#bumbleby is canon and you can do NOTHING

[birzein]

Just lost power so I went to watch RWBY on my phone instead of on my computer, and I've just been deeply reminded by the absolute tragedy most comment sections are.

Listen, if all you're gonna do is bitch about how "Monty would have done it better" and "it needs a reboot with better characters" then in assuming you lack any and all brain capacity for intelligent thought so please get the fuck out of my comfort fandom thanks.

[metal-berry]

I'll pass. Last thing I want to do is deal with you freaks harassing me.

Here's some free information. Canon ships (Bumbleby, Renora, Arkos) will always be more popular than your fringe ships

Getting butthurt because of reality is just what I expect from RWDE

Oh, BTW...Yang is a lesbian and they'res nothing you can do about it

“I don’t want to deal with being harassed”

That’s rich. You’re harassing me on anon. Hypocrite.

I don’t care if my ships are popular, the point is that you lot chased out all the people who made content of them.

I accept your headcanon. I headcanon she’s bi.

[citadelofmythoughts]

Why do so many people in this fandom hate the idea of yang in a suit, when it comes to the other girls I see nothing but excitement when there's art of them in a suit, but I always see complaints when yang gets drawn in a suit. That or artists will draw yang in a dress simply because they think it would be "stereotypical" for her to be in a suit. Its fustrating honestly. I remember when v7 was airing, that one week people thought the atlas ball was happening I kept seeing posts advocating for rwb in suits but not for yang, for her all I saw was those "broke: yang in a suit woke: insert other team rwby girl, in a suit" posts sorry for the rant it's just kinda frustrating to have it repeatedly confirmed by crwby that yang is masc/ the most masculine of the team and yet the fandom continues to ignore or undermine the little masc women rep we have in the show :(. It reminds me of how even though bumbleby is canon, people in the fandom still want other blake/yang wlw ships to be canon instead

Hey you people who hate Yang wearing a suit, show yourselves, I just wanna talk....

But seriously, I don't know how many more times I can repeat it (not aimed at you, anon) it's the lesbophobia.

Yang in a suit forces them to confront the fact that she's a masc lesbian.

It's the same with the wanting other wlw ships instead of Bumbleby. Those ships are fiction. They're not the reality. (Yes I know this doesn't apply to all FB or other non-canon Yang/Blake ship fans but it IS true of a lot of them. Also don't get pedantic with me, I know it's all fiction but only one ship is CANON)

[opalharkness]

My Bumbleby Rant (Don't Worry I Ship It)

Bumbleby antis who insist that Bumbleby is forced or poorly written or wasn't planned from the beginning piss me off so bad. I clicked on this video and I haven't even begun watching it but the comments alone have me heated because nigga what (I am black do not worry).

Bumbleby is written exactly like Renora (not exactly, exactly) and yet I hear no complaints. While yes Renora are impiled to have huge crushed on one another in volume 1 they don't do anything with it until volume 4! Even then it's mostly in the background of their interactions in an arc that's about Ren. Renora really doesn't kick off until volume 7!

Same with Bumbleby, while their interactions in volume 1 aren't overtly romantic by the time we get to volume 2 and 3 something fruity was cooking in the writing room. In volume 2 Yang and Blake have their heart to heart in Burning the Candles which you can say isn't romantic but the framing of the scene says otherwise.

It's in golden hour, Yang is so very gentle with Blake even when angry with her. Yang winks at Blake at the end of the convo and says "I'll save you a dance" and the look on Blake's face as Yang walks away. The dance thing is also something I want to meation because that whole dance was just a plot device to futher romantic subplots and villain shenanigans. But the fact that Blake shares a dance with both Yang and Sun, her two most prominent love intrests, could mean nothing.

Also in Volume 2 when WBY have their talk in Montain Glenn and Blake is being very hard on herself it is Yang that attempts to reassure her.

However it is volume 3 where yall bitches should have known what time it was. After Yang and Mercury's fight, where everyone believes that Yang attacked him for no reason and their sitting in RWBY's dorm room. Blake is hesitant to fully believe Yang because of her experience with Adam but after being Yang looks Blake in the eye reassures her that she didn't hurt Mercury out of maliciousness Blake lays the whole thing to bed.

(sidenote that scene is a wonderful display of communication and character growth on Blake's part and shows just how far she had come because volume 1 and 2 Blake would have never have done that)

Yang and Adam, Blake's ex-BYFRIEND, are being directly paralleled in this scene. Then the scene where Adam cuts off Yang's arm. Adam just before Adam stabs Blake he tells her "He will make it his mission to destory everything she loves" which is line that screams LOVE INTREST ENTER STAGE RIGHT.

