#anti hinata

[narutouzumakiarchive]

what are your thoughts on the “kishi based off naruto and sasuke off him and his brother so it’s weird and morally wrong to ship sasunaru.” IMO I’m like…you know what else is weird? kishi making the two characters that are supposedly based of him and his brother kiss accidentally and not only did they accidentally kiss but that scene is replayed multiple times in the manga and anime. So yeah…

Well I many thoughts.

For starters, the interview in question (and I'm still not sure of the source) states that the bond between Kishimoto and Seishi, his brother, was based on the aspect of feeling mutual pain.

Now let's look at another interview, from Kishimoto the lying liar. In it he states that his wife might secretly realize that Hinata isn't the real model for his wife because his wife is quite strong, which the interviewer noted was kind of like Sakura. Isn't that interesting.

In this interview he also implicitly acknowledges the implicit similarity between Sakura and his wife based on the particular aspect of strength. And yet, sasusaku's wouldn't use this interview as an indication that Sakura was in a romantic relationship with Naruto. Nor would they claim that Kishimoto (who frequently acknowledged that Naruto was a reflection of him) was writing a manga in which his wife (Sakura) was romantically in love with the analogue of his brother (Sasuke) Why?

Because while fiction is a reflection of life, it is in no way an exact representation of life. People in real life are complex multi dimensional beings and have complex and multi dimensional relationships; in other words, people and relationships have dimensions and depth that extend beyond one singular aspect, especially characteristics that are as common and generic as strength, and shared feelings of pain. Thus, Naruto and Sasuke, who also have additional depth in their bond beyond feelings of shared pain (let me know when brothers have feelings of uncertainty regarding the nature of their relationship btw) aren't a perfect analogue of Seishi and Kishimoto.

But I also want to note that they never extend this logic to the reverse. For example, Naruto and Sasuke are explicitly likened to Izanagi and Izanami, who in the Japanese mythos Kishimoto drew inspiration from, on the basis of perfect complementarity, were married. Surely, according to their logic, since basing the fictional dynamic between Naruto and Sasuke of of one aspect of the dynamic between two Gods who were married means that Naruto and Sasuke had romantic feelings for eachother, right? And yet something tells me those hypocrites who are triggered by Naruto and Sasuke would disagree. Because even they can intuit that fictional depictions don't necessarily have a perfect 1 to 1 relationship with the things they derive inspiration from.

But, additionally I need to add that Kishimoto could say that Naruto and Sasuke are the most brotherly of brothers and that it would be a crime to ship them — he could even have them end the series affirming they were like brothers — and it still wouldn't matter for two reasons.

One, intent does not equal impact. It would not matter if Kishimoto intended for Naruto and Sasuke to have a brotherly dynamic if what we were shown in the text is NOT a brotherly dynamic. People put a lot of stock in information from interviews, but while that paratext can help enhance our understanding of the text, ultimately, it is seperate from the text and the text is king — in other words, the purpose of a system (in this case, the Naruto text) is what it does.

But let me talk about a funny example first before I discuss Naruto and Sasuke. In 2009, Folgers Coffee released an infamous commercial that made the relationship between a brother and sister take center stage.

Now I suggest you watch the video for yourself, but for people who want the TLDR: It received a ton attention and backlash as a result of the very obvious incestuous undertones.

Now the video was obviously meant to depict the dynamic between a normal brother and sister. I mean, taboo themes in a commercial for a brand that has consistently utilized rhetorical appeals to wholesome conservative family values makes for bad business. And yet, despite the commercial making it obvious that the main characters in the ad were brother and sister by having them explicitly indicate as much, that line didn't do much the quell the underlying tension that viewers picked up on when watching the coy flirtation and intense gazes.

Which brings me back to Naruto and Sasuke. Most people that interact with media do so casually. Many are looking for simple minded entertainment. They aren't going to comb through the internet to look for cherry picked interviews to discern the nature of Naruto and Sasuke's relationship. They'll simply look at what's presented in the narrative to do so, and what the narrative presents is that of an overwhelmingly romantic dynamic between Naruto and Sasuke.

Romance is a "social structure that's biologically potentiated." This will receive more elaboration in another post, but at its core much of what we consider to be romantic has been shaped by shared socioculturally produced conventions (that can be specific to particular cultures/societies or more globalized). And when it comes to determining what is romantic in a narrative, the shared conventions and expectations are further mediated by the values that the text promotes.

