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do yall know any genuine rose tyler stans that are actually upset about how s1 rose was treated as an equal AND a love interest but as soon as s2-s4 rose was treated more as a equal BECAUSE of her being pideonholed as only a 'i can do things too! see!' archetype of love interests that it took two other characters to be treated as an actual equal? like why did ten thru donna said that he needs an equal and that what the dr needs an equal??
rose was already an equal in season 1. its established bts that rose was an equal to ninth doctor? but now why didn't that sentiment continued on with ten? what happened?
like martha is treated like an actual equal because the dr in the past have always hated themselves, reflected back at them, but still shared the joy and comradarie during a joint adventure with said version of self. like even the time lord victorious two parter book - 8 was flirting and 10 flirted back but at the end of the day - both of em can carry themselves without the arrival of the other, leaving the eyerolling and mild disgust or disinterest aspect to ninth dr when he shared a room with them. like the dr not wanting to "date" martha even though he literally in text trying real hard to pull the wool in both ur qnd his own eyes is essentially him trying not to fuck himself.
donna is - in an almost wish-fufilled in what the dr missed from the master - considered an equal preestablished since season 3 guest appeared and fully in season 4. shes seen as a pea in the pod like the dr master rani and romana - keeping up with that specific lot of em without going thru the 'but im better than you' alien egoist rhetoric that the time lords fall to in times of upper handedness. she can manipulate she talk fast she tech-savvy yet people-grounded BUT she makes sure the respect isnt temporary and doesnt lord it over people because everyone is great and without that person, the whole system can fall apart.
because so far, it doesnt feel that way. like are yall not mad that tenth doctor gave rose up?
after seasons of build up and getting shot and everything? the funky alien eldritch being in a mask of an earth lookin boy that had a chance to man up and show feelings when the opportunity is very in your face given to him to do so in a space where he could do so and — he just gave her up? all that moping and whining and when given what he wanted, he just went: no. here. i need an equal and i have donna so im giving you what i TEN think you want as an equal in me and thats him. BUT NINEROSE ARE EQUALS SHE NEVER SAID SHE WANTED HIM HUMAN BUT RATHER HIMSELF AS HE IS.
its like fridging rose but worse. in s2-4 you made her in memory of someone else that ALWAYS treated her as an equal instead of actually continuing on with that with the next face. death wouldve been more forgiving and thats not a great thing to come to a conclusion to. The one that really treated you as both a love interest AND equal is dead, and now you're married to the discarded imitation of the one that only typecasted you as a love interest.
tentoo should be mad abt this too but this aint about him, this is about yall and the rose tyler connundrum.
i wouldve settled for her having the hand - settling for the hand if that hand turned into ninth doctor (like full on christopher eccleston doing donna impression everything) instead of what we got - which was dust. it made more sense that way. because then the dialogue narrative - the doctor's excuse - wouldve been more well recieved. Does it need saying would have more weight if Eccleston played a NineToo whispered i love you because you know it was well meant. Genuine. Its coming from someone that always treated you as an equal and also getting that i love you and not just - oh the human i love. i miss them not because i treated them on equal terms, its strictly because i only love them - no equality at all
like yeah chris wasnt going to return but hes a movie actor - hes used to green screen. he couldve sent a video message in a leather jacket and let it be done. like we couldve had nine saying i love you to rose on doomsday like do you get what im trying to say like. like tooth and claw if it was nine and rose both wouldve been like 'oh look at that a werewolf transformation!' And not what. we got. LIKE DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN
#tv: doctor who#c: rose tyler#c: ninth doctor#c: tenth doctor#{no because im tagging because i want genuine responses and not ANON HATE I WANT ACTUAL DEPH ANALYSIS}#{i dont think i have a tentoo tag. if i did i forgot}#{but i ship the dr with everybody including every TARDIS i see}#{but like i dont ship 10rose or 8rose. like those should be n' stay as platonic SO GLAD 8ROSE IS CANONICALLY PLATONIC thats drdonna LOVE IT}#{like 10martha is more appealing because that man flirted outwardly to her in front of a class and main hospital chief}#{meanwhile 10rose got deleted waste.of.time hand holding seasons 'we had to cut for time' professional sayin IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME}#{THEY CHOSE DUST INSTEAD OF THE FOOD NINE GAVE US FOR FREE WITH LATER 98% DISCOUNTS}#{so yeah but um yeah}#{but like yknow make a comprehensive argument: also goal here non poc ppl TRY NOT TO BE RACIST IN YOUR WORDS}#{i know how easily tempted you are as soon as you see martha and ten in the same sentence let alone the same post: check yo self}#{like 'oh rtd might bring to rose' he might kill her and its feeling and more like hes going to just to appease tories}#{because billie is VERY MUCH not a tory aka conservative so yeah do YOU see why i dont rose back but the moment}#{like he killed off 9 and that was probably due to him being antiroyalist so i IM RIGHTFULLY WORRIED FOR OUR GURL}#{IF she returns as rose tyler. if she returns as the interface THE MOMENT AS SHE IS WELLKNOWN FOR i wont have anythin to worry abt}#{as well as bts conditions but LIKE👀 the worry is there the worry is prevalent present and here}#{she need to come back with tentoo and mia in tow: linked arms handcuffed to each other SOMETHING THAT CALMS ME}#{i dunno who they'll cast for mia i dont care BUT MIA BETTER BE IN TOW WITH HER ON SCREEN IF IS MISS ROSE COME BACK}#{its to calm me.}
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Billie Piper fighting for her life, sitting next to Christopher Eccleston while he says that Russell T Davis, Julie Gardner and Phil Collinson would have to be sacked before he ever has a Doctor Who cameo, like the child of divorce that she is.