Yang throws herself at Adam in an effort to protect Blake (there are tears in her eyes btw) and we all know what happens next. The next time we see Blake and Yang, Blake is holding Yang's hand while sobbing as she apologizes for what happened. These moments scream romance to me because of similar scenes between love intrests in other media but also because it sets up a conflict between Adam and Yang.

The writers in volume 3 set up a conflict between Yang and Blake's ex-boyfriend and I'm supposed to buy that they didn't plan for Bumbleby to be canon? Really? Also Yang and Adam's semblances are simailr something we knew about these two characters long before that was revealed in the show in volume 6. Meaning the parallels between these two were something the writers had planned out for years at that point.

disclaimer for next part: I love Black Sun do NOT take this as ship war nonsense. I'm just talking about people who leverage against Blacksun against Bumbleby. This is NOT an attack on the ship.

This meme is literaly me. I am a firm believer in the Blake has two hands agenda. Why have just one bubbly blonde when you can have two?

anyway back to the show.

If CRWBY had planned for Blacksun to be canon and they only switched gears to Bumbleby in volume 6 then why doesn't Sun have any conflict with Adam? As far as I know he doesn't even interact with that man but Yang does. What reason would they have for paralleling Yang and Adam if Bumbleby wasn't planned by the writers? Like get so serious.

Also within volume 4 and 5 you have both Blake and Yang pinning after one another. When Blake is having her talk with Sun after he is injuried by Ilia her voice literaly breaks when she says Yang's name. The volume 4 opening has Blake looking off to the side at Yang. It's so clear that Yang is the main reason between Blake's spiral.

Yang is so upset with Blake leaving in volume 3 and is still upset about it in volume 5. The whole reason Weiss and Yang's talk in volume 5 chapter 8 even happens is because Yang is upset with Blake for leaving. Also Blake and Yang can also be parallel with Taiyang and Raven, Yang's parents and canonical romantic pairing.

Like yes, Blacksun had some really great moments in volume 4 and 5 and Like Morning Follows Night is an absolute banger however I don't think they were endgame. Over the volumes they're interactions start to feel platonic more than romantic, even in the earlier volumes they're interactions aren't that romantic when compared with other ships. Still love them as a pairing tho and I'll alway find them so much fun.

Well that's it. I don't know how to end this. (I still need to finish that essay about Tauradonna, Blacksun, and Bumbleby. I'll try to work on it later.)

[strykingback]

Im sorry, but Jaune stans have really delicate feelings... Adam and Ironwood stans have had way more horrible words flung to them, both Bumbleby and Blacksun shippers too... It's sadly just the normal behavior of the FNDM. I feel bad that Jaune stans are receiving punches too, but they really act like it's the end of the world and like haters have kicked them in the gut. This is normal. Welcome to the actual experience in the RWBY FNDM!

I have to agree as well. I know that there are some good Jaune fans out there that understand that Jaune is poorly written as a character same with those in the Ironwood and Adam camps as well. These three characters in particular all lacked something when being written. Which I think for Adam and Ironwood fans held up firmly while Jaune stans just need to see that Jaune is poorly written... and not a good character.

For Jaune his poorly written status are in line with his lack of accountability, how the writers mostly Miles and Kerry treat him like a self-insert, and lastly poorly-done and pretty generic Semblance and allusion. What he lacks in accountability and responsibility, more respect towards his historical allusion, lastly, not being treated as a "Nice Guy" self-insert character.

Adam was VICTIM of racism even his bio on the now defunct Amity Arena mobile game even supports this. Yet people want to call him abusive or a PDFile because.

The Writers didnt know what to do with him. (Once again, fuck you Miles and Kerry.)

We still have no official confirmation about his age, despite A/rryn Z/ech claiming that he's in his twenties. Once more. Voice Actors dont write the show.

Instead of that. It would have been best to see how racism towards the faunus affected Adam when he was younger, since he has the Schnee Dust Company brand on his eye. Another thing would be to reinforce the student-master relationship and thats it. Nothing romantic between Blake and Adam just a student and master stuff that is all. T

he fact that we could have seen him at first glance hesitant to help humans after the Haven Academy attack because of his morals when he is exiled by the White Fang's council and a new High Leader. While at the same time revealing why he does not trust humans.

Not to mention making him a key-player in the downfall of Jacques Schnee alongside Blake, Weiss, and Winter. Most important of all for that specific arc being that he could see that both Faunus and Humans in Mantle suffer underneath Atlas and the corporations that live up there.

