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powerup-the-revolution · 2 years ago

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raw unbridled thoughts because I just saw the KNY movie and I am!!! full of emotions!!!

spoilers galore though so read at your own risk, i know it's not released in US theaters yet but in case you want a "little" preview, here it is !!

MAN!!!!!! i would have paid 12 euros just to see a remake of the last two entertainement district episodes in 4k, but man did I get my money's worth :')

it all started with a quick recap of the first seasons, with Gurenge and Homura as BGM, so the hype was already off the charts. I didn't dare sing along but I mouthed the lyrics and man was it good to hear it all with the images on the big screen ;w;

speaking of sound design though, my cinema's speakers weren't optimal, it felt like the music was coming only from the front and some of the noises were horribly loud. Remember when Gyutaro breaks Tanjiro's fingers? MAN. Overall, the musical experience was wayyyy better at home with headphones, but at least the visuals more than made up for it.

I won't go too much into detail over episodes 10/11, because the screening was pretty much identical to the regular episodes. The end of episode 10 still hits super hard, the sudden quietness and the billowing smoke... simply mindblowing on a large screen. We even had opening and ending credits, which made this very different from the Mugen Train experience, but the audience needed time to breathe haha

Uzui's battle against Gyutaro was really made to be viewed like this. You have a much better sense of all the details ufotable put into the whole thing when you're watching on such a large screen.

alright alright i gotta move on to the most exciting part. The actual opening of S3 played at the very end, so the transition towards the next arc was opened by none other than Gotou, finding the squad all passed out in the rubble. Man do I love this guy, he really feels like the "normal dude that the 20-something audience will root for" trope.

The upper moon meeting was... both mindblowing and somewhat overwhelming. There were lots of flashing effects and very insistent transitions, with (in my opinion) too many visual effects that bloated the scenes without really adding too much to them. I now that ufotable is probably just flexing their skills because this was MADE for cinemas, but still, it felt a little 'too much' to my taste. But then I'm easily overwhelmed by flashing things, so that's surely just a matter of personal preference.

The insistent transitions aside, that scene was just amazing. The inifity castle is an amazing place that reminded me a LOT of that scene towards the end of Interstellar. Muzan's science equipment looked very REAL, I bet that ufotable has been using real life footage to put it together.

And now... I can't really avoid talking about him, can I? Douma. I despise this character with everything I have and I even more despise the way the fandom treats him... and man I'm in for a ride. Curse you Miyano Mamoru. How DARE you be so GOOD at your job??? He's really THE most outstanding cast in the whole series in my humble opinion. I was already in love with the VA for his previous roles (Dazai from BSD!! Rintarou from Steins;Gate!!) and he's bringing the perfect vibe to Douma, I can already feel the fandom misinterpreting him more :') I absolutely cannot wait for his performance in the Infinity Castle. It'll be amazing.

May I also say : thank you Akaza. He had me cheering out loud in my seat when he chopped half of Douma's face off (and immediately got scolded for it like a naughty boy by Dad Kokushibo lmao). Thank you, Akaza. I'd almost forgive you for making Rengoku donuts ;(

I don't have much more to say about the rest of the Upper Moons because they hardly left a impression on me when I read the manga. Their voices are a pretty good fit, and I don't doubt that ufotable will make them shine.

The dream sequence was short but very well done. Alas I must shorten my speech too because I'm so excited to get to the next part.

Cue Gotou walking around with a very tasty looking Castella. Thanks ufotable now I wish I'd bought popcorn. He's funny as always, the way he gets mad at Kanao for not telling anything is even funnier animated, and the apparition of ghost Aoi just the same

And now... ladies and gentlemen and nonbinary folks... it's time... for HIM....

THE CEILING BOAR.....

He definitely got the loudest laugh from the audience out of the whole movie. I feel so proud :') The way he's clinging to the ceiling is just too hilarious, with Tanjirou's like "so Inosuke on the ceiling..." coming before we actually see him, which had the laughter really explode. The comedic timing is absolutely perfect. I cannot wait to make 414630316 giftsets from this scene when the season is released.

Matsuoka really nailed the "SO YOU NOTICED ME, TANPACHIROU!!!" I'd been picturing it in my head for so long and it was exactly as I thought it'd sound like. The book about the honey badger was actually in english, I can't wait to see what else it says when we get a longer look. Inosuke looked like he had no idea what was going on, and Aoi telling him to get off the bed was just perfect. The way she clung to him when Kanao spoke up... *chef's kiss*.

I cannot wait to make a transparent edit of the ceiling boar so it can become my icon on every website forever haha

I have to be honest and say I paid a little less attention afterwards :') i was on a little cloud thanks to the ceiling boar. Though we got to meet some adorable kakushi, the scene of them dancing amongst the crows was really neat. Big up to the Kakushi for all their hard work!

Our good bois go off to work (and Zenitsu destroys the fourth wall by fawning over... Aoi, who yells at him through the shreds of the fourth wall haha), and that's it, that's all we're gonna see of Inosuke and Zenitsu this season ::')))))) hahahaha..... i am not upset at all.....

And then... well, there's some fanservice (and I'm not even talking about the bath scene). An unusual amount of it for KNY. A very very BLERGH from me. Even the audience seemed a little unconfortable. It's nothing harmful, it's just a little dumb and out of place.

The swordsmith village feels a little underwhelming in terms of design and general aesthetic, but it's no wonder when it's coming after the mesmerizing entertainment district. I'm definitely gonna miss the ambience of it all, though ufotable will probably impress me anyways.

Genya's here and he's pissed as always. I cannot unhear the Bakugo in him. Put your teeth back where they belong, boy.

Mitsuri is very wholesome though!!! I'm trying my hardest to cling to her as my favorite character this season (with lil' Kotetsu!! a baby!!). Ufotable, you better treat her well. I am BEGGING you.

aaand I think that's it from me. The hype did not disappoint. As a big fan of Inosuke and Zenitsu, I'm going into this arc without much to expect, as it's by far my least favorite in the series anyway. Still, Ufotable is going to do an awesome job, the characters might grow on me, the voice actors will be mindblowing, the music will be amazing, and well... I cannot wait for what will come next :3c

#kny spoilers #kimetsu no yaiba #demon slayer #kny #long story short: thank you for the good food ufotable #if i didn't have to get up at 6am for work i would have immediately gone back to see it again

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eleanoarguthrie · 3 years ago

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wait i have more thoughts about vane actually

when we meet him in s3, he’s the most cooperative he’s ever been! he and flint are working together; as part of the partnership vane has ceded that flint is a better naval commander than he is (as vane’s in charge of the nassau ground militia). we learn that the only reason the partnership was able to happen was because vane defended jack to flint and stood between them. vane’s intro in s3 is being furious that jack tricked him into going after slave labour to rebuild the fort. eleanor being gone is doing wonders for his temperament, huh

anyway so there’s all of that, and then Teach shows up and immediately indicates exactly why Vane is the way he is; the sort of aggressive, uncompromising hypermasculine figure that Vane was in s1 - and vane promptly defends jack and his investment in nassau, does not seek Teach’s approval, does not revert to who he was previously

#growth babey #cannot wait for the rest of his s3 arc #i just love characters who are dragged kicking and screaming into Caring About Other People #bsrewatch

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bestworstcase · 4 years ago

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"[Rapunzel] stops accepting blame for things that aren’t her fault". I've seen this mentioned before on other blogs talking about Rapunzel's character growth over the series, but I don't understand what it's referring to. Sorry if this is too vague/broad an ask, but what are you thinking of in seasons 1 and 2 when you say that Rapunzel has learned to stop taking the blame for things that aren't her fault by season 3? Apart from Rapunzel's Enemy and maybe QFAD, I can't think of anything.

i think this is one of the more understated things about rapunzel’s characterization in that there is never like, a specific moment where rapunzel Verbalizes acceptance of blame for things she clearly isn’t responsible for, but it still imo informs a lot of her behavior?

and it goes all the way back to the film. right out of the gate we see that guilt tripping and blame passing are two of gothel’s chief weapons: when rapunzel’s feelings get hurt by one of gothel’s “jokes,” gothel chides rapunzel to “stop taking everything so seriously,” which is abuser-speak for “nothing i say is wrong, it’s your fault if you’re hurt.”

then there’s digs like “oh, rapunzel, you know i hate leaving you after a fight—especially when i’ve done absolutely nothing wrong...”

and the big one, after gothel loses her temper and yells at rapunzel, and then immediately collapses disconsolately into a chair and says “ugh, great—now i’m the bad guy.” overtly blaming rapunzel for “making” gothel snap at her. (this of course gets called back to at the end of the film, though it’s less a guilt trip there than it is a threat.)

aaaand right before “mother knows best (reprise)” when rapunzel asks how gothel found her, gothel says, “oh, it was easy, i just listened for the sound of complete and utter betrayal and followed that.” this one imo is the clearest illustration of how all this impacts rapunzel emotionally, because she goes from scared/alarmed/startled to just. sagging, in obvious guilt.

but then of course there’s also the scene right after rapunzel leaves the tower, where we see her oscillating wildly from jubilance to despair and guilt as she frets over what her leaving will “do” to gothel, how mad / upset / betrayed gothel will feel, etc. so even when gothel isn’t there, actively reinforcing this behavior, we can see that rapunzel very much feels that gothel’s feelings are her responsibility—and if gothel is upset, that’s rapunzel’s fault.

anyway!! all this adds up to rapunzel leaving the tower with this subconscious mindset that all problems are her problems, and we see this expressed very early on in s1. i would even argue as early as before ever after... with both frederic and eugene.