#doctor who#NineRose#like his hostility may be justified but why has he gotta do Billie dirty like that like he knows she is on friendly terms with them#and she has shown interest in coming back herself when an interviewer asked her when it was revealed that Tate and Tennant were returning#like Christopher Eccleston always talks fondly of Billie and Rose as a character so why would he put her in an awkward position like that#idk man it’s sad but it was also kind of funny I love drama and Eccleston does not give a fuck lol#I’m not taking sides cause a. I don’t know enough about what went down#b. it was 20 years ago#and c. my opinion on it is obviously irrelevant anyway#Christopher Eccleston#Billie piper#the ninth doctor#rose Tyler#rtd
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The Doctor cries over losing Jenny, a daughter he had for the span of one day and no one bats an eye
but people will call him whiny/annoying and fail to understand why he grieved the loss of Rose, a woman he fell in love with, and who traveled with him across a regeneration
Make it make sense 😠
#doctor who#ninth doctor#tenth doctor#rose tyler#timepetals#people playing stupid as if they genuinely can't understand why he would be so upset#jenny's loss is massive i get that#but imo the only reason ppl claim they don't understand is b/c they secretly wish he wouldn't have been that impacted by rose#my ramblings
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the doctorrose cardigan of it all
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There's a pretty good chance, yeah
Although checkerboard patterns seem to be back in style now, so possibly after 17 years of having a casual outfit that's black jeans/black graphic T-shirt/checkerboard hoodie that one would blend in. I also have some accessories that would be so obvious it's almost cheating, like my telescope ring and my lime green lizard backpack. But in general you could look for the mannequin that looks like either A, a rainbow threw up on it, B, an incarnation of Doctor Who going through a goth phase, or C, both at the same time somehow.
If your regular everyday clothes* were put on a mannequin, and placed in a group of other mannequins that are dressed in regular street clothes of your region, could the people who know you spot the mannequin who is "you" from clothes alone?
*if you are of an unusual size or build, assume for the sake of this thought experiment that they've found clothing items that are otherwise identical to yours, but able to fit to a standard mannequin
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Middle aged Amy was different. She had laugh lines around her eyes and mouth, and her glasses prescription had become stronger. She found that her fiery flames were being cooled down with the constant presence of fine white hairs framing her face. She was wise in her new chapter of life, and sat with her grandkids to tell stories about a man in a blue box.
She always thought her last time to say goodbye to the Doctor would have been that fateful day in the graveyard. A quick goodbye, a blink and she'd be with Rory together again. So it came to a shock as Amy spotted a familiar box parked on the corner of the street.
"No," she murmured to herself. "It's not possible." The ginger made her way over to the spot slowly- eyes scanning for any signs of him. She placed a hand on the door, feeling a thrum of life from the TARDIS.
"Hello old thing."
#v: all of time and space#c: open#eleventh doctor rp#amy pond rp#ninth doctor rp#tenth doctor rp#fourteenth doctor rp#thirteenth doctor rp#twelfth doctor rp
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Random Doctor Who Facts You Might Not Know, Part 31
The Master and Ace can sense when each other are near because they were both infected with the Cheetah Virus.
The Eighth Doctor met Lucie Miller before The Blood of the Daleks but did not tell her this to protect the timeline.
The Ninth Doctor once told Rose that he had at one point married a woman named Mary Wortley Montagu for love.
The TARDIS translation circuit has a swear filter.
The Seventh Doctor gave his companion Raine presents for every birthday she had growing up.
The Fifth Doctor had been teaching Adric how to fly the TARDIS. During simulations, Adric kept killing everyone while in flight.
The Tenth Doctor kept Winnie the Pooh bed linens on the TARDIS.
Teddy Acree stated that the Eighth Doctor had "destroyed millions and killed himself twice." This was set before the audios, where he would do this several more times.
The Eleventh Doctor once speculated that Gavrilo Princip had been conditioned by the Daleks to assassinate Archduke Franz Ferdinand with the intent of plunging Earth into war, which the Daleks would have used to their advantage. This notion was never confirmed to be true however.
Becky was the Sixth Doctor's dance teacher (and paradoxically the Sixth Doctor was her dance teacher). She is one of the few people the Doctor entertained potentially having a romantic relationship with, but he discarded the notion quickly. She knew what his real name was.