Ironwood just like Adam felt like wasted potential as well for lack of development and no exploration about his past at all. Just suddenly revealing that: "Oh he was evil all along" instead of understanding that he is in a position of leadership and doing what he can while also letting the stress of that position get to him.

We should have gotten the reveal on what happened to half of his body, why he is so focused on maintaining order to better fit the Tin Man allusion, and developing around him to the point where he reveals a kinder side to him. Showing that he has a heart.

Lastly, his semblance not being an ableist allusion for ADHD, which is on the spectrum by the way. Instead why couldn't it have been powered up shots depending on which gun he is using.

God thats another thing I want to touch on. As someone who ships Blacksun as well, I feel very sorry for the peeps who shipped Blacksun a lot, even to the point when BB did become canon that they may have insults flinged at them especially in their ask boxes anonymously. Which I also feel sorry for any BB fans who wanted a natural confession instead of the forced one they got in Volume Nine and perhaps in some case wanting Blacksun or Sunnybees (basically Polyamrous Blacksun and BB) .

To end this.

Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter The RWBY FNDM For if you disagree with what the FNDM says, thou shalt be shamed for it.

[teganstable]

Rwby Cupids Booth pt 1

Songs I think capture the ships of rwby(well the ones I can remember anyway THERE ARE SO MANY 😭 the poly ones alone are plentiful but rest assured they will be included eventually) also if u see an excess amount of hoizer NO U DIDNT (he just knows how write music okay hoizer × rwby crossover coming soon)

Renora (rens pov)

Renora (Nora's pov)

(the only absolute truth I hold for rwby is renora)

Nuts & Dults (Penny's pov)

Nuts & Dults (Ruby's Pov)

(I had so many great options for them another ship I happen to love but I wanted to take a realistic approach to them so it aligned with Canon I think Ruby did love penny like that but with her death AGAIN she'd feel somewhat like this and for penny she had nothing but love for Ruby she was hee first REAL friend that's... moving somehow)

Bumbleby (Yangs pov)

Bumbleby(Blake's pov)

(This ship had such a sensual feel, and if the writing were better I'd imagine they'd give this vibe so hard they really are beautiful together.)

Arkos (Jaunes pov)

Arkos (Pyrrhas pov)

(real straight forward with arkos songs says it all)

Ladybug (Blakes Pov)

Ladybug (Ruby's pov)

(A cutie patootie ship that I just thing is so wholesome and safe.)

[kitkatopinions]

Just thinking about how some Bumbleby fans insist their ship is superior to ships like Freezerburn and shouldn't be criticized because their ship is canon, and how they'll be like "Bumbleby is canon, Freezerburn never would've happened and you're delusional for thinking it."

A. It's a little like the "people say Rwby is a bad show, but it's actually popular" thing, where it's like, whether or not the ship is canon has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the ship is good or well written or non-toxic or any of that.

B. I really do think that one reason why people think "mine is canon and yours isn't" is a convincing argument, or like a hurtful thing to say to people who ship a rival ship like Freezerburn or Blacksun is because of the anti-criticism push in the fandom and the villainization of rwde. Saying you want a different ship to be canon is skating really close to saying you think the writers shouldn't have done the thing that they did, after all. And meanwhile, the anti-criticism push in the fandom has resulted in this thing where 'it's canon' is meant to be kind of a last word on things, or 'it's what the writers wanted' or 'here's what the writers want us to think' is used like they're meant to be argument ending and undebatable. Because the fandom at large's anti-rwde expectations means that the writers are always supposed to be right and that the fans are just supposed to accept and like everything that the writers do or say with a smile. Like, the most you're allowed to say without getting labeled 'rwde' and therefore an evil, bad faith horrible person is 'that change wasn't what I personally would've wanted, but it's still great.' People get harassed and sent hate for saying that the writers make mistakes or shouldn't have done something they did. So of course some bees fans think that saying "well Bumbleby is canon and the writers never would've gone with Freezerburn" is going to make people feel badly or is going to make them rethink their own shipping preferences. Of course some bees fans feel better about their ship themselves simply because they can say it's what the writers wanted, so when they see a post about how a different ship had better development they can reassure themselves by sending the person messages telling them "that ship isn't canon and my ship is canon, hahaha."

