'm sure we'll be hearing the opposite

Which means the day they finally meet Nightwing they don't know wtf to think. For one thing, how old would he have been when he had this kid???? Should they be worried about that???? And for the other, that is not a baby, that is not a precious little thing.

He could break someone in half. Like a twig.

He won't, but he could. And they can see that. (He's bat trained, they have seen what the bat can do they are not fools)

And they're like, okay. Okay maybe he isn't the baby (he is). He's got younger kids right? He's never said how many, they have 0 clues. They've been expecting 1 child, maybe 2 because he'd said kid in the plural exactly once when comforting an older woman while they were searching for her children in the aftermath of a rough battle.

And then a week later they run into Red Hood. In his leather, with his guns. And he drapes himself across Batmans back with all the self confidence in the world and starts whining about the "Brat" breaking into his safe house.

To steal his dog.

And yet again. He is not baby. He is bigger than Batman. He could probably break Batman in half given the bat didn't put up a fight. But Batman looks at him with probably the softest expression they've ever seen on that mans face and tells him very earnestly that the kid just wants to spend time with his older brother, next time they should try a walk. Maybe go to the zoo.

But probably not one of the babies. They're kind, and gentle, and at least one just loves reading and Bats has been trying to encourage that!!!

And then a day later he mentions his "babies" going for a walk in the park and they all instantaneously lose their minds at the confirmation.

[littlefankingdom]

I'm thinking about how it is canon that Bruce, as Batman, sends a gift to Hal Jordan's niece for her birthdays, even when he was mad at him for the Parallax' stuff. It demonstrates that Bruce CARES about his teammates, enough to care about their family, even when he is not in good term with them he cares.

And, also, just imagine all these people that gets a gift from BATMAN for their birthday, every year. The Kent. All Oliver's kids. Wally and Donna. Bart, Kon and Cassie. Hal's niece doesn't even know his identity, so it doesn't stop him. All of them had been getting gifts for years!

[prlssprfctn]

love and grief anon here again, and i'm branching off of your last point of the JLA meeting Jason and being like "???? this is not what Batman said you were like" and it got me thinking about how much bruce's grief WARPED Jason's memory.

Like he knows that he's a cautionary tale, 'reckless, violent, angry, A Good Soldier.'

But thinking about older Jason wondering if anyone in the batfam remembers what his laugh sounded like, or how good he was at school, or how much he loved theatre and music or how he took his tea, and realizing that those parts of him didn't survive Bruce's grief and the character assassination of a kind too kind for his own good child who just wanted someone to love him enough to believe in him or trust him.

And older Jason revealing his identity to the JL and Diana and Clark just fighting the anger at Bruce keeping him from them and wanting to embrace Jason and never letting him go and then think about their interactions with Red Hood till then, and maybe Diana goes "ofc it was you. No one else quite had your flair for the theatrical. I missed you"

And Jason just sobs because someone remembers HIM. Who he was, and what he was like. And maybe for the first time in a long time he feels like a person, not like a corpse standing in the shadow of the memory of boy who didn't really exist.

And maybe the other Bats look on as Jason cries and mutters "thankyouthankyouthankyou" on repeat and have no idea what to think, and they're all slightly perturbed and awkward but they hear Jason's voice again.

"Aunty Di" and he's looking up pleadingly, and maybe kind of scared, beacuse the love he's experienced from Bruce not his father has been conditional on adherrence to his rules.

But Diana is a Warrior, and she understands so she just wipes his tears and says "Dear boy, to have endured so much and still be so kind. You've been so strong, and I'm sorry that you had to, but I'm glad you are alive and well."

Ksksoiwjwjso just Jason hearing that he's loved for who he IS currently, not just who or what he used to be, and all of that mounting grief of the family that wants the phantom of the boy they made him out to be in their minds, refusing to acknowledge the heartbroken, desperate boy that's right in front of them, who keeps getting hurt but keeps going back, and him finally letting go of it, only for them to finally understand, just a bit too late

the most insufferable person (me) just felt on her knees in a public place after reading this, btw.

something-something about Jason keeping strong after everything that happened to him, only ever offering snark when he is hurt, and then crumbling in the instant Diana takes his face in her hands, and smiles at him, saying — after everything, it is still you. it all that takes him to just let go all pain he cradled to his chest.

i feel like Diana really would see all the path Jason went through and be understanding. maybe even a little surprised because in her home, people like Jason are treated like heroes and legends, their return home is a celebration, so how come this boy came back to have no one wanting him back, to be so cruelly misunderstood?

and imagine Jason finally letting all of that go after being acknowledged and understood. just starting a new. people catch him here and there with Diana afterwards, too, discussing his journey, chatting about books, swords. imagine Bruce hearing a familiar laughter in the halls of the Watchtower, feeling haunted by the ghost of the boy he lost again. except, when he opens the door, he realises that it is Jason tagging along with Diana. his son, who is alive, had been for a while. he just never realised how similar he is to the boy he mourned.

[lambypop]

🎀The Tails of Coccinelle Moon and The Batman🎀

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Chapter one:

Day gone wrong

TW: blood, Bruce having PTSD and flashbacks, perhaps a panic attack? Emotional neglect?, miscommunication, yandere (platonic) behavior if you squint (The Robins towards their dad in later chapters btw), the word Daddy is used affectionately and specifically in a platonic way as in father and daughter, pls don't be weird.

Platonic!Batfam x Ladybug/Magical Girl!Reader

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It's weird how everything started, he can't remember how did he got in this situation, him under the rubble with a half conscious Superman who's just laying there with kryptonite stabbed halfway into his side, he's pretty sure he has a broken rib and a ripped muscle, but he can't let his best friend co-worker just lay there as he bleeds out, so he crawls out of the rubble and immediately goes to do the first aid that he learned at med school.

"Clark can you hear me?" he half whispers half choked out as he presses the wound

"MHmmh d-dunt te-tell Louissss" Clark tries to say coherently but he groans in pain

"pf- I'll try not to" Bruce says as he grabs Clarks red cape to use it as cloth........but wet? why is it wet? huh it runs down his hand dripping...

drop

drop

drop

Red...... red... it's everywhere....... its blood.... too much blood, w-why is there more red than blue??

"B-bruce?" Clark Jason whispers as he grips Bruce's other hand "Dad......" Bruce snaps out of it and does his work taking what he needs out of his utility belt, but his hands can't help but shake, he carefully takes out the kryptonite and tosses it slightly away so he can do his best to bandage Clark as he himself tries to calm the best that he cans to work properly at least.

