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horizon-verizon · 10 months ago
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ncssian · 1 year ago
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there’s something so insidious and sinister about provoking and provoking and provoking people into violence and then immediately condemning them for that violence and using it to justify ur hatred for them… talking shit about “well there’s no excuse” “this is who they really are” i hope a wasps nest falls on your head sometime this week
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horizon-verizon · 2 years ago
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No, not really "on the surface".
LINK to @rhaenyragendereuphoria's post about feminism and Rhaenyra's story
LINK TO @brideoffires 's post about the effect of Rhaenyra's loss on Westerosi women at large, since I do not intend to make this a long reblog.
House of the Dragon is skeetering on the edge of a really fascinating conversation in its portrayal of Alicent and Rhaenyra — the promises of feudalism to women.
On the surface, Rhaenyra looks a bit like a feminist hero. She is a woman, demanding and asserting power in a patriarchal world that would deny her the crown on account of her gender. But if you look any deeper, it quickly becomes apparent Rhaenyra is not advocating for any real change. She is not reflecting any further on the oppressive nature of feudalism beyond how it affects her. She does not argue that succession changes should be widespread or shows no concern with the general treatment of women in the Seven Kingdoms, even the women directly before her, such as Rhaenys and Alicent.
The very nature of Rhaenyra’s “birthright” cannot be disentangled from the patriarchal system she supposedly is challenging. It assumes that the men who used force and subjugation were legitimate in claiming power. For Rhaenyra to be queen, it necessitates the belief that the passing over of Rhaenys was valid, and Viserys had the absolute authority to name his own heir, expanding the power imbalance between the king and his subjects.
And then we have Alicent Hightower, the embodiment of what a feudal noblewoman should be. Feudalism denies women direct access to power and, in exchange, promises them that if they are loyal and obedient, they will be given respect, dignity, and security. Their husbands will be their protectors. They are promised a safe, predictable transfer of power from their husband to their eldest son, ensuring them a place with the new generation.
Alicent does everything her society tells her she must, but she is denied the benefits. Her husband largely ignores her and her children. He is meant to be their protector, but when her son suffers a horrific injury, Viserys shows no concern, no interest in accountability. She is not even assured the one promise of security any other queen would be granted—namely, that her eldest son become king.
For Rhaenyra to gain direct access to the patriarchal, oppressive power held by feudalism, she has to rip away the security feudalism promises to Alicent. It’s a horrible, awful system, and goes to show how difficult changing things truly is in any meaningful sense.
#Alicent Hightower#team green thoughts#house of the dragon#hotd#fire and blood#rhaenyra and alicent#westerosi feudalism#feudalism#rhaenyra targaryen#rhaenyra and feminism#asoiaf fandom#hotd neutrals#anti neutrality#alicent is denied the benefits because she was a woman and women always lose in a patriarchy but to assume that because rhaenyra isnt#a feminist nor could bring anout the change you want to see immeditaely is to deny that her story is still a feminist one#because Alicent unlike Rhaenyra does not choose to do a single thing that is not complaint to patriarchy while rhaenyra does#feudalism may suck but even women jave a choice and alicent chose wrong#when we talk about how alicent could not reap any bendit from her compliance we should conclude that that sort of compliance is utlinately#self destructive because what is being asked of a woman (the ideal behaviors) are all already oppressive#so of course alicent loses even though rhaenyra does too#but rhaenyra loses because alicent took it upon herself to try to gainsay and weaken rhaenyra for alicent's own benefit#and i am not talking about her protecting her kids#if she truly just wanted to protect her kids and that was it she would not antagonize a person who could easily put down a rebellion if her#siblings do not get in her way (but they did because Alicent decided to tuen them against her)#the aystem may suck but if you go around being overly compliant and then trying to bring other women down along with you by using#patriarchal precepts of female behavior to condemn their modes of taking back power even vilifying them for it#all youre doing is ensuring your own sociopolicial setback and the set back of other women in Westeros#because that is the other thing#rhaenyra doesnt have to be a feminist in order to be the new precedent for women in hight and active politcal positions
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bewareofdeaddove · 1 year ago
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Once you start harassing people over their tastes in fiction, you've gone too far.