C. The way the writers talk very much so implies that they're easily swayed by fandom opinion. For example, recently they were talking about Neo and how they essentially killed her off in the end and how they viewed her as irredeemable, but one reason they gave her a more sympathetic end and had her 'bow out' was because a lot of people liked her character a lot. And that isn't a one off occurrence. The writers often talk about how the audience reacts to things and how they've tried to work through audience complaints (badly, but that's a complaint for another post.) So, I'm supposed to believe that bumbleby becoming canon had absolutely nothing at all to do with it being the most popular ship in rwby (and again, popularity doesn't equal quality) and that if Freezerburn hadn't been more popular, they wouldn't have gone with it? I don't believe that. 'Planned from the beginning' or not, the writers carry things out or change things based on the fandom already, so idk why I should exalt bumbleby as the superior ship just because they're canon. Arkos is canon too, that doesn't mean I have to like Arkos or like it more than shipping Jaune with Ren and Nora or shipping Jaune with Neptune. Renora is canon too, that doesn't mean it's inherently superior to Sugar Rush and that there's nothing to complain about in how the writers wrote Ren and Nora's relationship. XD

I ship Han with Leia in Star Wars, I've liked them since I was a kid. Imagine if I went up to perfect strangers who shipped Han with Luke and was talking to people about wishing they'd gone with Han and Luke, and I was like "haha, the ship that I like is canon and yours isn't! Luke and Han was never gonna happen, you delusional idiot!" That'd be not only asshole behavior, but it'd also be totally irrelevant to the conversation and completely meaningless to the person who clearly already knows what ship is canon.

So yeah, tl;dr version of this is: Ships that are canon aren't inherently superior to ships that aren't canon. The writers are swayed by the fandom anyway, so it could've just as easily been freezerburn if it was more popular and popular doesn't mean good. The anti-rwde, anti-criticism stuff in the fandom is one big reason why these shipping wars even continue and why some bees fans feel so superior about their ship. And it's entirely irrelevant to discussions of quality to brag about a ship's canon status.

[joy-crimes]

i think my biggest problem w/ rwby @ this point is how much they love shock value and making their characters suffer for entertainment. Ever since the end of volume 8 there’s been an air of “you’ll never guess what happens next!!” before the result being death, destruction, sadness, etc.

They played the Everything is Horrible card to wrap up volume 3 and it almost feels like theyve been trying to recapture that “woah what the hell???” factor ever since.

the volume 8 ending marked a really dark turn for rwby as a show, with scenes so graphic and upsetting that you can feel the grins on the writer’s faces when they told themselves “This is a game changer, no one will EVER expect this.” even though many of the darker themes were already explored much more tactfully in v3.

but the result is much more damning, because now, nothing is shocking. It’s the factor that made most people stop reading attack on titan. if ANYTHING is fair game, no matter how dark, then why get invested in any of it??? Hell, they made bumbleby canon after years of baiting, doubling back, yearning, etc, and it didnt even end up being the climax of the episode!!! (no really! that episode kept going after the happiest scene all season).

Now like, volume 9 has been arguably going better than its predecessors in terms of character writing, but it’s also really awkward to watch them stumble and trip over the decisions they made for the volume 8 ending. There’s a deep deep feeling that if the team just talked to each other for more than 5 minutes, none of these events would be taking place. It’s narrative tension in such a bland form. the biggest relief in the entire season was an extended scene where blake and yang FINALLY talk about their feelings. after AN ENDLESS SUPPLY of skirting around their issues, and unfortunately, that episode ended, and we had plenty more show afterwards.

This latest episode was a tough sell for me. i already don’t exactly trust RT to handle “sensitive/distressing themes”, and to that end i think that Ruby’s “decision” in this episode could’ve used much more sensitive & informed lead-in. Also, straight up there are some really dark things in this episode ASIDE from that, that I swear to god, someone was smiling over in the writer’s room.

SPOILERS: you can try to make Neo a sympathetic villain, or you can have her crush a defenseless mouse to death under her heel, but you can’t do both, dude. Ya just can’t.

END SPOILERS: overall, i think im fine w/ this season. it’s overall decent and is trying it’s best to handwave away all the bad decisions made in previous seasons. That method CAN work if it’s in the interest of making a more thematically interesting show & learning from your past mistakes, but instead it feels like they’re simply running from tragedy to tragedy, with glimpses of happiness that are starting to feel more like a trick they can pull out whenever they want to lure you into a false sense of security. Characters being happy is now a surefire sign that there’s going to be a character death soon.

SPOILERS AGAIN SORRY THIS IS DISORGANIZED: my friend hannah pointed out that one of the most egregious parts of this episode is that neo didnt know most of the people she was puppeting around to psychologically torture Ruby. Neo’s actions were supposed to convince Ruby that all these deaths were her fault, but because there’s VERY few characters that fit that bill, you end up with the issue of many characters being folks Neo shouldn’t even know the status of (unless she can suddenly read minds)

Leo, the headmaster of mistral died while ruby & friends were off screen, and was DIRECTLY killed by Salem without Ruby’s involvement.