Once Clark is okay for the situation they are in Bruce makes a mental note to take his meds in time, its 2:43PM its fine its okay, he has 17 minutes before he needs to take them, he'll be fin- he suddenly is in the watch tower as all of them are re-going on what went wrong in the mission.

"Okay everyone what went wrong today?" Wonder Woman asks with a tired look, she wants to go home Bruce thinks, he knows them maybe more than they know themselves.

But Bruce isn't really listening to the lecture, he's lm his head he can't forget how his hands shaked when he was aiding Superman, it was..... It was as if he was in that alley again..... Helpless, scared..... Alone, and its past 4 and he still hasn't gotten his meds, but that's fine because he's been practicing breathing and those therapeutic exercises that Dinah recommend him to try, so he momentarily closes his eyes and inhales as silently and as much air as he can before exhaling silently, it could even be described as a sigh...

Click

Click

Click

Click

His eye twitches under his cowl he cant help but tighten his eternal scowl, his eyes dart towards the computer, Cyborg is tapping the keys as he writes the mission report, he tries to distract himself with the corner of his cape or looking at the Batfam comms chat that is empty.

"Batman.... Batman... Bruce!" Diana calls it makes his break out of his trance, he grunts in aknowledgement "Can you tell us what went wrong this time? beacuse you seem to look like you have better places to go" Diana says a bit harshly, It makes bruce want to recoil on his seat "So? go on beause i'll remind you it was your plan and you were the one that surprisigly did not follow" She says, In Bruce's eyes its clear she's stressed and a lot, with whats happening in Themyscira, something about a wind bag????? he's not so sure but he doesn't holds it againts her but her gaze looks so pointed and so bother........ suddendly the suit feels tighter. ".......Superman injured" he grunts out "He would have been okay" Diana says her patience thining "Yeah Spooky, we've talked about team work haven't we?" Hal says as if putting salt on the wound which gets him a discret kick from Green Arrow under the table -Ocuh- "what we mean is that we need to communicate more Bats" Barry says softer than anyone else as if trying to calm the situation..... "WHAT? i didn- ocuh!? stop kicking-" BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ----------- he can't hear anything.... why cant he hear anything? why, why, why

"Nononon if he wants to be on the team he needs to-"

"He's right-"

"ofcourse not!"

"He doesnt trust-"

He breaths heavely but to normal eyes no one wold realized that, he silently stands up and walks to the headquarters infirmary to sit down besides a passed out Superman, he takes out his comms.

- I'll be home early

-Huhm? u okay B?

-Do you require assistance father?

-No, I'll just head home earlier than expected, the meeting was cut short

-👍✌️😊🫵🏠🙏🤞🫶

-Thank Cassy, yes I'll be heading home safe

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Ding

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-hey old man..... u okay? u don't sound okay, you don't write like that.

-Im okay Jay, Im fine.

-Wuthever, not like I care.

-Sure chum sure.

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He pats Clark's shoulder and then leaves the Watchtower directly to the Batcave, He walks straight to the Batcomputer chair, he takes off the cowl and his hand directly runs down his face tiredly.

"Master Bruce" Alfred says with slight confusion "you are here early" Bruce can't help but rub his eyes and then look at Alfred "The meeting... ran short" Alfred just nods with acknowledgment "are you perhaps thinking of having some time for yourself?" He only eon a small hum from Bruce as he removes his cowl and cape and starts to head to his room.

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"Do you think Bruce is okay?" Barbara asks as she pokes on her strawberry milkshake "He always has something going on, i dont think its something to worry about probably his paranoia" Dick answers her question with ease as he checks on his phone the clock "u sure man? his texts seemed kinda off" another voice says entering the room "we're sure Duke, the old man's fineee" Jason says with a half groan "Not everything has to be about that fckin man" he rolls his eyes as he continues readig his new book "I please ask you to not talk about our father like that Todd" A more little yet very much serios voice said in a corner of the room, what was more surprising was the audible clap on the other and more darker corner off the room that got mosts attention -"👦🏾🗡️👈🏻👍🏻//🫱🏻‍🫲🏾//🫵🏻✌🏻🫷🏻🙅🏻‍♀️🗣️🙊👉🏻👨🏻"- Cassandra started to sign slightly agressively trying to comunicate a bit of her frustration beacuse she isn't getting why are those two talking dissmisively about their father "Oh no Cain, it is my pleasure to agree with you in this one, yes Jason and Richard should refrain to talk like that about father" Damian says as he appears behind the couch with not only Titus but also Jerry the Turkey "He was an ass last patroooollll" Stephanie chimes in jumping over the back of the sofa to sit just beside Jason "Why do you think Tim isnt here today?" steph remarks half joking...... but someone in the hallway must have feel it way to much.

....... ....... .......

sigh

He walks away. He's tired and stressed out of medication, and Clark is still unconscious, so he walks back into his room to think, how can he keep this up? He is exhausted. At some point, he starts packing a suitcase without even realizing it. He also calls his assistant, asking her to blank out all of his meeting and other Wayne Enterprises Activities for an undefined time but if they need something urgently to give him a call.

He's not sure when he called a driver to pick him up, or at which moment he stepped into his Private Jet. The only thing he's sure about is that he is going to France, to Paris, to be more exact, to visit his daughter, his first biological child. After all, it is the scheduled visit he usually makes, only that this time he's half a month earlier.

Ring, Rign, Ring

"Alloooooô?" a foreign voice answered him with a snicker and some giggles in the back, the voice didn't sound very French more like it had a tint of a different accent ".......who.....who's this?" Bruce asked slightly confused at the unfamiliar voice on the phone "Je m'appelle Mar-" the voice got cut off by a soft, happy, and familiar voice "Girls!...DADDY?! AAAAAAAAA" and exited and a familiar chime sounded thro Bruce's phone and a some small playful fuzzing in the back "DAD! OWHHH HELLO FATHARRRR" Bruce couldn't help but smile widely and let out a small giggle "Hello, my dear -" his voice was a bit cut off by the turbulence "Ohhhhh Daddy, when are you coming to viiiiiist meeeee" the girl dramatically suffered and pouted even tho he couldn't see her, laugh could be heard in the back of the call "I'm already on a Jet" before bruce could utter another word a loud and happy gasp was heard and he couldn't help but melt at the sound of his daughter to be so happy to see him "REALLY!?! OH THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU PAPA, I'VE MISSED U SO MUCH!, you're gonna love the new things I've done! so much stuff has happened and I NEED to tell you!!!!!!" you can't help but be so happy about it, it's your dad and he's coming to see you, he always does every 2 or 3 months and it's great, the weeks he spends with you are the best, he makes breakfast, takes you to father-daughter dates, you both volunteer at community stuff, its so splendid the time you spend with him even tho its kinda limited BUT that makes every single moment even better! "when do arrive papa?" you ask with a smile "Tomorrow morning" and another happy scream is heard, yeah he loves his daughter, because she may be a bit spoiled but he taught her better, she's spoiled not rotten and the only "normal" child he has...... RIGHT?! 🐞🪄💜

