#anti bb

[kitkatopinions]

One of the things that many anti-rwde posters get really worked up about is the complaint that bumblebee is rushed, but at least for my part, I feel like there's a misunderstanding on what the real problem is.

They always say "how can people say that the ship is rushed when there were signs early on?" And I think the real problem isn't that there weren't signs. Tbh I personally don't read Blake as romantically interested in Yang during the first few seasons, her treatment of Yang isn't actually that different from her treatment of her other teammates and whatever closeness they accomplish is usually initiated by Yang, but it's easy to read Yang as having a crush on Blake. It's easy to read a lot of characters as having a crush on other characters, like it's easy to think that Ruby had a crush on Weiss, Blake, Penny, and Emerald during different times in the first three seasons, and like it's easy to think that Yang and Weiss were romantically interested in each other specifically in season five. I wouldn't think any of those ships 'came out of nowhere' or 'didn't have any juice' or so on. My main point here is that Blake and Yang weren't a forgone conclusion, but yes, despite the fact that nothing was clear solid proof of romantic interest OR clear solid proof of early writer intention to actually make them canon, there were hints that Blake and Yang could potentially turn into a real ship and it eventually did when the writers got around to it under criticism of queerbaiting and while running out of money.

When I say that I think the ship was rushed, I don't mean that there was never an indication that Blake and Yang might be romantic before they got together or even before their first big significant 'shipping moment' at the end of V6. When I say that I think the ship was rushed, I mean that the writers bypassed growth and working through conflict that I think was necessary for Blake and Yang's dynamic. When I say that I think the ship was rushed, I mean that they invented conflicts just to throw them out one after another without ever addressing it on screen. I mean that there are things very important specifically to the character of Blake like her time in the White Fang, her family, Ilia, and Adam that Yang hasn't talked to her about on screen (except Adam but it was not in any detail.) This isn't even bringing up the fact that they were forced into confessing their feelings for each other and when that happened, Yang didn't say anything about Blake that was true past her being a Faunus. Which makes it seem like the writers don't care to put in effort with the ship but that's just my opinion.

The ship between Blake and Yang wasn't rushed because 'there were never any signs' that it might happen, it was rushed because the writers didn't actually put in the work to deal with the conflicts they themselves wrote for the ship and just bypassed them instead. It was rushed because they went from 'Blake has spent seemingly a year apart from her team while Yang was angry at her the whole time and now the two are awkward with each other' straight to 'they barely leave each other's side, Yang gets angry at the thought of even doing a mission apart, they're in love, they caress each other's faces' without the writers really addressing that quick change.

It's got nothing to do with whether or not I think Yang's 'save me a dance' could be an indicator of real romantic feelings that would get developed later. The writers just fumbled the bag on execution, per the norm.

[chaoslordjoe]

Here's an Uno reverse card mental exercise for Wasps. Send yourself back to Volume 3 in the leadup to the Battle of Beacon. What would have happened after Yang accidentally broke Mercury's leg? During Blake's line, "but you're not like him", and back when she was more clear about criticizing Yang's brutality, was this any indication of her developing feelings for Yang? And after Beacon was destroyed, was there any indication that Sun intentionally was trying to stalk Blake? Say it with me now…

NO!

The answer to both of these questions is a big fat resounding 'no'. The reason Blake is less critical of Yang is because of, even if they're unintentional, they have clear and present allusions to the common argument that Bees is Tauradonna 2.0 due to how post-Beacon saga Yang is a control freak and barely interacts with her own goddamn sister. And even if Sun had intended to stalk Blake on her way to Menagerie, there was no indication he meant to follow her maliciously, even if it was setup that way since apparently a new outfit for Sun, something less flashy is too much for RT's fucken little brains to comprehend, let alone hire a new concept artist for.

And even if Yang wasn't a control freak, she still would have made a shitty girlfriend due to her own commitment problems which have been a big factor from the mission to defeat Salem.

[dragynkeep]

For those curious about where Yang asks Blake this question. It’s in Yang’s official manga anthology. (Also almost every interaction Yang has with Blake in this manga is her treating Blake like an actual cat.)

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Love it when my boyfriend asks me if I greet other Jews with a bag of gold coins :)))

[lunatriense]

I think my problem with a portion of bees content is how a lot of it is mainly centred around Yang

It’s always stuff like “Yang brought out the best out of Blake” “Yang sacrificed herself for Blake!” “Yang is the energetic butch and Blake is the submissive femme”, not to mention bees art sometimes has Blake built like a pencil and constantly has her making “cute catgirl faces” and Yang is really tall and is constantly making angry faces

It does just show how okay this fandom is with white saviourism (and catgirl fetishism bc yikes!)