Ozpin and Pyrrha were killed by Cinder, while Neo was busy careening into the abyss on her umbrella, implying in that in their brief time together, Cinder explained everyone who died who had a connection to Ruby. Neo clearly guesses that penny is dead in the first place, meaning that her even KNOWING about Leo is completely unexplainable. Neo also shouldnt have known that Ironwood was dead, and on top of all else, why does she think that Ruby would blame herself for clover???? methinks the writers just wanted to fill seats in neo’s scary fucked up dining room. wacky decision.

Or maybe it isnt, because the first thing i thought was: “Wow thats so scary what the fuck”

which again points a big neon arrow to the writing issues of current rwby: It was done to be shocking even though it doesn’t make sense.

I have a hard time believing any of the events of this episode are ones they’ll stick with. All of the characters who “died” in this episode can plausibly come back in some way shape or form, so I guess now its time to just wait n see what happens.

[friends-to-lovers-tournament]

FRIENDS TO LOVERS TOURNAMENT BRACKET

thank you all for your patience! here's our updated bracket:

(the typed-out list of match-ups can be found under the cut)

sorry if your ship didn't make it in btw. we made our selections based on number of submissions + strength of propaganda and these were the ones that made the cut

a reminder of the rules because we want this tournament to be a fun & safe space for everyone:

be respectful to the other voters and to us mods. supporting your fave(s) is encouraged, but we will NOT tolerate any hate towards other ships. anything from "wreck those twinks" to slurs and hate speech will get you blocked IMMEDIATELY, no questions asked or chances given. if you have nothing nice to say to/about your opponent then literally don't say anything at all; just vote and scream for your blorbos then MOVE ON. there are better things to do than being toxic about some pixels online.

a ship being canon does not make it "superior" and a ship not being canon does not make it "inferior". comments like "XX ship is canon therefore it's better than YY ship" will also get you blocked immediately. we let headcannoned ships in so more people can indulge in silly blorbo fun, don't ruin it.

propaganda is encouraged! preferably do it in the text of a reblog of the relevant poll, but sending it via an ask is also an option

-mod deli 🎀

4. also propaganda in the form of fanart, fics, and memes are also encouraged! (just specifying this to make it clear)

-mod soba 🍜

SIDE A

Amalia/MC (It Lives Within) vs Keanyx (Boy Girlfriend)

Tasutsumu (A3!) vs Zenyuki (Snow White with the Red Hair)

Makoharu (Free!) vs Soma (Soul Eater)

Rahulanjali (Kuch Kuch Hota Hai) vs Dexer (Jackson's Diary)

Eulamber (Genshin Impact) vs Polyneed (Project Sekai)

Darlapple (Ever After High) vs Joon Hyung/Bok Joo (Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo)

Sasuke/Mai (Ikemen Sengoku) vs Fuyupoly (A3!)

Aviskull (Coroika Splatoon) vs Sourin (Free!)

Iruclarazz (Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun) vs Sunnflower (Omori)

Sidyonk (Legend of Zelda TOTK) vs Rex/Nia/Pyra/Mythra (Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and 3)

Adrienette (Miraculous Ladybug) vs Sorikai (Kingdom Hearts)

Narlie (Heartstopper) vs Courfius (Les Miserables)

Junnana (Revue Starlight) vs Alanna/George (Song of the Lioness)

Walter/Millie (Free Guy) vs Kuroken (Haikyuu!!)

Soriku (Kingdom Hearts) vs Scarlet/Chase/Brook (I'm the Grim Reaper)

Adrigaminette (Miraculous Ladybug) vs Tigatron/Airazor (Transformers: Beast Wars)

SIDE B

Chrobin (Fire Emblem Series) vs KohaAi (Ensemble Stars)

Seeley/Temperance (Bones) vs Kidkiller (One Piece)

Boyf Riends (Be More Chill the Musical) vs Avocados at Law (Daredevil)

Patcap (BBC Ghosts) vs Tankana (Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba)

Buddie (9-1-1) vs Kenhina (Haikyuu!!)

Renga (Sk8 the Infinity) vs Fitzsimmons (Agents of SHIELD)

Danny/Sam (Danny Phantom) vs Huntlow (The Owl House)

Aridante (Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe) vs Ikesoren (Fire Emblem Series)

Karmisa (Assassination Classroom) vs Gwiles (Spiderverse)

Catradora (She-Ra and the Princesses of Power) vs Bumbleby (RWBY)

Olivia/Victoria (Rainbow High) vs Tododeku (Boku No Hero Academia)

Zosan (One Piece) vs Byler (Stranger Things)

Hidekane (Tokyo Ghoul) vs Mawee (Drawn to Life)

Knighthouse (Emma by Jane Austen) vs Percabeth (Riordanverse)

Kirk/Spock (Star Trek) vs Ellemmett (Legally Blonde the Musical)

Jiglup (Lupin the Third) vs Raeda (The Owl House)

[ficretus]

Assuming a slim chance Knightfall ever happens in canon, what would other major pairing in the story be?

