#anti-naruto ending

[chattegeorgiana]

Hello Chatte,

How have you been doing?

I have this thing that's been pestering me for a while now. A lot of NH defenders/shippers swear on their life that there are strong parallels between her and Kushina and it's a hill these people are willing to die on.

They love to cite examples from that god forsaken series called Boruto, where they have comical moments of Hinata being the ''scary mommy'' trope and a ''hot headed wife'' just like Kushina. This doesn't sit well with me and I just see it as SP being SP, nothing more, nothing less; and for the NH fan to be like ''ohh..... look...... there are so many parallels between MK and NH. NH was planned from the beginning. yay...... '' Those sorta BS (pardon me my French).

Also, I'd like to point out that I'm an anti ender not because of the pairing reasons but because of how the ending happened. All thanks to each and every character being nothing more than a pairing fodder, the show has left many debates as to what it's messages and themes are.

I really have zero reasons to like female characters like Sakura and Hinata but this, this is beyond character assassination and also an insult to the fan base, especially those who gave common sense and aren't blinded by pairing choice. For me how the characters are treated is way more important than shipping.

Also, when is your next YT video on Boruto being Oro's genjutsu gonna be released?

Thank for reading my somewhat lame and a long comment and I wish you the best with Kaika Saisei

Cheers!

Hi there,

Well, for the whole NH thing, the reason why they insist is because the sequel did a 180 and changed her characteristics, so ofc they are willing to die on that hill.

But we all know if we look at the actual content from the manga that she has nothing in common with Kushina nor Minato like they like to say. Kushina is loud and passionate. Where have you seen Hinata display those qualities? Whereas Minato is calm & calculated, something that she isn't once again. She's quiet & shy but that doesn't equate the calmness Minato displays. Not to mention we've seen even in this one shot that Kishi wrote that Minato can also get super passionate from time to time, whereas Hinata has never displayed that feat.

All in all for this whole thing to work they had to turn her into Sakura. It's clear as daylight to anyone who isn't a NH. Even a neutral. So why consume your energy with what they're saying? It's not like it's true. The evidence to support that is those 15 years of serialization prior to the ending that holds all the weight.

We all know TL & the other products at the end were made so that they can retcon the pre-established narrative.

The show ending the way it did basically destroyed everything Naruto once as a story stood for. Sad, but true.

I always said I wouldn't have had any issue with the choice of pairings if done correctly. After all, I used to be a multishipper once. I saw the potential that all had in the beginning. It's just that when part 2 launched, the story was clear of its direction - of course, until they decided to retcon again and to hell with everything.

And sadly, the girls got the short end of the stick. Both Hinata & Sakura, if we're being true to ourselves. But these people are ready to die on a hill just because they're so attached to their opinions rather than seeing the story for what it is - a great emotional impact story, but with a lot of issues underneath it if you put aside the emotional impact.

It's the reason why it pulls so many people into it. Because it's filled with emotional manipulation, in a way. Look at the way the franchise also directs its marketing campaigns for other materials/products. They scan the internet, see what the talk is in the fandom & then bam, there they are with their products that just so happen to have the thematic of whatever talk is in the fandom - like when they are some sort of servants because at some point NH & SS were arguing about who's richer and who's the servant and who's the patron and all kind of BS like that.

Or when we in the NaruSaku fandom had an extensive talk about tarot and the symbolism that surrounds NS and 6 months later bam, there they are with products with tarot themes.

Or that game they have and I saw two of the concepts I had for Sakura combined into a third one.

They basically combined these two artwork concepts into the third one that is their image from the game.

So what can I say? As you can see, Pierrot be doing whatever it is to get their way, lol.

If you think about the girls - when they thought Hinata was more profitable, they pushed her in everybody's face so much so that it affected the story's ending.

Now that Sakura's more profitable, they discarded Hinata like a used toy and she barely makes any appearances outside her mom-like persona.

This only shows anyone with a little critical thinking that SP has no respect for any characters nor the story. It's just about the $$$ and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

But meh, anyway, at this point is more than funny lol. It's just Pierrot being Pierrot tbh... Nothing good can be expected of that studio.