The Fifth Doctor was once mistaken for a hired assassin called the Scorpion. Although he had begun to deny this, Nyssa went along with their assumption, saying that she was his apprentice, the bloodthirsty Nyssa the Destroyer.
Grace Holloway came up with the alias Dr. James Alistair Bowman for the Eighth Doctor while trying to get into the New Year's Eve party. He would continue to use this as an alias occasionally throughout this regeneration.
Roberta Sampson was a young werewolf who became Susan's friend. When she transformed, the First Doctor shot her in the leg with silver bullets and went on trial for her murder. The Second, Third, Fifth, and Eighth Doctors infiltrated the jury to ensure he would be found not guilty.
Despite being Susan's son, Alex was only 7% Gallifreyan. He had one heart, no telepathic skills, and couldn't regenerate.
The Doctor and other Time Lords have body temperatures of about 15 degrees C.
The Eighth Doctor has worn blue eye shadow before.
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I got an actual drawing tablet and decided to do the rest of the Doctors to test it out. IT IS AMAZING. You can have a look at the others here.
Also, thank you so much to everyone who gave suggestions for Eleven, he was, by far, the HARDEST to find a breed/design for.
I ended up going with a border collie because a) they're great family dogs, b) they like to herd their 'flock' and keep them close and c) they 'give the eye', which means they have a predatory stare that's fierce enough to control a flock of sheep. Sound familiar?
Just gonna pop in a list of the breeds, if anyone's interested (or can't recognise them):
Fifth: Labrador Retriever War: German Shepard Ninth: Mixed breed (apparently he wasn't supposed to look 'doctorish', so like...) Third: Irish Wolfhound Eight: Portuguese Water Dog Fugitive: Puli Eleventh: Border Collie
#fanart#dogtor who#yes#character design#the doctor#doctor who#dr who fanart#dr who fandom#dr who art#dr who#dog breed#dogs#eighth doctor#war doctor#fugitive doctor#ninth doctor#eleventh doctor#11 doctor#third doctor#fifth doctor
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Captain Jack, Ninth doctor and Rose tyler paci icons ⭐️🌠🌺 I HAVE NEVER MADE THESE BEFORE SO I KNOW THEY LOOK REALLY WONKY BUT I WANNA GET BETTER AT MAKING THEM :C
SFW interactions only :3
#age regression#age regressor#agere blog#agere community#sfw agere#paci icons#pacifier icon#doctor who agere#doctor who age regression#sfw little blog#sfw littlespace#sfw age regressor#sfw age regression#sfw interaction only#sfw regression
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Chapter 1
Warnings: None. (Will however be a 18+ reader book)
Copyright: I do not own any Marvel characters or locations. However, I do own a few OCs like Elizabeth, Katherine, Stacy, and Jessie. I do not condone any copying of this.
You pulled on a long F/C hoodie along with a pair of black capris and some silver, purple, and pink shoes before pulling your H/C hair back into a ponytail. It was a little hotter out, but you had gotten more and more uncomfortable with having your left arm showing as you had gotten older and older.
That was because you had eleven soulmates.
Eleven.
E-le-ven.
No one had eleven soulmates. The most someone had was five. It was in the book of Genius World Records. At least, it had been until you had turned six months of age and the doctors were putting you up for photos to steal that place.
Eleven soulmates.
Each soulmate was shown by a colour imprinted into your skin. It circled the entire way around and coloured in. Very rarely, there would sometimes be a mix of two colours in one line, which meant that they were a complicated person.
You had eleven. More than half of them had two colours on each line.
Each line was about one and a half or two inches thick, so you had half of the space between your elbow and your wrist covered.
The first line was gold.
The second was gold and green.
The third line was pure black.
The fourth was red, white, and blue.
The fifth was silver and red.
The sixth was blue and green.
The seventh was red and gold.
The eighth was purple and black.
The ninth was also silver.
The tenth was also purple and black.
The eleventh was pink and brown.
Yours- your favorite colour- was situated on the right wrist and it was (for story purposes I chose because I needed an 'unusual' colour) Periwinkle, Turquoise OR Jade.
You grabbed your water bottle and headed outside for a run.
You hadn't been living in New York for long, having moved here for [either college or work].
You quickly headed for the park that you had been running at, popping earbuds into your ears, before setting it to your running playlist and taking off.
In the soulmate world of colours, you didn't develop your colours until you were six months old. And at that point, most didn't even get their left colours yet. Just their right one. It usually meant that their soulmate wasn't born yet.
The colours could change of course, people's favorite colours changed all of the time. You remembered when the purple and black line (number 8) had once been grass green and arctic blue. That change hadn't actually been to long ago, well five plus years at least. . . whenever the Sokovia Accords were supposed to have been signed.
You were allowed to marry all of your soulmates, because the Supreme Court acknowledge- as having more than one soulmate became more and more popular- that it wouldn't be fair to the other soulmates if only two could get married.