People who interact casually with Naruto won't see Kishimoto's interviews, but they will see things like...

The classic romantic kiss/almost kiss intimate moment in the rain

Sakura stating that all she wants from Sasuke is acknowledgement in an explicitly romantic context (which is an example of a convention/ideal being promoted in the text as romantic), Naruto internally identifying with Sakura in this regard, and Sasuke giving Naruto the acknowledgement that he wants but not Sakura

Naruto getting tingles in his lower parts when thinking of said acknowledgement from Sasuke

Sasuke thinking about his kiss with Naruto and Naruto's dream during what he believed to be his final moments, and indicating it was one of the many reasons why his body decided to move on its own to save Naruto, a moment that was explicitly paralleled with Haku's sacrifice for Zabuza's dream a mere few chapters later, the same Haku that was implied to have subtextually romantic feelings for Zabuza [and a quick interjection, acknowledgement of what is presented in the text does not equal promotion. Moral critiques are important and just as valid as more stylistic analyses BUT they are distinct things. "Haku was never implied to have feelings for Zabuza because that's gross" is not a meaningful analysis]

Naruto making a proposal that significantly resembles the structure of shinju (double suicide), (a concept that has great significance in Japanese and Western popular culture, hello shared cultural conventions, hello Chikamatsu Monzaemon, hello Romeo and Juliet) a concept that was invoked by Omoi at the beginning of the volume that Naruto's proposal was in. This concept is promoted as a romantic value in the text via Omoi, and of course, is accords with popular sociocultural understandings of what we know to be Romantic.

And make no mistake, Kishimoto was intimately aware of the history of the romantic convention he drew from.

Naruto being Sasuke's tether to humanity in the same way that Rin was Obito's tether to humanity as well as Naruto being visually framed in Sasuke's memory in the exact same way that Rin was framed in Obito's memories in back-to-back chapters.

And there's more, but there's no need to continue because even just these moments highlight how far beyond the het dynamics Naruto and Sasuke are in terms of mutual, romantic implications. Naruto and Sasuke's dynamic is shown as romantic which it why it wouldn't even matter if Naruto and Sasuke weren't intended to be romantic.

Now, the second reason why it wouldn't matter if Naruto and Sasuke were intended to be non romantic brothers is that.... they aren't brothers. Like the most surefire way to make a bond be brotherly is to make the characters related. [And not have their first pivotal interaction be a classic "accidental kiss" ship bait moment that was iconic enough to be recycled by their kids who are now love interests.] And further, the trope of two people (gay people in particular) who aren't siblings but have a unique, powerful and intimate bond that's metaphorized and/or euphemized as sibling-like doesn't inherently negate romance.

But let me provide an example. There's a show called Breaking Bad, centered on a man who ostensibly turns to a life of crime in order to protect his family, but he's not important here. In the show, we're provided with the backstory of the primary antagonist in Season 4, Gus Fring. And the viewer gets to see that the reason Gus decided to devote his life to getting revenge on the cartel was because the loss of someone that was particularly close and precious to him, a man named Hector.

Within Gus' backstory, there's really only one scene of note that implies the two are gay. When a previous antagonist named Hector crudely pees into the pool, in the presence of Gus and Max, and is chastised by a fellow associate, Hector remarks that the two men won't say anything because they like what they see and makes suggestive kissing noises at them.

But there's something interesting about the way Max describes the relationship between himself and Gus. He explicitly states that he knows Gustavo like a brother. Hell, the name of the business that he planned to start alongside Gus was called Los Pollos Hermanos (translated in the show as The Chicken Brother's) and even the episode in which their story is expounded upon is named "Hermanos." And yet, many viewers picked up on the romantic subtext between Max and Gus, subtext that the showrunner confirmed was intentional. In the viewers minds, the subtext wasn't wholly negated because they knew eachother like brothers.

And that's because, the metaphor of the sibling, is often merely utilized to invoke desirable traits of idealized siblinghood (like friendship and trust) while setting aside the biological limitations of actual sibling bonds. Hence, in Japanese and Western media, this invocation of the sibling-like bond often occurred (and still does) in tandem with romantic subtext, and this is especially common in gay narratives when characters are trying to understand the nature of their feelings.