As for my next video, I'm planning on getting back to work on these somewhere in March.

Last year I've been caught up with a major life event so it really hindered my capacity to take care of everything that I wanted to do, but as I said, I'm planning on getting back to these.

It's just that I'll need to edit some things since I initially envisioned it in a certain way and there are certain changes that happened in the meantime, that kind of rendered some of the things I worked on obsolete, so I'm trying to adjust to that. But yeah, as soon as I have everything up and running again, I'll definitely start working on it.

And aah dear, don't worry, your question was not lame! Thank you for dropping into my inbox and for your wishes regarding Kaika!

[uzumaki-sayuri]

"SaKuRa DeSeRvEd BeTtEr"

After she harassed and guilty tripped Sasuke since FOREVER despite him telling her clearly more than once that nor he loves her nor he has a reason to, because that's true seen how ugly she has behaved towards him.

Look I'm a fan of Sakura and also NaruSaku, I also love Naruto and Sasuke as individuals, but let's keep her accountable for the bad things she too has done.

Sasuke doesn't love her. And him staying away from someone who has EXHAUSTED him into a one-sided relationship is fair and also a consequence of Sakura's action, simple as that.

Sorry anon but I gotta disagree. Sakura has her problems but she's still one of the most morally virtuous characters in the manga. Having Sasuke- a boy grieving over his lost family- actually abandon his wife/child in adulthood is exceptionally tragic. Don't know how long you've been following me but I've made more than a couple vent posts about the way Kishi writes women specifically, and the outrageously sexist ending he wrote for them. My lil' flowers deserved way better T.T

[narutobyari]

ss is shit

I tell you, most neglect|cheating fics from anti-croud were way more merciful and respectful to SS than all this

Kill me now. They did it. They really did it! They REALLY went ahead and honestly admitted that SS is shit and their marriage didn’t work out (even IF it ever existed)! I am genuinely shocked right now. My head spins and my hands are trembling.

Who is this? What is this? Is this broken sad and void woman the girl I cheered for for 10 years of my life? Is this the one girl who once held promise to become the greatest kunoichi of Konoha? Also, good job, she is an apron again, doing housework again.

Seriously? It wasn’t enough that she was portrayed as a sad wreck of a woman in a broken marriage a moment ago? It wasn’t enough that she couldn’t handle righteous questions from her child, snapped and threatened her? Now they have to say that she is also dirt poor and can’t handle a situation she herself caused? Can’t handle to a point where she just falls flat in front of her child, whose house she blew up?

………….. I know, I know. I should be ready for such things already. Sakura is a sad woman in a dysfunctional family, a sore excuse for a ninja, a failure in life, an emotional wreck, a poor housewife, a complete ambition-less shadow of her former self. OMG, one can handle even a bad life scenario in a more dignified way. This is a disaster.

……….And now this child is not even hers by the looks of it. Yes, this is the end. In my wildest dreams I didn’t ask for this atrocity.

I have such mixed emotions right now. On one hand, I am utterly disgusted and saddened by this senseless Konoha, by Naruto who doesn’t smile, by these purposeless adults with no spark in their eyes. Most of all I am obviously destroyed by this image of a complete failure Sakura. They stooped so low with her. They took all her potential and all her dignity and threw it away for the sake of drama. There is NOTHING left to respect in Sakura.

On the other hand, I obviously want to sing in extasy, because BLOODY HELL SS burnes! It burns to the ground! There are only ashes in the air. The scorched smell intoxicates me. I swear to you, the most hardcore anti-fics with cheating and neglect were much more merciful to SS.

[watermelonsloth]

I think the reason why Naruto fans get so passionate and upset about the series is because of how real it can be. Naruto isn’t about paragon heroes outdoing dastardly villains. It’s about human beings fighting tooth and nail to survive in a world surrounded by death. It’s about broken systems made and perpetuated by broken people.

The Hyuga clan isn’t just antagonistic or pretentious, they practice slavery.

The Uchiha clan weren’t just killed by some raging psychopath, they were systematically massacred.