Can people pls just Google what a butch is for the love of god!

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting. They've totally changed who both Yang and Blake are for the sake of the ship, and both have suffered for it. Yang is femme, she always was. Blake is def not submissive, her whole deal was being a firebrand fighting injustice! But that's all gone now, and yeah, they really focus on Yang somehow saving Blake. And often faunus in general, nevermind that she's openly displayed her racism.

[divinecomedyproductions]

RWBY Saints of Remnant Notes: Adam Taurus, Surrogate Brother, Liberator, and former slave worker

WARNING: This post contains is a radically reimagined Adam Taurus in a positive light in a heavily reimagined RWBY AU and has cliche and a ship that may turn you off due to Canon, if Canon Adam has given you a permanent bad taste in your mouth, I understand, this is an AU, just please do not come in with bad faith and ignore me instead.

Said AU is connected to The Emperor-Verse

Now following my altered Jack Schnee is Adam Taurus

Now given the whole grievances the RWDE tag as made about him, and looking back on him myself, I'd had figured there were two options for him, at least in my opinion

Either make him anti-villain or initial antagonist turned ally, which I have chosen for the latter. Either way, I threw out him being Blake's ex because I honestly thought it was kinda dumb and melodramatic.

Though FRWBY as I heard has done a good job tweaking that to make it work as well as Adam as a villain.

But I chose to go for something else, Adam being something of a surrogate older brother for Blake instead.

For this specific backstory, Adam is from Mistral, from a small village led by his father, a respectable Huntsman.

Now I'm trying to figure it out but with my Altered SDC and Jacques post, Arthur Gray(Watts) megacorporation GigaWatts Incorporated has outsorced work, and much like the SDC in Canon!RWBY Adam's family worked at one of their factories in the East under poor working conditions which claimed the life of his parents.

Adam much like his Canon counterpart, also worked pretty much as a slave, and his eye injury I chasing between either branding or a factory accident.

Now this draws on Fritz Lang's Metropolis which I feel like doesn't get enough love, and I will use this clip along with Metropolis when I get to post about the not-so-good doctor, his mega-corporation, and the current state of Atlas later.

But basically, Adam was emotionally drained at that point. A zombie of a young man who felt hopeless.

One day in his younger days The White Fang's Eastern Branch attacks the factories. And the one leading the charge was the current White Fang leader, a spider Faunus by the name of Rina Kumokage(first name a placeholder) and her second-in-command Sienna Kahn. Seeing them in action reinvigorated and inspired him and joined them instantly when the two offered a hand.

However, this wouldn't be the liberation that he thought it was, at least not entirely.

Rina's leadership was questionable over in the East while the other branches of the other three corners were busy, Rina seemed to be driven more by politics than the morals of common decency, and had abusive tendencies towards Adam and later on Blake whom she also took under her personal tutelage due to knowing her late father Kuroto(aka Ghira) who was a high ranking member of the White Fang.

But it wasn't all bad, for while Kumokage was a cruel teacher, Kahn on the other hand was the closest thing he had for a mother after losing his parents, and she herself was often downplayed by the current WF leader.

Soon Adam began to realize Rina saw the White Fang as a means for political power, a demagogue exploiting a legitimate cause for mercenary motives. But he wished for no outside help, for reasons I am trying to figure out, but partially the same reasons for Blake of being introverted, not to hurt those close to him.

Now for his allusion, there's always been the argument he was the beast and Blake was the Beauty

But after remembering an analysis post I can't remember where on Tumblr I figured

What if Blake and Adam were both the Beast? like a collective allusion? Which is based on my RWBY collective allusions theory but that's another post for another day.

Adam's individual allusion however is not the Bull Demon King, but Red Boy, with his late parents being The Bull Demon King(his Father) and Princess Iron Fan(his mother), both of their lessons sticking to him. So unlike his canon counterpart while his sanity may had been bent, it wasn't broken.

Now Sun in this AU is the 'Beauty' to Blake's 'Beast' and as for Adam, the ‘Beauty’ to his ‘Beast’ is and hear me out here...

Yang Xiao Long

now I know what you all are thinking...

But here's the idea

Adam as a good guy I would imagine being this grumpy kinda no-nonsense dude and something of a ham(he writes poems in his downtime) and I feel like that would compliment Yang's 'flirty party girl' personality and would play off Black Sun too

Two ships that are similar, yet different, and I just don't mean in a gender bent way.

