#anti hinata stans

[leportraitducadavre]

You know there’s a weird connection between the fandom’s perceived idea of “good writing” and their personal feelings about specific characters. “I like this character, therefore, they’re well written” and viceversa, “I dislike this character, therefore, they’re badly written” –I’ve seen this in many fandoms and with different characters, but there’s no fandom where this is more noticeable than in the “anti Sakura” portion of the audience.

Before we start, let me be clear on something: I don’t personally like Sakura, I don’t consider myself a fan of hers (or her stans, which are just as annoying as Hinata’s), nor I believe she’s the “heroine” of a story that has no room for a character with such status (I’ve said this before, Naruto is the hero and Sasuke is the antagonist -there’s no necessity nor space for anyone else as Sakura is merely the female character with most panel time, yet she doesn’t move the plot forward and she isn’t relevant to the development of other key characters, as most of them completely ignore her existence).

“Likeability” isn’t a determining factor when it comes to labelling a character “well” or “badly” written, such notion relies on subjective factors which makes it impossible to objectively determine the overall value of a character inside a story.

The most important factor to label a character “goodly written” has more to do with how well they represent their theological narrative. For instance, Danzo -who I genuinely despise, is amazingly written, as he spot on tackles the subject of extreme-nationalistic world view, while Itachi -on the other hand, is sort-of all over the place as he subscribes to Danzo’s ideology and defends it with the same actions, yet Kishimoto desperately wanted to keep him inside the “good guys” group, which ultimately failed and took down anything Itachi might have had going for him (besides other inconsistencies as he’s presented as a genius who made nothing but mistake after mistake). There’s a reason why the antagonists are often the ones with the best characterizations, as they aren’t tied to been “morally correct” or “likeable” in order to reflect their thematic plot, which is why the better characters in Naruto happen to be Uchiha (Sasuke, Obito, Madara).

Sakura has no weight inside the plot, as she is mostly used for support of either Naruto and (to a lesser extent) Sasuke, she stands narratively in the same spectrum as most “good” characters of the show, so she’s thematically not much more relevant than the rest of K-11; yet she’s given more depth than many other characters, as she’s a layered character of whom we see both her strengths and flaws, something we can’t say for other characters, such as Hinata.

In the Hyüga princess™’s case, her personality is mostly one dimensional as she is a thematic piece used to deepen Neji’s character. In case you haven’t noticed, she was constructed in opposition to him: She needs to be shy in order for Naruto to take pity on her when Neji insults her (as Neji is mostly arrogant and outspoken), she’s comically bad because Neji is a prodigy, she’s “a freak” (said by Naruto himself) because Neji isn't, she’s a slave owner because Neji is her slave, and so on –the only thing she has that wasn’t built in order to oppose her cousin was her infatuation with Naruto, something she makes a priority.

Everything we “know” about Hinata was mostly fandom-made, Hinata is shy and soft spoken, why is she considered “nice”? We never saw her worrying about anyone but Naruto: She was glad Kiba lost his match and offered Naruto the ointment to treat his wounds, she diminished her cousin’s trauma and endorsed the oppressive system of her clan, we never see her visiting Kiba after he returned from his mission to bring Sasuke back to Konoha (something we see Ino and Sakura do with their respective teammates, and while Hinata was recovering from Neji’s attack, she had enough strength to train and go see the Chünin Exams final stage, at no point is mentioned she was bed-ridden, as Sasuke had enough time to recover from Gaara’s attack before escaping the village), she thought about Naruto’s warm hand seconds after her cousin died and she was the only character not shown to be glad about Shikamaru being alive as we saw her pouting and thinking about how much she wanted to be beside Naruto. Furthermore, is there any scene in which she appears where she’s not thinking or talking about Naruto or where he is not the main focus?