You should not be sending anon hate.
You should not be telling people to kill themselves.
You should not be contacting people's family members, job, or school.
You should not be sending people gore.
You should not be telling people that they deserve their trauma.
You should not be attacking people over liking something fictional. At that point, you're the problem. Not the person making things you don't like, YOU. Harassment is never acceptable.
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dearestdrearilygirl · 2 months ago
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"ugh proshippers and antishippers are both sooo immature like shipping discourse is sooo stupid like i'm neitherrrr like why would you even want to engage with that"
I've seen antishippers unironically say and agree with eachother on the following opinions: being a proshipper means people should be allowed to bully you. proshippers make them believe in eugenics. proshippers all belong in jail. being a proshipper means people can send you death and rape threats because "you deserve it". being a proshipper should be basis for taking away someone's human rights or at least put them on a watchlist.
I'm not a proshipper because i care too much about fictional ships, I'm a proshipper because antishippers sent my friends threats for liking certain ships. I'm a proshipper because i believe i shouldn't have my human rights taken away or be bullied or in jail just for liking a fucking ship. If you believe ship discourse is stupid and immature, then you probably believe people shouldn't be thrown in jail for it.
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crazycatsiren · 4 months ago
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Fat disabled people: I love you and you are valuable, you deserve to be heard and taken seriously by medical professionals without having to lose weight.
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vivisecti · 2 months ago
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if you talk about diets/calories in front of children i HATE you
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ghost-of-a-system · 4 months ago
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mildly exaggerated but this happens sometimes and it's funni
lil memes are fun to draw, we might try to do more in the future because a lot of dumb stuff happens to us that makes us laugh LOL it'll make up for all the complaining we do on this blog /j
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wolf-tail · 7 months ago
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I love fat people more than you are capable of hating them. Choke on it.
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horizon-verizon · 2 years ago
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A few counterarguments:
"BIASED IN UNIVERSE HISTORICAL ACCOUNT OF THE DANCE OF THE DRAGONS" = / = all the information is suspect (ages, dates, physical descriptions, who was where when this happened [Daemon being in the Stepstones when Rhea dies vs him traveling on a huge, noticeable dragon to kill her are very two, oppositional, different things], etc.)
"Daemon is an asshole and a sociopath, and yall are shocked he choked Rhaenyra out of frustration?" --- Apart from what I already said abt him being in the Stepstone when Rhea died in the bks and how we could use reason to say Rhea absolutely died of a horse accident bc those happened/happen a lot, Daemon never ever tried to run roughshod over Rhaenyra's authority in the bk, and w/the greens and their supporters def trying to sully Rhaenyra's name, you'd think that if Daemon actually wither cheated on her or disrespected her they'd would spread this info like wildfire....and yet in the 10 yrs [book] or 6 yrs [show] they are married, nothing of the sort comes...yes they had always had a fulfilling marriage where Daemon would have never thought to put a hand on Rhaenyra. the showrunners, however, have bad reading skills or genuinely thought domestic abuse would make Daemon & Rhaenyra more interesting, which should tell us something about them, huh, since they claim they are "adapting" this story
adapting a story means that you are taking the core characterizations and events and recreating them on the screen WITHOUT making changes that redirect the entire plot or severely change characters. "Adaptations" are meant to bring what is already there to life AND in this case, run with what is known and fill in the blanks in lieu of what we know.
also, the idea that Daemon can beat his wife and then claim to be a protector of said wife (which is his literal purpose, GRRM explicitly stated that he created Daemon for Rhaenyra) is seriously detrimental to a feminist narrative and really excuses/invalidates domestic abuse aside form it just being a self-contradiction
"Aemond is all bravado and pent up childhood rage. He has never known real fucking battle. Of course he loses control of his dragon and accidentally kills someone!" --- In nearly all of the instances of young Targs/Targ descents going itno battle and never having gone into battle before, there has abt two isntances: Aerea & Alysanne...the first was a kid under 10, desperate to leave her suppressive mother and the other is magical, not Alysanne making a fumble. Targaryens "90%" of the time have a great "control" (it's more likely a partnership) with their dragons...Dany is an exception bc she is literally learnign w/o any of the context and passed-down knowledge that the rest of her dragonriding fam would have had.
