#anti hb

[fandomcritical]

why i dislike stolas more than catra (& angel dust for one part)

inspired by this video (watching it will help everything make more sense)

so, i'm a massive catra fan, and as any of us would know, our fav gets trashed on a lot. often these points are valid, even if i disagree, but usually i find i can argue them. therefore, i get how much it hurts when yours is under that same spotlight. that's why i'll try to say this respectfully, and don't hold anything against stolas stans who still love his character.

while watching, i impulsively made notes comparing stolas to catra in terms of how they treat their partners and how well their character arcs grow. keep in mind, this is entirely my very biased personal opinion (especially considering i think galxe (the op on yt) is/would be a catra anti, and it may be hypocritical but i'm okay with owning that. here's what i noticed, just to get my thoughts out somewhere:

stolas apologizes repeatedly for his mistakes, but never improves his behavior; catra apologizes and although she relapses back into her old ways occasionally throughout s5, she does try her best to be better and works on being a better person over time, which does happen

stolas complains ungratefully when moxxie & millie save his life at loo-loo land that it wasn't blitzo and nothing comes out of it; catra lashes out yelling at adora for saving her from prime's control on the ship (granted, she did order her not to come for her own safety), but she corrects that mindset later in the episode and begs adora to stay out of forgiveness (also, if you choose to count the showrunner's official "don't go" work as canon*, it's much more explicitly stated that catra regrets her actions and will make up for them)

stolas is neglectful of octavia and puts his selfish needs over her own deserved time from home with him despite the event in question being his idea; catra pushes away scorpia, but at least is shown to put effort towards working with and protecting her (such as lying about the missing/"broken" recorded tapes) ─ this does not mention entrapta, because while the same can be said about her (namely keeping her away from hordak's lab before she befriended him), it can't be overlooked that catra wrongfully sent her to beast island in a panic

stolas views his relationship as transactional, and anything nice he does for blitzo, as simple as loaning an important book, should be returned as a sexual favor; catra's expectations were reasonable considering she was under the impression that a promise had been made to her and was consequently broken ─ also, on another note, catra expectantly sacrificed her life, or at least free will, to save glimmer and believed she would get nothing out of it, not even ever seeing adora again

stolas's only personality trait is sexually harassing blitzo and he doesn't even have any motivation behind it, not even an explanation over an excuse, except maybe pleasure; angel dust does this within the first four episodes of hazbin hotel out of trauma and projection, but stops after "masquerade"

a little less serious, but stolas is always infantilizing and talks in that cringe babying tone; best match i can think of for catra is that time in the northern reach when she taunts "looks like you're mine now, adora" but at least her drawl is more seductive than infantilizing

even if catra can be considered abusive, it's clear that there's a whole story and a lot of emotional baggage behind why regarding feelings of betrayal & revenge (which adds to the motivation point above); if stolas is abusive, then it's entirely a power trip and there's nothing deeper into it; he's just, as blitzo puts it, a rich pompous asshole who sees lower-class citizens of hell as playthings for his entertainment (i mean, hell, that's literally how their friendship even started as kids through "buying" a circus actor, whereas catra & adora's was bonding over having each other throughout a hard life and seeing each other as equals when shadow weaver didn't)

there's probably plenty more i could add that i'm just not thinking of currently. it can be fairly said that both stolas and catra are quite... possessive, and talk(ed) down to blitzo/adora all the time. this is a negative trait that they share. also, antis of both have made the argument that if these were M/F relationships, people in general would absolutely see a lot more wrong with them.

as long as you can be respectful and avoid coming across as condescending, i'm open to learning other opinions from you!

*i have seen nate's artwork be criticized as if it's true to the show, so i suppose that writing was a fair proposal too

[cookies-in-chees]

Sorry about posting more Helluva boss discourse on main but I find it so funny when people are like “I love edgy content but helluva boss is way to edgy” or “helluva Boss is so problematic and offensive I hate it” because what are you even talking about Helluva boss is NOT edgy.

Outside of the swearing and references to sex (things that are not really that edgy) it plays very safe.

Listen family guy is way more edgy then helluva boss and family guy is the most whole sale milk toast basic bitch adult cartoon ever. In fact you could name any joke in helluva boss that you find “problematic” and I will find a joke that is worse in family guy and family guy is on cable tv and is owned by disney

[jaxters]

Still not over Ozzie's having a giant circus tent on top for Fizz. 😭💖

I don't even care if it was Ozzie or Fizzarolli's idea. It just emphasizes that the club belongs to both of them.