(yes, the reader is gonna be a bit Disney coded, I'm too depress right now so this is me writing fluff for myself and other people who would like to read it), (Yall can send me questions or anything, or comment stuff i would appreciate what people think)

[pompeiiiiiisaidso]

In love with this mental image. Thank you @rt-nique

The press sends out a video of Timothy Jackson Drake taking off a hoodie, revealing an ring strung on a chain resting on the shirt underneath

Gotham goes crazy-

Tam is brought back into picture- Stephanie never left

People get wind of Bernard- and one very obsessed fan is insistent on something fruity between Tim and the son of the only reporters Bruce seems to like

The superhero x civilian crack ships are brought up, but this time it’s serious- Robin, Superboy, but also the rest of Young Justice for those wishing for a rare pair

The Wayne’s have remained silent all the while

That’s because they know this supposed wedding ring is actually a lantern ring that Tim has to keep Bruce on his toes- knowing fully well that Tim will join the Lantern Corps out of spite if pushed

This isn’t the first time it’s happened though,

Dick Grayson - who has been speculated to have relationships with three different red-heads- revealing a red ring all of a sudden nearly broke the internet

[the-fyre-flie]

So I'm gunna be gone for a week. Just a btw. I'm going on an irl trip :)

Anyways, Justice League Members Who Can Fly VS Normal Plane Flight!

Hal: EZ PZ. He's literally a pilot. That's like... his whole thing. It's fun to point of plane facts in the sky!

J'onn: Not a fan. Small space, lots of humans, lots of risks. Would honestly rather not if given the choice.

Clark: Again, not a fan. Flying as Superman is just easier and faster. Has done it and will do it again for work, but ehhh it's not for him. (Also TSA hates him.)

Diana: Doesn't care. Honestly, she likes it. Prefers it, no, but it can be comfortable. Legit owns a jet, obviously she uses it.

Billy: Hell yes! He loves it. Accepting first class tickets from Bruce will probably be the only hand out he takes ever. Eating fancy meals in the sky was too good an opportunity.

Red Tornado: Another no. Ya know the whole "turn your phone to airplane mode" thing? Red doesn't have an airplane mode... yeahhh...

Am I missing a huge chunk of the JLs flighted members? Yes. Do I care? No. I have a flight to catch in 4 hours and I gotta drive for 2 of em...

[axstoria]

Somebody said this, and I can't stop thinking about it... (From this post: The Crush of The Justice League)

Cw: Everybody gets a lil silly with their thoughts, nothing is really descriptive

Btw, in this, only Oliver knows that Bruce is Batman! (And Clark and Barry are unmarried, Lois is just FWB.)

Omega!Bruce thinking his team just looks up to him for the normal reasons: as a mentor, the voice of reason, and the one who seemingly knows everything about everything.

What he didn't expect was for all the attention one meeting to be caused by the entire League placing bets on his secondary gender.

Clark and J'onn are aliens, so their secondary genders don't fit into human standards. If anything, J'onn's switched at will and Clark was whatever the hell the highest tier was, because there was no way in hell that the man who could knock down entire buildings with his bare hands was anywhere NEAR being an omega.

Alpha!Barry and Alpha!Hal has bets on him being a regular old alpha, especially because of how broody and authoritative all the time.

Beta!Diana and Beta!Dinah are torn between Bruce being beta or omega. Sure, he's all big and strong, but they once had a night out with Lois where she said that Clark, of all people, enjoyed the other end of things every now and then.

The only omega on the team, Oliver, is the only one who knows the truth. He's been in that man's bed one too many times to keep up Bruce's playboy persona. This was before he mated Dinah, of course. He'd never betray his beloved wife like that.

It's when Bruce hears the chatter get a little too loud does he realize what they're talking about, and his stoic face dips into a disapproving frown. "We have an interstellar threat, yet you are all placing bets on what I am?"

He raises a brow under the cowl, and while no one can see it, they all know they're in deep shit if they continue to talk.

The Justice League decide then and there that if Batman can get Superman to back down, he must be whatever an Alpha God is.

They just don't see the way he comes home to dote on his pups, grabbing Damian and Duke and dragging them away to the Manor Nest so he can scent them. He would like his others, but they have their own lives to live, so he won't bring them back home just because his instincts urge him to.

When identity reveals come along, everyone is dumbfounded. There's no way that Bruce Wayne, billionaire omega playboy, is the Dark Knight.

An image hits Clark in the head, the memory of him and Bruce in a back room together after an interview surfacing yet again. He'd only dared to remember that on lonely nights where patrol had been too much and he had adrenaline to blow off.

Diana, Dinah, Flash, and Hal are all collectively blinking slowly, staring at the uncowled man.

Bruce is now considered a free-for-all. Every unmated member of the League is actively trying to mate the Bat, offering stupid little trinkets and complimenting his work. The alphas get a little carried away, often peeling off scent blockers in the Watchtower to try and get a rouse out of Bruce.

Clark and Diana will randomly pick him up, as if to show off their strength, Hal will construct whatever Bruce needs at the moment, and Barry has become his personal errand boy.

While Bruce would say this is a little over-the-top, he's never seen his team so cooperative before.

Sure, though, now he can't pick a mate from the League (they'd probably kill one another in jealousy), but he can at least reap the benefits.