Besides that, if Aemond truly knew that he could have had lost control over his dragon, it makes little sense for him to try to go after Luke and NOT intend to actually kill him, bc if he intended that, he wouldn't really care abt the control of his dragon. And yet, Condal wants us to beleive this was an "accident", that Aemond--after years of riding Vhagar, since it is yrs after episode 7--decided to go after Luke, chase him for what seemed to be at least 5 minutes, knowing full well that his control over the dragon is suspect...and also expected to not casue an accident that he wants to avoid? Contradictory, inconsistent, and illogical writing, even if we remove the part abt Targs usually having control over their dragons in the canon main timeline
"Rhaenyra is weak for not attacking first? EVEN AEGON DIDN'T WANT WAR. NOBODY WANTED THE WAR THAT IS THE BOTTOMLINE. WAR WOULD RUIN EVERYTHING AND THEY ALL KNEW THAT" --- Yes, show!Rhaenyra is weak, but not for attacking first so much as only wanting the throne bc her dad said so instead of wanting the throne for herself and taking said opportunity AND actually believing in Alicent's ineffectual word over Otto's ambition and control of her...we saw how Otto lead the talks with Vaemond, the sidelining they subject Alicent to and the Driftmark claim "audience". We saw how easy it was to manipulate Alicent when Otto said Rhaenyra was the danger instead of the man who pimped her out. Rhaenyra heard Alicent defend Otto's act of having her followed despite her heir status and her being Viserys, not Otto's charge/a princess of the blood. It would be very stupid of Rhaenyra to believe or throw hope into Alicent having the power or will against Otto that ensures safety for her and her kids. If we want to reduce it to "safety for me and kids".
there was always going to be a war because the greens usurped the throne, end of story. A usurpation is never met with both/all sides getting out of it wholly as they were before that usurping and that goes towards life AND resources or reputation. Look through history. Otto would never let go that Rhaenyra--the person explicitly named heir AND having people give their literal oaths to protect her birthright--has a strong claim to the throne...really the one that has the most weight against the candidate he wants and has already used, which is Aegon. What was happening in the green council epi 9 (or what was supposed to happen instead of Alicent looking confused, forlorn, and helpless), when they sent out letters to various lords, was to get ahead of Rhaenyra and ahead of the inevitable war so that they may force Rhaenyra into being the one to start the actual fighting. Otto of the show/Otto and Alicent of the book would have never felt safe or assured of their "win" with Rhaenyra still alive.
Also, the greens very much wanted a war. Canonically, they could have just left well enough alone, no one was after them and Rhaenyra had no actual true threats other than them. Alicent gunned for the throne for herself and her son ever since she married Viserys and birthed Aegon. The texts of Princess and the Queen/F&B both explicitly state that both women wanted to the the "first lady", alicent turned against Rhaenyra as soon as she had Aegon and Viserys dismissed Otto, and she makes remarks about Criston and child-Rhaenyra's closeness. By how often she had remarks or rumored remarks like these, it's not at all far from reason to assume that this is her character. She fully believes that war was worth it for her to rise to power as Rhaenyra did, but she was on the offensive from the get-go. It shows her ambition, which isn't bad, but if the show decides to totally remove this ambition in favor of sexual abuse and illogical behavior, then the show is at fault for writing sexist storylines and characterizations. Why can't a woman be ambitious and want war for her own rise in a patriarchal world? Why the moralization, what is bad about portraying women wanting power? Women are just as capable of destroying people around them for power, it's not a gendered trait. To make a woman an always-victim and then saying that she deserves to hurt other women bc of said abuse, however, is making the argument that women are only sympathetic when they are victims and ambitious.