Itachi isn’t just cruel to Sasuke because he’s a bad brother, he’s cruel because he’d been told time and time again that you can only survive by being cruel and he wants nothing more than for Sasuke to survive.

Nagato isn’t trying to take over the world just for the sake of power, he’s trying to take over the world because it beat him down to the point of believing that the only chance at peace there is is the world being forced into compliance through fear.

Iruka isn’t hard on Naruto just because he’s a strict teacher, he’s hard on Naruto because he knows from experience how unforgiving the world is towards orphans.

Kakashi isn’t just some silly and slightly lazy teacher, he’s a contract killer still grieving his loved ones and struggling to do better without knowing how he’s supposed to.

Sakura isn’t just a fangirl, she’s a normal girl in a very dangerous and abnormal world constantly being made to choose between what she’s supposed to do and what she feels.

Sasuke isn’t just some edgelord, he’s a survivor who lost everything then gets repeatedly told that he has to choose between keeping what he’s gained and doing better than his brother.

Naruto isn’t just trying to be the best Hokage there ever was, he’s trying to prove his worth to a society that abandoned him just for existing and, in a way, confirm his worth to himself.

The Naruto story is about humans trying to force themselves into the role of weapons because that’s what they were told they had to be. It’s a story where everyone is a perpetrator but no one is trying to do wrong. It’s a story where everyone is a victim but no one is a perfect victim.

The world and the characters aren’t simple and trying to simplify them only takes away from them. So of course we get passionate about showing off all the reasons why they shouldn’t be simplified and all of the ways they’re complicated. Of course we get upset when we see others simplifying them or selling certain aspects of their characters short. Of course we get upset when the series itself simplifies them. Of course we get upset when the series chooses to abandon them. Because it not only feels like the characters are giving up, it feels like the series is betraying anyone who chose to get invested in its complexities.

[meowmada]

Nothing just this

[sasucaty]

i am not a sasuke uchiha apologist because he has nothing to apologise for.

[lavender-phoenix-flames]

"Sasuke and naruto are just friends"

The just friends in question:

Naruto:

Sasuke:

[madaras-tits]

Listen, I really love characters like Obito and Madara as they are, but can we please talk about how Kishimoto has been consistently incapable of writing a character that doesn't like the leaf village without instantly making them irredeemable or wrong in some way, shape or form?

It feels like Kishimoto is trying to make Konoha seem like the good guys, by making everyone who criticizes konoha an absolute nut case. This doesn't only apply to Obito and Madara, this also applies to characters like Pain and Sasuke. It's not like any of these character's criticisms of Konoha are invalid; it's more that people don't look at that stuff when it's followed by a myriad of war crimes, and I will not pretend like this wasn't intentional on Kishimoto's part.

(by the way, I think the reason why Kishimoto tries to defend konoha and the shinobi system so much towards the end of shippuden, is because Kishimoto set himself up for failure by writing a heroic protagonist that wants to become the leader of a village that is revealed to be more and more corrupt as the series goes on, but doesn't want to betray the original story line of naruto wanting to become the hokage and soforth starts backtracking to make naruto wanting to become hokage justifiable again) this is a story for a another post))

[the-real-sasuke-uchiha]

There are no good hokages. Not a single one. Hashirama enabled his racist brother knowingly, and let him perform his deranged jutsu experiments. Hiruzen was a fully aware accomplice of a genocide instigator and let him roam free with no punishment. Minato did nothing against the oppression of the Uchiha and made a nuke out of a baby. Tsunade turned her head away from Danzo's conspiracies, it was under her rule that Danzo aimed at Sasuke's life when he was doing nothing against Konoha. Kakashi and Naruto swept a genocide under the rug and had genocide instigators working for them.

There isn't a single good one. All of them are criminals. All of them are guilty.

[antisasukeretsudenantisasusaku]

Sakura would have never even noticed Sasuke if he wasn’t so hot.

Let’s be real: if Sasuke wasn’t so attractive, neither Sakura,nor Karin,nor Ino,nor any other female character would not chase after him.

[uzumaki-sayuri]

Nahhh girl, I really think Sakura has some mistakes upon her too and you guys should held her accountable for them regardless of her gender, if you really are a fan of hers.