How come a character designed to be nothing more than support (for Neji and Naruto, as her infatuation with him was built in order to have some oppositional force to the idea of “nobody likes him”, as Naruto has an unrequited love for Sakura during the whole duration of the manga) is “better written” than Sakura, who despite herself being also support she has far more thematically ground to move around (Kishimoto explores through her different themes, even if they aren’t relevant to the plot itself, such as romantical obsession, low self-esteem and the decisions/characteristics that are driven by it, female friendship, and few others).

Honest question: It’s her sad background reason enough to like Hinata? Do you truly need a “compelling” backstory in order to claim a character is “better written” than others? Sakura was bullied because she was shy, Hinata -being the Hyüga heir, wasn’t shown to suffer the same fate at the hands of her classmates. Think about it this way, while Sakura was being bullied and had to be helped by Ino, Hinata was being trained by her father and witnessing Hiashi torture her uncle while Neji cried, helpless! –and just a few years later, she used that exact knowledge to insult him! So she’s not really that nice after all!

What is it with the obsession of both fandoms with the idea of “potential” and how, apparently, they were “robbed of it” (what “potential”? When did Hinata even hint at improving her fighting techniques? She was defeated every single time! When did Sakura, who canonically has a smaller chakra pool than both Sasuke and Naruto, have the possibility of surpass literally Ashura and Indra’s reincarnations? Them having more panel time will mean absolutely nothing as we’ll see them doing the exact same thing we already see them do only twice as much. “Potential” is about exploring a latent ability of them, Hinata has none and Sakura’s chakra flux control was properly exploited!).

There’s more to say about this, but I’m honestly tired at this point…

[pansexualmadara]

I don't care how much you hate Sakura/Hinata if you gotta slutshame, fatshame or be transphobic you aren't being an anti you're being a pain in the ass and you need to cut that shit out.

[badgalsasuke]

Jun Esaka's fanfic:

Kishimoto's work:

Sakura, unlike Naruto, is unable to communicate with Sasuke, she can't read his mind or understand his heart. In Gaiden we see how she still doesn't know Sasuke, couldn't even tell her daughter if he wore glasses or not. She doesn't know the man she claims to love and she knows she's pitiful for that!

[lunaneko14]

Knows Hinata wouldn’t lie.

Knows Sakura would.

🤔

[asukakuro]

NH accept 'The Last is canon' is such a comedy. It means they admitted that Naruto had ignored Hinata for 3 years, possibly forgotten her public confession and definitely not even found her after the war.

If The Last hadn't been existed, we would have imagined that Naruto found Hinata interesting and want to go out with her no sooner than 699. Hinata fans and Sakura fans also wouldn't have to fight each other for the appearances of Byakugan Princess and Cherry Blossom Queen. Leaving it as a blank period is so much better than supposing that Naruto was a stupid for not realizing Hinata had having a crush on him for so long.

The most idiotic scene that The Last had done to shot on NH themselves was 'Naruto likes Sakura because of his rivalry with Sasuke' [here].

[shiningstars-world]

Look at this disgusting person. A disgusting naruhina shipper! Wishing me die over a 2D characters...

She accused me of being misogynist and homophobic while she dissed sns and call me B word insult which is a misogynist insult

Like I don't have anything to say...she said she's bisexual but what lgbt person will be homophobic??

She was like: i won't answering you anymore hope you have a bad day b!ch...🫤

She was the one who acted like a bitch but call me that 🤣🫤

Also i never said naruhina weren't married i just said they're forced and look at how she gets angry by that simple fact😂

Oh i forgot she called me schizophrenic just bc I said they're forced 😭😂

Well I'm going to cross tagging this post. I don't say all the nh shippers are like this but well most of them are this toxic like this person🤷

[meowmada]

Hinata haters that also hate sumire and himawari are just proving the fact that hinata hate comes from simple internalized misogyny

[naruhinalife555]

Shut up butch this not that your pink trash much better!!

Sakura Sakura Sakura how's my favourite little trash onwe doing she is okay so not for long now because I'm about to rip into her

Antis "Here's the situation Hinata she is bland frumpy well she is not shy she is only "kind not have awkward to privileged to busy idolizing". Shut up because good mother like hinata will never putting Naruto before her kids.