[confusedhummingbird]

Arrowfam is so much cooler than batfam, I feel like arrowfam is more lovely and Ollie and Dinah are great mom and dad, truly hope dc knows the value of them and arrowfan, I know they can't have kids on main tl but I feel like it is not even necessary! Buuut with Batman I don't feel like it is a ""family" it is more like a cult to stan Batman no hate for the character the writers are to blame for most of his stuff making him weird and hateful... Sometimes I see older stuff form Batman and it is so weird to think "he could be way better"! I am the MJ anon btw you know something that MJ and Kory had in common and I miss is their modeling career honestly MJ being a model was way cooler and more original than other routes they take away from here? I miss Star being a model too they should bring it back

Oh anon I absolutely adore the Arrowfam. They're my jam. Dick and Kory might be my favorites but right under them is Roy and Mia (Especially my girl Mia I could talk for hours about how much I love her. I was excited for days when she returned to Green Arrow last year)

I wouldn't really call the Batfamily a cult per say but I do agree I hate what they've done with Bruce honestly since Crisis on Infinite Earths, they just wanna make him as dark and broody as possible and don't care if his actions are clearly abusive because they still have him being in the right and being a hero. And not just a hero,one of the Trinity. Clark and Diana are embodiments of kindness and mercy (Well Diana is supposed to be but many writers wanna focus on the Amazon warrior part instead of her love and compassion for all those around her) but Bruce is so dark and broody that he just sticks out like a sore thumb. I know Bruce can be a lot better but DC just refuses to let him be because Bruce being the emo loner who needs no one and is super smart brings them the big bucks.

I also agree I would love for Kory to be a model again. Also let her have her gorgeous outfits again.

Let her be the fashion icon she is! 💜💚💜

[medieval-hippie]

A little smooch in exchange for a secret

Fandom: Batman - All Media Types, Green Lantern - All Media Types, Justice League - All Media Types Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Oliver Queen & Bruce Wayne, Oliver Queen/Bruce Wayne Characters: Bruce Wayne, Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan (Green Lantern), Clark Kent, Diana (Wonder Woman), Barry Allen Additional Tags: Making Out, Identity Reveal, Crack, Crack Treated Seriously, Batman Identity Reveal, Justice League Doesn't Know Bruce Wayne is Batman, i cringed the entire time i wrote the make out scene i dont know what im doing someone send help, slight dubcon at the start but its ok ollie is into it, minor jealousy from clark lmao, i did leave out some founders im sorry, Bickering, Idiots in Love, except they don't know they're in love, they're not together btw, POV Hal Jordan (Green Lantern), POV Bruce Wayne

Summary:

The League doesn't know about Batman's identity. Bruce is about to change that for one man in particular.

[smww4ever]

How I See It

I have no idea how to write this but I feel that I need to. The flow of words has been in my mind all day, after having spent some time watching clips from the Superman and Lois show, and comments from people on my SMWW accounts when it comes to SuperWonder. So I'm going to mesh it all together so you can understand if you decide to read through.

The clips were suggested by Youtube. I wasn't looking for it but came upon it and you know how it goes. You kinda binge watch these scenes. I was traumatized watching it. Yes. It reminded me of the drama I lived through as a child with my parent's marriage. What even made it all the more ridiculous was the guy has superpowers. So it didn't seem like he was helping the world, just his small world. And then you had the villains. They happened to be people of his own kind. Again not helping the world I stepped back and looked at it all and said this is a "soap opera".

But the appeal of the soap opera of this show is this is how the vast majority of comics fans want to see Superman. Just a regular schmuck in a regular marriage plus kids with a bossy woman. A female who has a strong personality, wears the pants in the house, not a real beauty, was promiscuous in her early days, but managed to bag the most eligible bachelor in comics.

Then of course I had to read the comments. What a trove of laughs that was. I screenshot many, but it would take time for me to crop and upload so I'm just writing. Things like that actress is a horrible Lois, not easy on the eyes. Then you have the responses to that which were basically, you're dumb, she a beauty better than Erica. (Erica in my opinion is a beauty.)

Then comments on the actor who plays Superman. How he's the best ever. (For me he looks like a vampire werewolf. Always has.) Then someone brought up how both are so alarmingly skinny. How is this supposed to be believable that they are these characters.

That point which is good point btw, got attacked. Again it's character assassination of the commenter that they never had a real relationship, or aren't a true Superman fan and live in the basement of their parents, because who cares about their looks..."they have CHEMISTRY!'

Whew!

I just had a weird, condescending comment about an image I posted on Threads. Let me tell you that Threads is a different beast. There are many people who have left X and other platforms even IG to congregate there and bish about everything. They are full of opinions. And self-proclaimed experts. They may not say it but you can tell by their posts.

There is some different content I post on Threads because the crowd is just different. After watching the clips, I saw the writers made a new character. An older brother of Superman who was abandoned. So they made more drama. Of course this brother is a villain. I can't tell you how predictable this was when I saw it. I chuckled the whole time. Tal-Rho has a problem with humans and doesn't like Lois or Kal's family. And yes, the brother calls him Kal. He has a British accent too. How predictable. Adds more to the condescension of the older Kryptonian sibling. But Kal is the name that Diana uses. So I don't know if that's an unintended or intended diss at her. As if this Superman doesn't care at all about his Kryptonian heritage or whatever. All that matters is Lois and his family. Who by the way are superwhiny. Looking at you Jordan. Like spank this kid already.

Then I had to step back even further. Because why is this show popular with this group of fans. Why do they consider it the best depiction of Clark and Lois? I even had someone say that it's for fans who are familiar with Superman characters. Because of course, I as a SuperWonder fan couldn't possibly be familiar with Superman characters just because I think and favor Diana as a true, romantic partner. Never mind that I'm older than a dinosaur and actually saw the Superman movie in the theaters. Ha! But I digress.

Really any other woman would be better at this point. I had a collab artist on IG send me an animation of Kal with Kara. I know there's a weird niche fandom that ships them. I looked at it and I'm like it works! That works too. Too bad that it's his cousin. They even did a comic about it in the golden age.

Why do all these other pairings work in my eyes?

Well first the problem here is that Superman and Lois is answering a need with people. There is a problem with dating, marriage, relationships and men and women in general right now. You see it with MGTOW and feminism and everything in between.

They see this as an ideal relationship. Or relationship goals. Their fantasy to be like them. I read "Oh they are so adorable." And this after Lois berates him. I mean do they even know what an ideal relationship is? Is that really it?

It's also relatable. Because Superman who is basically a killing machine. Step back and look. He can shoot lasers out of his eyes. I see you Homelander and Brightburn. They made him adorable and dumbed down. Harmless like a "golden retriever". That's what Clois fans call him.

So he is a puppy. He's Lois's puppy.

See he's not acting like a god. He's harmless. See he wears glasses. (A guy with supervision wears glasses all the time.) Like all the time. He's just Clark. Little farmboy. Average dude. A dork. And he's just happens to have superpowers. That's what is digestible to this fandom. It's a perfect fantasy to their eyes. What Superman should be!

No, not really.