But this is a nuance that is lost by people that only chronically consume battle shonen. If you showed them the scene of Max talking about his dynamic with Gus they'd decry the people who dared to call it gay and make some fake deep statement about how people want to undermine pure brotherly bonds by making everything romantic. Because only in the Naruto fandom will people complain about you bringing up the fact that maybe it's gay to think about a kiss when you're about to die or to feel special butterflies when you're acknowledged by your rival. They'd combust if you tried to explain that idealized characteristics present in particular relational categories (like friendship and brotherhood) can overlap.

And if you go back to the interview, in which feelings of intensely shared pain are regarded as brotherly, you'll see that Kishimoto notes just that. He states that feelings of brotherly love and friendship are the same exact thing. Which means that in the period when Sasuke considered Sakura a nakama, something that obviously ended after he left the village, according to the very same interview that narusasu antis foolishly claim debunks our ship, it would mean that Sasuke also had fraternal feelings for Sakura as he did for the rest of Team 7 and thus was morally wrong. But you can't expect logic from het shippers.

Which brings me to my final set of points. I've already reached the 30 image limit so I can't post more images on this post (and will probably save it for another ask) but my post this far has only adressed the demographic that genuinely believes in the narusasu are like brothers argument. But, you need to understand that a significant portion of the people that push that argument don't even believe in it themselves, and I'm not joking. Search any narusakusasu account or popular "poly Team 7" art post and I can guarantee that at least 7 out 10 times, if you click on the profile of a someone with a cherry blossom and tomato emoji pair and search "incest" or "brother" on their account, you'll find a post of them speaking negatively about narusasu. It's almost funny how consistently it turns out to be true, but again, I'll address that in another post (along with the behavior of naruhina's because they tend to use different argument against sns). The point is that their issue with narusasu has never been about "moral wrongness" but about the fact that Sakura (and Hinata in the case of SasuHinaNaru's) isn't involved in their dynamic.

In fact, many Sakura stans are multiSaku's that have no problem shipping her with every man that ever breathed in her vicinity (Madara, Sasori, Itachi, Kakashi, etc.) and even the ones that didn't (Shisui).. I mean they're even publishing reworked fanfiction, [see this ItaSaku novel]. And yet they only bat an eye at Naruto and Sasuke. That's why ultimately, you shouldn't take them seriously, because they aren't looking to engage with you in good faith. They just want to undermine narusasu while stealing our tropes for their ship.

But since the word of Kishimoto is law to them, just bring up any one of the interviews in which Kishimoto's mocked Hinata, Sakura NH and SS, like him calling Sakura detestable, or his reaction to someone liking Hinata being "so you like girls with big boobs," or him initially agreeing that SS and NH were unrequited, or him stating he didn't know if Sasuke and Sakura would last, or him stating that Hinata isn't a regular heroine that stands at the main character's side but the type that watches him from the shadows (when her entire goal during the manga was to stand by Naruto's side), him laughing at an interviewer that stated Sasuke dealt with Sakura by leaving, or Kishimoto stating that he didnt have any devotion to the love story between Naruto and Hinata and he didnt plan to write it until Studio Pierrot suggested it, or Kishimoto stating that he avoided writing the reason for Sakura's love because it would sound too contrived, or — well, you get the point.

[shiningstars-world]

I don't understand why ppl deny Naruto's love for sasuke and believe in such a things like " oh he didn't understand love until he met hinata"

Meanwhile we see multiple times that how much Naruto cares for him...

For instance: sarada is talking about how much is a person who made a lunch box is special

And here we have Boruto who thinks of his mother make that lunch box with love

But guess what? When Naruto receive the lunch box, the only one he's thinking is Sasuke...

Like can kishi be serious?? He made Naruto think about sasuke instead of hinata!!

So sasuke is Naruto's special person and not hinata ... Hope this help

[sakuraharuno156]

Hinata obviously loved Naruto from the beginning, but Naruto never loved Sakura, right?

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We all know Hinata loved Naruto FROM THE BEGINNING. How do we know it? Well...

She was blushing when she saw him!

She always thought he was the best and the coolest!

She was smiling at Naruto hugging Sakura, after Pain fight because she just wants him to be happy! That's how REAL love works!

She tried to protect him AT ALL COST!

Everyone had known she loves Naruto!

She EVEN SAID IT DIRECTLY!