BEA goes really hard right out of the gate with driving home how restless and uncomfortable rapunzel feels in corona; how stifled she is, and how badly she wants to go out and explore the wider world. but it also shows how hard she tries to stuff it down, because her success as a princess is “important to [her] dad.” she tries to bring up her discontent with eugene, but in a roundabout way so as to avoid actually saying she’s unhappy—and then when he says that he’s perfectly happy and content, rapunzel takes a deep breath and agrees with him. it isn’t overt text, but she’s still in “managing other people’s feelings” mode, and there’s a reason the only person she is honest about her own feelings with is cassandra—because cassandra signals very clearly that she is not going to feel hurt, offended, or disappointed if rapunzel is less than happy in corona. quite the opposite, cass is the one who suggests sneaking out in the first place!

now obviously, neither fred’s nor eugene’s feelings are rapunzel’s responsibility and i think both would be horrified to know that rapunzel feels like it’s her job to make them happy... but that doesn’t really matter, because rapunzel has been trained all her life to do this and that’s not a pattern that just goes away overnight.

and then also in BEA, we see how quick rapunzel is to castigate herself for doing something that upsets someone else... when eugene proposes and she panics and runs away, her reaction is “i feel horrible about eugene” and to feel guilty/upset about not wanting to marry him Right Now.

aaaand of course caine blaming rapunzel for stuff frederic did goes entirely unremarked upon, partly because things like the hair reveal took priority over that but partly also, in my opinion, because rapunzel just kind of Accepted That because she’s so used to being blamed for everything.

this is sort of a recurring theme throughout a lot of s1. you mentioned RE, but for the sake of completeness—i think the most telling thing in that ep is that, when rapunzel finds out what booing really signifies, her first question is what could i have done to this person?, because the concept that this might be a HIM problem doesn’t even cross her mind. she assumes that it’s her fault he doesn’t like her.

and then there’s stuff like pascal’s story, which i think is an interesting one because like... frankly, it’s not entirely rapunzel’s fault that she stood pascal up. yes, as the princess she could have stood up at six o’clock on the dot to say no more petitions, i am going to dinner. but also she’s the princess, and she’s busy, and pascal’s story is as much an episode about pascal learning that just because rapunzel is busy that doesn’t mean she doesn’t still love him as much as it is about rapunzel learning how to navigate work/life balance—but it’s also very clear that rapunzel’s perspective is “i have been a HORRIBLE friend and i need to put EVERYTHING ELSE on hold until i have FIXED my TERRIBLE BEHAVIOR” when the reality is more like “rapunzel and pascal are both going through a major adjustment period and need to have a realistic talk about expectations now that rapunzel is, like, training to rule a country.”

in painter’s block, rapunzel feels so traumatized by the (largely correct) decisions she made in QFAD that she can’t make any decisions at all and falls prey to sugracha’s manipulation, and i personally think this is the beginning of the tipping point for her where she begins to see that hey... she’s just a person, she literally cannot be responsible for every bad thing that happens, she can’t be in two places at once, she can’t fix everything for everyone... and sometimes she needs to prioritize one problem over the other. that’s why the emotional climax of that episode is rapunzel saying “difficult choices are what make us who we are.” that’s her letting go of the horrific guilt she felt about choosing corona over varian, and letting eugene and the others put themselves in danger to save her parents.

that epiphany carries her through SOTS and enables her to make the tough calls she needs to make re: stopping varian, but it also doesn’t mean that her tendency to blame herself for stuff that isn’t her fault goes away altogether. just look at BTCW: while she’s trying to make sense of how/why eugene could be marrying stalyan, her first instinct is to blame herself. to wonder if maybe this is a response to her kind of sort of turning down his kind of sort of second proposal.

and the rest of the vardaros arc is like... i would say half rapunzel delaying moving on because she’s scared of what waits for her at the end of the black rock trail (as freebird confirms) and half rapunzel making vardaros’s problems her problems and trying to fix them because she feels responsible.

curses is... not a good episode (canardist, why) but the plot basically hinges on canardist successfully making rapunzel feel guilty / dubious enough about taking back her own telescope that she starts buying into the curse stuff and psyching herself out.

*as a sidebar here, there are also instances in this same period of rapunzel acknowledging her culpability in stuff she DID do wrong, for example in under raps—but in these cases, it’s interesting to me to note that her apologies actually aren’t very good apologies. in the under raps example, for instance, she also foists off blame on cassandra (saying basically, well i wouldn’t have interfered and put you in danger if you had told me everything, even though i am terrible at keeping secrets and we both know it). and this makes sense, because gothel certainly did not model good, healthy apologizing habits for rapunzel, lol. so she’s in this weird zone where she tends to feel guilty for everything / feels responsible for other people’s feelings but when she DOES mess up for realsies she also doesn’t really have the skills to navigate a true apology. this poor girl

i would say that RATGT is about the point where rapunzel switches gears from accepting blame (both for things that aren’t her fault, like all this stuff, and for things that are, like when she apologized to cass for being a dick in goodbye and goodwill or when she apologized to pascal for belittling him in king pascal) to sort of... overcorrecting and entering her “i’m right, you’re wrong” phase. RATGT is when she starts overtly shutting cass down, and RATGT is when cass’s injury happens—something so horrific and scary that i tend to think rapunzel just cannot process the guilt. it’s too much, too painful, and not something she is emotionally equipped to hold onto or work through in a healthy way...

...so she shoves it away and blames cass instead, very openly. she transmutes her guilt into anger, lessening the pain she feels. and she sticks to that throughout RDO, throughout the rest of s2, and evidently through the rest of the series given she literally never apologizes for it. which is outside of the scope of what you asked alksdfjklsfd but i tend to think basically, rapunzel is not very good at distinguishing between “i feel guilty, but it isn’t my fault” and “i feel guilty, because it is my fault” so in the process of unlearning the former behavior she also forces away the latter, and at the end of s3 she’s in a place where she needs to re-learn how to feel guilt in a healthy, reasonable way. because guilt isn’t always a bad emotion, sometimes it’s just your brain’s way of saying “i did something bad, and i want to make up for it” and That’s Good.

#rta #im just rambling but bhjhjfhjdfs #i guess in the broader sense anon #'blame' here doesn't exclusively mean 'feeling guilty'#it also means 'feeling responsible'#anyway this is a bit of a mess but these are my thoughts #Anonymous

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cerastes · 5 years ago

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BTW what is your opinion about S3 of Castillos Vania? I'm very interested in your thoughts

ALRIGHT, SO, LET’S ADDRESS THE DULLAHAN IN THE ROOM. It goes without saying this post contains Castlevania Season 3 spoilers.

So, Season 3. The weakest, really. By far. I still overall and barely enjoyed watching it, but it is easily the weakest. Now, in the greater scheme of things, maybe this was just a bold move, maybe when Season 4 comes out, we’ll only look back at it for what it is: A transitory set of episodes leading somewhere. Right now, in the present? We can be far less generous.

It felt, quite simple, very weird and aimless. I think the only thing worthy of note here, in the present, is, hilariously enough, Isaac’s arc. Isaac, of all people. Now, I love Netflix!Isaac, and I love what we’re exploring with him. But, I think we should’ve been able to see more with the protagonists simultaneously, you see? It’s not like we had any shortage of screen time, but… What everyone else did felt pretty aimless and meaningless.

Now, as I said, Isaac’s arc is really good. I love how it’s progressing, I love his experiences, I love him. I’d say he’s a really good change in every way from his PS2 incarnation.

Trevor and Sypha’s arc felt… Disjointed. It felt very slow for what could’ve ended in two-three episodes. It just feels a bit unnatural, if you ask me, to have Mister and Miss Beatdown patiently scope out actual satanists instead of just barging in and absolutely beating the shit out of them. I’m glad we saw Saint Germain! Probably the highlight of that arc. I just think that otherwise it was a very drawn out nothing otherwise. You can present to the viewer that the land is still fucked up without spending the entire season slowburning like that, especially when it feels out of character.

Hector’s arc, ooph, ok, I have thoughts here, so bear with me: I’m hopeful it will turn into something great down the road. I WANT to believe this is all groundwork for when eventually Hector has his big “I’ve Had ENOUGH” scene and just absolutely fucking wilds out. Unlike “Kickboxing God And Walking Arsenal” PS2 Hector, however, Twink Hector is a weak baby who doesn’t know how to fight directly… But he still has the signature Hector willpower. He’s a weak baby by himself, but he still tried to attack and threaten Lenore. Sure, all it got him was yet another brutal asswhooping, but that’s who Hector is: The One That Gets In Fistfights With Supernatural Creatures (ever think about how Hector wields a sword in exactly one cutscene in Curse of Darkness, and in the rest of the game’s cutscenes, he’s not only wielding no weapon, but also shown to be using hand to hand combat techniques? Including when he beats Isaac? Implying his canon weapon is deadass fist weapons? I think about this a lot). I want to be hopeful that this is all groundwork for the moment in which Hector finally sees Lady Luck’s smile and aaaaaabsolutely 70 Million Power Muscle Sparks Carmilla, Lenore, maybe Isaac, and all who dare stand in his demon-fueled path of anger and revenge. Probably by summoning some really badass demon army who does all that for him, but still. I want to be hopeful, and so, I will wait to see what happens with his arc in the future. I am an optimist, after all… But not a hopeless one: If I see that the future seasons fail to deliver any sort of satisfactory development or conclusion to Hector’s tale, I will be the first to denounce it and dunk on Netflixvania, mark my words.

Aaaaaaaand…

sigh

And… Alucard’s arc.

What the fuck was that.

Aimless. Pointless. Went quite literally nowhere. I was super on board with it right until they put the bracelet on him. It felt so forced, suddenly, these two have deep seated complexes about betrayal? That never once came up before? Not even a hint? Ok, the closest thing to a hint was Taka being like “He’s hiding stuff from us, I KNOW it”, but… In the context of the scene? It could’ve meant a number of other things as well. And, I mean, it’s not like Alucard was not teaching them ANYTHING. Yes, he was taking his time, but we are even shown he’s teaching them really valuable things like “use and master a long weapon, because being close to a vampire is exactly where you don’t wanna be” and, you know, access to the Entire Wikipedia Of Monster Killing AKA Leon Belmont’s Wet And Wild Repository. Where the fuck did that come from, then? Suddenly they hate Alucard? And then we get the obligatory shot suggesting Alucard will become Bad Vlad 2: Revenge Of The Impaler? Look, I’m fine with creative liberties even when I disagree with them (such as cutting out Grant Danasty entirely), because sometimes they bring good stuff to the table (such as this version of Hector), but you cannot possibly begin to tell me they are going to really, really miss the point of Alucard as a whole this hard. If they go down this route for real, yeah, I lose all respect. Alucard is not exactly a complicated character to understand, and again, creative liberties are good, but also, you do have a responsibility to properly understand what makes the character, the character.

And those would be my thoughts. Isaac arc good. TrevorSypha arc weird. Hector arc hopefully groundwork to something good. Alucard arc horrible. End Ted Talk.

#redwhitebreeze #the final two episodes were hard to watch

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kiss-my-freckle · 5 years ago

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It’s not like my Agnes theory came out of nowhere, and not like my theory for her arc isn’t supported by evidence. There’s massive amounts of it in show. That’s how I was able to theorize Kirk’s stem cell donation. If I’m right and Agnes gets hit, I’m gonna ask JB if Kirk’s stem cell storyline was their initial intention.

The warnings from Red started in S3 and continued on into S6. And I’m not just talking about Agnes, I’m talking about Tom Keen’s identity. That’s on top of the many dialogues they handed us for certain characters and their intentions regarding Agnes’ safety. They have so much feeding the Agnes arc it isn’t funny.

There’s no reason not to consider it. I’ll edit to add while I continue going through the scripts. There’s just so much of it to pull together at once. S3 is finished. I’m still pouring through S4-S6. There’s a lot of it, so I’m taking breaks.

Season 3

3x12 -

Liz: Tom. Red: What I did was for your protection. Liz: Taking his job away. Red: I’m not a threat to your safety, Lizzy. Or your child’s. On the contrary. I can guarantee it. But I cannot do that if you run away.