Hinata she is not like the trash pink with the point disgusting on her forehead. Sometimes people they are tend to get confused and Watch only in anime but not read manga the anime ruin her character.

Hinata she is still shinobi

And you think that this not annoying to hear your nonsense??? So what if Hinata she is born in world harsh. So what if she is not fit of Course she know what it takes to live ap the experience she is not Placed on her as the hair. This not the reason why Hiashi has to pass it down Hanabi be heiress I even not understand what even interesting in her filler character that even not existing Hanabi she is not kunichi and it clear that she is not capable not much from Hinata

it is not her fault of Hinata that she is fel on trash father. i sure that if you was instead you wouldn't talk in this way

It yes matter Hanbi she is not did half from that did Hinata, Hiashi he is the fault he not was good with hinata. Cleary it is not was rigth to do it. Hinata know what her duty to her clan. Sorry but Hiashi he is not was responsable about hinata that only was a littel girl. he is act to hinata like a trash. hinata she is was need to prov her self and be strong alone. The manga not prov that Hinata was a "stalker" after her crash. Even Naruto kno that to hinata have motivation to be strong it not only for him.

it is no fair when Neji dead to no one was care about him only to Rock Lee and Hinata was care about him. Hinata never was a slave in her family what are you want she is mother she is has a littel girl. she is need to keep her.

Aaaa you can to talking abut selfish?? After that Hinata she is almost dead your pink trash she is going to Naruto to get him love confession cleary that he is lie. she is not was a good friend she is not thinking about hinata's feelings. No, it just makes me angry that Sakura is going after someone who just wants to kill her. Isn't that harassment???

Absolutely not Naruto never ignored Hinata when Hinata was hurt Naruto in battle protected her with his whole body it's always a detail that haters like you leave out just to hate Hinata.Hinata she is not selfish without her Naruto was a dead. In the manga he even said he went crazy after what happened to her he also said she saved him you are not understood it would have been more selfish if she hadn't jumped into the fight against Pain and it is clear that Naruto was shocked because he doesn't use to have anyone who even loves him

What does that have to do with suicide?? Of course she fought. Naruto said how strong Hinata was that she saved him.

There is no mistake here that was made out of guilt. Naruto did it because he wanted to and for no other reason. He does care about Hinata, otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned how much.he also said how crazy he was is this called ignoring???You completely ignored this part.

This is absolutely not true, Hinata she is wirrten excellent. You just like the empty and the toxic characters without any content like Sakura who don't care about others at all.Kishimoto never said Hinata was poorly written, he loved her.

Kishimoto makes it clear that in his mind Naruto and Hinata would be together and that while he didn’t consider writing the story of how they got together himself, that was till Pierrot suggested they make the next movie then Kishimoto gave them his full support.

Just shut up, it hasn't been proven that Hinata is a slave or anything else you mentioned, you're just a hypocritical and lying fandom. On the contrary, Hinata only got stronger in Boruto.

I never connected with Hanabi just a character as unnecessary as an ass. Sorry for the expression, but her fan base is so toxic and hypocritical. What do you want? Hinata hasn't forgotten about her tribe for a single moment. In contrast, Hanabi doesn't do anything with her life.You should actually be thankful that she has a good sister like Hinata.Seriously where was Hanabi in ​​the war???

Even that her cousin died,Hanabi she is not was. Hinata only appeared in the manga, Hanabi crying over him only in a stupid filler.

So enough of all this hate won't help you Sakura fans Hinata is none of the things you said I always asked where Sakura was about half the people in the war died she could have started healing them while Naruto was falling

What meaning does to Sakura character when she does nothing?Even Obito understood how important Hinata was. Because he saw one full of hope who was always ready to fight for her friends.

It's just evil to say that Hinata doesn't care about her family. Hinata isn't bad mother as the anime trying to show.