However, you weren't allowed to have sexual interactions without someone who wasn't your soulmate and even after meeting your soulmate, you weren't allowed to have sexual interactions until your honeymoon. This was to assure that there were no illegitimate children. And that was because children who were born of two people who weren't soulmates ended up not having any soulmate bonds period. They also tended to become either extremely sick, or extremely scary. Some of the most famous examples were Red Skull, Obadiah, Hitler, and Xi Xi Ping.
Once you were married, you developed an underlying characteristic from your soulmate. For example, if you soulmated with someone who was abundant in generosity, you would find that you yourself was more generous as well after the marriage bond. Whatever trait you got however, usually was to tip one of your own more. . . unfavorable characteristics into balance. So if you were a 'scrooge', you would become 'not scrooge'.
It was funny though, you had eleven soulmates and you had yet to meet a single one. And here you were [18-30] years of age, and still not one of your soulmates had shown. Seriously? How was that possible?
You sped up at the end of the song, putting in a full out sprint before the ads started to play. You slowed down before coming to a complete stop, taking a deep drink from your water bottle.
You sighed, wiping your forehead briefly with the hoodie sleeve. It truly was a right pain in the ass to wear such long clothes while running. But you hated being called out for, 'hey, aren't you the girl who was in the record book for eleven soulmates?'
Yeah, no thanks.
Maybe you could get those like. . . what are they. . . like arm sleeve. . .things? Ugh. English words.
Your phone started to ring and you picked it up, "Hey Y/S/N, are you up yet?"
"Clearly if I'm calling you." Your sister's voice grumbled through the phone. "I was hoping to sleep in a little longer. Your boss called the home phone. He wants you in the office in forty-five minutes."
"Ah shit." You cursed, hurrying back towards the apartment you shared with your sister. "Alright, I'm on my way."
You ran past a brunch of people walking calmly on the streets, bumping into an African American man who looked slightly familiar.
"I'm so sorry." You said hurriedly before moving past him, not even noticing the two female guards that had moved to stop you. Nor did you see him lift a hand to keep them from killing you for your 'crime'.
So maybe they wouldn't have killed you, who knows.
"Yeesh." He said in a light tone, "No need to be so uptight Okoye. It was an accident."
"Just wanted a less rushed apology my King." Okoye said stiffly.
T'Challa laughed a little, "She's clearly in a hurry. It is of no importance. Let us continue."
Meanwhile in your apartment, you rushed to shower, put your makeup one, do your hair, and throw on some appropriate clothes for your secretary job before rushing back out again. You hailed a taxi- you got lucky- and then you were on your way to work.
It was Thursday, so you hadn't been expecting work as you usually only worked Friday afternoons, Saturdays, and Sundays to keep up with your college studies Monday-Friday. But College had ended last week, leaving you on summer break. You had let it temporarily slip your mind.
Your mind wandered to your soulmates again, getting slightly desperate. You had several friends that were happily married- some of them even had kids already. Your sister had just gotten married and she was several years younger than you.
More specifically though, you wondered if your soulmates were just as desperate for you, or if they had other soulmates. Just because they were your soulmate and you were theirs, it didn't mean that they didn't have their own.
(For example: T, G, and S. S might be soulmate with both T and G, but it doesn't mean that T and G were soulmates with each other, just S. T might even have M as their own soulmate but neither G nor S is soulmates with M. But M would be part of the relationship because their soulmates with T and T is soulmate with S and S is soulmate with G and T. Confusing, I know. I made this story much harder on myself than need be.)
Luckily, you made it to your job with five minutes to spare, quickly take your spot behind one of the five secretary desks, setting yourself up.
Your secretary desk was a bit more cluttered than the others. You had a book in one of the cubby holes that you sometimes pulled out when it was a slow day. Several cups were on the shelf- not for drinking- but just filled to the brink with pens and pens and more pens. Your calendar book was on the left side of the desk, your laptop in the middle, and then the phone that you took the calls from on the right.
You pulled up the computer, letting it warm up quickly as you settled yourself in.
It was a slow day as predicted and you switched between work, reading snippets from the book, and also researching some stuff online.
Around lunch time, you put your phone on pause, grabbing your purse, and heading out with three of the other four girls that worked behind the desk.
"Where do you guys want to eat out today?" Stacy asked.
"Umm, how about Chinese food?" Jessie suggested, "I haven't had that in forever."
"Sure." You said. "There's a Panda Express nearby. I wouldn't mind getting some orange chicken and fried rice."
"Oh that does sound good." Katherine said wistfully.
The four of you walked to the Panda Express a few blocks down, ordering, before sitting at one of the high tables on stools. As you chowed down on the delicious and savory orange chicken paired with steamy fried rice and a nice F/Soda, Jessie said, "Oh yeah, did you guys here about the woman who bumped into the King of Wakanda today?"
"No, when did this happen?" You asked in interest. "Is she still alive?"
Stacy tsked, "Y/N, you know that the King of Wakanda isn't like that."
You grinned, "I was just kidding. Do they know who bumped into him?"