3x15 -

Red: He’s reckless, dangerous. He’s not worthy of being your husband, and he sure as hell is not worthy of raising that child.

Red: People say youth is wasted on the young. I disagree. I believe wisdom is wasted on the old. All you can do is part with it, but very few will take it. Least of all, the people closest to you. They want no part of it. No matter how often I warn you about Tom, you seem intent on discovering those perils for yourself. I know I say things that unsettle you about the dangers that lie ahead. I know I anger you with things I say about Tom. But if I’ve ever given you the impression that you won’t survive this, that you and your child aren’t going to have the simple life that I know you long for, I’m sorry. Because you are going to have that, Lizzy.

3x17 -

Red: I’m here to ask you, to implore you - please, don’t do this. I’m telling you, no matter what you believe, Tom is not the man you think he is. Liz: You’re wrong. You don’t know him. Red: He’s a criminal. Liz: No. He’s changed. Red: Men like Tom don’t change. You’re attempting to build a life with a man who is fundamentally dishonest. Liz: No. I am attempting to build a life with the father of my child. A normal life with two parents who love one another. With everything you know about me, can’t you see that? Can’t you see how important that is to me? To my child? Red: You were wrong about him once. What makes you so sure you’re not wrong this time? Do you really want your child to pay the price for that mistake for the rest of his or her life?

3x18 -

Kaplan: Stop it, Raymond! This has little to do with Dembe and nothing to do with that poor girl in there. She’s been telling you for months that you’re a danger to her baby. This is on you, Raymond. Nobody else. You were wrong to make her believe you could keep her safe. You made us all believe.

Liz: I’m scared for my little girl. Nik: Push the meds. Red: It’s the children whom the world almost breaks who grow up to save it. Liz: I don’t want that for her. Red: I wasn’t talking about her. I was talking about you, Elizabeth.

3x19 -

Red: She’ll need protection. Tom: Only if you’re in her life. Go. Stay away. I won’t let you make the same mistake with her that you made with Liz.

3x20 -

Samar: Reddington’s guys? Tom: Yeah. Not that I asked them to be here. Samar: They’re here for her protection. Tom: Yeah, well, I don’t want Reddington or his goons to be any part of her life.

3x22 -

Tom: Give me my little girl. She’s all I care about. Scottie: I remember my little one looking up at me, eyes full of wonder. They say losing a child is something one never recovers from. I hope you never experience that kind of loss.

3x23 -

Kaplan: What do you want to know, Raymond? If I’m sorry? Yes. I’m sorry you weren’t more honest with Elizabeth from the beginning. I’m sorry you wanted to know her so desperately that you convinced yourself we could keep her safe. I couldn’t sit back and watch you make the same mistake with Agnes. I didn’t betray you. I did what I’ve always done - protected you - this time, from yourself. Red: You’re wrong. Kaplan: I won’t tell you where they are. Red: You don’t understand, Kate. I know where they are, and so does Alexander Kirk. Kaplan: Kirk? Red: He was tracking Tom. He knows they’re in Cuba. He’s flying there as we speak. Kaplan: No. Red: I need an address. I know you had her best interests at heart, that you were trying to protect her, but now, because of you, Agnes is in grave danger. Kaplan: Not just Agnes.

Red: How? Kaplan: The how won’t change anything. I suppose I knew what I would do that afternoon in the car on the drive to the mobile ICU. That poor girl, so afraid. Always looking over her shoulder, in the dark about who she was and why it mattered. But it wasn’t just about Elizabeth anymore. Her child was already paying the price for her association with you.

Kaplan [Flashback]: I know you’re afraid, sweetie. You should be. Agnes will never be safe in Raymond’s world. The question is, how far are you willing to go to protect her?

Red: Had it really come to that? Kaplan: She loved her daughter that much. Yes, Raymond. It had come to that.

Season 4

4x2 -

Kate: This is my fault. If anything happens to Elizabeth or the baby ... Tom: You have nothing to apologize for. You tried to help us find a normal life. I’d take that risk again. [ To Red ] I don’t regret trying to get away from you. Red: Of course you don’t. Regret requires age or wisdom. Tom: We were trying to protect Agnes.

4x3 -

Tom: We have no idea where she is or what he’s doing with her. Liz: Kirk thinks Agnes is his granddaughter, so he won’t hurt her.

Tom: Time for our feeding? Red: Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. He’s here for your protection.

Liz: Agnes ... Red: We’re making progress.

Red: You can have your virus. All I want is Agnes in return. Kirk: I don’t think so, old boy. I’ll die before you ever hold my granddaughter again.

Tom: So he’s gonna give himself leukemia? Isn’t that gonna kill him? Red: Eventually. But by offsetting his blood disease, he buys himself a few more precious years. Liz: No one could be that desperate. Red: But he is that desperate, Elizabeth. Because he no longer has you. You wanted to know why he went so far to find you, why there seemed to be nothing he wouldn’t do to physically get hold of you - now you know. He needs a biological descendant to save his life - a genetic donation from the woman he believes to be his long-lost daughter. That’s what you are to him - a collection of cells. This isn’t about saving you from me. This is about saving you for him. Liz: Well, he doesn’t have me. Tom: No. But he has Agnes.

4x4 -

Kirk: Six months? Reifler: Maybe. Maybe less. But we both knew this day was coming. Your body would start rejecting the transfusions. It’s remarkable it’s lasted this long. Odette: There is a solution. Kirk: We’ve already discussed this. Reifler: It’s unacceptable. Odette: Easy for you to say. You’re not the one that’s gonna die. Kirk: No, I am, and I agree with Sebastian. Odette: The girl is your only option. Kirk: We’re exploring other cures. Odette: We were - before we lost the Ribowski virus, before the U.S. government froze your assets. Reifler: If the girl is a genetic match - and there’s no guarantee that she is - extracting stem cells from such a young child is extremely dangerous and could prove fatal. Odette: Hippocrates bounds the doc to do no harm. He’s giving you coulds, mights. I am under no such obligation. I am giving you facts. We are out of time, and we are out of resources. The only way to save your life - is if we put that child’s in jeopardy.

Liz: I don’t think he’ll hurt her. Tom: Of course he will. She’s his last chance of survival. Liz: If he hurts her, he loses me. Tom: Yeah, and lives.

Tom: I’m not gonna fight with you about this, Liz! I did what I thought was best! And nobody is sorrier than me that it didn’t work! Liz: Oh, no. I know someone who’s sorrier. Our daughter - who now, because of you, is God knows where.

Odette: I know you don’t want to. But you need to use the child.

Soundtrack -

“So now if it's not too late to ask for more I hope that you will find what you are looking for”

4x6 -

Liz: Tell me about Agnes. Kirk: She’s healthy. She’s happy. Can’t wait to see her mother.

Liz: Don’t shoot! He’s got Agnes! Kirk: Don’t! You may lack the courage to do what must be done, but I do not. I will take her with me - one way or the other. Red: This is madness, Constantin. Because you cannot have that child, you’re gonna take her forever from her mother? It’s madness. Constantin, this needs to end - now. Kirk: Yes. You’re right. It needs to end. Red: Stand down. Stand down! Liz: Don’t do this. Kirk: There is no other way, solnishko. This man - that took your mother away from us, took you from me - he will not have my granddaughter. Liz: And I hate him as much as you do for it. But if you love me, if you ever loved me - just give her to me.

4x7 -

Liz: I’m not helping you escape. Kirk: I know. You just don’t see it. That you’ve helped ... already. More than you could ever poss ...

Wright: An average person has between 150 to 400,000 platelets per microliter of blood. Mr. Kirk’s is under 10,000. I’d expect to see intracranial bleeding within hours. Cooper: Treatment? Liz: He’s been receiving transfusions for many years. Wright: If I give him another at this point, he’s liable to suffer autoimmune shock. Liz: And if you don’t? Wright: He bleeds to death. Once we get the test results back, I’ll formulate a treatment plan. But my guess is, all this firepower is wasted. Cooper: How’s that? Wright: Unless he has a blood relative willing to donate stem cells his body won’t reject, your prisoner will be dead by morning.

Liz: How’s Agnes? Tom: She’s fine. Screaming. I know we’re supposed to let her cry herself to sleep, but talk about cruel and unusual.

4x13 -

Red: I heard about Tom’s father. How did Tom react? Liz: Disinterested. Red: Good. Liz: Why do you say that?

Tom: My father is dead. She’s the only one left who knows who I am. Red: You’re Elizabeth’s husband and Agnes’ father. Tom: Who I was. Red: You need to stay away from Scottie Hargrave. Tom: Yeah, I know. You said that. My question is why? Red: My question is “why not?” You have a wife and a child and a life. Leave well enough alone. Tom: I told Liz I would, that it doesn’t matter. And it doesn’t. It wouldn’t, except that you told me not to let Scottie Hargrave know that I am her son, that if I did, I would never find the truth I’ve been looking for. What does that mean? Red: He’s dead, Tom. Tom: What truth? You knew my father. Red: I had a brief professional relationship with your father, a man who wrestled with significant demons. I know his wife, your mother, is a manipulative creature whose own husband didn’t trust her, whose answers to the questions you want to answer could never be trusted. All that really matters is that you vanished off the face of the earth nearly 30 years ago, and yet here you are. Leave the past in the past, Tom. Nothing good will come from digging up secrets.

4x18 -

Liz: So you served Reddington up on a silver platter to the FBI. You did that for me. Kate: Not you, Elizabeth. I’ve already failed you. I did it for Agnes. Liz: I can protect my own daughter just fine, thank you. Kate: Like you did today? What if I was one of Raymond’s enemies that would do anything to get at him? Please, do what your mother never had the courage to do until it was too late.

Season 5

5x2 -

Tom: When did she get so big? Was I really gone that long? Liz: Oh, it happens fast. Tom: You know what we need? Liz: To have sex? Tom: We need to get married. We never got married. Liz: Yeah. Great. First, let’s have sex.

5x5 -

Tom: I think Nik was killed by a guy named Pete McGee. Nik asked him to ID a skeleton I’d given him. He got a DNA sample and ran it against the federal database. Now, I know the ID is extremely valuable, because Reddington wants to keep it secret. But I didn’t know that people would kill for it. Now Nik’s dead, McGee is gone. And the only lead I have on him and that ID is the clinic he worked at - a place where experimental drugs are tested on human guinea pigs. Yeah, I know. Not much of a plan. If you got a better one, I’m all ears. Don’t look at me like that all right? Rose is gonna be here to take care of you, and we both know she’s your favorite. And no, I am not lying to Mommy, all right? I want her to know the truth. That’s why I need to ID these bones without anybody knowing. It’s not a lie. It’s just delayed honesty.