LIKE THAT WAS OBVIOUS. We know ALL that. 🙄

BUT

Naruto.... HAS NEVER LOVED SAKURA. NEVER. IT WAS CLEARLY A CRUSH, HE NEVER DID THINGS THAT HINATA DID, COME ON. ONE IS CLEARLY LOVE AND THE OTHER ONE IS BARELY A CRUSH.

Like:

1) He clearly NEVER blushed around her

Not even once.

And even IF (but we all know he didn't) it wouldn't be in Shippuuden, then he was 100% over that "CRUSH"

2) He NEVER thought she was cool

Or even cute

3) Obviously Naruto has NEVER smiled at Sakura hugging Sasuke because NaruSaku was a crush AT BEST, so he never wanted her to be happy with someone else, that's would be LOVE and Naruto never loved her

4) And we obviously know he NEVER cared to protect her by jumping at a 100% stronger opponent... like never happened

5) Noone, not even once, thought Naruto loved Sakura, especially not because Naruto said it

6) And at last, he never said it, because if he did we wouldn't talk about it, right?

LIKE COME ON, ITS OBVIOUS. One is love and the other one is "just a crush"...

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Clearly 🥰

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Fun fact, NaruSaku is not even my OTP, but saying Naruto never loved Sakura is a CRIME 🤷‍♀️.

[maoam]

It’s baffling how Sakura or Hinata stans don’t realize they are treated the same by the narrative. They bash the other girl and are able to pick up all the unflattering moments and red flags, but when it comes to their favorite, it’s like all those basic observation skills just disappear into thin air.

I mean look at this:

Sakura hesitates, but decides to act on her selfish feelings (of needing to be on par with Naruto and Sasuke and to have them, especially Sasuke, look at her) and charges at the enemy despite not having a plan nor knowing about Madara’s true powers.

This act served no purpose other than to satisfy her own ego and to have Sasuke look at her.

No surprise, she gets immediately stabbed without making any damage to the enemy, and needs to be saved. Right after this scene, she is shown to be shooked by Madara’s powers while Naruto and Sasuke are fighting him. She had no idea what she was doing. She overrestimates her own abilities constantly.

She fails to be useful when it comes to doing damage to the enemy.

She is ignored by the object of her affection whose attention she desperately wanted. He wasn’t concerned for her at all, even Sakura realised it, and Kishimoto went out of his way to point this out.

I repeat, she was ignored by the guy whose attention she wanted and this was high lighted by Kishimoto.

Hinata hesitates for multiple pages, and is directly told that she would only cause Naruto trouble if she interfered, but decides to act on her selfish feelings (her need to confess her love to Naruto and to have him look at her) and charges at the enemy with no plan.

This act served no purpose other than to talk about her feelings and have her crush’s attention on her. She actually put the whole village and Naruto in danger.

She gets immediately one-paneled without making any damage to the enemy, and needs to be saved.

She fails to be useful when it comes to doing damage to the enemy.

She is ignored by the object of her affection whose attention she wanted. Naruto doesn’t even go talk to her, to him it’s enough she didn’t die.

I repeat, she was ignored by the guy whose attention she wanted, and this was high lighted by Kishimoto.

But the stans will not see any of this somehow. The similar patterns go right over their head. And this is not even the only similarity you can find in the text.

[sasucaty]

"fuck konohars" we all say in unison.

[gaydinosaurbananamilkcarton]

narusaku is a gross ship, she treats him like her brother. Sasusaku is a toxic ship, sasuke doesn't deserve sakura. Naruhina is a boring ship, it's like they don't even like each other. Kibahina would've been better. Sakura, naruto, and sasuke probably should've been alone💀 narusasu isn't a bad ship, I just don't like it. If sakura was with anyone, ino would've been better. I only like sasusaku because of Sarada, but we all can admit that sasuke was a piece of shit even after they got together.

[leportraitducadavre]

You know there’s a weird connection between the fandom’s perceived idea of “good writing” and their personal feelings about specific characters. “I like this character, therefore, they’re well written” and viceversa, “I dislike this character, therefore, they’re badly written” –I’ve seen this in many fandoms and with different characters, but there’s no fandom where this is more noticeable than in the “anti Sakura” portion of the audience.