Lot of people go for Whiterose since it "removes" both Weiss and Ruby as potential love interests for Jaune. As well as being one of the most popular pairings in general, so it would balance out extremely controversial pairing with fan pleaser.

However, I'd say Knightfall kind of needs Rosegarden to happen. Basically, all the ways you can speculate Knightfall also work for Rosegarden when applied to it.

Mostly straightforward adaptation of literary influence? So far Cinder fits the most as Dauphin to Jaune's Joan (not romantic relationship in the story, but he was her "one and only"), Jaune fits the most as Prince Charming to Cinder's Cinderella. Similarly, Oscar is Princess Ozma to Ruby's Dorothy as well as being Little Prince to her Rose.

Complementary colors? Jaune's eyes are blue, Cinder's are orange. While Oscar and Ruby cannot complement each other that way since silver is not a color, they do have complementary color schemes, green and red respectively. And their eyes complement each other in different way considering Ruby's eyes glow silver and eyes of Ozma's vessels glow gold. Doing Bumbleby, Knightfall and Rosegarden would then close out the RYB color wheel.

Connection to in universe fairy tale? Jaune and Cinder seem connected to Indecisive King while Oscar and Ruby to Warrior in the Woods. This one is especially interesting considering what would be the point of creating in universe fairy tale that matches the characters in the show and then do nothing with it.

You can even include Ozma and Salem imagery. Bumbleby had it, especially with Adam as third wheel. Jaune and Cinder have it, and if that turns out to be canon then it only makes sense for last major pairing to also have Ozma and Salem imagery. And what better candidate than pairing that has Ozma's vessel.

Of course, Rosegarden is significantly more palpable as a ship and doesn't need shitload of outside sources to stand on its two legs. So I can easily see them doing Rosegarden and not doing Knightfall, but I consider it almost impossible to do Knightfall and not do Rosegarden.

[lilithfairen]

Let's leave Evermorrow alone, yeah?

Kale ain't bashing the writers, he encourages people to give RWBY POST volume 3 a chance, and does not in any way claim to be "fixing" RWBY?

Already he and MOST of his team are being far less toxic than Ray and his narcissist group.

So...why not lay off Kale and the others on his team who are making an AU, not a rewrite.

There's a major difference between the two, one of respect. And Kaleidoarms is infinitely more respectful than a team of youtubers who were so triggered by bumbleby that they made videos trashing the LGBT in RWBY.

At the same time, why not make Kale aware that its because of people who keep talking about "fixing" rwby that people are distrustful of his work.

You say that like there's nothing to be criticized in Evermorrow, like the fact that the "AU" gives Team RWBY utterly no focus at all while dragging into the spotlight a bunch of Shitty White Dudes and giving them scenes where they insult the heroines, all while (lazily and nonsensically) writing the female antagonists of RWBY out of the story so it can focus entirely on male villains, including one who never triumphs over Team RWBY in canon but gets to do so in this shitty AU.

Evermorrow might not wear its RWDE/HTDM identity on its sleeve but it's very clearly written by the kind of people who are pissed off that RWBY dared to have more depth beyond "stock shonen hero-school plot" and didn't give the Shitty White Dudes the focus these people think such characters deserve just for being Shitty White Dudes.

[howlingday]

I know this is playing with fire but I like Bumbleby but I accept that people like Black Sun more. Im glad to let people ship what they want mostly (we don't people who ship characters with thier parnets seriously in the eyes) but sometimes when people talk about how Black Sun should have happen it sounds like they think Sun in entitled to Blake because of everything he did and it makes me uncomfortable. Is that weird? Am I being a toxic wasp?

HOW DARE Y- Nah, you're fine. But I can see where you're coming from when people say "Black Sun should have happened" and I can agree with what they mean. Although, I can also see the whole 'Sun being entitled to Blake' thing as a real thing happening and it being the wrong way to go about the situation.

The thing about Black Sun being canon was the simple fact that, for a time, that's where it looked like the series was going. Sun has been nothing but helpful to Blake since his introduction, she felt mutual feelings of interest in Sun during Volume 3, and they even got the whole "Dad doesn't like you but Mom does" trope in Volume 5 that kinda made the whole thing cute, not to mention all the things he does to help Blake in Volume 5.