So I can understand how they see Diana and Clark. It is threatening. It's a no-no. They are too perfect or godlike. Un-relatable. (But yet for Halloween, everybody wants to be them. In all my times as a cosplay photographer, I only saw one Lois Lane cosplay, one.).

I've strived to make them relatable and adorable in the art. Dare I say I have proven that Diana and Clark/Kal work. I used Ai to do it. But I did it. They have CHEMISTRY. Haha.

So now I have to step back even further.

Why for 80 years has this been the relationship for this character. Because you know that's what they'll say.

Because the second thing is, this is a Nephilim trope. Call it lore, history, myth. It is so ingrained into our consciousness. This idea of a super-being coming down to save us.

The creators of Superman said they were inspired by Moses because they were Jewish. And Moses was a savior in Hebrew history. But it's more than that. Either they didn't know or knew. I have no idea but inspiration can be an interesting thing.

Superman acts more like an angel. A being that looks human but has these amazing superpowers. That's what a Nephilim is. Half human and half angel. And the lore or history is written about in the Bible and even the Book of Enoch. Now that's a rabbit hole, you might want to go down, Alice!

Because that is what constantly gets brought up in the comments. How can Lois have coitus with a guy like Superman. And man do we have explanations and excuses. Of course all made up by writers.

The bio-aura field that protects anyone close to him.

The perfect control he exercises when performing intercourse so she doesn't wind up like the woman with Hancock.

The red sun gizmo that is used to make him human in order for him to do the big nasty and then he recharges in the sun.

Or going to Argo City and getting Lois pregnant there. Everybody is a regular schmo there!

Bonus: movie moment where he gives up his powers!

All those can be possible. If we look at him as an angel. Because in the lore, angels came down and chose human wives and impregnated them. They gave birth to 'men of renown'. Guys with superpowers.

I remember watching the Lois and Clark show back in the day. I also binge watched that show when it was available on Netflix. So that was many years ago. I remember a scene where Superman swallowed a bomb. And it exploded inside of his belly and he just belched a fiery burp.

That was the weirdest thing I had seen. Later on seeing them in bed floating just didn't make sense. They were both floating. That is some angelic sheeit right there.

Afterwards tho I felt like something was amiss. Like something is flawed with all this. It was romantic but flawed. My epiphany came then when I saw Diana with Kal and it made perfect sense. I think this was the time New 52 came out. Boy did it ruffle feathers.

Oh and most angels have "el' in their names to indicate that they are angelic beings. No surprise we have "Kal-El of the House of El". His names translates basically to "voice of God".

So Clois fans are consuming a Nephilim trope.

But would that make Superman a good angel or fallen one?

Well think on that. I think I may be running out of space. So I'll wrap this up.

So what if he's not an angel but an actual ALIEN from another world.

Looks like a human. But who's biology is radically different. Different enough that his cells turn into steel. Invincible. Not subject to death. He can regenerate. The photons, radiation and rays from the sun give him this invulnerability. Let's just ponder that alone. I'm not gonna talk about his other powers. Like his eyes can supercharge heat vision. Or that his lungs can blast cold air. Or that he can defy gravity. Etcetera...

I had a friend who worked out. He showed me his progress. I was impressed. When he pumped up his arm to show off his biceps, I had to feel it. It was like steel.

There are days when I can't even open up a jar of pickles. And you expect a human woman to be ok with an alien that can pull a cargo ship with a chain?

If I were Lois, I would be like nope.

If I were Superman, I would know that an earthling would be fragile.

So that really begs the question, why did Jor-El send Kal-El to Earth of all the planets and galaxies.

28 galaxies mentioned in the lore in the old movies. Mind you, I'm talking of stuff that is made up. There were several other places for such a highly evolved civilization to send "the Last Son of Krypton" to, right? Well, he's not the last son in Superman and Lois. See Superman can be re-written. That is essentially what they did in this show. Remember how I said his small world. In this show, he didn't use his Kryptonian tech to cure Lois of cancer. Like wth?

You know, off tangent there was a clip of him and Lois and the actress looked so much like Margot Kidder, but it was the Bizarro version however it was crazy. Over the top drama. It depicts them as who they really are. It's been there underlying in the depictions in all iterations. You need to see it. Maybe I can link it here. Here it is: Crazy!

I mentioned this a while back that the Superman you see with Diana is not the Superman with Lois. It really is the case.

I know Clombies talk down on Kingdom Come. But maybe in his older years, he got wise. Of course Diana made the choice to be with him. There was obviously something there. He had to have had feelings right. I know I can bring up comics and history to prove SuperWonder, but to a Clois fan that sheeit don't matter. They don't care.

Most are living through a comic book fantasy.

I see it with SuperWonder. And I'm being honest here. Most will like the young lovers they see in the art. Most will not like the older depictions. I see that with the views and likes. Of course there are fans who appreciate both. But for newbies who see them together, they prefer to live through that "young love". You know the butterflies you get when you're young and in love. When you're young you're invincible and at the peak of your vitality. Young people have a hard time envisioning what old age is about or how it will be. I've read the comments everywhere.

I don't think SuperWonder is perfect. No relationship is. However it is the better one. It really depends on the writer and how it's written. They really didn't give it a chance. I try to explore and depict them in many different ways. Especially for two beings that have longevity of life and similarities like twin flames, there would be a lot going on there.

It's hard for people to see their heroes age. Or have families. Or die. I used to get angry emojis when I did that Silver Series last year. No they can't get grey hair or old. How dare you! LOL

Probably why we see the same origin stories repeated. Or rebooted.

As for SuperWonder, there would need to be a paradigm shift. Which I've mentioned before. But this wouldn't have been a problem if we had interactions and live action of just them being friends, for Pete's sake. Snyder didn't give us anything. Wasted opportunity with Reeve and Carter. DC in it's current state isn't giving much with Gunn. It'll be a flop with the same old story. And then even with Clois fans, their show was ended.

They could have given us the multiverse but I'm afraid the WB and the folks behind all this, are just running it all into the ground.

Then of course they gave the public AI. And I think it will be in public use in a few years. So the people will be their own story tellers and movie makers.

I think so. I hope so. I got stories.

[carriecarriecatgirl]

OKAY YK WHAT THONKING ABOUT ARO CARRIE NOWW... I think shed reach a point in her adult life where she realises 'wait im an adult.. The few civillian friends i have are moving out of their parents homes and getting into relationships.. Hmmm' and she brushes the thought aside cos shes batman.. Whyd she have time to move out.. Her and boss got goons to take down yk?? But then she thinks more on it and she realises the idea is so completely unappealing. Move in with some random guy?? But the idea of living alone also feels alien because shes grown up surrounded by the batboys and boss.