Let me just get straight to the point since yall are getting on my last nerve:
Fire and Blood is a BIASED IN UNIVERSE HISTORICAL ACCOUNT OF THE DANCE OF THE DRAGONS. COMPARING IT TO THE TV SHOW IS STUPID. "Oh Alicent/Daemon/Rhaenyra/everyone else is supposed to be like this cus in the book—" SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU'RE FUCKING ANNOYING
Daemon is an asshole and a sociopath, and yall are shocked he choked Rhaenyra out of frustration? The guy who mercilessly killed his 1st wife? The guy who lured his young niece to a brothel to ruin her reputation then bailed halfway? I'm sorry but nobody told you to put this guy on any moral high ground. He can love his family AND still be as toxic as a nuclear plant
Aemond is all bravado and pent up childhood rage. He has never known real fucking battle. Of course he loses control of his dragon and accidentally kills someone! That's what happens when you give a teenager a seasoned sentient weapon of mass destruction!!! The way yall paint him as this merciless killer aren't getting the nuance this show wants to present! These kids were not MADE FOR WAR
Rhaenyra is weak for not attacking first? EVEN AEGON DIDN'T WANT WAR. NOBODY WANTED THE WAR THAT IS THE BOTTOMLINE. WAR WOULD RUIN EVERYTHING AND THEY ALL KNEW THAT. Yall are playing into the same damn pattern of misogyny when Daemon and all the other men in the room were so eager to question and negate Rhaenyra's every command
The show has genuine flaws but these are just so annoying to hear over and fucking over. The whole goddamn point of the show is that the Dance was fucking avoidable. If only Rhaenys was crowned instead of Viserys. If only Viserys didn't marry a child. If only he actually loved and cared for his children w/ Alicent. If only he stood firm and faced the internal conflicts brewing in the family head on. If only both sides didn't sow the seeds of animosity between their children. If only Otto didn't poison Alicent's mind with paranoia and a false sense of moral righteousness.
The Dance was avoidable. That's why it's a tragedy. Both sides genuinely believe in the justification of their actions. Everyone's mistakes built on each other until they were too big to fix.
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redditreceipts · 4 months ago
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horizon-verizon · 5 months ago
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Ryan Condal, Miguel Sapochnik and Sara Hess are repulsive centrists and liberals who vomited all over a story about misogyny destroying a woman’s life to woobify and whitewashe a sex offender who committed femicide and turned into into “akshly both sides are bad”.
We had a story depicting how Rhaenyra dealt with misogyny from the Greens and hideous misogynistic slurs from her brothers insulting her genitals and calling her a “whore” every two seconds, now we have those violent male misogynists whitewashed and called “misunderstood” or bullied”.
The truth is that a lot of writers are like this in the industry and thus there's a lot of sexistly-written media that aren't overt or intentionally that way in the mainstream--has been for years--but my issue w/HotD is that:
this is quite obviously a tale about the consequences of male mobilized violence against a women who wants to have the same/similar powers and autonomy in her society as a man, so yes it'd be conducive for a person who knows, understands, and is willing to really lean into the very basic existence of misogyny being the reason how/why Rhaenyra loses & Dany ends up a bridal slave to a totally different people WITHOUT also leaving Rhaenyra to be so emotionally un-defiant
the writers claimed that they were feminist-ly writing and adapting the tale, when most of the decisions they made are very much not...esp sexist
they refuse to really display GRRM's style of fantasy--plus that fantasy deserves to be fantasy, no matter who's watching--is not grim dark but more like 80s fanciful maximalism...there's a way to "modernize" that without sacrificing the touch of color, visual grace, light!
Rhaenyra is already heavily maligned as to encourage the sexism against her or to justify the patriarchal violence done to her. as well as reinforce the idea of men-only sociopolitical rule and domination over most other people in a hierarchy....
Like, any story but this one....
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fight-nights-at-freddys · 1 month ago
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I hate these posts.
either you are AGAINST the idea of thought-crimes, or you're not. just bc someone's a paraphile does NOT make them any kind of offender. being proship, you almost HAVE to be pro-(anti contact) para, because part of being proship is recognizing that your imagination also can't hurt anyone.
ignoring all that, though, the other glaring issue is that these are the exact arguments antis make towards us. calling people predators with no proof, saying paras should "keep it private", that paras are trying to "groom" people into believing their paraphilias are good. replace "paras" with "proshippers" and you've got the same dumb arguments WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR YEARS.
EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT, what happened to using the block button? why do y'all forget all about that as soon as it's a paraphile, or at minimum, someone you DEEM to be a paraphile. y'all are no better than the people you are against.