But not only that, Yang’s role is also to mend the strained brother-sister relationship of Blake and Adam. Adam isn’t obsessed with Blake but was kinda like “Blake, what the hell?” When she left. He’s kinda pissed, but not a flat-out murderous lunatic.

And Yang being an older sibling herself can relate to Adam and talk it out with him, notably all the good things Blake has told Yang about him.

And then of course Yang does try to resort to some spicy flirting, but Adam being taught about earning the blessings of the parents and abstinence, doesn’t reciprocate the same way.

Spoiler alert, Adam is flustered by Yang’s midriff but also know it’s not good for practical purposes in her line of work. Yang notices and tries to tease him further, only for him to tickle her mercilessly to make his point, leading her to make a wardrobe upgrade for “V2”

And I’d be lying if my this was not somewhat influenced by my Catholic faith about modesty and no sex outside of marriage, but I’d think it be kinda cute and funny to ship Yang who’s flirtatious and likes to flaunt it with a very honorable and kinda traditional dude. Expect lots of disappointed pouts from Yang.

Now his altered personality I was inspired by 2 sources

Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender

But also Grimlock in Transformers: Fall of Cyberton which the game is also an influence for my reimagined Arthur Watts

For those not in the know-how, Fall of Cybertron due to it success had become the reboot basis for all G1-esque Transformers stories onward.

In it, Grimlock is the commander of the team and had been captured by Shockwave, who is a scientist, to be painfully experimented on which would turn them into Dinobots. Grimlock, driven by furious vengeance free's his comrades and seeks to destroy Shockwave.

Now Grimlock is still a good guy and believes defending the weak and migh-for-right, but he's bad tempered, stubborn, and headstrong really doesn't see eye-to-eye with Optimus Prime, seeing him as a weak leader and barely accepting him as leader due to the Matrix.

So it's kind of the same principle with Adam, with Watts being the 'Shockwave' to his 'Grimlock', though to be specific, Adam has a vendetta against the one running the factory he and his family worked at. Will get to him in the future.

So yeah, that's my Adam so far.

[the-path-to-redemption]

Or maybe you're the one ignoring Yang's "feminine" aspects, just because you're pissed she isn't nothing but Fun Party Girl and because you fucking hate that she's Blake's girlfriend. And cute of you to call Blake an abuser when your avatar is a guy who stalked her and refused to leave her alone.

Not even gonna pretend you got a brain anymore with this shit take.

Sun isn't a stalker, Adam is. Get that shit corrected before you speak, honey, you look like an idiot.

And I wasn't pissed that Yang ain't a party girl, you illiterate dumbass, I'm pissed that RT doesn't let her be a girl period. She's literally "the man" of the fucked up relationship she got with miss "All Lives Matters" there, and nothing about her is feminine at all.

Oh yeah, so feminine, so caring, so Yang that I totally missed something. Sorry, I was distracted by the fact that she let her sister die and saw her little sister as a threat to her little arm candy.

And Blake is an abuser. Your precious Arr*n Z*ch even admits that she's an abuser. The stupid fucking cat laid her hands multiple times on Sun, verbally berates him after he almost died, and treated someone who gave a shit about her like trash the entire time. She's abusive, get over it.

And while you're at it, go back to preschool and learn how to read, bitch nugget. Get off of anon and say what you wanna say to my face after if you finally grow some damn cojones.

[asura22zoro]

it doesnt matter that sun wasnt a main character and some things I have to say in regards to bb and blacksun

I am going to reiterate what I said before bb reeks of direction chane they gave blacksun years of teasing mutual attraction adn development pointing to blacksun being endgame while bb got nothing and then immediately threw out blacksun for bb once sun left.

I do not buy the claim that bb was planned from the start for the writing doesnt support that ( they gave blacksun so much that at that point even if they are telling the truth ( I dont believe they are but)

they were never obligated to make bb canon

and a main character doesnt always end up with a main character

look at naruto who ended up with hinata

saying there will be same sex ships doesnt mean a member of the main cast has to be lgbt or in a same sex ship.

( there is no doubt that if bb didnt become canon and instead blacksun rosegarden and white knight became canon they would get accused of queerbaiting

"people bitched about lgbt characters in rwby to the point of personal attacks against the creators and the more they tried giving they got more demanding

people of rwde/rwby haters dont argue in good faith

promising lgbt characters isnt promising people the main characters will be lgbt

and queerbaiting has been abused to my same sex ship wasnt made canon.

[redsanji]

citing the genders involved of a ship has always been a bad argument same sex ships shouldnt be defended just because they are same sex ships

saying but korrasami is the only same sex ship in lok or the first one is not a valid argument for korrasami.

korrasami is a bad product thrown in at the last minute at the cost of breaking the narrative forcing two people who were barely friends and barely interacted together.