Anyway point being: carrie literally just lives with her kinda-dad (bruce) her whole life and bruce never brings it up that it is atypical out of fear that carrie will move out when he does

YES UES YES YOU GET IT. carrie ABSOLUTELY lives w bruce n the batboys. in bruces mind it's just like. dick lived w him jason lived w him why wouldn't carrie live w him? ofc we don't know what happened 2 dick 2 cause the rift btw him n bruce n we know jason died well before he was at moving out age and carrie. she like has a civilian life but it's more just to fill time btw training n detective work n patrol. her friends who aren't even slightly in the know she just says that she has a really demanding night job.

we think she probably keeps an appt in the city just 2 sleep + eat in 2 lessen her commute and that's where she takes friends. in the eyes of her friends she isn't weird for not having moved out bc they think she already has. n accounting for the amount of time she would be on the phone/comm. link for info drops + other work stuff, it wouldn't be hard 2 assume that she's actually texting a partner instead of scheduling an ambush w the flash.

we don't think she'd mind being alone, given her bio parents, but she definitely prefers company. she would HATE dating though. the idea is so far from her mind it's unreal.

we don't think it would be bruce who brings the subject up 2 her tho. it would be like clark or barry, maybe even lara if they're close enough at this point. it would absolutely catch her off guard and she wouldn't know how 2 respond (which she would be ashamed of, bruce taught her better than this)

we're of the opinion that she only thinks of sex and romance in the abstract. she knows that bruce used to play the part of seductive playboy, and she knows that clark and diana didn't will lara into existence, but she doesn't really think about it any further than that. she doesn't give nudity a second thought either. she's seen bruce naked, and bruce has seen her naked, nothing more to it. (she's also seen barry and ray palmer, and she doesn't make a peep abt either) she doesn't really get why people make such a fuss about it.

we also headcanon bruce 2 b aroace as well, so that only reaffirms her worldview. he kissed selina bc that's Just What People Do, and carrie wasn't squeamish abt that either bc that's just Normal Affection. whenever any of the batboys fall for someone she's just like "yeah ok cool did you complete your drills." she knows, logically, that clark and diana are In Love, and that's why they cling to each other so much, but beyond that she doesn't think about it.

HOWEVER. if the conversation of moving out ever came up between them carrie would spiral. she would start to read malcontent in actions that were previously just neutral. bruce doesn't want 2 talk 2day? before, it's just cuz he was tired or overstimulated or was working on a hard case and needed the quiet. now, there's a reason for her to think it's because she's dissatisfied or frustrated with her. it would definitely end in sobbing and bruce having to explain that he obv never valued what was normal anyways, and no he does not want her gone. he is, however, famously bad at communicating so this would take awhile

[ao3feed-superbat]

Between pride and the batcave

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/hEInKWj by Shumagic There's a contingency plan for any situation or superhero, because he's Batman, the dark knight, the best detective, the vigilante, the sugar baby, the night itse-... Wait what? Or, what happens when a sleep deprived Bruce fucks up and doesn't have a contingent plan for his own stupidity? Words: 4412, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Fandoms: DCU (Comics), Superman - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Categories: M/M Characters: Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, Alfred Pennyworth, Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon, Jason Todd, Stephanie Brown, Tim Drake (DCU), Cassandra Cain, Damian Wayne, Duke Thomas, Diana (Wonder Woman), Hal Jordan (Green Lantern), Barry Allen, Kon-El | Conner Kent, Wally West Relationships: Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Whore Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne needs Sleep, Alfred Pennyworth needs a raise, Every Batkid is up to mess with their dad, Everyone is horny for Bruce but considering his fame and public persona we cannot judge, I have no idea where this story is going btw, We know no consistency like Argentinian economy so beware, This idea has been rotating like a rotisserie chicken in my mind for so fucking long, I curse all the fucking time so I'll be projecting that on the characters you've been warned, Fluff and Humor, This world is chaos and I'm the god that unleashed it, Dick is bisexual because COME ON HE'S THE MOST BISEXUAL CHARACTER OF ALL THE BATKIDS, Everyone's age is as weirdly fucked up as in canon, Could be ooc but considering there's decades of comics great series and movies, along with some truly awful ones and infinite universes it might as well be canon, I'm more familiar with Dick Jason Barbara and Tim than I'm with Cass Stephanie Damian and Luke, so I apologise in advance if I mix up or fuck up something (but do let me know!), This is full of shenanigans and a lot of second hand embarrassment, (If it's towards the characters or towards me it's up to you to decide lol), Jason's Lazarus pitt related stuff is mostly hc I have but kind of mix with canon, (the canon part being he was in there), This is the sum of an idiotic plot full of questionable decisions idiotic behaviour and situations, If idiocy is not your thing the walk away buddy, BUT if that's the kind of thing you're into then buckle up you're up to so much weird stupidity, For plot wise reasons all of Bruce's cell brains have abandoned the planet, and now he has to survive my imagination with the only one he has left (let the hunger games begin), There probably won't be any smut because I'm ace, and my lack of penis could end up as an obstacle in my writing, HOWEVER I do have an extensive theoretical knowledge on the matter, so you can have some hope or proceed with caution read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/hEInKWj

[susiecarter]

in just this lifetime, or until (which btw OH MY GOD MY HEART THIS IS SO SO GOOD, THE SOFT PINING, THE ANGST ARGGG) how does it go for the alternate universe clark and bruce post-main timeline bruce rescue, do u have any headcanons u can share? and can we get a fic out of you about it lol

/o\ :D Aw, man, anon, thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoyed that fic—it was a bit of an experiment, I don't usually write characters being that aware of both their own AND each other's feelings for that high a percentage of the fic :'D so, yeah. I'm really thrilled the pining hit the spot for you, and the angst!

AND THEN *rubs hands together* rest assured I have a truly excessive number of thoughts about the alternate-universe Clark and Bruce after the rescue. :DDDDD Bruce isn't not paranoid about it having been some nth-dimensional-chess-style plan to trick him into believing Clark isn't a threat ("look, he's going to fall in love with you! Throw aside all your misgivings about him! :)))))") ... but he also can't deny that he was able to accomplish something with Clark's help that would have been prohibitively difficult without it (more the combination of this Clark's ship + the other Clark, but still). AND he's now aware of a very different threat—I'm thinking he and Clark did manage to overload the portal device, and then Clark flew him back to the scout ship and they dipped before Steppenwolf's vessel exploded, but Steppenwolf probably also escaped, and isn't less inclined to attack them now that they've come at him directly and ruined his plans.