Before we start, let me be clear on something: I don’t personally like Sakura, I don’t consider myself a fan of hers (or her stans, which are just as annoying as Hinata’s), nor I believe she’s the “heroine” of a story that has no room for a character with such status (I’ve said this before, Naruto is the hero and Sasuke is the antagonist -there’s no necessity nor space for anyone else as Sakura is merely the female character with most panel time, yet she doesn’t move the plot forward and she isn’t relevant to the development of other key characters, as most of them completely ignore her existence).

“Likeability” isn’t a determining factor when it comes to labelling a character “well” or “badly” written, such notion relies on subjective factors which makes it impossible to objectively determine the overall value of a character inside a story.

The most important factor to label a character “goodly written” has more to do with how well they represent their theological narrative. For instance, Danzo -who I genuinely despise, is amazingly written, as he spot on tackles the subject of extreme-nationalistic world view, while Itachi -on the other hand, is sort-of all over the place as he subscribes to Danzo’s ideology and defends it with the same actions, yet Kishimoto desperately wanted to keep him inside the “good guys” group, which ultimately failed and took down anything Itachi might have had going for him (besides other inconsistencies as he’s presented as a genius who made nothing but mistake after mistake). There’s a reason why the antagonists are often the ones with the best characterizations, as they aren’t tied to been “morally correct” or “likeable” in order to reflect their thematic plot, which is why the better characters in Naruto happen to be Uchiha (Sasuke, Obito, Madara).

Sakura has no weight inside the plot, as she is mostly used for support of either Naruto and (to a lesser extent) Sasuke, she stands narratively in the same spectrum as most “good” characters of the show, so she’s thematically not much more relevant than the rest of K-11; yet she’s given more depth than many other characters, as she’s a layered character of whom we see both her strengths and flaws, something we can’t say for other characters, such as Hinata.

In the Hyüga princess™’s case, her personality is mostly one dimensional as she is a thematic piece used to deepen Neji’s character. In case you haven’t noticed, she was constructed in opposition to him: She needs to be shy in order for Naruto to take pity on her when Neji insults her (as Neji is mostly arrogant and outspoken), she’s comically bad because Neji is a prodigy, she’s “a freak” (said by Naruto himself) because Neji isn't, she’s a slave owner because Neji is her slave, and so on –the only thing she has that wasn’t built in order to oppose her cousin was her infatuation with Naruto, something she makes a priority.

Everything we “know” about Hinata was mostly fandom-made, Hinata is shy and soft spoken, why is she considered “nice”? We never saw her worrying about anyone but Naruto: She was glad Kiba lost his match and offered Naruto the ointment to treat his wounds, she diminished her cousin’s trauma and endorsed the oppressive system of her clan, we never see her visiting Kiba after he returned from his mission to bring Sasuke back to Konoha (something we see Ino and Sakura do with their respective teammates, and while Hinata was recovering from Neji’s attack, she had enough strength to train and go see the Chünin Exams final stage, at no point is mentioned she was bed-ridden, as Sasuke had enough time to recover from Gaara’s attack before escaping the village), she thought about Naruto’s warm hand seconds after her cousin died and she was the only character not shown to be glad about Shikamaru being alive as we saw her pouting and thinking about how much she wanted to be beside Naruto. Furthermore, is there any scene in which she appears where she’s not thinking or talking about Naruto or where he is not the main focus?

How come a character designed to be nothing more than support (for Neji and Naruto, as her infatuation with him was built in order to have some oppositional force to the idea of “nobody likes him”, as Naruto has an unrequited love for Sakura during the whole duration of the manga) is “better written” than Sakura, who despite herself being also support she has far more thematically ground to move around (Kishimoto explores through her different themes, even if they aren’t relevant to the plot itself, such as romantical obsession, low self-esteem and the decisions/characteristics that are driven by it, female friendship, and few others).

Honest question: It’s her sad background reason enough to like Hinata? Do you truly need a “compelling” backstory in order to claim a character is “better written” than others? Sakura was bullied because she was shy, Hinata -being the Hyüga heir, wasn’t shown to suffer the same fate at the hands of her classmates. Think about it this way, while Sakura was being bullied and had to be helped by Ino, Hinata was being trained by her father and witnessing Hiashi torture her uncle while Neji cried, helpless! –and just a few years later, she used that exact knowledge to insult him! So she’s not really that nice after all!