(there was plenty of time they could have shown being close in b4 but that didnt happen ( i am not talking about a kiss) and while mako supported korra and talked about korra as a person asami failed in helping her

in the last two minutes korra was ooc

there have been too many times where a show gets defended because the decision they made was " progressive" where a ship gets defended because its same sex and they cite the genders involved.

Its funny how many times I see it either with bb or with korrasami where they claim if you dont ship it you are homophobic that you dont care about the lgbt community if you dont support korrasami " the only same sex ship in lok/first same sex ship in animated show involving an mc.

when they are the ones who try to cite the genders involved when ever they try to talk about korrasami/bb or defend it from criticism and try to attack the person attacking it by claiming homophobia.

especially with bb since if anything they are the ones who attacked blacksun for being a m/f ship and calling it forced due to being het

( I have seen them go but there are tons of feasible f/f ships and yet they are teasing the main girl with a guy when I am sorry but it doesnt matter if there are feasable same sex ships the writers arent obligated to make that happen.

and that just points to the idea that their only issue with blacksun was sun being a guy since they had to cite the genders involved.

that was the first thing they cited

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and in bb's case they repeatedly made accusations of homophobia if you didnt see evidence for bb or acted like if you shipped blacksun instead of bb it was just because sun was a guy .

(its funny they shipped bb when the trailers first came out while blacksun only began due to their observed interactions in v1 which hinted at romance ( suns introduction was a lowmotion

Sun’s wink is accompanied by a slow-mo pan of his expression, followed by the camera focusing on Blake’s slack-jawed attention, along with a literal choir singing in the background while she stares at him. This is his introduction— to Blake, but more importantly, to the audience. This is the first moment we properly meet him, and it’s through this very particular gaze.

and we see sun actually helping blake ( while yang didnt interact with blake until v2.)

seriously do you not understand ship wars are a thing in every fndm

them jumping on the homophobia accusations seem to be them convincing themselves that the only reason someone could oppose that same sex ship was not liking gay people.

They think that because there arent that many same sex ships anyone who is okay with lgbt rep would support any same sex ship being canon or that its immune from being forced

someone can be gay and still support makorra over bb

no ship deserves automatic support just because of the genders/identities involved

nor does the genders involved mean you shouldnt oppose the ship

in a ship war between a m/f ship and a f/f ship saying the m/f shiip should have happened/had actual evidence not the f/f ship ( saying its a forced last minute retcon etc)

isnt homophobia or not caring about the lgbt community the point is about the writing

it doesnt matter that getting rid of k/a means there arent any canon same sex ships in lok

supporting a ship between two white people over a ship between a black man and a white woman isnt automatically racism it means you feel the other ship makes sense

jumping on the racism accusation is just a cheap tactic

I feel like when it comes to ship wars where there is a difference in identity between the two ships

like one ship being a same sex ship and the other being. A het ship

they either genuinely convinced themselves that anyone who would support a ship which happens to be m/f over a ship that happens to be f/f and say the f/f ship has no actual evidence etc

can only be doing it because of homophobia rather then because they don’t see any actual evidence and like the ship more.

or the accusations of homophobia are just a cudgel /shield for their ship where they try to protect itself from criticism and attack critics.

(In a situation where they threw in a ship in the last minute retconning stuff etc and this ship happens to be f/f it doesn’t matter if it’s the only same sex ship that isn’t a reasoning to support it there doesn’t need to be a canon same sex ship what the story needs is good writing. A ship shouldn’t be defended for meeting a criteria

and they try to make the you would ship it if it was a m/f ship but that’s often baseless accusations while there is evidence they would have supported the m/f ship of it was f/f given the times they complain about the genders involved

Or one ship

[captaindarksword]

[shadowfiredemonwolf]

on black sun and bb

its pretty clear to me that if everything about the ships remained the same but blake turned was a guy or  sun and yangs genders were swapped  a good amount of the people who shipped bb would be shipping blacksun  instead

for one of the main reasons they shipped bb is the lgbt rep angle ( which is a bad reasoning it doesnt matter if there are tons of shows where het ships become canon or if there arent that much lgbt representation  )

and to be frank all the times I see people claim anti bb people are homophobic or would have seen evidence if it was a het ship or going there are tons of shows where het ships become canon or there are other het ships in rwby implying we are mad about bb because its a same sex ship when its not  and it  comes off as projection

given how many times I have seen them try to use the fact bb is a same sex ship as a shield or specifying the genders involved when making the complaint 

going there are tons of feasible same sex ships but they didnt go that route ( just because a same sex ship is feasible to happen ( as in they didnt hint at it being romantic but they could have chosen to gone that route ) doesnt mean they need to do it just like with het ships just because its feasible to imagine going down that route doesnt mean they need to do it instead of a same sex ship) ( as said before as in they didnt hint at the ship romantically but you could imagine them feasibly going down that route  instead they chose to go down the route of the opposite ship)