Sasuke is in the wrong for abandoning his "wife" and child, but then Sakura shouldn't have harassed him to the world's end if she wanted him to at least hold some little respect for her.

Put this situation on reverse: the girl on Sasuke's place and the boy on Sakura's, you wouldn't say the shit you're saying right now.

She's someone selfish, egotistical and narcissistic who has no respect for other peoples' feelings (especially Sasuke's) and that's okay, not everyone is perfect.

Just like every other character in the serie, she has her share of faults too and it's fine to acknowledge them.

You think Sakura...a doctor...who created her own orphanage... has no respect for other peoples' feelings? Narcissistic? What manga did you read? Sorry anon but I'm still putting a lot of blame & shame on Sasuke here. Nothing to do with me being sexist. Even if you think Sakura deserves to be abandoned Sarada doesn't.

<3 Peace and Love

[saschuv]

Thinking about how sad the end to Sasuke’s story is and how his grief and anger is minimised.

Rewatching parts of Naruto and seeing Naruto declaring to sasuke to put all of his hatred onto him and that he’s the only one that can take it is actually so strange. Don’t get me wrong this isn’t hate for his character (okay maybe mild hate because he does do a lot wrong, but so do most Naruto characters and I’m not here to get into that rn). It’s just I find it kind of off… (I know people use this moment as a great sns scene and I have no hate against that ship! This is nothing to do with sns) Sasuke’s grief for his clan and deep seated anger at the village and world is beyond valid. Naruto’s declaration feels slightly entitled? I understand they were friends for a bit and went through a lot together during the short time they were a team and how sasuke is one of Naruto’s first proper connections so it’s all very important to him and so on. It’s just… this isn’t about him? He’s got nothing to do with this? I know it’s about trying to “help” sasuke who is self destructing to get revenge and justice. I’ve spoken before how this fandom compares characters’ traumas a lot and how that’s odd, including how Naruto doesn’t compare to sasuke - both had truly dreadful childhoods, I just think they’re two different traumas and whilst both lonely, are lonely in different ways and for different reasons. And also sasuke is so much more than just lonely. Naruto doesn’t understand Sasuke’s trauma and doesn’t understand his anger. The whole of team 7 disregarded his grief and trauma. At the end of the show Naruto fails to give the Uchiha any justice as hokage and sasuke is manipulated into believing he needs to “repent” and to protect the village. It’s such a sad story. I could say a lot more and this isn’t well articulated at all but anyways… if people disagree or have another interpretation I’d love to hear!

[liz-thinks-too-much]

Can't blame Naruto for looking like that in Boruto, if I had to pretend to be straight I'd also look like shit

[sklives]

So, I started reading an alternative history fanfiction where Sasuke saves Itachi and I'm just at the first chapter, but even so I loved how faithfully the taka team was represented in this first part because they would follow Sasuke without questioned him, without any judgment or hesitation...

Kishimoto just made them for Him and nothing cam change my mind, they are similar to him and so do Sasuke to them.

The everlasting love on Ao3

[nardo-headcanons]

How I would fix Itachi Uchiha

Feel free to request this for other characters or ask worldbuilding questions.

Have him not torture Sasuke in his Tsukuyomi. Seeing Itachi alone would be so retraumatizing to Sasuke to send him into a Panic attack.

Show him STRUGGLING. Even if it’s just a smidge.

Show the weight of his “decision” on his shoulders. Even pre reveal.

Put emphasis on the manipulation from Konoha and the root organization and how he didn’t actually have a choice in the slightest.

Give us more insight on his illness and what he did to fight it.

Make him REGRET what he did. At the very latest after he gets reanimated by Kabuto.

Show us his wants, needs and dreams. What lead him to make the decision that he ended up making?

Point out the flaws in his thinking and flesh it out: He thought that the only way to make it in the shinobi world is to become incredibly strong so others are too afraid to fight you.

Itachi is a tragic character, let’s write him like one.

Feel free to use these in headcanons, fics, etc. Tag or dm me so I can read em!

[lavender-phoenix-flames]

I don't care what you think but Sasuke and Naruto should have eloped and traveled the world together.