What is it with the obsession of both fandoms with the idea of “potential” and how, apparently, they were “robbed of it” (what “potential”? When did Hinata even hint at improving her fighting techniques? She was defeated every single time! When did Sakura, who canonically has a smaller chakra pool than both Sasuke and Naruto, have the possibility of surpass literally Ashura and Indra’s reincarnations? Them having more panel time will mean absolutely nothing as we’ll see them doing the exact same thing we already see them do only twice as much. “Potential” is about exploring a latent ability of them, Hinata has none and Sakura’s chakra flux control was properly exploited!).

There’s more to say about this, but I’m honestly tired at this point…

[theheirofthesharingan]

Sasuke & Naruto settled for Hinata & Sakura, just like “welp, i got no other options i’ll just marry her so she can cook & clean for me.” Also Sakura & Hinata have low self worth for not giving up on men that clearly exhibit no signs of major interest in them.

There's not much to disagree because both the ladies had no impact on Naruto and Sasuke throughout the series, and suddenly they're married to these women. While I don't care about either Hinata or Sakura, it baffles me that these pairings are considered the epitome of romance in Manga.

Minato and Kushina exist and they're so much better.

I find Hinata very, very bland, a character I can't bother to think about, let alone find worthy of dislike or hate. Sakura is slightly better, but not only does she show no self-respect, she shows no signs of love towards Sasuke beyond being his fangirl.

There's already been a lot of talk on why both the canon pairings are bad and I wish I was invested in either of them enough to write about those. But even then, there's not much I could add because it's already been said.

[the-real-sasuke-uchiha]

What do you think about hinata

Hi there, anon.

I don't really have an elaborate opinion about her, I don't give her many thoughts, actually. She is mostly irrelevant to me.

She was born from the enslaver branch of her family, something that can't really be blamed on her. As a kid, I don't think she was clever or deep enough to understand the position of privilege she was in, her brain was apparently equipped barely enough to fangirl Naruto. So, when people trash her for not empathising with Neji, really, I see their point but I can't really blame a child for the crimes of adults.

As an adult she clearly had a responsibility to end slavery in her clan. Some people claim she has no power as she is not head of her clan, but I am sure her Hokage husband can give a hand. Konoha pretends to be unwilling to meddle in private clan affairs, but we know they indeed do so when they find it convenient. So I don't want to hear any excuses, we see her (them) doing nothing, so I can't respect her (them) at all. I wonder what the Hyuga people from the side branch are thinking or doing right now... I think they are in need of a revolution against those parasites...

[sakuraharuno156]

I really don't understand the hypocrisy of some Naruto fans - a rant. Part 3

(Trigger warning - anti Hinata)

The things that I have seen in the Fandom really make me question people's ability to read.

PART 13

(I want to provide manga as a proof, but Tumblr has a limit of pictures i can add, so I'll do it in parts)

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The nicest person in the series according to Hinata fans:

(Aka rubbing in her cousins face that he is a slave and essentially pushing him into being punished (even tho he asked her many times to just give up) because her crush was watching)

Cannonicaly THE NICES character in Naruto:

(Aka the person that was called the nicest time and time again)

A person who loses intentionally, because they are too nice according to Hinata fans:

(Aka just being weaker than someone. The "she is too nice to fight with her sister" argument is just wishful thinking. That was NEVER stated in manga.)

A person that CANNONICALY cannot hurt someone because they are too nice:

(Aka the person that couldn't even hurt an enemy, because of memories that he had with Asuma when he was still alive)

The most beautiful female character, according to Hinata fans:

(Aka the canonicaly invisible girl!)

The most beautiful female character CANNONICALY:

(Aka TSUNADE, canonicaly the most beautiful woman on the planet)

Strongest Hyuga member/head of the Hyuga clan according to Hinata fans:

(Aka the girl who lost all her battles)

Strongest hyuga member CANNONICALY:

(Aka Neji, who at 13 canonicaly surpassed the whole Hyuga clan)

The head of the hyuga clan CANNONICALY:

(Aka Hiashi - that never changed)

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To "prove" their point, they use datatbooks (essentially a guaid through the series) that are notorious for getting things wrong and stating stupid stuff like:

Choji has the most powerful jutsu (when we know Naruto and bijuu dama exists).

Sakura being an "elite junin by birth" (when we know she was from a civilian family and was born noone).