"No, apparently she was running like crazy." Jessie said thoughtfully. She pulled out her phone, pulling up something before sliding it over to you. You picked it up as she finished off her Teriyaki chicken as you watched.
You felt your heart start to beat faster and the blood drain from your face as you recognized exactly who had bumped into the King of Wakanda. While they hadn't been able to capture your face. . . well you pretty much know when you're on camera.
Shit. You knew he'd looked familiar.
You slid the phone over to Jessie, taking a large sip of your soda before asking, "Where is he staying?"
"Avengers Tower naturally." Katherine said with a shrug, slurping up her low mein noodles, "Did you know he doesn't have a soulmate yet? In fact, there's rumor than none of the Avengers have soulmates!"
"Crazy, right?" Stacy sighed, rubbing her singular blue band of her male soulmate whose name was Jackson.
"No, Captain America has his soulmate." Jessie said, shaking her head. "He's soulmated to Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson."
"Oh wow." I said. "I didn't know that."
"Yeah, well he doesn't flaunt them, ya know?" Jessie asked. "Although it was a bit of a surprise since soulmates are normally male and female pairs and same-sex pairs are rare just cause. . . well you know children. But he seems happy."
You didn't watch to much about the Avengers. You knew most of them, though not to a crazy extent. You were a big fan of that one song though.
"I think Tony Stark found is soulmate too, now that I think about it," Katherine said, frowning slightly before tucking her black hair over her shoulder. "But he's never said who it is."
"Pepper Potts?" Stacy asked.
"No. She's in that relationship with Happy Hogan and May Parker." Katherine said, shaking her head, "They have Peter Parker from May's brother and sister and then Morgan Hogan from Pepper and Happy."
"I thought I heard Pepper and Tony were soulmates?" You questioned as the four of you started to clean up the trash, tossing it.
"There was speculation because they were so close, but nope. Tony's friend Happy instead. Although I don't think May and Pepper are soulmates."
Once you were back at work and by yourself, the nerves started to twist in your stomach. You were starting to think of worst case scenarios. What if the King of Wakanda was waiting for you when you got home? What if your apology was inadequate for the King? Oh God, of course it was inadequate!
The nerves ate you up so badly your boss told you go home and get some rest because you were looking sick. You simply nodded, packing it up and walking home instead of trying to catch a taxi.
Once you were home, you looked around you, sure that the King of Wakanda would be out there waiting for you. Or maybe a guard. But there was no one. You headed into the apartment building, taking the elevator to the fifth floor and stepped into your apartment.
You did a full, paranoid scan of the apartment- your sister was out- before finding the place empty.
The King of Wakanda had not cared.
Good.
But the nerves wouldn't let you go.
Should you apologize again? Go to Avengers Tower and ask to see the King of Wakanda?
Yeah right.
Like they'd let a commoner like you in.
Maybe you could flash your eleven bands and gain some 'celebrity' pass.
Laughable.
You dithered around the apartment for another half hour before you headed out of the building again. It was at least worth a chance.
So you started the walk towards the Avengers Tower.
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#Braveclementineworks#BraveclementineNovels#Novel#Avengers soulmate#Y/N#xreader#18+readersonly#T'Challa#King of Wakanda#Avengers Tower#Katherine#Stacy#Jessie#Steve Rogers x Bucky Barnes x Sam Wilson#eleven soulmates#Avenger Soulmate Colours#Book 1
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now dont be that delusional folks
love that the billie piper character poll is just rose tyler hannah baxter and suzie pickles leading when we all know for a fact the doctor is broke but the human one isnt
like yall gotta be real here, suzie - as soon as she thinks a guy is attractive even at the lastest of last seconds, they fucking. it took rose TWO WHOLE SEASONS AND THREE EPS TO GET THERE. FIVE YEARS where SHE FINALLY GOT TO FUCK HIM. No mind possession no truth serum no nothin.
suzie got that shit done in doctor who time: two whole episodes. and full multi issue run in comics and on her season 3 audio with big finish. no shame no lesson learned from her arc like no.
i didnt even specify regeneration, yall just assumed the whores of doctors 8th and 10th would just be charmed by rose when we all know that if suzie pickles was the companion instead of rose captain straight slowburn tyler, we wouldve gotten smut implied in the third ep with a hot cut to where they are and they are in the hotel room and hes snuggling and she is facepalming because oops she did it again.
like no character growth nothing. if ten said the same thing to suzie that he said to martha, halfway through that shakespeare code, suzie and him wouldve made tf out. right in front of our salads. that rose call back the witch did would have made him hesitate in real time much to the embarrassment of literally everyone except him and suzie unless her phone got hacked again.