Now, I'd say you would be a toxic wasp if you were skulking around to Black Sun posts, posting things like "BMBLB IS BETTER" or "THIS IS CRINGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT CANON" or things like that just to harass people into shipping what you yourself are shipping.

If you believe that Sun was entitled to Blake for some vapid and translucent reason, then yeah, I'd say you should be uncomfortable. However, I believe that Black Sun should have happened because that's what canon was telling me was happening. And while we're on the subject of canon, you know how the novels had Sun getting backlash for ditching his team? You know who didn't get ANY backlash for ditching her team? Not even from her partner, who was the most devastated by her absence? Blake. If we're throwing shade, don't forget to toss it on the literal shadow of RWBY. Mic drop, mid-air catch, reminder that you're free to think and do as you like so long as you aren't hurting anyone. Unplug mic, stow for later.

And don't forget to keep up the good work!

[invested-in-your-future]

thoughts on bumbleby?

I…genuinely can't see a version of RWBY where those two are NOT the endgame. As characters they are closely tied since the very first trailer, the beauty and the beast metaphors just literally write themselves and beyond Cinder's plot, its the single most well built up thing in Volume 1 through 3 and their trauma is intrinsically linked. Their relationship is genuinely THERE - be it in terms of each allowing themselves to be vulnerable when around each other or just how much blake subconsciously tied herself emotionally to Yang (considering how much Mercury stuff hits her in V3). Its likely the single most tangible idea in the show.

The fact that I have SEVERE doubts it would have gone ANYWHERE had RWBY not been put into a situation where it's very survival as a show is in danger…speaks miles about how RWBY is handling various aspects of itself, be it characterization or social issues…

The show is…not great with inclusivity…at all. Be it tackling it as in-story issue (be it WF storyline or how the show handles trauma) or actually being inclusive. Inclusivity is something that comes up as patchwork against critique, rather than something that's intervowen into the show. The amount of queerbait, heternormativity, ableism or just outright insensitivity is just…yeah. Till certain point show is completely oblivious just how heteronormative it is, like it takes legit YEARS before the criticism reaches the writers and they throw at the viewer "here LGBT people exist" kind of moment.

It kind of made me feel like this relationship is this "break in case of emergency" thing, where the show is absolutely afraid to commit to any sort of buildup and instead dangles it as POSSIBILITY, while also throwing in a good share of random het stuff around. You take any moment in time of RWBY existing, Monty or no Monty and you will have SOMETHING - be it the way Sun's team is used in S2 that feels like writers being scared of WLW ships that came to be or the infamous bumbleby song incident where RT released an absolutely romantic ship song during pride month and then backpedalled hard on how it means nothing for canon and how all songs totally mean nothing for canon. Or how after the absolutely charged build up in V3, you get an…entire season of trying to counter-balance it with Blake and Sun where the show tries to execute a similar plotpoint between them. Its a repeated pattern of plausible deniability.

Even if you take a moment without a controversy brewing, it always felt like the writers are AFRAID of Blake and Yang actually interacting or progressing as characters or as a relationship. Volume 4 through 8 are filled with the kinds of situations where Blake and Yang "share a scene together", but in terms of writing it feels like there's intentional artificial wall placed in between them. The characters are not allowed to deal with their separation at the end of V3 because it could be viewed as romantic, the characters are not allowed to vocalize their trauma because their traumas are intertwined and it could be viewed as romantic bonding, the characters are not allowed to to react to each other's actions because reacting to each other can be seen as romantic. So in a way you get a lot of scenes where Blake and Yang can stand together in a same scene but not really progress.

Like not even just as a pairing, you don't need a pairing to deal with character sexuality. You can still do entirety of will they won't they after having confirmed that yes Blake and Yang can be interested in women romantically. But the show avoids it till the last possible moment.

Given to be fair, that applies to more than LGBT topics - Ruby has spent her ENTIRE SCREENTIME from start of V4 till end of V8 being juuuuust on the brink of having a proper character moment where she can reflect on her trauma, for example, just scene upon scene where any kind of breakthrough is suddenly interrupted or goes nowhere. That's because the show is afraid of committing to ANYTHING overall, not just LGBT pairings. Any sort of character development, any sort of growth or change, any sort of progress. Any bigger revelation is toothless (just think back onto Salem flashback and just how it changes absolutely NOTHING in the show)

So you have basically a show where you have a bunch of characters and relationships with a lot of potential and possible build up and the show kind of does nothing with it for entire seasons. Because the show is afraid of change or progress of any sort.