“This though? Fuck this whole part. Many LGBTQ+ (wlw included) have been and are very vocal about their dislike and criticisms of Bumbleby, and neither you nor anyone else are in any place to assume that it’s mostly just straight dudes who are upset over Bumbleby.“

I think my initial disdain for the way Sun and Neptune are written came from how sick and tired I am of straight ships being forced on the audience when lots of us are in the lgbta community. Part of it was because my gay ships were sinking I’ll admit but honestly I’m just sick of forced straight ships especially in one of the only shows with enough well written female characters to /actually/ have believable gay ships. I don’t think I hate Sun and Neptune but I do hate how forced the ships are.

I think this is all the explanation needed(and all you need to dismiss people trying to take moral superiority over liking Bumblebee). Something the toxic side of the fandom loves to do is project and project hard. They cannot understand why someone would not think like them or like the things they do unless there's something wrong with them or they contextualize it through what they themselves would do.And that's one of them accidentally explaining how that relates to Bumblebee: wasps like it because it's a gay ship. They thought Black Sun was forced because it was not a gay ship. Therefore, since everyone must either think like them or be defective, clearly you think Bumblebee is forced because it's not a straight ship. You don't like it because it's gay.“

basically they are just calling blacksun forced because it was a straight ship if sun was a girl they wouldnt make that claim so I cant take anytime I hear someone try to pull the you would ship bb if it was a m/f pairing  or wouldnt be calling it forced if it was a m/f pairing for if sun was a woman and yang a man they wouldnt be shipping bb and would call bb forced

if whether you ship  a ship or not  is determined by genders involved  like say if two ships were paired against the other and what causes you to ship one over the other  the pairing  is genders involved  it is a shallow reason   representation isnt more important then good writing

basically you shouldnt ship a het ship over a same sex ship because its het  and you should not ship a same sex ship over a het one because its samesex 

I would still ship blacksun even if yang and suns genders had been swapped at the start

it doesnt matter that male yang x blake was feasible/believable  they gave femsun x blake teasing mutual attraction etc and the buildup given would have made me ship blacksun from the start just like male sun x blake and then proceeded to give it the v4-5 development

it doesnt matter that bb at the start would have been believable ship  since they didnt go that route they instead teased blacksun m/f route  if your basis for hating blacksun/sun is that there was a believable same sex ship that they could have went with ( believable as in there wasnt teasing but they could have chosen to do that) you are projecting when you claim people oppose bb because its a w/w ship

with blacksun it was given years of teasing mutual attraction and development since v1 to v6 goodbye scene which came off as romantic in how it was shownw

 while bb arguably began to be teased in v7 v6 finale at best though nothing was inherently romantic moment

(people who try to make the claim it was built or teased from the start are wearing shipping goggles to see the most minor moment as romantic because they want it to be true and ignoring framing and context like the v3 finale ignoring that adam said he would destroy everything blake loved which includes friends and family to try and claim it declared blake loved yang romantically when it didnt .

or act like blakes reaction to it had any romantic connotations

there was nothing for sun to see in that scene where blake held yangs hand  while feeling guilty that would cause him to think romance

“The way that this scene was framed means nothing. If you wanna talk about what “makes no sense”, it makes no sense for this one bit of handholding to signal to Sun that Blake had romantic feelings for Yang. Especially since he hasn’t been present for any other moments that could have potentially hinted to him that Blake had feelings for Yang. The very most he can learn from this is that Blake is worried for Yang, that she cares about her, that she’s sorry for what happened to her.“

also burning the candle isnt romantic  yang reached out and helped blake  they danced for a bit which we hardly saw and then yang gave blake to sun to dance with when yang didnt have any issue with that ) and ( blake chose to dance with sun she could have chosen not to 

there was nothing flirty there  ( yang winking at blake which she has done to other characters before even a wf grunt )  I have seen people try to use a renora or blacksun moment to argue we have to see the blake and yang moment as romantic because we saw the renora /blacksun moment as romantic ignoring the differences between them

with blacksun it was suns introduction moment

eight-of-pentacles . tumblr . com/post/651259837931569152/why-do-you-say-yang-winking-at-blake-in-burning

Because it’s about framing and context.