at least hannah would canonically sympathize with him. suzie would let that information sink in. be like aw thats rough buddy. and next thing u see, him and suzie are at jackie and rose's emptied apartment, shagging in where rose's room was and him crying out suzie pickles name in pleasure
#bw: out of ethos#{we all know suzie wouldve got it done TWICE MIDSEASON and thats just being generous considering production order}#c: tenth doctor#c: suzie pickles#c: ninth doctor#c: eighth doctor#tv: i hate suzie#tv: secret diary of a call girl#tv: doctor who#a: billie piper#{listen is this the worst way to promote my billie character shipping poll? yes. but do i want rose to win? no i want hannah and sally to}#{they got to meet TWO LIVE ACTION MATT SMITH CHARACTERS AND ONLY ONE CANONICALLY FUCKED HIM}#{of course i want hannah and sally to win}#{i put mandy and nicola there for david thewlis fans}
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Now that Shalka!Doctor has been acknowledged in the show, I am 100% back in on my old theory that he:
a) is a post War in Heaven Ninth Doctor (linking with his intended backstory with the Time Lords in the matrix),
b) is the same incarnation as the "Cabinet of Light" Doctor, with the Eighth Doctor being the one who was betrayed and shot in the back,
c) erased himself in restoring Gallifrey / splitting the timeline from the War, but due to the intricate timelines is kinda remembered by the Doctor as another life within Eight's lifetime. This is also why he shows up in With All Awry / Now or Thereabouts in the Eleven Day Empire with the post Ancestor Cell amnesiac Eighth Doctor and the post Time War Ninth Doctor.
(Weirdly this is also very similar to the recent fate of the Nicholas Briggs Doctor - what this means, I don't know. It's interesting that this may be a pattern that repeats: the Briggs!Doctor erases himself to bring back Gallifrey, the Shalka!Doctor erases himself to bring back Gallifrey... if they hadn't managed to 'trick out time' this would have been the fates of the New Who Doctors too in Day of the Doctor... erasing themselves to give their wartime incarnation a new future...)
While I'm all in that he links somehow to the post-War universe, this does leave us in an awkward position where his exact existence depends not just on exactly how that happened, but also leaves us with the question of where exactly he emerges from the whole mess.
My original interpretation was that he was simply a post Gallifrey Chronicles Ninth Doctor, who was later erased restoring Gallifrey,
But I also really like the idea that the Jacobi!Master seen in Scream of the Shalka is the "same" incarnation we meet in the Time War / Utopia, even if his history might be quite different. Compare this with the post biodata virus Fourth Doctor, who was born under very different conditions, but is still effectively the incarnation we know. While this works extremely well with the interpretation that Romana III / Trey's Gallifreys are one and the same and the War started not during the Grey Eminence erased VNAs!Romana Presidency, but the delayed BF!Romana Presidency, it does somewhat clash with my original idea.
Assuming their timelines sync up (which tbf isn't necessarily the case, especially as the War Master has been zipping his way all over the timeline - plus we have the 'child' War Master to account for) this would seemingly place the Shalka Doctor MUCH later in the timeline: nearly to the point of Night of the Doctor (or at least around the time of the current Eighth Doctor audios), with the Android Jacobi!Master still succeeding Macqueen.
But as far as we can tell, Shalka doesn't really fit with the future Doctors during the War (the ones leading up to the Relic anyway, though we may also need to note the rejected "The War" novel that would have featured COFD!Thirteen too). I guess he could emerge from one of the other(?) alternative Eights, like "Grandfather Paradox" or the Infinity Doctor? This does somewhat go against the idea of him still being part of the Doctor's history though.
Hmm....
I guess for now, my interpretation has to be that the Shalka!Doctor is indeed post-EDAs, and the Shalka!Master is a remnant of the War, from the Doctor's future, with the timelines indeed still being out of sync? This does at least continue to work well with the idea that Gallifrey is still around in the post Ancestor Cell Eighth Doctor's "present" but he's still living in the unerased War timeline - so the Shalka!Master is native to the post-War universe, but the Shalka!Doctor is not.
#Doctor Who#DW Spoilers#Rogue#Scream of the Shalka#Shalka!Doctor#Eighth Doctor#Shalka!Master#War Master#Yana!Master#The Ancestor Cell#The Gallifrey Chronicles#Faction Paradox#Doctor Who EU#DW Theory#DW Meta#Doctor Who Spoilers
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Nine and Ten going absolutely insane every time Rose, Martha, Donna were in danger
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River having to break her wrist to get out of the angel’s grasp b/c Eleven wouldn’t help her 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭
#anti moffat#moffat salt#ninth doctor#tenth doctor#eleventh doctor#rose tyler#martha jones#donna noble#anti river song#justice for river song#my ramblings#i don't care how much regeneration energy he transferred over to heal her#he's such an asshole#matt smith pulling off miracles acting wise to get me to like eleven#b/c the way he is written is not it ok#every episode i watch just makes me appreciate it nine and ten more#i was legitimately very upset by that#why would you ever love a man like that?!?#i really want to watch all of dw so i'm caught up for dt and ncuti#but this man tests me#he tests me every damn episode i watch
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My condolences for the containment breach I get how having thousands of ppl say the same joke over and over in the notes of your genuine analysis post can get annoying 😭 😭😭😭 I’m extremely down to hear more about the differences between the ninth and tenth doctors if you have any other insights you want to share though!!! I’ve been turning your post over and over in my brain like a rotisserie chicken ever since I read it it’s so good
omg thank you for your condolences...it really is the containment breach of all time...let me think!! I have a MAJOR tenth doctor video essay I may or may not make so here are the cliff notes:
-To begin. Anne Carson wrote that to live beyond the end of your myth is a perilous thing.