Countries can fall, people can die and nothing changes.

Characters Don't. Status Quo Doesn't. Setting Doesn't.

It feels like the show is stuck. Stuck just after V3 ended. Stuck and just throwing multiple kind of redundant plotlines at the viewer to distract.

I love Blake and Yang as a pairing and I think its one thing that makes the most sense in the show. Its one of the main draws to the show for me when I still watched it.

I wish this show was THE show that lived up to the boundless storytelling potential that that relationship is...alas.

So yeah, its complicated.

[lacependragon]

The worst thing that ever happened to RWBY was making Bumbleby canon.

In the process of getting there, the show just shredded Yang and Blake's characters and left nothing but empty caricatures of what they were before behind. I love a good queer ship but they literally flattened Yang and Blake to do it. Most of their personalities are gone. All of their abilities outside of each other.

It's obnoxious. It's awful. And it's exhausting that the entire fucking fndm still thinks this was the greatest thing ever.

I was all for the Bees. But destroying their characters to do it is fucking stupid.

Hey Shawcross, you ready to talk about what a fucking bad writer you are, yet? And how homophobic?

Because I can already see the queerphobia in Blake and Yang's relationship. In all the queer women of this show. It's easy, actually.

You go out of your way to make them look "normal". And then people praise you for it.

And no one notices how you're erasing queer expression, queer identity, or any other relationship outside of the fucking dichotomy of light/dark f/f ships.

Good job. You managed to write the most homophobic F/F ship I've ever seen.

God that kiss was still so fucking stiff and bad.

[waheelawhisperer]

do you have a ship/pairing that you feel is widely misunderstood?

Disclaimer: I'm not super invested in shipping at the moment, but I'll do my best to give you a good response that isn't just bitching about my frustrations regardless.

The easy answer is "all of them" because fandoms have a tendency to condense interesting, multifaceted characters down into components of a ship and ignore any aspect of their characterization that doesn't immediately lend itself to common shipping memes and scenarios and it's fucking annoying, but if I had to pick a specific option, I'd probably go with Dragonslayer for RWBY (inasmuch as I still ship that) and Texas x Lappland for Arknights. I'd like to have given you an answer for Baldur's Gate 3, but I still haven't found the time to finish that game.

For Dragonslayer, there's a bizarre segment of the RWBY fanbase that really likes portraying Jaune as some kind of ultra-Chadly chick magnet, which is not accurate to his canon portrayal despite him being the writing team's clear favorite. Like, sweetie, Dragonslayer is not a ship where Jaune is the dominant alpha male partner. That boy gets pegged. Yang pounds his prostate. She wears the pants in that relationship. He does not decide what to eat for breakfast in the morning without asking her and he is happy to have things that way.

(I'm exaggerating a bit for comedic effect but Yang would run roughshod over Jaune and no argument on Earth can convince me otherwise)

As for TexLapp, a lot of people don't bother really looking at the characters as individuals instead of treating them as "uwu cute violence lesbians who have fantastic bloody hatesex" and thus don't bother to engage with their trauma or any of their personality traits that don't lend themselves to stabbing each other with swords or stabbing each other with penises real or artificial (in fairness, Arknights dropped hints about their dynamic and then took ages to develop it, so like... hard to blame people for filling in the blanks). Also, I am sick and fucking tired of people acting like Lappland is a perpetual lunatic who acts unhinged at all times and can't be trusted to navigate any interaction that doesn't involve violence when that's literally not true and the proof is found directly in her files, a resource that has been available since launch.

(I, on the other hand, understand both these characters perfectly, a state of enlightenment that led to me unleashing a thesis about Lappland having a breeding kink and wanting a polycule upon a few of my unsuspecting mutuals. It's hard being as smart as I am sometimes.)

I'll close this out with a couple ships I don't like: almost every piece of NearlPlat and BlemiPlat content I've seen fundamentally misunderstands or willfully misinterprets their dynamic and characterization as it exists in canon in favor of shaving off anything that could possibly get in the way of "kyaaaa enemies to lovers so kyuuuteeeee uwu!!!" and I fucking hate it so much. It takes ships I already despise and strips them of anything that could be remotely unique or compelling. This shit is the McDonalds of Arknights ships: boring as hell, tastes like cardboard, and does nothing to differentiate itself from its competitors in a positive manner

Meanwhile for Bumbleby the fucking writers don't understand the ship dynamic or the characters involved, so I can't even get annoyed when the fanbase doesn't either

[vaonri]

its sooo cool that bumbleby is canon and theres nothing anyone can do abt it. like look at my bees go . if you hate it die mad abt it i guess lol