And! While main-timeline Clark didn't leave a handy list of JL members with this Clark, he did tell Clark that he and Bruce were on a team of other people with powers. :D And this Clark is much more earnestly intrigued by the idea that apparently he might fall in love with this guy, who's ALREADY pretty interesting to him—just as competent as main-timeline Clark had implied he would be, and apparently Batman???—and ALSO he's so much more lonely than even main-timeline Clark was ;-; so now that he's got some kind of connection to this Bruce, he's going to hang onto it with all he's got; even if they're different people here, even if that kind of love isn't necessarily an option just because the other Bruce and Clark had it, maybe he and Bruce can still be friends, which is more than he's got right now in and of itself, you know? So HE'S going to be shyly hanging around/eager to come back, totally willing to share what main-timeline Clark told him with Bruce, and Bruce doesn't not want to have a team of superpowered people ready when Steppenwolf comes back to get his revenge ...

... and basically from there it turns into a slow-burn JL AU where BvS never got the chance to happen = Clark never died, and it's Bruce and Clark together who are trying to track down other metahumans, starting from scratch instead of starting from Lex Luthor's files, and also Clark starts tentatively Supermanning, on the strength of main-timeline Clark's assertion that he can do good things in that uniform, and he and Bruce probably start working through their Black Zero PTSD together a bit at a time before he manages to put it back on ;-; and, you know, then Hippolyta's warning with the flaming arrow sends Diana to seek out Superman, and that's how the JL starts to form up. I would probably try to change some additional things—maybe tangle Lex up in the plot somehow, because he's ALSO trying to track down metahumans and maybe going after the kryptonite, which is a nasty surprise to BOTH Clark and Bruce, this time around? :'D But yeah, it would be a big long JL AU get-together (possibly with bonus Knightmares where Bruce is dead and that's what let Darkseid mind-control Clark, and then Steppenwolf ALMOST kills Bruce in the big final fight, and Clark ALMOST loses it but is able to save Bruce instead??? :|a), and I will make you no promises :D but also, yes, I would dearly love to actually nail this down and write it, and I never say never! :'DDDDD

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Between pride and the batcave

by Shumagic There's a contingency plan for any situation or superhero, because he's Batman, the dark knight, the best detective, the vigilante, the sugar baby, the night itse-... Wait what? Or, what happens when a sleep deprived Bruce fucks up and doesn't have a contingent plan for his own stupidity? Words: 4412, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Fandoms: DCU (Comics), Superman - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Categories: M/M Characters: Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, Alfred Pennyworth, Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon, Jason Todd, Stephanie Brown, Tim Drake (DCU), Cassandra Cain, Damian Wayne, Duke Thomas, Diana (Wonder Woman), Hal Jordan (Green Lantern), Barry Allen, Kon-El | Conner Kent, Wally West Relationships: Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Whore Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne needs Sleep, Alfred Pennyworth needs a raise, Every Batkid is up to mess with their dad, Everyone is horny for Bruce but considering his fame and public persona we cannot judge, I have no idea where this story is going btw, We know no consistency like Argentinian economy so beware, This idea has been rotating like a rotisserie chicken in my mind for so fucking long, I curse all the fucking time so I'll be projecting that on the characters you've been warned, Fluff and Humor, This world is chaos and I'm the god that unleashed it, Dick is bisexual because COME ON HE'S THE MOST BISEXUAL CHARACTER OF ALL THE BATKIDS, Everyone's age is as weirdly fucked up as in canon, Could be ooc but considering there's decades of comics great series and movies, along with some truly awful ones and infinite universes it might as well be canon, I'm more familiar with Dick Jason Barbara and Tim than I'm with Cass Stephanie Damian and Luke, so I apologise in advance if I mix up or fuck up something (but do let me know!), This is full of shenanigans and a lot of second hand embarrassment, (If it's towards the characters or towards me it's up to you to decide lol), Jason's Lazarus pitt related stuff is mostly hc I have but kind of mix with canon, (the canon part being he was in there), This is the sum of an idiotic plot full of questionable decisions idiotic behaviour and situations, If idiocy is not your thing the walk away buddy, BUT if that's the kind of thing you're into then buckle up you're up to so much weird stupidity, For plot wise reasons all of Bruce's cell brains have abandoned the planet, and now he has to survive my imagination with the only one he has left (let the hunger games begin), There probably won't be any smut because I'm ace, and my lack of penis could end up as an obstacle in my writing, HOWEVER I do have an extensive theoretical knowledge on the matter, so you can have some hope or proceed with caution via https://ift.tt/JobnVlR

[sterlingarcher23]

Flying W - Wonder Woman.

The Winnebago RV used is from 1972 - The logo is called "Flying W" (and in 1986 the Winnebago RV industry established the Flying W program in to recognize select dealers for service excellence and superior customer satisfaction.)

I don't know about you but the version of this one in particular reminds me a bit of ...

They even shot her standing there with this logo in her back. And it's a "Flying W" like "If you want to stop One you will need to fly" again making a connection between One and Max or better: Max is One. One of the good Ones since there are only three Ones in the show: 00I and 0II.

Theres no doubt a strong connection towards Wonder Woman been made in the show.

That's issue 326 > 3+2+6=11.

The first issue of The Legend of Wonder Woman (the comic Lucas is reading to Max in the script if I recall correctly) was released in May 1986. Weird, did they want to push Will's birthday to May (Birthday gate) allegedly because it better fits the lip movement? - I doubt that this is an oversight and they didn't use it because it was released much later but another clue left in the script that March and May are interchangeable and there are potential timeline shenanigans in the show.

And since the Duffers like Upside-downs/inversions, just have some fun and invert Max's initials ... Or just the Wonder Woman logo.

And note that Mike offers El some M&Ms (because he didn't get his break...I mean KitKat) while Max is right there in the background. So MM=Max Mayfield. And certain fonts especially in the Wonder Woman logo once inverted give us different initials.

I guess reflections/Upside-downs/inversions/mirrors are all just a coincidence. There's nothing like this in the show at all. There's nothing to see here, folks! Or is there? That mirror shots are btw like a Stranger Things version of the Sherlock mirror.