-in many ways, the 10th Doctor is cursed from his inception b/c he is born at the end of the Doctor and Rose's romantic arc (from a certain point of view) AND YET he is born sheerly out of love for her / to love her
-(we all know the fanon--or is it canon?--idea that Ten's face was subconciously selected to be one that Rose would like, and he's gone for her from the beginning...hello, The Christmas Invasion.)
-all that said, by the time The Parting of the Ways occurs, Rose and Nine have completed a full narrative arc:
-Nine whisked Rose away from the life of boredom and sheltered drudgery she experienced on the estate; she brought life back into the eyes of a hardened war veteran/The Last of the Time Lords
-more importantly, they complete a kind of mutualistic ultimate sacrifice (in a Shakesperian sense?) wherein Rose 'becomes' the Doctor by absorbing the literal heart of the TARDIS (we don't have time to get into that) and erasing the Daleks into dust, finishing the last of the Time War AND saving the Doctor's life
-he immediately returns the favor, absorbing the energy that's destroying her with a kiss (let it be known--the ONLY kiss between the Doctor and Rose Tyler proper--neither Tentoo or Cassandra really count imo), returning her to humanity, life, and safety
-all that said, Nine dies both saving AND being saved by Rose in a kind of unrivaled (?) parity between Doctor and companion. it's perfect synthesis.
-THEN 10 is born. uh-oh.
It is here that I would like to quote Michael Kinnucan's fabulous essay 'The Gods Show Up' on Greek tragedies:
The tragic hero is complete. You can call him unhappy (miserable, utterly broken) even before he is dead. For an instant he is something like divine. And then he dies, because there’s nothing left to do. The center of every tragedy is the image of a human being who has already died but keeps talking, someone whose face is a mask.
I think one of the most fascinating 10 v. 9 moments is that one scene that got cut where Rose says "I miss him." and the Doctor replies "Me too."
As many people in the notes of that original post point out (god help me) 10 is ALSO born IMMEDIATELY into heartbreak--whatever vestigal version of Nine lives inside him died with the despair of losing Rose
-TEN is the man that went sauntering away. perhaps that's part of why Ten is so terrified of/resentful towards regeneration. I think he's lived precisely the worst cost of it.
-The notion of 'talking after death' and 'wearing a face that's a mask' is a existentialist take on regeneration itself--ten EPITOMIZES this tragic hero archetype, esp. after Doomsday (literally! Doomsday!!)
-during his life, I wonder if Nine already considers himself lost in a sense? He's lived past the Time War, past the destruction of everything, and he's also the first NuWho Doctor. HIS ability to indulge in love (even in mortality, given his short lifespan) is different.
-TEN on the other hand has that INCREDIBLY frightening (for him) confrontation with Sarah Jane in School Reunion--knitting him back into canon continuum of Doctor Who, stitching him to the myth of The Doctor that has to live on and on and on in perpetuity--and seems VERY haunted by (im)mortality
-How much time does Ten spend running from Jack? A human being who CAN follow him to the end of time? Ten can't decide if he wants to be mortal or immortal, human or Time Lord. Think of the way he acts with Martha, with Wilf, with Donna. He is totally frozen inside of the space of his seasons. He has time paralysis (fatal, for a Time Lord)
-he is the first doctor that we see reallllly try to stave off regeneration
-That's why there's a certain frantic escapism to his adventures with Rose in S2--he knows, more than she does, that they are hurtling toward's disaster.
-he can't love Rose in a consumate way, even if he wanted to (he wants to) b/c he's trapped inside of his myth. he's like sisyphus. or that guy getting his liver ripped out by the eagle. Nine and Rose are lines that can cross. Ten and Rose are parallel lines. if they touch, the universe dissolves. hence why the narrative/God/Russel T. Davies had to lock her away in another universe
anways!