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itsgivingfaggot · 7 months ago
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One thing I find really exhausting about being transmasc is how often people just sort of like. Assume we dont experience something regarding transphobia, like, collectively, none of us do? That somehow the world treats every transmasc with love and care and respect.
Like recently saw someone talk about how nonbinary transfems have to be really feminine to have the transfem part respected, their pronouns respected, instead of being treated as "basically a cis guy". I was all on board and excited to see someone talk about this phenomenon until it had the added attitude towards the end of "this is a transfem issue specifically. People only do this to transfems"
I typed out a paragraph right here showing examples of this happening to transmascs as well including irl experience of this shit from fucking last month but you know what? Fuck that. If you really wanna act like this doesnt exist then either you dont interact with any transmascs, in which case you're not gonna see this anyways. And if you do interact with us you've most likely seen plenty of examples of this and just chosen to ignore it, in which case me listing some more of this shit wouldnt change that anyways.
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banj0possum · 7 months ago
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Sweet Hero Of Mine
Yandere! Antihero x GN! Hero! Reader
im back little stinkers <333
Edit!! Nsfw mentions removed! Replaced with..Elias being a dork ?
CW: Stalking, Creep behavior, Suggestive talk about reader, slight masochism
🪲 Elias was never into the whole Superhero thing.
🪲 He hated the constant swarming of reporters and fans screaming for his attention. He didn't want to be treated like a celebrity; he just wants to fight crime where people refuse to help.
🪲 That's why he avoided ever displaying himself like that. He preferred to stay in the shadows and kept his deeds out of the picture, but there are always rats scurrying around ready for another big scoop.
🪲 He could only scoff amusingly as he sees his little escapade last night being reported on tv with a blurry photo of him on the rooftops with the words "Mysterious Vigilante Strikes Again!"
🪲 He can admit, seeing them being so absorbed in what he does is pretty entertaining, he can feel his ego go up a bit.
🪲 Soon enough he gets tired of the incessant yap of interviewees talking about him and reaches for the remote.
🪲 His body freezes though when the reporter mentions some 'new hero' and he turns back to the TV.
🪲 His eyes are blessed with the cutest sight of a person dressed in a hero outfit with a logo on their chest. Their warm smile seems to radiate happiness as they talk to the reporter. Is this the new hero they've been talking about recently?
🪲 They ask for their opinion on the vigilante situation and he almost melts over their soft voice.
🪲 "I believe this guy has good intentions. Which is great and all but if it's endangering people and their properties, I think it's time they think about how running around and punching people in a suit isn't being heroic, it's being obnoxious!"
🪲 There goes his ego..
🪲 And perhaps his clean pants..
🪲 He starts researching all about this new hero. Who do they think they are?! This little brat has to be taught a lesson!
🪲 He stalks your social media, every fan account, every news atricl about your deeds, everything.
🪲 For for blackmail of course! Maybe he can find some dirt on you..in this fan account that makes thirst edits of you..
🪲 Soon enough he starts tracking you and your appearances. Every fight with a villain or any burning building with people that need saving, he's there with a high-grade camera that can snap all the rips and tears in your suit...for blackmail!
🪲 He's real happy that he wore a trench coat to your most recent battle or else everyone would have probably seen his growing boner whenever you throw a punch that connected to your opponent.
🪲 He's combing through the photos he took of you and shivers over your sweaty form and aggressive face.
🪲 He imagines meeting you, perhaps having a battle of his own, being pinned down by you, having your arms grappling and squeezing on his body. Perhaps you'd even say something degrading to him with that sweet voice of yours..
🪲 So that's what he does.
🪲 You were doing some last-minute night patrols after a long day of crime fighting and interviews when you hear a deep gravelly voice behind you.
🪲 "Hey there hero~"
🪲 You look back and see a large muscular man in a suit that looked like the armor of some insect.
🪲 "Huh, didn't expect to meet you here vigilante!" I joke.
🪲 "Oh please, call me Beetle~" He smirks as he walks closer to you. God you're even cuter in person..
🪲 "Well, Beetle, you are aware that you're kinda sorta wanted for a lotta stuff right?"