Sun’s wink is accompanied by a slow-mo pan of his expression, followed by the camera focusing on Blake’s slack-jawed attention, along with a literal choir singing in the background while she stares at him. This is his introduction— to Blake, but more importantly, to the audience. This is the first moment we properly meet him, and it’s through this very particular gaze.

Yang’s wink is precipitated by her trying to convince Blake to come to the dance for her own mental and physical well-being. There’s no attention given to any other motivation on Yang’s part during the exchange, or what Blake’s reaction was following.

One of these has clear romantic intent. The other does not. If I were to present these two scenes to a random bystander and remove the names from the samples, and if I asked them to tell me which scene they thought was meant to be a romantic one, my guess is that they would go with the Sun and Blake scene. Because again, it’s about the framing of the scene, and the context of the situation the characters are in.

I say that Yang’s wink is dubious evidence at best, because I acknowledge that it can technically be read as romantic— but a.) it’s extremely covert, and only noticeable if you’re looking at it to find romantic evidence in the first place, and b.) I’m highly doubtful that was the writers’ intent in the first place.

while with renora it was a plane moment where the way renora acted and bb acted with each other was different   not to mention the framing

renora was a private scene with the song about noras feelings playing nora did the lay head on shoulders scene  and moved to get closer. 

with blake and yang it was just part of a rwby moment and yang held blakes hand to comfort her reciprocating what blake did when yangs hand shook

(not to mention renora was teased since v1 ) 

[kitkatopinions]

You're the fucker who spends all your time insisting queer rep doesn't count if a bunch of straight men are offended by it. Go fuck yourself, asshole.

No, see, what's actually happened was that I pointed out the fact that there is no queer confirmed main character in RWBY currently, which is true since currently Blake and Yang are only coded as queer and not canon confirmed. I'm not 'insisting that queer rep doesn't count if a bunch of straight men are offended by it,' I'm simply pointing out that Blake and Yang do not yet count as officially canon confirmed queer characters and are coded instead, just like Merlin and Arthur and tons of other stuff that people can feel super attached to and relate to and love, but has not been canonized.

And you see, this is what's really the problem. I asked you to explain why you said the things you did about me and the only response to any of the questions I posed - such as 'why are you giving Miles Luna the benefit of the doubt but not me' and 'how am I as a queer person meant to go about asking for more and better queer rep and criticizing a bigoted company without you thinking I secretly hate women and queer people' - and the only thing you can think to say is to say that I'm doing something that I'm not. I have several times defended Blake and Yang as a valid ship (albeit one I don't personally like,) and have made it clear I don't have a problem with people who ship them, but because I dare to point it out that the RWBY writers have gone ten years without doing more than coding with its main characters and said 'I as a queer person want more and better' you have decided to spend your time this past day sending hate anons to a queer person. Do you... Like, do you get that?

Also just as a side note, it's always funny when I take like maybe an hour out of my whole week to make a post and then answer asks about it for maybe three more hours and people like you start screaming that I spend all my time doing this. Like... No, friend. Surprisingly, the small pocket of my life that you see is not the only thing I do, you just don't like thinking of me as a human person behind a screen. XD

[chaoslordjoe]

Do not let CRWBY deter you.

The current FNDM situation involving Volume 9 Episode 6 needs no introduction, by now, y'all know what happened and how pissed most everyone is in the following episode at recent character actions. Who can blame them?

But after scouring some RWBY-related forums and channels, I have to say that I'm almost not surprised by how disheartened everyone is rather than enraged. Well, there are folks who are angry, but what really shocks me is how everyone is more sad and disappointed rather than pissed off.

Anyway, with my point being made, let's cut straight into it: Don't let RWBY's latest controversy deter you from criticizing this show. And to any fanfic writers, fan-artists or general content creators who still write RWBY fanfiction, don't let the events of this episode or CRWBY's "planned from the start" mantra make you feel bad. 

That's exactly what they want to make themselves feel like they're being smart about this to flex on us, the beleaguered critics of this show.

Perhaps then, this isn't the right sub for this kind of rallying cry. But rather, the kind of post to motivate creators of fan content who have been burned out, and it seems like the Wasps and other toxic elements of the FNDM have won.

We should not let CRWBY win either. They got the last laugh in deciding the events to canonize a controversial ship, but we should resist their efforts to dominate the FNDM discussion as we have more power than them, we can still write our own fanfics, our own alternate universes, rewrites, whatever else.