If Henry's shadow is Vecna(Edward?), then Max's mirror is...El. The walkie talkie isn't very subtle. Seriously, I wouldn't do/talk about this if there weren't inversions and mirrors etc in show and it's not even very subtle. Many parallels people talk about are actually mirrors. (Even literal mirrors like the one 00I gets thrown through which then switches the alignment of the shards to give us a mirror of him and the "Zoomer"-El that fights back.) It was the first thing that I noticed and that's what started this.

Oh, and shall we guess who's in room 110? (Just saw it, so take it with a grain of salt but this looks like Maya behind the window.)

Mirrors: 011/110

So, MM=WW because as pointed out in the comic reading scene Wonder Woman has another name, alias or "alter ego": Princess Diana. Like Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Clark Kent is Superman etc etc

All you need is simple math. 5'6 / 5 6 =??

Nah, just imagining things.

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I do have an idea what the blue hair tie and yellow watch do resemble and mean as an allegory that totally fits the narrative. And yes, it's Wonder Woman linked too.

Had a post some time ago about the Lasso of Truth - and remember the poster for "Dear Billy"? It says "No more lies".

That Unbreakable is an inspo is obvious (and official) and David Dunn's weakness is water. (You know the whole rabies/fear of water thing which I likely will address in another post.) Nonetheless, the superhero coding is there.

[the-fyre-flie]

So... people hating on Justice League × RWBY, the two cross-over movies for DC and RWBY, has to be blown out of proportions or a joke... right? Cuz these movies are great. At least, in my opinion. They're fun and a bit stupid and incredibly entertaining for me, who's a fan of both DC (my current biggest fixation) and RWBY (my friend likes it so I must like it too) (Link to the movies at the bottom btw!)

Sure, I'll relent they're a little boring at times, and they completely butcher both DC and RWBY characters sometimes, but like... I finished watching a review by The Judgemental Critter (who I love btw and I think their opinions are pretty agreeable most of the time! No hate to them at all!) but a lot of the points just... don't make sense to me?

More Yappage Below

The animation and models being bad was said a lot, and while I can agree in some places like Weiss' weird skirt, saying the hands and faces look weird just... doesn't feel right? They look fine to me? I'm a 3D artist, I make thumbnails and promotional art for youtubers as a job and animate as a hobby, and the models look more than okay. The proportions are a bit wonky, but RWBYs animation has always been wonky. Calling the lowered framerate lazy and ugly also bugged me, cuz like... lowering the framerate to showcase sudden motions or lame actions is REALLY common. It isn't lazy, it's saving resources for moments you care about... like the fights. RWBY and DC both love their big flashy fights. Why would they waste time animating Blake picking a lock? RWBY itself is 90% fightscenes, so on top of that, why are you against big drawn-out fights?

I do agree that some of the designs suck specifically the heroes... I really really hate Bruce's Remnant costume being all black and gray. It's a personal pet peeve of mine when Batman isn't allowed color because I feel like it's antithetical to his entire character if he's all dark. Bruce needs to have some color, some light, or else he risks slipping right into the darkness that is Gotham. The same reason Robin is so brightly colored. It represents his hope for the city. So seeing all black/grey Batman with no color AND no cowl shape language bugged me. Anyways, here's my redesign, lol. Includes real bat ears, a half mask, and blue and yellow splashes! Nothing major!

The way they didn't really include Cyborg, Vixen, or Flash in the story for 70% of it bugged me too, but trying to say the Teen Titans would be better irked me slightly Sure, they might relate better as teens, but a major part of the story's conflict is Ruby being young and struggling to control her team because it's easy for people to overlook her or ignore what she has to say while Clark feels all that confidance from normally being an adult dude running an adult team. The JL being adults turned into teens puts them into a unique position where, unlike with the Teen Titans or Young Justice back home, they they have no real power or leverage over RWBY or JNPR. This is a conflict for both sets of people, and simply wanting "better character moments" feels like a cheap way to just nitpick. Especially when you also claim you dislike how much standing around and exposition there is. If Raven of all people showed up to brood, she would have to explain why she's so broody, which is just more loredumps you stated you didn't like. The movies over explaining of Semblance and Dust would have been way worse they were also forced to explain every DC heros past. This movie is very clearly targeting DC fans who have some knowledge on RWBY but are not super into the series. Note how the movies never once explain Batman, Superman, Vixen, Flash, or Cyborgs powers, and the time they spent vaugly talking about Wonder Womans it's turned into a trauma dump between Blake and Diana? They expect you to already know their stories. They way Clark and Bruce talk about their parents but not his planet is simplified down for RWBY fans because DC fans are expected to know this stuff.

On that note... Bruce was never debating leaving Gotham behind. It's pretty obvious in the movies. When Weiss offers for him to stay, he never responded. When Diana brought it up to him, his top priority is helping more, but he doesn't specify if he means Remnant or Gotham. As dumb as someone might think "they've been turned into teens" is as a point, it's very much an important plot point for Bruce. When he was a teen, he was the only man of the Wayne household, training to be Batman, still dealing with his grief over his parents. He truly never got to be a real teen. This is also the first time he's had real actual powers (at least in this very messy canon), and it's important to him, and it's clouding some of his judgment as a teen. But him liking having powers is not him willing to ditch Gotham. As soon as he was back on Earth, he was in Gotham, helping. There was never a debate. It was him dealing with the fact that he felt inferior. Literally, it's hormones and anxiety about not doing enough as Batman without powers. Is it a little goofy that Batman is insecure? Yes. Is it him abandoning his code? No.

Tho I do hate how he pretends his father literally didn't become batman in an alternate reality. Like Come on Bruce, Thomas was willing to throw down the same way you are, you did not "let go of their expectations".

More Bruce rant, his Semblance is very clearly not heat vision. It's Detective Vision (as named by the wiki). In the first showcase of his Semblance, he's not seeing the heat off Weiss or the electrical wire. It's noting the most important features of the room and how to escape. This is showcased more in the fight with Kilg%re!Barry, where his Semblance specifically notes the Morse Code and translated it. It's just super investigation powers. Which is lame... but it's not heat vision. I felt like I had to correct that.

I'd like to end this rant here even tho I said a lot more in dms to my friend... I feel bad just... 'responding' to someone who will never see it or care about my opinions. I really do like Judgmentals judgments (lol) 90% of the time, but I also feel really passionately about these particular movies, seeing as it combine me and my friends' two favorite things. It feels very close to home in a way, I guess. I hope people go and watch the movies and enjoy them!

I've linked both parts here to Internet Archive! The rips are a little weird in quality (very dark for some reason?) But they are the full movies!

Part 1

Part 2