Ten once canonically carved a statue of Rose by hand with every inch of her body absolutely perfect, from memory, and I think that's crazy
#timepetals meta#timepetals#doctor who#doctor who meta#nuwho#rose tyler#tenrose#10th doctor#tenth doctor#the doctor#ninth doctor#9th doctor#ninerose#hope this is fun for you op!!! i also turn them around in my head like rotisserie chicken#or the very real dolls i had of them as a child that i brought to sleepaway camp and talked to#if you couldn't tell that i was that sort of person
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< --INTRO-- >
<<HEADMATES>>
>>Mel
Pronouns: she/her
Gender: transfemme
Sexuality: demisexual/bisexual
Age: 15
Sys Role: host
Signoff: [M1]
Origin: willogenic
Theriotype: housecat
>>Cornelius
Pronouns: he/him
Gender: cis male
Sexuality: unknown
Age: 500+
Sys Role: physical protector
Signoff: [C]
Origin: fenigenic
>>Meyeki
Pronouns: she/her
Gender: trans female
Sexuality: demisexual
Age: ageslider 15-17
Sys Role: dysphoria holder
Signoff: [M2]
Origin: willogenic
>>Michael
Pronouns: he/him
Gender: transmasc
Sexuality: pansexual
Age: 23
Sys Role: therapist, order keeper
Signoff: [M3]
Origin: endogenic OCtive
>>Wraith
Pronouns: it/him
Gender: demiboy
Sexuality: omnisexual
Age: 16
Sys Role: skill holder (gardening)
Signoff: [W]
Origin: endogenic
Kintype: RW Basil (Omori)
>>Bill Cipher
Pronouns: he/chaos
Gender: he won't give a usable answer
Sexuality: not even gonna ask
Age: millions of years
Sys Role: bitch ass motherfucker
Signoff: [B]
Origin: fixagenic introject
>>The Doctor
Pronouns: he/him
Gender: agender, if you really want to put a label on it. My people did away with the concept of gender millennia ago
Sexuality: aroace
Age: ~900 years this incranation, millions, possibly billions of years total
Sys role: none
Signoff: [D]
Origin: introject (Ninth Doctor, Doctor Who)
>>Eclipse? (We're still figuring out a name for them)
Pronouns: she/they
Gender: agender
Sexuality: pansexual
Age: unknown
Sys role: none
Signoff: [E] (for now I guess)
Origin: whatever it's called when a demon that exists externally moves in, I'm too tired to look for the word rn [M1]
>>If no signoff is used, assume it's Mel<<
Headspace stuff, sideblogs, non-tumblr things, and DNI under the cut
<<HEADSPACE REGIONS>>
>>Bright Field
Structures: Control Dome, Memory Library, The Arch, The Tavern, The Cave
Nicknames: "AH FUCK MY EYES!", "The Safe Zone"
>>Origin
Structures: The Tavern
Nickname: "AH FUCK MY EYES! AGAIN!"
>>Fictionspace
Structures: literally everything fictional we can remember, and The Tavern
Nickname: "OC Storage"
>>Deadzone
Structures: The Tavern, endless gargantuan concrete blocks
Nickname: none
<<HEADSPACE STRUCTURES>>
>>The Tavern
Description: A medieval style tavern with doors leading to a lot of different places in Headspace, at least one door for every region. There are several tables and a bar. A headmate can approach the bar and offer an item which will be replaced by a drink, many of which can cause instant emotional changes.
>>Control Dome
Description: A dome made of some kind of black metal with an iris door. The interior has a circle of sci-fi computers that are used for fronting. Atop the Dome there is a ring balcony of sorts.
>>Memory Library
Description: A grassy floating island with two bookshelves containing all of our memories. There is a rope ladder for accessing the island.
>>The Cave
Description: An alternative fronting location for Mel. The entrance shifts between the forms of the mouth of a cave and a colour-changing door and moves around often.
>>The Arch
Description: A stone arch holding a portal to a specific part of Fictionspace. Only Michael can use it.
<<SIDEBLOGS>>
>> @locibarpulo-official
>> @wraiths-things
>> @omnisec-archive
>> @lunatic-game-studio
>> @void-thief-anon
>> @locibarpulan-language-lessons
>> @polytheism-userboxes
<<NOT TUMBLR>>
>> Discord - ChaoticOrder1306
>> SimplyPlural - LunacySystem
<<DNI>>
>>PLEASE FOLLOW YOUR OWN DNI<<
>>Anti-Endos
>>Sysmeds
>>Transphobes
>>Transmeds
>>Radfems
>>Antifurries
>>Antitherians
>>Theriomeds (of course they exist)
>>Zoophiles
>>Pedophiles
>>Jayden James Kincaid
>>Racists
>>Fatphobes
>>Homophobes
>>Transphobes
>>Sysphobes
>>Anyone who ships Bill and Dipper, even ironically
>>The Fr*nch (/j ofc)
>>J*ssica (she is NOT fucking welcome here)
>>PLEASE FOLLOW YOUR OWN DNI<<
<<BOUNDARIES>>
>>Do not mention the incident (Omori) around us, Wraith has exotrauma from that
>>Don't give Mel virtual headpats she's comfortable with that from moots now
>>Don't ridicule us when we mention poor self-care, that will only slow things down
>>Don't spam us without permission
>>DO NOT FUCKING CALL ANY OF US PARTS, WE ARE ALL WHOLE PEOPLE (THAT HASN'T HAPPENED HERE YET BUT SOMEONE WE KNOW IRL CALLED US PARTS AND IT MADE US ALL SO FUCKING MAD)
<<MISC>>
Tags
Anything Mel says involving her religion will now be tagged with #Mel's Turmicist ramblings from now on
Old Pinned
#pinned intro#intro post#plural system#plurality#endo safe#trans#therian#cat therian#octive#endogenic#fenigenic#bill cipher introject#fictionkin#doctor who fictive#tenth doctor fictive
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