5x7 -

Red: Are you okay? Liz: I’m better than okay. I’m great. We’re great - Tom and I. We got married. See? Now’s normally when people say “congratulations.” Red: Sorry. Tom and I have had our differences, but I believe he wants what’s best for you. And Agnes. Congratulations, Elizabeth. Liz: Thank you. You know, um - for the first time in a very long time, I feel - I don’t know - Happy.

5x8 -

Tom: I need to see you alone, alright? Have Rosa take Agnes, go to the house, and make sure that nobody follows you.

5x9 -

Liz: I don’t know who killed Tom or why. But I saw them. And so they might come after me, and if they did, and anything should happen to Agnes - Scottie: Liz, I told you you don’t have to explain that to me. Liz: This is hardest thing I’ve ever done. I’m just so angry, and she knows it. And I can’t make it go away. Scottie: Agnes will be fine. Liz: And what about you? What about the pain you’re feeling, the anger? Can you protect her from that? Scottie: I spent 30 years mourning Tom’s loss. Where you are now - I was there the day he disappeared from that beach when he was a little boy. Yes, I’m sad and angry. But Tom coming back to me after all these years was a gift. Liz: He loved you very much. Scottie: It couldn’t have been easy for him. Testifying for me against his father. But he didn’t hesitate. The boy I’d given up for dead came back to life to save me. And to give me his beautiful baby girl, who I’m gonna spoil rotten. Liz: She loves Cheerios, and Thomas the Train in the morning. And she gets so cranky if she’s hot at night, so just a light blanket. Scottie: Liz. She’s gonna be fine. She is. Okay. I’m gonna take good care of her. She’ll be healthy and happy. And when you are - and that will happen - you’ll take her back.

Red: You’ve entrusted Agnes to Scottie Hargrave? Liz: Yes. To Tom’s mother. Red: Who ordered a hit on your wedding. Liz: She didn’t know who we were. She’s a good person, and she’ll keep Agnes safe. Look, I know you took care of her while I was in the hospital, and I can’t thank you enough for that, but this is my decision. And I need you to respect that. Red: Okay, I will. I want you to promise me something. Liz: What? Red: That you’ll grieve.

5x12 -

Liz: I gave Agnes up until this is over. If I miss even one more day with her than is absolutely necessary because you’re not being completely honest with - Red: But I am being honest. I do know, but I can’t say. I’m not trying to be clever. It’s not an ambiguity. It’s the truth. I have a secret, and I need to keep it even from you.

Red: I know how hard this is. Liz: I need your help to find Tom’s killer. I need it, but I don’t know if I can trust it. Red: You won’t miss a day more with her than is absolutely necessary. You have my word. Liz: And you have mine. That I’m gonna honor Tom’s dying wish. Red: Which was? Liz: For me to know your truth.

5x14 -

Fulton: Let’s talk about your daughter. Liz: She’s with her grandmother until this ends. Fulton: Until what ends? Liz: Until I find closure.

5x15 -

Liz: I have a daughter too. She’s not with me right now either. She’s with her grandmother. I have to get through this first. Singleton: My ex’s guy lives in Orlando. Except for vacations, my kids do too. Life’s something, isn’t it? Liz: Unsolicited advice - you need a better lawyer. Singleton: Make a deal - we catch Damascus, you go see your daughter, I get myself a new lawyer. Liz: Deal.

5x19 -

Liz: I have a daughter. Her name is Agnes. She’s living with her grandmother until it’s safe for her to come back. It won’t be safe until Ian Garvey is in prison.

Season 6

Biohacker: Uh, Gruber’s still trying to edit his own DNA, increase his muscle tone. It’s a work in progress.

Stark: Tell Mr. Reddington I’m making progress. My situation here won’t interfere.

6x20 -

Ressler: I mean, does it make sense that this is the answer he’d kill to keep quiet? That so many people have died trying to find out? Liz: It’s because so many people died that I gave up my child. To protect Agnes until I learned the truth. Am I sure I know why he guarded his secret? No. Is it possible that I’m overlooking some of the holes in the story because there’s a sweetness to it? Yes, it’s possible. But it’s more possible that it’s true. Ressler: “More possible.” Liz: Ilya Koslov had motive and opportunity. If this were a crime, you’d say it was solved, and you’d believe you were right.

Liz: I’ve been thinking about it a lot recently, and, uh - I don’t think I know what “family” even means. Before we had Agnes, I thought Tom and I were gonna adopt, that family had nothing to do with biology. Cooper: If this case taught us anything, it’s that it doesn’t. Family isn’t about bloodlines. It’s about commitment and love and a whole lot of faith. The parents of Rizal’s children. No one would blame them for walking away from those kids. But I’m guessing that learning biology isn’t what’s keeping them together is a powerful reminder of all the other things that do. Every family has challenges. God knows yours with Reddington has more than most. No one would blame you if you chose to walk away from them, but you never will. And not because you can’t. Because you don’t want to. Because in spite of his - Aram: His way or the highway. Cooper: In spite of everything, he’s committed to you, he loves you, and he has faith in you. And I think you have the same for him.

Red: She’s gotten so big. Liz: Love wins. Red: That’s not a code. It’s a greeting card. Liz: You won’t stay angry with me. I know you think you will, but you won’t. Parents don’t stay angry with their children. Or their grandchildren. And that’s who you are to us. It doesn’t matter who you were. This is who you are and who you’ll always be. Red: Because you believe love wins? Liz: Every day and twice on Sundays. Says so on the greeting card. When I was little, did you train me for everything you knew I’d have to face? Red: If you’re asking whether it was a surprise that you became an FBI agent, the answer is no. Liz: I want to know what you did for me so I can do the same thing for Agnes. To train her for everything I know she’ll have to face. Red: Sam did what I told him to. Will Scottie do the same for you? Liz: She won’t have to. Red: She will if Agnes is to get what she needs. Liz: I left Agnes with Scottie because I was afraid of who you were. But I’m not anymore. Scottie won’t have to train Agnes. Because Agnes won’t be with her. I’m bringing her home.

6x21 -

Liz: I was supposed to meet with Scottie tonight and figure out a transition plan for me to bring Agnes home. The only reason I’m not with her is because I thought figuring out who you really were would put her in harm’s way. Now I know it won’t, but in trying to find out if you were the devil, I learned my mother was. That tape they played at your trial? She destroyed my father. She’s the reason he ran. I shot him, but she’s responsible for his death. Red: Your mother can’t hurt you. Liz: Because she’s dead? The Russians don’t seem to think so. When Ressler was trying to help me find out who you were, he went looking for her and was confronted by the KGB about what he found out. What if I bring Agnes back and they’re right - and she’s alive and she finds us? Liz: And she’s more of a threat to Agnes than you ever were?

Red: Your mother was not as bad as - I understand why you might think she was, but she wasn’t. She was a young woman trying to make sense of a world that was falling apart around her. She was on one side of an unbridgeable divide. Your father was on the other. And you were in between. Over the years, your mother’s legend has grown. Mythic spy. Bloodless turncoat. In the process, people forgot the person behind the legend, but I haven’t. If she were here, I’m sure she’d tell you she made so many mistakes. She was scared and uncertain and just trying to do the best she could. Bring Agnes home, Elizabeth. Liz: If there’s any risk - Red: There isn’t. Bring her home. Liz: Thank you.

6x22 -

Liz: I don’t think you get it. I am getting my team out of here. We are stopping the President from killing himself - and then I am going to the store for every princess pillow, comforter, backpack, toothbrush, and pajamas I can find so my apartment’s ready when Agnes gets home. Do you understand me? Red: Tell me what you need me to do.

Red: If Moscow is looking for Katarina - if Agent Ressler’s inquiry has reignited their search - Stranger: Then I know that could be bad. Red: I want this done before Masha’s daughter comes home. Stranger: Have I ever let you down? Red: Once. When we were children. Stranger: You wouldn’t give back the truck. I’ll get this done. Red: You’re always so optimistic. Stranger: I thought that’s why you loved me. Red: I love you because I can trust you.

Red: And that’s the plan. Liz: And the sooner we execute it, the sooner I bring Agnes home. Aram: Wait. Wait. Is that true? Liz: It is. Cooper: This is wonderful news. She must be absolutely thrilled. When did you decide this? Red: Donald, a word? Aram: This is amazing. Cooper: When is she coming home?

Red: Elizabeth told me you had a run-in with a few Russians recently. Ressler: She told you that? Red: Yes. When you were investigating my identity. Ressler: I was looking for information about, uh, Katarina Rostova. I don’t know how they found out, but they were anxious to know what I knew. Red: Did you get a name? Ressler: No. But a friend of theirs drove a vehicle with diplomatic plates, so I figure some pretty powerful people want answers. Red: As for answers, I believe Elizabeth has given you one. Ressler: She has. And it stays with me. Red: Good.

Liz: Ah, I feel anxious. I don’t know why. Red: It’s a new beginning. Liz: Anxious isn’t really the right word. It’s more like heightened. Like, I can feel every breath. I’m not used to that. Red: You’re doing the right thing, Elizabeth. Liz: Well, it’s only because I finally know. I know who you are. I know that you care. I know that I’m safe. I know that my mother cared. Red: She’d be proud of you. Agnes: Mommy! Ooh! Liz: Welcome home, Agnes. Agnes: Mommy! Liz: Oh, I’ve missed you. Kat, hi. Kat: Scottie wanted me to tell you she’ll bring over the rest of her things in the morning. Red: Well, we’d better get going. [ To Kat ] May we walk you out? Liz: You’re not gonna stay for dinner? Red: And intrude on your mother-daughter reunion? I don’t think so. And we need to be someplace. Agnes: Mommy, who’s that funny-looking man? Liz: It’s a long story. But we finally have time to tell it. Hey, do you want a lemon bar? Agnes: Yes.

#Agnes theory #Anti-Tom Keen #Anti-Keen2

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SnK S3E12 Poll Results (Manga Reader Version)

The poll closed with 487 responses. Thank you to everyone who participated!

Please note that this is the results of the manga reader poll. Anime only watchers are suggested not to read if you do not wish to be spoiled about certain events! Anime only viewers, click here to view your poll results!

RATE THE EPISODE 481 Responses

The final episode of the first half of S3 was another banger with positive reactions. Compared to earlier in the season when manga readers seemed more dissatisfied with the adaptation, we are happy to see that the final episodes of the arc turned out to be a much more positive experience!

Considering this episode was essentially just the calm before the storm, I was pleasantly entertained by it. Not the best episode because not a whole lot happened, but still it did what it needed to do.

I was super worried they would change something in this episode but thank Ymir-sama it's okay.

IT WAS AWESOME AND THAT ENDING IS ONE OF THE BEST THING THIS ANIME HAS EVER MADE!