Sakura almost kills her daughter. Makes the earth shake and makes her cry. Lies to her about her father. It's just horrible. I would die if I had a mother like that. The Boruto anime is trying so hard to make Sakura a hero when she's not.

Another thing is that she's a housewife, there's nothing wrong with that. Kushina and Mito were also housewives, and I didn't see anyone hating them.

So enough please, enough with this, you're messing around with things that don't exist. Hinata is good and the manga has proven it well and you won't be able to change that. Here's a request: show me another husband and wife like that and only in the manga.

[madaras-tits]

Shitty pro Sakura memes: a collection

These are memes that popped on my pinterest page every now and then, and they all range from reducing Sakura to “she doesn’t have a flat chest, so she’s a good character”, to “Hinata is a housewife, so she sucks and Sakura doesn’t” (which sounds a lot like internalized misogyny, but ok). Anyway, enjoy!

[sneezemonster15]

look at this 💀 what do u think about it? this person genuinely said the reason why sasuke's straight is bc of fake rumours made by little girls that happen with every popular kid at school 😭 she took it fr lmaooo

https://www.tumblr.com/kirinkarin/715752831201771520/dushman-e-jaan-yaoi-shippers-really-are-so?source=share

Lol, I have addressed her theories before. Read it here. It was a response to her response to my post.

She is just a nasty little homophobe, ignorant and real delusional to boot. Don't mind her too much, it would only give her more leverage. Just ignore her. She lies. A lot. To herself as well. And lies that can be caught so easily, a child can do it. Which is funny because, like the manga is right there for everyone to read. I can read it, she can too, so can everyone. We know what's been said and shown and how it's been said and shown, we know how to read. It's all there. And yet, she does selective reading and can't for the life of her, understand nuances that prove Sasuke and Naruto as gay lovers. She simply bypasses those because they don't serve her heteronormative purposes.

Basically like any other anti SNS female Sasuke stan who basically lusts after Sasuke, and conveniently ignores everything that indicates at Naruto and Sasuke's romantic relationship. She also has no idea about Japanese media, history, literature, sexual culture in Japan, or the process of writing a story. Everything that influences Kishi's storytelling. Facts are facts. One can't just unsee them, and if one is doing it anyway, well how can I take them seriously? Just an embarrassing, silly fangirl who cannot take constructive criticism, who can't be objective no matter what information she is given, and knowingly perpetuates dogma, bigotry and misinformation about sexuality and its portrayal in media, who also blocked me (as did all her cohorts) after I published my post about her. Even though I have never interacted with her blog. Or any other Sasuke stan for that matter. Lol. Maybe they just don't want me to see their content.

Just understand this, anyone who vehemently denies Sasuke and Naruto's romantic relationship or who makes it their life mission to prove Sasuke and Naruto as straight, is simply a homophobe. Bigots of the first order. They know it's romantic but their conditioning and prejudice stops them from being reflexive. Which they haven't been able to break, evidently. You can try to be reasonable but at the end of the day, they aren't here for logic or reason or the art of storytelling. They are here to write Sasuke het smut and self insert into any girl so they could have Sasuke fuck them in their imagination. The understanding that Sasuke is gay would not be conducive to their fapping. So they just bypass that altogether and spread misinformation and bigotry like they have done here.

[leportraitducadavre]

I deleted the reblog but the casual transphobia of the Hinata fandom when speaking about Sakura's body baffles me, are you seriously willing to go to such lengths in order to defend a 2D character whose entire relevance rests upon being the stalker of the main character?

You can't call yourself feminists nor expect a feminist critique of your favorite character if you're not willing to conduct yourselves with the same levels of respect, you buffoons!

Body-shaming is never okay but, in this specific case, I don't think this is comparative to the simple idea of "body-shaming" because the comparison is not only about Sakura and/or Sarada's "masculinized" body but also to the use of the term "trans prostitute" in a pejorative manner and as a way of categorizing trans identity in conjunction with sexually exploitative work.