Do not let CRWBY's idiocy deter you. They started this shipping war, and the only way to resist that is to let them know that you will ship whoever you please, however if fits within YOUR narrative. Not Rooster Teeth's. If you give in, then Miles, Kerry, Eddy and Kiersi wins.

Arryn Zech wins.

Barbara Dunkelman wins.

Where they've successfully demoralized you. You have more creativity than those braying jackasses ever will. Continue writing fanfiction. Continue drawing art. Do not let CRWBY deter you.

[dragynkeep]

Anyone else notice how Blake got super uncomfortable around Yang when she was getting ready to be violent at the auction? How can anyone look at that moment and still think Bumbleby is a happy and healthy ship? I don't care if people ship it just don't try to paint it as a healthy relationship when it's starting to mirror the cycle of a victim falling for the same kind of abusive person all over again.

No because I was going to answer this and then @itsclydebitches did their review of the second episode and brought it up.

And I am honestly not laughing at Blake's reactions to Yang throwing yet another temper tantrum and picking violence the first chance she gets. Why are we now putting the abuse victim who's abuser was someone who couldn't control his temper and chose violence, something she's very publically denounces, and then shoving her with another person who can't control her temper and choses violence first?

This isn't a funny haha scene, look at Blake trying to rein in her goofy girlfriend, this is a scene that just highlights one of the main issues with BB. They're going against Yang's previous development of learning to control her emotions and think things through, rather than just punching her way through every problem in front of her.

'Cause punching through everything was what lost Yang her arm.

The regression of these characters is so bad, and it's making this already shit ship even worse when you look past the shallow attempts of flirting and brushing fingers.

[lunatriense]

I think there should be a rule for social media polls (especially sapphic ship polls) going forward that anything RWBY is not allowed in the poll in case of drama and fighting, bc every time there is a poll floating around on social media that has something RWBY in it, it ends in RWBY stans harassing people for not enjoying their stupid show

Like that one time a poll runner on social media got harassed and blamed the entire Arcane/CaitVi community for harassing them, or the Griddlehark Vs Bees poll, or the Bubbleline Vs Bees poll, or the Korrasami Vs Bees poll or the Harlivy Vs Bees poll where wasps were being antisemitic af towards Harlivy, or that Bees/Adam fight Vs Kung Fu Panda fight scene poll that caused the blog running the poll to be deleted, or idk ANYTIME THE BEES ARE ON A POLL!

The bees especially deserved to be banned from sapphic ship polls after how much drama and harassment they stir on every one they’re in (they haven’t been as toxic in that recent top ao3 femslash poll so far, although that will most likely change depending on who they’re up against next if they unfortunately win)

That would be sensible, but then they'd probably harass the poll runners for not including them and get even more insufferable because "they knew bb would win if they put it on there" and such. Hopefully the impending doom of RT (and thus rwby) will put an end to that shit soon.

[rwbyazre]

Goldenfleece>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmblb

We love an ADHD history nerd and her nonbinary biker gf.

[the-path-to-redemption]

hiiii i'm here with my last anon message (❀´ ˘ `❀)

i don't think i'll finish RWBY for the time being... i'm halfway through volume 9 and my head is spinning ( ꩜ ᯅ ꩜;) this is just like An Oriental Odyssey, but from the USA!

both:

* have pretty solid writing for the first half and clear expectations, then goes crazy

* develop ok ship only to tear it apart

* main antagonist is bad because their lover died

* many plot twists without any foreshadowing/contradictory foreshadowing

* purest character dies twice and comes back from the dead

* starts as magical realism but SUDDENLY MAGIC!! WOWIES MAGIC DOES EXIST??

* love triangles

* canon ships are bad and the notion of love is twisted and abusive

* fans of the work treat you like an idiot because you don't understand the brilliance of the work

* no subtlety at all

* characters not growing and falling into the same pitfalls

i was halfway season 5 when i realized (˃̣̣̥ᯅ˂̣̣̥) i was cheated!! but i immediately thought, "well, the writers must be young too" then i checked and they were way older than me!! .·°՞(˃ ᗝ ˂)՞°·. double cheated!!

what can you expect from beginner writers... but the designs... _(:‚‹」∠)_

i guess Adam's death didn't shock me (i saw spoilers...) as much as how bad the pairings are!! when Renora started showing signs i had to take a break by reading two whole mangas before going back to it. i thought we finally had good girl/boy friendship!!（ꐦ𝅒_𝅒）what do you mean Ren raised her and they're both in love but Ren doesn't speak his feelings for some reason so Nora had to force a kiss on him?! everything was too creepy!! ‎

(ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ ┻━┻ didn't we have enough with Jaune and Pyrrha?! and suddenly Blake starts slapping Sun around... Bumbleby is ok but i thought this was a sapphic show!! where are my sapphics?! (╯'□')╯︵ ┻━┻

i could rant about many things but the general vibe i got was "ah, everything feels very creepy and cruel somehow" since season 4. i don't know how to explain it... i felt like i was seeing hell for the characters besides the actual problems (•﹏•;) it might be my trauma from An Oriental Odyssey but who knows...

either way this will be my last anon message ♪(๑ᴖ◡ᴖ๑)♪ i need a break from RWBY... i want to do fanarts, but i'm still too shocked (￣◇￣;) thank you for reading my messages and accompanying me through this odyssey journey!! ⸜(｡˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝♡₊˚⊹♡ if i come back, i'll definitely come back with a blog!! ദ്ദി ˉ͈̀꒳ˉ͈́ )✧ stay strong friend!! wishing you good health and lots of money and love!! (´▽`ʃ♡ƪ)

Hello again!! It's so nice to see you, anon! Please take your time if you're coming back with a blog, and take care!

Long Post Ahead

I have not seen An Oriental Odyssey, but I might actually check it out now just to see because I enjoy xianxia/wuxia lol. But from what you said, I will be keeping a low expectation for the series if it shares that much similarities with RWBY.

I will also say that I'm personally fine with darker topics being explored in fictional work; my only requirements are that they're portrayed with proper research and with content warnings so that I know what will be included in the narrative (Banana Fish and Scum Villain's Self Saving System are two of my favorite series, with both containing very dark topics). In the case of RWBY, dark topics such as abusive relationships and cruelty in dynamics were not only very sloppily written, the writers refuse to even acknowledge how bad it is along with the FNDM (eg. Blacksun and Renora).

There's a lack of accountability when it comes to how they portray such topics, and even expecting us to think of it as a good thing without even giving us a choice to decide that ourselves. The writers blamed their animation team for the slap when criticism of it arise, and continues to not take abuse very seriously outside of the caricature portrayal of such things with Adam.

And yes, the writers are old enough to know better. They've been writing this series for more than ten years, which should have given them enough time to grow as both creatives and people, but I've also learned that age does not always equal maturity. M*les himself has once said a racial slur against African Americans when he was 26, and called the character Tifa Lockhart from the FF7 Remake game a prostitute for the way she looks and dressed, even though everyone knows that she is the primary inspiration for Yang. With such a person on the writing team, let alone leading it, it's no wonder a lot of RWBY's morals feels extremely juvenile and lackluster.

The matter of age when it comes to creating things aren't always attached to age, it's about how dedicated the creators are to their projects, which RWBY has not been for quite a while now.

Moving onto the matters of ships and their dynamic, yes I was disappointed with Renora as well. Just a correction though, Ren didn't really raised Nora; it's more like they took care of each other when they lost their families, with Ren taking more responsibility for them while Nora supports him emotionally. However, the relationship starts to sour (for me at least) was when Nora lost her emotional maturity and intelligence to basically invalidates Ren's turmoils. Forcing him to talk when he's not having a good time, forcing a kiss on him, then proceed to blame Ren for the relationship falling apart even though he tried to be rational in a crisis. She became extremely nasty as a person that I don't want to see her near Ren anymore for his own well-being!

This isn't uncommon in RWBY... every relationship (romantic or otherwise) are very shallow and disappointing. It's even worse when it comes to LGBT+ romance, because RWBY did not start or continued as a sapphic-friendly show. Blacksun was baited for years, until the writers saw that Bumbleby brings them more traction despite having very little believable hints that these two would ever be in a relationship with each other, even if you don't look at the very problematic elements of it (again, I don't mind such ships, I just dislike how these two are heralded as "cute and good" when the foundation of their romance is so toxic and they're stripped of their other personality traits).

Sapphic ships in RWBY (or just LGBT+ representations in general) are either for marketing purposes or shoddy afterthoughts. The writers were never going to treat such representations seriously because they themselves do not treat real life LGBT+ individuals with respect. If you go into the research of how Rooster Teeth's queer employees are treated, you will find the account of Kdin Jenzen being abused, hate crimed for being trans and fired by the company without aid. You're better off watching The Owl House, or even any queer manga out there.

Thank you again for the ask and reading my ramblings haha. Whatever it is you do going forward, I hope you have fun and stay safe! If we do meet again, I look forward to seeing your art! It was fun, and I wish you an abundance of wealth and love as well! Bye bye, anon! <3