This episode was so good! And funny! And angsty at the end! All the ingredients that make a good AOT episode

Very good, the preview was spooky and the whole episode had humor to lighten the mood, some emotional stuff and High Anxiety Cliffhangers to finish us off. Its gonna be a long 6 months.

HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE FIRST HALF OF SEASON 3 AS A WHOLE? 481 Responses

Overall, the first half of season three was satisfying for manga reading poll takers despite the changes.

All in all, absolutely stunning season. From the bottom of my heart, thank you WIT.

It was a really good episode. It followed manga perfectly. Every ep. of Uprising should has been like that. Too bad it wasn't, that why I rated the whole series pretty lowly. Honestly, I expected something better. But that was fine, not the worst. Yet, I would have changed a lot.

Really good way to end this half of the season. Can't wait to see the next half. It was nice to see a "calm before the storm" episode.

It was a brilliant idea to end the first part of season 3 right there, by doing this we were given proper construction to this arc.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SEASON TAKING A BREAK UNTIL APRIL? 481 Responses

About 37% of respondents are sad to see the anime take a break, but nearly half of voters are fine with the break stating that it’s not too bad of a wait, with some who are even looking forward to the breather for a bit (we’re looking forward to having a good rest as well although we will miss the anime!).

I'm okay with it since it means that we will a get a really well made RtS arc. But they really should've said that the break was going to be this long earlier. Or just called it season 4

Waiting is something we SnK fandom know how to do, unfortunately

As a manga reader it's easy to not be too upset since we'll have plenty of chapters during that time.

It's nice to get a breather before shit hits the fan.

I don’t mind waiting 6 months when I know it means the animation will look a lot nicer as a result

I feel like i would have been less upset if they just told us from the start how its gonna be... I hated the uncertainty

If it means a fantastic second cour then I'm all for it. I mean my life is empty and I wish I were dead, but other than that I've accepted it!

6 months for preparing myself to let Erwin rest in peace

I AM NOT READY FOR RTS THIS IS LITERALLY THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO A HIATUS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WIT

WAIT Studio

Does Annie have some space next to her for the next 6 months?

WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING SCENES WERE YOUR FAVORITES? 480 Responses

The Survey Corps’ sendoff was the most favorite moment of the episode, followed closely by Eren and Jean’s nostalgic fight. Levi and Erwin’s talk after the meeting made it to third most favorite scene of the episode, followed closely behind by Eren, Armin and Mikasa’s conversation. Everyone losing their minds over meat was another favorite.

Erwin was so perfect, I loved his little laugh, I thought the whole interaction with him and Levi was done so well... god, I'm gonna miss him so much, it actually hurts.

Good breather episode, comedy gold with the dinner scenes, and the send-off was just as fun as it was touching. Also, the extra scene was creepy and great, but I hope anime-only watchers don't spoil themselves trying to find the meaning to it...

I think they did a really good work with the Erwin x Leviv talk, and EMA talk... Since enfatizing Erwin's reasons, and showing Armin's, It became more clear Levi's choice in future

I loved EMA talk... it made me pretty sad because of the events which now are taking place in the manga. That was good to see them together in the anime.

My Eruri shipping heart was in tatters, I tell you. I've been looking forward to the ""I'll break your legs"" scene for ages now, and shit, watching it was a literal punch to the gut. Erwin's beautiful roar of victory on the wall, his final ""SUSUME"" just... I was in awe.

Sasha nomming on Jean’s hand was even funnier animated

The 104th dinner scene was just perfect! It's been so long since we had a scene of such warmhearted camaraderie, it really brought back all my season 1 feels for the babies. Beautifully done.

Overall great Episode, really liked how they foreshadowed Erwins Demise and his conversation with Levi, EMA talk was great too, and the serumbowl scene made for an amazing cliffhanger

DID THE GLITCHED ENDING SCARE YOU? 483 Responses

The abrupt reminder that SNK is a horror anime definitely seemed to work! The majority of people were scared by the ending at least a little bit, and some were thoroughly terrified.

"Blink and you'll miss it" my a**

Honestly it reminded me of how horrid the show actually is. I forget it's not all cute and funny scenes with a tinge of "yikes" that happened, but instead vice versa

I knew it was coming in the ED but didn't know WHEN and I was just anticipating it like a dark corridor in a horror movie XD

Moreso that scare me, it got under my skin and just stayed in my head the rest of the day.

Scare is not the right word. The option I'm looking for is FUCKING WRECKED

I learned that apparently a lot of you watch shit alone in the dark. But to answer the question, no, not at all.

It thrilled me to see them cleverly setting up the next half of the season this way

Only the Levi's distorted "you guys". The glitched ending was awesome

I saw some screencaps of it prior to watching so I was somewhat prepared but it was way creepier than i thought it would be, it spooked me

It wasn't actually SCARY, but I fucking loved it. So twisted and creepy

rip ears in that ending, it makes for some great youtube reactions though lol

Well, mark me down as scared and horny

SHOULD ZACKLEY’S ART BE REALIZED? 478 Responses

We suppose the real question is, when will Zackley’s “art” stop becoming something we ask about? :P All in all, most of you agree that it should not be seen or talked about. 21% of you are still finding humor in it.

HOW MUCH DID YOU ENJOY THE SEQUENCE OF EREN AND JEAN FIGHTING? 483 Responses

Most of the viewers enjoyed Eren and Jean’s antics with 84% rating the scene with a 4 out of 5 or higher.

Mikasa letting them fight and not dragging Eren way is the best part! It's such an important character development for her. Also this Episode was full of parallels to their training days. Great episode.

Eren and Jean bringing the Drama™ (as expected of Eren and Jean)

THE SURVEY CORPS HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED A SEND-OFF LIKE THEY DID IN THIS EPISODE - FAVORITE PART OF THIS SCENE? 481 Responses

The surreal experience of getting a positive send-off like this made Erwin’s smile and shout the overwhelming winner here, and for good reason! A smaller portion of respondents enjoyed Springlestein being themselves and a few called out Levi’s face in the comments:

All of it. Because it will be the first and the last time we'll see it

YYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Levi looking at screaming Erwin like "WTF Erwin"

Hange smile

LEVI'S SOFT LOOK

I like the manga version better because Levi's smile was softer there

Levi's expression when Erwin did his triumphant shout.

literally everything about it was perfect

WOULD YOU LET LEVI BREAK YOUR LEGS? 480 Responses

While 58% of respondents cannot understand why anybody would want their legs broken by Levi, a small percentage were even asking for it.

THE EPISODE WENT EXACTLY AS THE ORIGINAL MANGA! 478 Responses

So, the story behind this one is that one of the pollsters posted this “question” on our original document as a joke while another one of us was at work. When the one at work got off, they put the question onto the poll form while the person who created the “question” was not online, not realizing it was meant to be an unpublished joke. This was completely overlooked during the final proofread. It was never actually intended to make it onto the poll but since one of us always tries to rush through things, here we are! In any case, we hope you guys had a good laugh, because we all collectively lost it when we realized the mistake much too late!

wow y'all throwin shade with this Q huh

Yes, it is Erwin's birthday celebration after all

Glad that Erwin and the crowd’s screaming was a ‘dialogue’ and that he screamed again.

Makes sense, given how its purpose is to set up the new arc. Not much need to leave things out for the sake of pacing.

They done it so perfectly! I love that episode and love the hope in the air, my man similing and being happy, I love they see people cheering for them. THAT was earned.

It still modified some moments like Armin thinking of Eren and Mikasa instead of the bullies in the manga. Maybe it's better and more consistent with the following events.

Thanks God! The whole series should has been this way. Compared to the sad 1st episode of Uprising, this one was a true masterpiece.

u people need to get the salt in your blood checked, let others be dissatisfied with something they care about? please and thanks

i don't care if it went exactly as the original manga or with some changes as long as the episode is good

THE CHAPTER SIGNIFIED THE START OF A NEW ARC, BUT THE ANIME USED IT TO END THE FIRST COUR, WAS THIS A BENEFICIAL DECISION? 478 Responses

The majority of folks thought shifting the send-off to the end of the cour to create an uplifting cliffhanger was a good way to end the season. Several people called attention to how much contrast was felt between such a positive ending and the credits scene.

I think it works great, especially the triumph of the send off and the "oh shit, what's happening" moment in the ED

should have been the first ep of the next arc, with the send off as the cliffhanger

It was a nice, fun send off for the arc. Has the suspense of the scouts going towards the foes. The next episode with the next chapter/s will be perfect for getting back into the series after 6 months

WAIT Studio used it as an effective cliffhanger but from an adaptation perspective it's just like the Wall Titan. Something to keep the audience's attention at the cost of the narrative's flow. If the season was going to be split then rushing the Uprising Arc at breakneck speed resulting in one extra episode was pointless.

The opening of 73 is a perfect opening for the second cour, so I knew from the beginning of the season that ending in this chapter would be their aim. The second half won't struggle for content, and they can either push ahead flashbacks (I expect some of Bert's parts from 96 making it into the adaptation of 77) or content that didn't make it in the first half used to extend other parts (Eren's experiments for Armin realizing how to beat Bert in 81)

I think this will help the second part by being on the way to Shiganshina to start it off.

Heck cliffhangers!

LEVI WASN’T EXPLICITLY SHOWN EAVESDROPPING UNTIL THE END OF EMA’S CONVERSATION, DO YOU THINK THIS DIMINISHED THE FORESHADOWING? 478 Responses

The vast majority of respondents agreed that as long as we saw him listening to them, that’s ultimately all that matters. A small few believe that not showing him listening in on them earlier will diminish the overall impact when he makes his decisions later, however.

I don't think it matters, especially if the anime includes a flashcut to this moment post-decision, which will make its important even more obvious for viewers who may not remember this scene at all.

I'm not sure, I guess it did seem more ambiguous here. They'll flashback to it when serumbowl happens though.

Wouldn’t have spent more time on it. This show is about subtle details. I think its ok.

It still worked, but I would have liked it to have been made clear that he saw Armin's expression when he was talking about the ocean

No, but i think it was nice in the manga to see that at the beginning of the conversation he was standing and ended up on the floor by the end of it. Small detail, but i took it like he didn't mean to listen in the beginning but decided to stay in the end because of what he was hearing?

No, because it was a detail it meant a lot more. Subtle details have greater impact in visualities, manga is a different medium and the scene was used properly for its medium.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WIT SHOWING *THAT PART* OF THE RTS ARC AS A TEASER? 480 Responses

38% of respondents believe that the teaser was a great way to keep interest in the series high. 20% specifically feel that it will keep the anime only fans invested. About 21% of respondents combined don’t think it was the smartest choice on WIT’s end while almost 10% are just not ready to see that animated at all.

Even though I already know what will happen, my body *isn't* ready for this shit to come, except for the lightning spears

Honestly, I thought it was stupid as fuck and a cheap way to keep hype up for anime-only people. I would've preferred my anime-only friend to go into RTS completely blind.