This is done in order to diminish the relevance of trans identities by linking them to the idea of "boys" and "masculinized body types" as opposed to the notion of "feminized body types" (as if women are standardized individuals and anything outside of that curvy body type you lot love to associate Hinata with, is somehow masculine), while at the same time tying them to sex-work, which is an archetype and a job that the trans community has not only been pushed into but also attempts to disassociate itself from.

[anubisthe1]

"Omg sakura haruno has so much potention!!"

Just go to ao3 babe, just go to the ff zone where others write her to be likeable. Dont talk to me about canon sakura when her biggest hater its her own author.

[badgalsasuke]

The beauty, the beast and the prince

Quiet as it's kept and despite their rampant homophobia, Sasusaku shippers have a lot in common with a particular brand of fujoshis. The type of fujoshis that like to read bl manhwas that have been trending over the past few years like Jinx, Painter of The Night, Low Tide in the Twilight and Pearl Boy, to name a few.

And I say they're similar because of the way they engage with the text, the type of characters and tropes they expect and the outcome/finale of the series they feel entitled to.

If you've been in the Naruto fandom for a long time then you've probably have realized that SS shippers don't hate/resent Sasuke because he mistreated Sakura, their feelings are a bit more complicated than that. I must clarify I'm talking exclusively of SS shippers, not Sakura stans who may hate Sasuke simply because of the way he treats Sakura and decide to ship her with someone else.

First, SS shippers interpret Sasuke and Sakura's story together to be a dark romance and this is the appeal of the ship because whether the ship is mlm or f/m women love a dark romance, they love a bad boy/good girl type of ship and they love a ship that has its highs and lows as they see the "development" of it. If you're on tiktok, specifically BookTok you already know this.

So, it's not the mistreatment of Sakura at the hands of Sasuke what bothers SS shippers. It's the fact that Sasuke never rewards Sakura for putting up with his behaviour. Let me explain, when you're reading a dark romance the male whether he's straight or a gay top will put the woman or the gay bottom through humilliating or straight up abusive circumstances and behaviours which can be insults, physical assault like slaps or yanking them and dragging them around, and even torture or rape. The woman/bottom will endure all of this because they're pure of heart, they claim to know who the male character really is, they believe love conquers all, etc., etc.

And it is through their unconditional love that they manage to warm the cold heart of their loved one.

Take for example, Painter of the Night. The top Seungho is a rich Korean aristocrat who uses his position of power to put the bottom, Nakyum who is a painter through abuse during the entire series. Seungho rapes Nakyum several times, he physically assaults him i.e. slapping him, he coerces him into doing things Nakyum doesn't feel comfortable like having sex in a tailor's workshop and because Seungho is Nakyum's patron, Nakyum is completely dependant on Seungho for everything which stops Nakyum from escaping when he has the chance. Nakyum is at Seungho's mercy. All of this is ignored by the fans because Seungho slowly but certainly has a change of heart, he's a man who was traumatized as a child, which apparently justifies everything he does, and it is because of Nakyum's gentle and tender love that Seungho realizes he, himself, can love again. So in the end, after everything they go through, Seungho falls deeply in love with Nakyum and they both live happily ever after.

Other example is Low Tide in The Twilight, where the bottom Euihyun has a huge debt he cannot pay so the top Taeju basically uses this to force Euihyun to live in one his properties and constantly rapes him. In the end, after so much shit happens, Taeju falls in love with Euihyun and they also live happily ever after.

So, going back to Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura don't have their happily ever after after all the insults, humilliation and even psychological torture Sasuke subjects Sakura to. Sakura is not rewarded for putting up with this once they become adults and get married. Instead we get a Sasuke that broke his promise about coming back so they could travel together "next time", that's a total deadbeat, that continues to reject her advances, that doesn't worry about her when she's in danger and has no issues in abandoning her and their child for 12 years. And this is what pisses off SS shippers.