Kurenai having just as strong Genjutsu (or in some translations EVEN STRONGER) than Kakashi (when we know what she did or rather didn't do against Itachi)

Kakashi being stronger than Guy in first part (when we know that Guy was already able to use 8 gates and Kakashi was barely able to get Mangekyo)

Etc.

Or even funnier, they use wishful thinking and their own imagination!

They think Hinata is nice so therefore she didn't lose to Hanabi - SHE WAS JUST TOO NICE TO FIGHT WITH HER, and then they repeated it until other people think that it's too popular to be fake so they take it as a fact.

Or EVEN EVEN FUNNIER - they choose what facts are true and what facts are fake.

I even met a Hinata fan that said that databooks are 100% true, but when translation is right.

How do they know what is right? Do they speak Japanese? No. The ones that support their claims are true but the ones that don't are obvious FAKE.

(EVEN when I showed them two statements from the same page - they said that "one is well translated and the other is false". ON THE SAME F*CKING PAGE)

One day I'm seriously gonna lose it.

[nartml]

Hinata, Hinata, Hinata. How's my favourite little slave owner doing? She okay? Well, not for long now, because I'm about to rip into her.

Here's the situation. She's bland. Frumpy. Too timid, too shy, too "kind", too awkward, too privileged, too busy idolizing Naruto and putting him before her kids, to be a Shinobi. To have the guts to do something about the slavery going on in her own family. To even acknowledge it.

That's annoying. Unfortunately, she, much like Sakura, was born in a world much too harsh for her. She doesn't fit in. She doesn't have what it takes to live up to the expectations placed on her as the heir (which is why Hiashi had to pass it down to Hanabi, a much more capable kunoichi, and no matter how much you vilify him for it, he was right to do so. He has a duty to his clan, he needs to be responsible. There's no space for coddling). She's preoccupied with stalking her crush from afar.

She's unimportant. She's just...there. Neji suffered the fate of his father saving her, a true loss of a much more important, likable, skilled character.

And she, instead of at least realizing, acknowledging how fucked it is that there are literal slaves in her family, whose lives are treated as lesser than hers, she just fawns over Naruto again.

In the fight with Pain, her confession was selfish, a suicide mission which endangered the lives of everyone, and specifically the fate of her bodyguard that told her that he'd get in trouble if something happened to her. She blatantly disregarded every warning she was given to not approach the battle.

All to confess her feelings to a stranger (because that's who Naruto is to her. He's a stranger, whom she knows only about his never-give-up mentality. And she, well. She is someone Naruto barely spoke to ever), get one panelled, and traumatize Naruto who would have to suffer with the guilt of knowing someone died for him out there. You could say he went ballistic over the fact that Hinata was injured and he loved her so, but the fact that he never once sought after her and ignored her love confession is proof enough that he only cared about her well-being as a mere comrade. Just knowing she's alive was good enough for him. Because Naruto is Naruto, and like it or not, he generally cares about people.

Her whole character falls apart the moment I erase her infatuation with Naruto; all the evidence you need that she's horribly written and shallow (Something also purposefully done by Kishimoto).

Hinata is simply privileged and irrelevant, in all the sense of the words. Seeing her stans point fingers and make fun of Sakura without realizing that they're both equally bad is hilarious.

Hinata wasn't made for the world of Shinobi, and it's blatantly clear.

[lovingpenguinllama]

NARUTO MEN HAREM JUTSU

Anyways .....let's rate them

I give him 6/ 10 not bad.

This is literally Jugo! So, he is Naruto's type, not my type though. I don't like the hair. I give him a 5/10.

Dang he looks handsome I give him8/10 😍

Sai!? .he really have a type I give sai ..8/10

He is handsome 8/10

He reminds me of kabouto for some reason.. 5/10

7/10

I dont like the hair colour

[naruto-general-opinions]

[fille-de-skroa]

I feel like some of you sometimes forget that Tsunade exists, and that she’s a great character.

Because I know that people love to say that every Naruto female characters suck because of Sakura and Hinata… but this isn’t true? Tsunade is amazing. And it’s not like she was a side character you would see in only one arc, or a minor character who gets barely two lines of dialogues. She’s one of the main supporting characters of the manga.

Her development is very efficient. She was traumatized by the death of her brother and of her lover, and began to see the necklace and the kiss on the forehead she gave to the ones she loved as a curse. But she was also traumatized by the fact that she couldn’t save Dan, and since then, she visibly developed PTSD, and the simple view of blood absolutely terrifies her.