I think it's great because it lends itself a lot of hype for the next half as well as leaving it very open ended. Especially because they cut out lines about the serum.

I think this teaser shocked more the manga readers than the anime onlines.

It's the worst part of the manga they could spoil. I'm not sure what they intend to do by showing such a controversial moment

It was brilliant. Anime only watchers don't often get the experience of agonizing over certain cliffhangers monthly, but with this flashforward looming in their head, they have a whole season of suffering ahead of them. SUFFER LIKE US, ANIME ONLIES!

I really liked it but I think they could have shown a part of Bert/Reiner/Zeke’s convo since we saw Bert and Reiner at the end of the episode, and it would have anime-onlies wondering who the glasses guy is

I was shocked and hyped at seeing them include this scene, but at the same time I’m sad that anime-onlies were spoiled that at the very least Mikasa, Eren, and Levi will survive until this scene, destroying any tension of them dying

I'm really conflicted; on one hand, I was very surprised in a positive way, cause it was a ballsy and unexpected move. On the other hand, I understand that anime viewers might be sick of spoilers bc of the scene at the beginning of ep1.

It gave me anxiety lol. Please someone save my babies from their horrible destiny

One hell of a cliffhanger and I can't really imagine anything better to show everything going wrong (Colossal nuke is way too obvious, for example), but the people complaining about spoilers do have a point...

WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS FOR RTS’S ADAPTATION? 480 Responses

WHAT SEGMENTS OF RTS ARE YOU MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ANIMATED NEXT COUR? 481 Responses

Over half of respondents feel that the Return to Shiganshina arc will be delivered just as well as Uprising was. 37% of respondents feel it will be much better than Uprising’s adaptation. A small few don’t have much faith in the second half of the four.

FUCK ME UP!! R.I.P. ANIME ONLIES

GIMME THE 2ND COUR NOW!

I don't know if I'm emotionally prepared for this arc

I’m going to have 6 more months to mentally prepare myself for the return to shiganshina arc and I still won’t be ready

from an adaptation perspective it's going to be the same as the previous seasons. WAIT Studio excels at certain aspects of packaging SnK into anime, but as a whole it's a bad, rather than amazing, adaptation.

Is there a "NOPE I am not ready for RtS arc" in the questions?

WHAT SEGMENTS OF RTS ARE YOU MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ANIMATED NEXT COUR? 481 Responses

The most anticipated segment of the Return to Shiganshina arc is the suicide charge + Levi totally wrecking Zeke. Following closely behind are the basement reveal, the serumbowl, Grisha’s diaries and flashbacks, the ocean and the showdown with the 104th and Reibert.

Kill me! I cannot believe I have to wait 6 months for RTS. 6 months until I can see Reiner and Bertholdt in action and the FREAKING BASEMENT!!!! I was fine with a 3 months break but 6 is too much ;____; I want to see Grisha's past animated

What everybody is waiting for the RtS Arc: the basement, Reibert fight, Levi soloing the beast titan, the ocean. Me, an intellectual: THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS (and Grisha's backstory)

can't wait to see historia looking graceful as hell in front of the sunrise while the SC goes off to fuck reibert and zeke up

The only thing I can think about is Zeke.... *screams* ZEKE AND EREN! THE JAEGERBROS! AND THE GRISHA FILES! SO MANY JAEGERS *dies*

I'm definitely looking forward to RTS okay, but I'm dreading it more, honestly. But the one thing I'm looking forward to, and really hoping they'll animate, is Levi taking down those Titans on the way to Zeke. I know the focus is on Erwin's last charge in the manga, and rightly so, but DAMN, I want to see Levi do that -I honestly don't think anyone, even Mikasa, could do what he did there.

I have a fever, and the only prescription is Season 3 Part 2

ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THE EPISODE?

A pretty decent choice for a midseason finale. But most important, a pretty good choice for episode 49. Once we're back in April, the series will be celebrating having made it to 50 episodes. Just 2 years ago, we were wondering if we'd ever get episode 26, and now we're getting to a landmark episode that will be exciting and memorable! Nothing between chapters 70-72 could've worked as such a landmark, in my opinion, but chapters 73-74? Absolutely perfect for it.

And my ship finally got some screen time

But damn wit... I almost got a heart attack because of the glitched ending!! Please, I at least want to survive to see manbun Eren animated

For anime watchers: I enjoyed watching your confusion over that ED. May you all be prepared by April 2019.

My heart is filled with so much Eruri that I may cry. You could literally see how much concern Levi had for Erwin in his eyes.

I love Bertoto and Raina more than myself. Guess, I'll die in April.

I'm an Erwin Lover™ and the show is gonna come back right around my birthday so this was Great and I'm Fine

It was out of character to see Eren fully clothed.

The moment when SC were cheered up and Erwin was so confident and happy and then they left into the sunset gave me goosebumps and almost made me cry :') it was a beautiful, strong, encouraging moment for SC!!

Let me just tell you how fucking HYPED I am for the next season after those previews during the ED. HYPED. And Jesus fuck yes, Armin looked like a charred French fry that got left behind in the oil. THANK JESUS. I was afraid WIT might downplay that, but no, my boy gonna be the CRONCHIEST.

The glitches were great and not too spoiler-y but WIT absolutely ruined it with the Eren/Mikasa/Levi scene. They showed too much.

rip ears in that ending, it makes for some great youtube reactions though lol

Erwin looked fine as fuck

Wit, you better be paying for my doctor visit. My ears were bleeding with your little trick you pulled at the end.

This episode. THIS FUCKING EPISODE. Man what a way to end the cour. REALLY, standing ovation to WIT. That glitch ending was just like that tiny Titan-in-the-wall scene at the end of season 1 that made me go looking for the manga. Absolutely brilliant stuff.

Thanks for these polls.

WHERE DO YOU PRIMARILY DISCUSS THE SERIES? 446 Responses

Thank you to everyone who participated!

Please keep your eyes peeled for an upcoming Uprising Arc poll!

#snk poll #snk polls #snk spoilers #snk s3 #poll results

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thatsjustsupergirl · 6 years ago

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Oohhh what are those feelings about the latest episode? Please do tell!

Sorry this was delayed!

Random thoughts:

Reign’s threats toward Lena were meant to be creepy but mostly felt like a predictable villain monologue that I didn’t really care about. I also kept getting distracted by her too-perfect eyeshadow.

EVE TESSMACHER, I HAVE MISSED YOU!

I cannot believe they wasted Chris Wood on tiresome, morally dubious “romance” for an entire year when he is clearly much more suited to comedy.

Bigger stuff:

Family Ties

I’m kinda waiting on Alex’s season-long arc to play out before I comment upon it too much, BUT OH MY GOD, I HAVE NEVER FELT MORE ACCURATELY REPRESENTED BY A TELEVISION SHOW IN MY LIFE. Poor Alex is so worried about messing up that she’s overcompensating by trying too hard, and I absolutely love that she asked J’onn for advice and made all my Space Family dreams come true. The emotional connection between Ruby and M’yrnn was also really sweet and I love how they’ve been developing that dementia storyline so that it links up with all the other themes about family and faith.

The Cult

This continues to be the most meta storyline of all time, up to and including the fact that crybaby cult girl SHOT JAMES IN THE FUCKING FACE WITHOUT REMORSE, which — if the Twitter and Tumblr tags are anything to go by — accurately captures the attitude of many a fan at any Supergirl convention featuring Katie McGrath. See also: the cult switching its loyalties from Supergirl to Reign, hilariously reminiscent of the way a select portion of fandom decided to start shipping Reign with people before the character was even introduced because they got irrationally angry about actors making a tasteless joke.

In case it has escaped anyone’s notice, Olivia is also representative of the demographic of “fans most likely to harass actors and employees on this show,” aka she’s a baby-faced, early-20s white girl who is willing to do a whole lot of shitty and inappropriate things in the name of her “community,” out of the mistaken belief that she should hinge her identity and self-worth on attention from a bunch of strangers.

In a broader context, Olivia, Tanya, and the rest of Coville’s cult are used to explore the fine line between “fan” and “fanatic.” Why did all of them get involved here in the first place? They were troubled people looking for meaning.

Race & Ethnic Identity

There was a lot happening in this episode, and I love that it built smoothly upon things that happened throughout S2 and S3. Kara & James’s conflict was front and center, and boy have these two come a long way since S1 in terms of resolving their ideological disagreements. No silent treatment, no yelling, just two good friends respecting each other’s decisions while agreeing to disagree. (But, uh, James? Kara was not honest with you about her identity. Clark outed her to you before you even met her and then didn’t even give her a heads up.)

We also had a more subtle racial discourse playing out through the casting choices of the cult members. Note that Tanya was only kept around because she had a special skill the others wanted to use, and the vast majority of the other cult members were white. Also, the moment she was done translating the Kryptonian text, the guard dudes pulled knives on her and were totally ready to kill her. What a community, amirite?

In addition to that, there’s the ongoing issue of the cult and their appropriation of Kara’s religion, which they have now entirely ruined and turned into something destructive and awful. (How very meta.)

While I’ve already brought up the issue of Kara keeping her identity from people for their safety, I wasn’t wild about the explanation as it was presented here. It was definitely a simplification for the sake of time, and glossed over the fact that Kara had other, very good reasons not to say anything when she and Lena first became friends.

And then we have the meat of James’s storyline. Ah, America … where a white girl can shoot up a major news organization while her generic white boy accomplice fires a fucking bazooka down a public street and they get to walk away unquestioned, but the armored black dude who was clearly defending a bystander gets held at gunpoint by the cops, despite them having known for two years that Guardian exists. This was a nice pickup of the dilemma James felt last season re: his alter-ego and the way he’s perceived by the community at large, but from a very different angle that had much clearer stakes. And it’s a nice counterpoint to the discussions about vigilantism you see from any of the other CW shows, where the main hero is the same race as the majority of the public he’s protecting.

The end of the episode did a really great job of tying both James and Kara’s identity struggles together -- James’s narrative about feeling free to be recognized for what he does vs. what he is when he has a mask on is a direct counterpoint to Kara and her choice to maintain two identities.