🪲 "Is it worse than the shit those pieces of scum done? Unlike youre pretty little ass I'm actually gettin bad guys off the streets.~" He teases, putting a hand on the wall and leaning close to your face. He's trying not to swoon over your stern face.
🪲 "Unlike you, I'm keeping people safe! Although I do commend your...unique sense of justice.."
🪲 *internal squealing*
🪲 He's a little surprised that you're so nice, unlike some other douchey heroes he knows.
🪲 He lets out a chuckle "That's new..Thanks goody-two-shoes.."
🪲 You give him a teasing face "Hey I'm not that much of an angel!"
🪲 "Oh~? Well o me you are, sweet hero of mine~"
🪲 You two become quick friends, even having missions together.
🪲 His obsession got worse from there.
🪲 Riding in your superhero vehicle, he rarely looks anywhere but at you driving, explaining to him the mission that he barely cares about other than the fact that it's an excuse to be with you.
🪲 Every time you take his hand to lead him somewhere, he makes sure to burn the feeling into his mind. Oftentimes he's the one doing whatever it takes to have physical contact with you, but it's way better whenever you initiate it.
🪲 You love taking pictures together. Of course he never smiles when you take one but when he's back at home, he's staring at it with the biggest, goofiest grin.
🪲 He loves taking pictures too, only he prefers ones with you and you alone. Sometimes it would be things you like so he wouldn't forget.
🪲 You blush, flattered over him remembering your favorite drink.
🪲 He'd memorize anything you say and put it in a top secret file named "My Love"
🪲 Oh my god please degrade him jokingly.
🪲 Bully him, push him around, be playfully rough with him!! Sure it's all in good fun but he's feeding his guilty pleasure whenever you treat him like shit while also being so sweet to him.
🪲 Pull him down suddenly by his suit's collar whenever you want to whisper something to him or show him something, he loves it. Although be warned, he might moan a little..
🪲 He's crazy for you, insane even, bonkers almost!!
🪲 He comes home seeing you in a superhero gala at one of the fanciest buildings in the city.
🪲 The bone-breaking grip on his beer bottle almost cracks the bottle when he sees you being accompanied by some other hero.
🪲 They're being all close with you and making you laugh, he can feel his jealousy rise within his body at the sight of your adorable smile, one that wasn't because of his jokes, his company!
🪲 Maybe it's about time he gives this superhero thing a try..
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lycandrophile · 9 months ago
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i absolutely cannot believe people are trying to start discourse about whether nex benedict was actually nonbinary / whether it was okay for him to describe himself as nonbinary to some people if he didn’t actually identify that way as if he isn’t literally DEAD because he was KILLED. this is a MURDERED CHILD and these monsters are so busy getting mad at the possibility that he might have been a trans boy who described himself as nonbinary to his family because that was easier for them to take that they’re turning a CHILD who was MURDERED into fucking discourse. even when we die at the hands of cis people’s violence, our own community finds a way to make us the villains of the story.
and all of this bullshit on top of the ways that cis people are already trying to say our grief over his death is unjustified. all of this on top of people claiming he wasn’t murdered and speculating on other causes of death (i literally saw someone say he “clearly went home and took the coward’s way out” and i have never been more disgusted) or claiming that he started the fight as if any action on his part could’ve been enough to justify his death. i am haunted by the sound of his father screaming that his child was not filth because that is what people have been saying about this poor kid, that’s how cruelly his memory is being treated, and even the trans community can’t get it’s shit together enough to look past the stupid discourse and see the tragedy in front of us. did you all forget that it was supposed to be up to us to grieve him in the way he deserves when the rest of the world fails to care if people like him live or die? did you all forget that this child was our sibling, the future of our community, a life that we should have had the chance to know and treasure while he was still here but that we now have a responsibility to hold close to our hearts in his absence? nex’s life was precious and it was ended far too soon and if you truly believe that anything is more important than mourning his life and fighting for a world where no more trans people have to meet such an awful fate, you’re a traitor to this community and you do not deserve the place you occupy within it.
i’m so tired. i can’t even imagine how tired his family must be, to see the public treat the child they’re grieving so horribly, to see the world fail their baby again. leave him alone. he was already robbed of peace in life; the least you can do is let him finally have it in death.
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