But because Naruto helped her to find hope again with his endless determination, she overcame her fear of blood and was able to fight back Orochimaru and Kabuto. She even accepted her responsibility as a Hokage, and decided to come back to Konoha to protect the Leaf. (Just look at her. She’s so badass!!!)

I’ve heard some people say that while she is well written, her character is still defined by the man that she loves, just like most of the Naruto female characters cast… But actually, it’s not the case? Sure, she’s very in love with Dan and his death traumatized her deeply, but the story insists on the fact that her trauma comes not only from Dan’s death, but also from Nawaki’s.

Also, I would like to point out that compared to characters like Sakura, Hinata, or even Karin, her love story with Dan is well written too. It’s very short, but even with three pages, we’re able to see how Tsunade and Dan met, why Tsunade feel in love with him, and most importantly, what they had in common. (So yes, for people who doubted it, Kishimoto can and knows how to write romance)

And also, it doesn’t feel like Tsunade is the third wheel of the Legendary Sannin Trio like Sakura is with Team 7. She’s as powerful as Orochimaru and Jiraiya, and all three of them feel like they balance each other perfectly.

There’s more to talk about, but you get the idea. Tsunade is a good character, and I wish some people would focus on her rather than focusing on other bad female characters in Naruto.

[leportraitducadavre]

Hey leportraitducadavre you know about Naruto the Last movie well if i am being honest when watching the movie to me it feels like everyone if everyone i mean sakura was forcing naruto to get with/fall in with hinata now i don't know about you or anyone but to me that's what it feels so what's your opinion sorry if i bother you.

There's nothing salvageable about that piece of media; the lore is wrong, they twist the canon material as they see fit to make their narrative work instead of putting the effort of fitting the narrative around the original setting like the fandom isn't even worth the effort (it isn't, not the fandom they tried to reach as they didn't care and they made it clear after its release how much they didn't).

They highlight unlikeable traits of the characters they want to "get rid of" because they didn't want to budge on the idea of "true and only love" the fandom wanted (Naruto could get over Sakura, people, and it would've been better than what you got) and desperately tried to downplay others actual toxic behavior only to make it worse (Hinata worrying about Naruto when someone close to her is dead/in danger again, it's like a joke).

Hinata obtained relevance and power that she never possessed during the manga, being known as the weakest ninja in the k-11 and having potential for nothing. Yet, instead of exploiting such things in their favor, making Naruto fall in love with her mundanity as a breeze of fresh air from all the violence he has to endure daily, they make her the "byakugan princess" (the fuck?) to give her some semblance of power.

Don't break a sweat about it, the movie is a piece of media solely made to exploit the fandom's wallets and continue to profit from a manga that had ended and was still popular back then; reason why Boruto exists as well.

[theheirofthesharingan]

I'm sorry but what is people's beef with Hinata?? She's such an unproblematic character.

By "people's beef with Hinata", I believe, you my beef with Hinata. What more reason would I need to dislike her than her to be a bland and uninteresting character that doesn't affect the story in any shape or form and yet she is treated like a princess?

She doesn't change a moment with her presence or absence in the story. The only thing that grows about her are hair (and her boobs, cuz men seem to like that a lot).

Since when a character being unproblematic has become a criteria for someone to like them? If people like her, I don't care. But in fiction, personally speaking, I would prefer a character that's interesting even with shitty morals. Yeah, irl someone like Itachi would definitely be thrown in the prison and someone like Hinata would definitely be praised for being soft hearted and stuff, but this is fiction I'm talking about. And I need characters that enrich the story, not just someone that eats up the space and has zero contribution to the story.

Anyone familiar with my blog would know morality is the last thing I care about in characters.

SP seems to like her a lot, so they added some random shit in the Pain's arc to make her look heroic when it just came across as crass, selfish, and mind-numbingly stupid. Other people have already written about it, so I'm not going to elaborate.

And if all these reasons aren't enough, Neji was killed to give her a happy ending? Why couldn't she have died instead? If Naruto married Neji instead of her that would be so much more sensible. I don't like anything about her. Her "N-Naruto kun 🥺🥺👉👈" isn't sweet or adorable. It's cringe.

PS. I will not be writing anything more on her. Please don't send me another ask(s) regarding her.