#supergirl #season three #james olsen #kara danvers #alex danvers #anonymous #asks #long post #my meta

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redemptiionss · 6 years ago

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Let me go over what I learned happened in s8.... this is just what I’ve learned from other people’s posts. Let me know I’ve gotten things wrong (and any further clarification would be appreciated, if you’ve seen s8)

Lotor’s corpse was shown onscreen shortly after flashbacks proving that he was a good person who grew up abused & brainwashed by his parents. His corpse was then used as a puppet by Haggar, his mother and abuser. Allura finally says that Lotor had good intentions after two seasons of not once showing regret or second thoughts on what they’ve done to him. Haggar tells her that Lotor was truly happy when he was with her. No remorse is shown, apparently nobody cares that they’ve murdered him. The fact that they created a power vacuum within the Galra Empire and caused the deaths of thousands of people all because they didn’t think twice before attacking & abandoning Lotor (aka the one who GENUINELY wanted to help bring peace & also the one who was literally the SOLUTION) to die in the rift, is never addressed or questioned. The Colony story that was the Plot in s6 was never addressed. I’m wondering what were the writers’ intention with Lotor?! It’s like they can’t make up their minds. They had people-- including those who he once most trusted-- slander and demonize him. Then they humanized him and showed us that he was a Good person who was abused and traumatized by his parents & tried not to be like them. Then they showed us a grotesque imagery of his corpse. Then they went all like, yup he was a Good Person all along who was “misguided” & he could have had a Redemption Arc, but whoops, he’s dead. His death was meaningless. It was without reason or purpose. All I’m seeing from this is a terrible message surrounding abuse victims. They ditched a story of hope, a redemption/vindication arc for a meaningless tragedy. Congrats. I can’t forgive them for what they did. I can’t.

Line from s6, from Lotor’s confrontation with Haggar, who’s kidnapped him and tries to get him to stay with her, but is rejected by Lotor. Lotor says this to her: “The end is near, witch. I know you can sense it. If you beg for your life now, maybe I will take pity on you when the time comes.” This was CLEAR foreshadowing. But in the end? Lotor’s rotting corpse being used as a puppet. Then in the end, him immediately forgiving his parents & happily reconciling with them in the afterlife. What. The. Flippin. Heck. What was the POINT of that whole confrontation then? More importantly, what was the point of the whole colony plot?! It was the Plot of s6!! It was what led them to abandon & murder Lotor, which then led to a power vacuum in the Galra Empire & death of thousands!! & led to what happened in s7 & s8!!! The entire situation surrounding the colony plot was clearly Fishy as Hell, implied that there was a misunderstanding going on, that Lotor was likely going to get vindicated/redeemed, and also that Haggar had her nasty fingers in the PIe. But literally nothing came out of it. WHAT. WAS. THE. POINT. Clearly something happened behind the scenes between s6 & s8.

Somehow Zarkon comes back via Haggar & quintessence, but he’s Good guy Zarkon (aka pre-corrupted)? I’m not sure how this happened, but okay. I mean, if anyone could give me the full rundown on how things led up to this. He got a redemption arc. Hagerva got a redemption arc too.

I don’t have a problem with redemption arcs. I love them. I hate the whole Tumblr™ “you have to earn redemption” thing. Redemption isn’t something that is earned. Anyone can be redeemed-- even the worst person possible. However, in stories it HAS to be told well. It’s got to be meaningful. And frankly the main reason why I have a problem with them getting redemption arcs is because Lotor never got one while his parents did. He never got a redemption or a vindication arc. Zarkon and Haggar was allowed to have a voice, while Lotor was not. This just comes across as them somehow being More Deserving of a redemption arc than Lotor, which is honestly just bullshit.

Zarkon & Honerva apparently weren’t corrupted anymore when they got redeemed, so that.. makes everything they did over 10,000 years okay I guess? Since it technically wasn’t them? But like, they still did that. They got corrupted by the bad quintessence by their own direct actions, and then proceeded to commit genocide, enslave and conquer thousands of planets and people, and abuse their son. None of that has changed. I never thought that they’d get redeemed mainly because I didn’t think there would be any way it would be written well & that it wouldn’t have been able to be fit into the story’s plot well.

While Corrupted!Bad Guy Zarkon told Shiro that he was Too Weak and Unworthy to be the Paladin for the Black Lion, Good Guy Zarkon told Keith that he was a good leader & a good Black Paladin because of his Galra Lineage. Like.. uh, what? RACISM MUCH? I guess Keith didn’t say anything. What happened to him being the #1 Black Paladin!Shiro stan? Oh wait, he stopped back in like S3 or something.

This makes me think of that one Nightmare post I read months ago. It was basically “What if Shiro is not the Black Paladin because the Black Lion is racist against non-Galra?” [It cited that when Shiro was the Black Paladin, he had a Galra arm. & now that he doesn’t have a Galra arm, he is no longer the Black Paladin.] I thought it was utterly ridiculous and that it was the stupidest thing ever. But I guess being Galra is indeed what makes you great for the Black Lion after all. Oof. Wtf.

Apparently Shiro also barely had a meaningful interaction with... pretty much anyone, least of all Keith, who’s supposed to be like his little brother. This has been happening for a while even before s8. (I honestly hate that Shiro was reduced to just being mere plot device for Keith’s development and arcs. Don’t think I’ve forgotten how JDS & LM called him boring, wanted to kill him off permanently, but then was forced to bring him back, and how they pretty much got around that loophole by killing him off at least twice and finally pushing him into the background. Oh and they didn’t even give him a family either lol. WTF.)

Lance says his “I’m good at winning prizes” line at Allura. Wtf. It seems that the context is Allura asking Lance to get something for her, but I saw the screenshot and.. G R O S S. They KNEW what they were fucking doing, especially with THAT expression. *shudders* I like Lance, I really do. But I hate him for Allura. He became smitten with Allura the minute he saw him, and pretty much called dibs on her. Spent a majority of his time hitting on her while she reacted in distaste & discomfort, continually rejecting him or brushing him off. Showed jealousy and entitlement when Allura exhibited interest in other guys or when other guys seemed interested in Allura. [Lance, you do not own Allura. You’re not even with her, she’s not interested in you. BACK. OFF.] Even made fun of Allura’s Altean culture and heritage, and never once showed any signs of interest in learning about it. And I’m not even going to go over all the ways how they are not compatible with each other at all. A//urance literally plays into the trope that if the Nice Guy is persistent enough, he will get the Girl. The Girl is his Prize. Again, they KNEW what they were doing with that line. So that coupled with the imagery from S3-ish of Lance’s fantasy-- in which he is revered and praised by all, standing at the very top holding a big flag saying “Winner” with a dream starry-eyed Allura at his feet. Ugh, BARF.

A//urance happens. Apparently neither of them are very happy??? [and honestly it just confuses me why it even happened because there is such a stark difference between how Lotura & A//urance was written-- but I guess Lotura was just a stepping stone for the less well-written & clearly-forced ship after all? Tf.]

There’s some stuff about Hagerva breaking into alternate realities because she can’t cope with the fact that her son is dead, so she’s trying to enter her alternate families’s lives.

There’s some stuff about Altea & Daizabaal being brought back. I.. don’t know. I’ve seen some people say that if those could be brought back, then why couldn’t Lotor & the others be brought back too?

Allura kisses Lance twice. Tells him that she’ll always love him. (lmaoooo what? okay sure) She transfers her Altean Marks onto Lance. (What. the. HECK?! THAT MAKES NO SENSE.) She then.... sacrifices herself? To save her Reality? To save all of existence? From what I’m hearing from other people, there was no real good reason for her to sacrifice herself. She then steps into the afterlife with her father, her mother, Zarkon, Honerva, and Lotor. There’s a legit outline of her [who is clearly defined], with Lotor at her back [who is not as defined], in the stars.

I cannot believe they killed off their main female protagonist & a princess. You don’t just.. do that in children’s media. I don’t know of any children’s media in which a princess dies. I thought she was untouchable. Not to mention there was absolutely no pay off for Allura at all aside from her being dead and in the afterlife reuniting with her family. She’s had to sacrifice everything every season-- her planet & her family was destroyed, then she lost her castle, her rank, her crown, her clothes, her people. I thought there was going to be an ultimate pay off for her in end, but no she even had to lose her own life. Really?! This doesn’t speak of Hope to me.

Lance spends the rest of his life with Allura’s Altean marks tattooed on his face. He’s a farmer, growing Altean flowers (???) and it’s implied that he never gets over her. I... just can’t. The bitter irony. In giving Lance what he wanted, the writers took everything from him. Much of his character, aside from growing in his role as a Paladin, bonding with others, and dreaming of being a pilot, also revolved around Getting Allura. He was never allowed to grow out of that. Now they’ve effectively erased his identity-- he no longer has an identity separate from Allura. That isn’t.... what his arc should’ve been. Also does the marks mean he’s Altean now or what?? You can’t just change races like that. Tf. If he has an Altean lifespan now, that means that he’s going to watch everyone he loves die. His infatuation for Allura has become his curse. And while it’s been implied that he’s worked on a farm before [look, it’s canon that he knows how to milk a cow. that’s enough of an implication.], that was never his dream. He wanted to be a pilot.. and now he’s just a farmer forever pining over Allura and growing flowers in her memory, or something. They destroyed Lance’s character.

Apparently Allura didn’t just transfer her Altean Marks to Lance, but also gave him Leadership over the Alteans. WHAT. THE. FUCK? So Lance didn’t just Get Allura & then is cursed by Allura’s selfish act, but he also gets Allura’s ROLE. They seriously had Allura sacrifice HER own leadership & give it to a boy who has NEVER once shown interest in HER culture, & has even mocked it more than once. THE. AUDACITY.

“Lance will get what he needs, not what he wants.” That implies that he was Not going to end up with Allura, seeing as she is what he clearly wants. So.. what is it then? Unless him being a lonely pining farmer for all of eternity was what he needed? Either they straight up lied or like I said before, something happened behind the scenes.

Keith apparently is leading Lotor’s Generals & the Galra now or something..?? WHAT? Why TF would the Galra listen to him? And I guess he gave a speech that was essentially Lotor’s speech in S5. EXCUSE. ME.?! Also apparently Keith now has magical powers and is a diplomat dedicated to spreading good will in the universe..?? So basically he was given Shiro’s position, and then Lotor & Allura’s ROLES. Ha ha ha.

There was a line from a crack-foreshadowing episode in s7, in which Lance says Keith “is the future”-- and a lot of people came up with the Emperor!Keith theory. I quickly concluded that it was total bullshit because it made ZERO sense within canon. It still makes no sense, but then again not much makes sense in s8 apparently.

Apparently Nothing is Really Solved. The Galra still need Quintessence to survive. The Quintessence Rift is closed, so there’s nowhere for them to get their quintessence. Lotor, the only person who had the solution, wanted peace, & intended on leading an Alliance between the Paladins & the Galra, is dead. Allura, who could’ve allied with Lotor to help the cause of leading the universe & Galra into an new era of peace, is dead. But Apparently there’s Peace now. Okie dokie.

I... don’t really know anything about Katie & Hunk. What happened to them?

I can’t think of anything else right now. All I can say is that s8 sounds vile.

#txt #my salt #vld s8 #vld spoilers

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kyojuuros · 7 years ago

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Hanji!

First Impression: Hange is really eccentric and that’s definitely what stood out to me at first. “Eccentric Scientist” not my favorite character trope though, so they kind of stood at the wayside for me because of that during S1.