SS shippers expected Sakura and Sasuke to have an ending similar to the one of Nakyum and Seungho and I'm sure they thought they were gonna get it after Sasuke apologizes to Sakura.

Dark romances are all about the beauty and the beast archetypes. The beauty is punished by the beast until the beast finds her worthy enough to get the prince. The prince will give her a castle, a family, his total unconditional devotion and a happily ever after. Sasuke doesn't do this for Sakura, he never transforms into the prince, so SS shippers feel wronged. They've been rooting for them for so long expecting Sakura to get what they believe she deserves. To see Sasuke remain the beast is a slap in the face for Sakura and SS shippers. This is why they also love Sasuke Shinden and Retsuden, Sasuke is filled with guilt for what he did to Sakura when they were young which is usually expected in this type of romance stories.

But canon Sasuke written by Kishimoto doesn't care at all about any of that. I'm not surprised why so many SS shippers fantisize about Sakura beating the shit out of Sasuke, how dare he not acknowledge her for what she's been through for him!

[lunaneko14]

Sakura fans : Sakura is the greatest female in Shonen. She ain't a nepo baby. She worked hard to achieve everything.

Me : Sakura got everything spoon fed to her by Tsunade. She's a crybaby who cries pathetically for Sasuke all the time.

Sakura fans : How's that different from Hinata crying for Boruto in the Manga ?

So Now they wanna compare a Worried Mother crying for her son's safety to a Psychotic Maniac lady who cries for a genocide survivor Boy not loving her ?? They sure can't Pic a panel of Hinata begging or crying for Naruto coz such panels don't exist . So they paint her as a crybaby when she worries about her son.

Their Fandom is Beyond Cooked lol.

It is. And it’s beyond pathetic.

The manga will always prove the opposite because even Sakura herself said it:

She called herself PITIFUL

Like they can’t get mad when people call Sakura as Kishimoto wrote.

[maoam]

Naruhinas who see one anti-sakura post from me and immediately hit follow are funny.

In their minds, if someone doesn't like Sakura, they must be NH stan and Hinata stan.

Well I'm not, Hinata is not a likeable character either and NH sucks. NH and SS fighting over which ships sucks less is just pathetic to me...

Naruto sleeps on the couch, Sasuke sleeps in the woods, who cares.

[madara-fate]

This maybe an unpopular opinion mostly with anti which I think are a vocal minority,but I honestly think that Kishi did a great job with the pairings and ships they make sense and the clever use of red herrings because they till this day still have fans crying about their sunk ships, also the whole NH vs SS and NS is so ridiculous like I swear both pairings were sister ships at one point, not that they have to like each other but feels like a ridiculous contest and competition they don't clash with one another nor compete in anyway. NS was always stirring up bs against SS so I find it doubly weird that SS fans always defend it in my opinion, seems like it's Fanon Hinata stans vs Fanon Sakura stans bunch of self inserts who don't understand the characters they claim to be fans of just bias and petty wannabe mean girl shit.

I honestly think that Kishi did a great job with the pairings and ships they make sense

At the very least, the ships definitely make sense. Perhaps the execution could have been a little better, but they make sense.

also the whole NH vs SS and NS is so ridiculous like I swear both pairings were sister ships at one point, not that they have to like each other but feels like a ridiculous contest and competition they don't clash with one another nor compete in anyway.

They were indeed "sister ships" at one point. But then the stupid Sakura vs Hinata wars seeped into their ship preferences and destroyed whatever surface level alliance NH and SS seemed to have. You're 100% correct that neither the characters nor the ships clash or compete in any way, but this asinine fandom just loves to turn everything into some form of petty competition.

NS was always stirring up bs against SS so I find it doubly weird that SS fans always defend it in my opinion, seems like it's Fanon Hinata stans vs Fanon Sakura stans bunch of self inserts who don't understand the characters they claim to be fans of just bias and petty wannabe mean girl shit.

Pretty much. I've come across plenty of Sakura fans falsely describing themselves as SS fans and it's honestly rather annoying.