Impression now: While Hange still isn’t in my top tier of faves, I definitely appreciate them a lot more than I did when I initially watched S1. They have times where they really shine for me (such as with Pastor Nick, the torture scene with Sannes and how they address him afterward), really the entire Uprising Arc they shined through and through. And ofc their role in serumbowl. I also love watching Hange when they’re leading a squad/group of soliders… I think they are so wonderful at it! Angry Hange is also An Aesthetic™.

Favorite moment: You know what at first I was gonna put when they talked Mikasa down during serumbowl because i have feelings but honestly that scene during the Uprising arc where they just kind of show up inside of the news editor’s office (and the real slim shady Moblit comes too to protec) and the guys there are like dafuq? And after they’re done there Hange proceeds to utterly wreck that MP with their fitsts!? Like hell yes give me more of this pl s I can’t wait to see it animated later this year.

Idea for a story: Imagine Hange as a Paleontologist tho. I don’t have a good story idea but that’s a foundation, right!? lol

Unpopular opinion: idk if I have an unpopular opinion but I always feel weird because I don’t stan Hange as hard as the rest of the fandom seems to lol I do have a tendency to view Hange as female most of the time but that’s probably due to how they are presented in the anime but idk that that’s unpopular either, idk….lol

Favorite relationship: Aside from Moblit becuase I feel like that’s a given (lol), I really, really love their relationship with Erwin so, so much and I cannot wait to see it really shine in the next arc in S3. I love them brainstorming together and how Erwin listens to and soaks in everything Hange has to say while others just pass them off as eccentric and annoying, and how he unhesitatingly chooses Hange as his successor because he trusts in them so much, and it’s so painfully clear that Erwin means a hell of a lot to Hange and I just ??? Really love them ??? I need more eruhan appreciation in my life g o d…

Favorite headcanon: I feel like if coffee existed in Paradis that Hange would rely on it 25/7 and probably never sleep until their body completely gives up and forces them to lolol Alternatively, energy drinks in a modern AU.

Send me a character

#snk spoilers ///#hange #ask meme #kuchenackerman #reply

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sol1056 · 7 years ago

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vld S3/S4 story structure: braided, reset, and broken

And we have the last of these three, why did I ever say I’d explain this. Someday I’ll learn, I swear. Part 1 is story structure and how doing it wrong can mess things up, and Part 2 is about VLD’s story structure in S3/S4 specifically.

Behind the cut: braiding elements vs a full-on story reset, the broken structure hiding in S4, and some easy ways (no seriously, real easy) to fix it.

S3′s braiding vs resets

With both Shiro and Zarkon on-screen again, we have a structural reset, and we’d just need to make sure we come out of it having learned something. Character development especially needs to be clear (and really obvious that it couldn’t have happened any other way), or readers will get irritated that their time was wasted. Truth is, a reset’s not automatically bad. It’s just not the most graceful way to do it.

(but if you do the ‘he woke up and it was a dream’ bit, that is absolutely a bad reset and will piss people off)

After the Shiro-return and Keith-leader elements, we get ‘Zarkon returns’. But if we see Zarkon as being undefeated -- y’know, he just took a short nap in the middle -- that means the original ‘defeat Zarkon’ element never ended.

It did get suspended, though, and that’s a really... bizarre thing, in terms of how VLD presented it. From the start, the goal has been explicitly ‘defeat Zarkon’. Not ‘defeat Zarkon et al’, nor even ‘defeat the evil empire’. That tight focus is the root of S3′s early aimlessness, since Zarkon -- the main goal for two seasons -- is gone. Add in S3E1's title, ‘changing of the guard’, and it’s reasonable to infer the ‘defeat Zarkon’ arc has ended.

One key about braiding is shifting the element across the story, in gentle nuances as it’s explored. Take ‘become a team’: we could say this overarching element is actually composed of three contiguous parts -- ‘shiro as leader’ in S1/S2, ‘keith as leader’ in S3, and ‘shiro as leader’ in S4. Despite positional shifts, the braided element itself is intact.

In the same way, if it’s not ‘defeat Zarkon’ but ‘overthrow the Galra’, then we have ‘defeat Zarkon’ in S1/S2, and ‘defeat Lotor’ in S3/S4, again keeping the braided element intact.

I’m gonna add a caveat to that, though. What we’re talking about here is when a role shift becomes a plot point. Allura is a protagonist from the start, as is Keith. But Allura’s growth is part of the structure (via a plot-point) when she moves from princess to paladin, just as Keith does when he goes from paladin to leader to blade.

Similarly, the character role behind ‘overthrow the Galra’ is ‘antagonist’. Zarkon moves from ‘tyrant’ to ‘main antagonist’ when he takes an active role blocking the protagonists, and the same for Lotor. In other words, if Lotor is not an antagonist, then this braided element is truncated for the duration of Zarkon’s long nap.

That might not make sense right now, but just keep it in the back of your head in the next section. Hopefully you’ll see where I’m going with that.

S4′s broken structure

Continuing from the previous post, by S4, we’ve got a lot of tangles. Taking the explicit order of events in the story, the structure might be:

<shiro v2> OR </here is shiro> <can Keith co-lead> <zarkon returns> #6 <black lion refuses> #7 [ open/close: backstory, pidge, etc] </black lion accepts> #8 <keith leaves> #9 [ open/close: matt, allies, voltron show] <finale battle> </lotor threatens> </finale battle>

We have a new event element of #7 ‘Black refuses Shiro’, and its resolution overlaps closely with #9 ‘Keith leaves team’. The writing implies a cause-and-effect: “Keith isn’t here, please accept me", which means #8 ‘Black accepts’ doesn’t trigger #9 ‘Keith leaves’ -- but is instead triggered by Keith’s implicit absence. In other words, Black doesn’t wait for Keith to make it official.

That said, I’m tempted to say #8 ‘black accepts’ is not resolving #7 ‘black refuses’ -- but instead is a new event, an opening of ‘black accepts’. This depends on whether the ‘Shiro returns’ character is returning or new; if the same Shiro, then it’d make no sense to end this #8 probationary acceptance, switch Keith back to Black as part of closing #9, and then switch Black back to Shiro again, to close out #7.

I mean, I guess you could do that. But I think it’d take a damn good writer, and even then some readers will want to pry open your version of Black and ask some serious questions. Characterization is the key --remember what I said about stakes driving the hard choices, which in turn drive the plot points, which in turn become the story structure.

If Black has no consistent motivation, then plot’s driving, not character. If Black is a character, too, then closing the element becomes even more important because that demonstrates growth or change in the character.

The other tangle is that ‘defeat Zarkon’ re-emerges before ‘defeat Lotor’ is resolved. We could say it’s a parallel: where Shiro returns and shuts Keith down, Zarkon returns and shuts Lotor down. The problem is that stories are fundamentally about protagonists -- so while this is a lovely parallel, Lotor is not a protagonist. He cannot be both the continuation of the antagonist and a parallel protagonist.

However! Let’s say the story was super-clear that we’re dealing with a Shiro v2, who is also explicitly a Haggar puppet -- then the parallel might work (or at least, be less failey). As Zarkon shuts down Lotor, Hagar (via Shiro) shuts down Keith. I still find it awkward, and it’d require groundwork (and a lot less being coy), but given the other reflections between Lotor and Keith, it could work.

Well, it’s still kinda ehhhh... Between Lotor’s abrupt fall from grace -- out of sight, mind, or influence of any of the protagonists -- along with Zarkon’s complete disinterest in his former agenda (”lion, what lion”) -- I can’t get past the sense that it just doesn’t work. The protagonists never actually protagged; the resolution of the ‘Lotor threatens’ element was basically as deux ex machina as Thace or Allura’s magic.

fixing the antagonist issues

There are two ways to address the disjointed sense of Zarkon playing the protagonist’s role in taking out Lotor. One way is to let the protagonists actually protag, and strike a severe enough blow to Lotor.

Cut that military propaganda filler episode, and give the protagonists something resembling a victory. Lotor goes down, the team prepares to strike a final blow on the empire, and Zarkon rises in time to rebuff the heroes (in another echo of S1, but fine). With the event element (’lotor threatens’) thus ended, Lotor’s re-appearance marks a new character element (’lotor plays nice’).

This might be the oldest Char in the book, but hey, some people still fall for it -- and you can reverse it just as easily. Lotor and team break up, closing out the ‘lotor plays nice’ element, and wham, Lotor reappears as an obstacle. You still get the same result, but without the dissatisfaction of seeing an antagonist beaten while the protagonists were busy filing their nails.

The other way is to make Lotor clearly a contagonist, rather than an antagonist. It’s an archetype from Dramatica, with these core behaviors:

hinders (if unwittingly) rather than helps the protagonist

not directly opposed to the protagonist’s goals (unlike the antagonist).

may ally with the protagonist in the overall conflict, but still gets in the way, prompts the protagonist down the wrong path, etc.

(Frex, done right, Loki is a far more interesting contagonist than antagonist.)

The reason I don’t see the story trying this is because while Zarkon's napping, there’s no active antagonist on the screen other than Lotor. If there's any one thing that gives S3/S4 its strangely disjointed and choppy structure, it’s having a contagonist play antagonist for, oh, most of S3.

That’s the biggest reason for a sense the story had stalled: the protagonists weren’t actually fighting an antagonist. And that means no headway on the ‘defeat the antagonist’ goal.

However, if we’d had Haggar as a defined and active antagonist, we’d be having a different conversation. Rather than appear randomly to goad Lotor into being a proper antagonist, if Haggar had instead said, ‘kid, wave to the people while I crush these puny rebels’, we’d have an interesting contagonist clashing with Voltron -- and we’d have a sense of forward movement, with Haggar as a legitimate stand-in for Zarkon.

On top of that, the parallels of Zarkon-to-Lotor and Shiro-to-Keith would be much more stark, and feel less like an antagonist did the dirty work on behalf of the protagonists. We could still have Keith fascinated, but the whole ‘lotor threatens’ element wouldn’t even exist, and S3/S4 might outline like this:

<where is shiro> [ open/close: keith as leader, new roles, comet, etc ] <shiro v2> <can keith co-lead> <black lion refuses> <black lion probation> <keith leaves> [ open/close: matt, allies, etc] <finale battle> </finale battle>

If contagonist is Lotor’s character role, then he’s not a plot device, and isn’t part of this structure. For that matter, even being stripped of resources, friends, and whatnot, he’s still a contagonist. He should have a structure to his own part, and an impact on the structure we see above, but not as a true antagonist. More importantly, he wouldn’t have the story-burden of carrying that braided element of ‘defeat the empire’.

That element would instead rest on Haggar, as one-half of interchangeable faces of the evil empire. Again, characters, not plot devices; even then the switch might not be an element of structure, unless it comes with a radical shift in strategy.

In which case, resolving the elements becomes quite straightforward:

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