[atlasrainerot]

I drew @lovesart23 ‘s Stella & Octavia redesigns because I love them a lot~ (+ hate V*vziepop’s horrendous treatment of women in her shows :) ~🦢🦉💖

[jadeverse-asks]

I still have huuuuuge problems with Apology Tour and this show's current state in general-

Take an anti canon!Stolas meme before I logoff for the night lmao

[feelingemotjons]

Viv is one of those women who say "girls support girls" and yet she'd still make fun of a fat girl or a disabled girl because they don't fit her Lana del ray coquette aesthetic

[ms-cartoon]

I like Verosika, but one thing I didn't like is how her entire character revolves around hating Blitzo. Every time she's shown on screen, it's her ridiculing Blitzo and expressing how much she hates him. Viv made her out to be the majority of these female characters whose main reason for existing is for us to sympathize with the male characters or in Millie's case, only existing to support the male characters.

I mean-- This girl threw a whole effing party dedicated to hating her ex!! Does that not sound like she's obsessed?? I'm not saying she has no right to hate him, and I am in no way trying to defend Blitzo, but she really needs to get over it. All I'm saying is I want her to have some character outside of Blitzo or what she had going on with him in the past.

Speaking of said party; There was a concerning amount of people that were there, all of whom are explicitly invited as people who Blitzo screwed over at one point in time (unless I'm wrong, please correct me if I am) How was Blitzo associated with all of these people!!! They're not really ALL his exes right???

And how did Verosika even know Blitzo had a certain relationship with those demons? And how does she know that Stolas wasn't on good terms with Blitzo at the moment so she gave him an invitation? Stolas and Blitzo were never even boyfriends; their relationship was solely based on exchange.

[tooningin]

I finished suffering the new HB episode (Apology Tour Edition)

-Less than five minutes in I already wanted to deck Stolas in the face. He’s getting all pissed off and butthurt that Blitz doesn’t like him even THOUGH HE HAS EVERY REASON TO. BITCH CONSTANTLY DEMEANED AND SPOKE DEROGATORILY OF BLITZ AND HIS KIND AND COERCED HIM IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. HE SHOULD BE THE LAST PERSON INVITED TO THE “FUCK BLITZ” PARTY or whatever it was called

-Verosika, don’t pity the ugly owl. You have your own, actually legitimate, reasons for hating Blitz. God she deserved so much better than to just become a parrot for Stolas’s stupid pity parties, and be forced to forgive the man who stole her money

-This episode tends to flip flop a lot on Stolas. Some parts of his song have him acknowledge that he’s shitty, but then he turns around and is like “OOOOOOO BLITZ YOUR SUCH A MOTHERFUCKER 😭😭😭😭”

-THATS IT?! That’s ALL we get from Blitz and Verosika?! She rightfully gets furious with him, he shows the bare minimum of remorse, and now she gives him a cake. I wish I could say I was suprised, but I mean, Fizz immediately forgave Blitz for burning down his home and causing him to loose his limbs

Just as bad as I expected. 0/10

[moistrodent]

Helluva Boss can totally function as a psychological horror about the mistreatment and exploitation of poor and oppressed people by people of a higher station to them. It’s supposed to be a show about imps in Hell killing people in the human world for hire.

[bananararama]

Didn't Striker say something about murdering kids, women and cute faced puppy looking things in Oops?

Idc lol I.M.P kills kids for free + Loona dropkicks a baby in the pilot + this is a show set in hell + this just shows how much backtracking Vivziepop did on Striker's character to the point where him saying that could have been seen as terribly out of character if it was in the Moon Festival episode

Also

Vivziepop would never make me hate the antimonarchy cowboy

[spicylove4ever]

"Queen Bee doesn't look like a properly designed Beelzebub! There's nothing on her design that says Glutony!"

Ok... so we're talking about the sin about over self-indulgence, about seeking satisfaction through something you ingest, waste of food, eat or drink stuff that is bad for your body, waste money on overly expensive food....

I wonder is there is a type of escenario where all that happens at once.... oh yes. PARTIES.

So.....

A party queen. One with hair and tail made of the HONEY SHE MENTIONS DON'T STOP ON HER THEME SONG.

A belly that I bet can digest everything so she's NEVER EVER FULL of food or drinks. Also, works as another big clue.

Offers food and drink non-stop, is always up to get something in her, and has a pool full of what seems to be magical honey that she can turn into sweets.

.....nope. Not a convincing Glutony Queen at all. XD

[fandomcritical]

something else i wanna bring up is the difference in attitudes between stolas/stolitz and catra(dora) antis from my experience, at least on youtube. the former tends to at least include a disclaimer along the lines of, “to those of you who enjoy the ship, that’s okay! keep creating your fanworks, i’m glad you’ve found a ship you enjoy, i’m not here to change your mind, just don’t be a weirdo freak” (for example, this video* from about ~30 seconds to 2 minutes in) whereas the latter tends to be condescending with “you guys defend abuse, how can you be okay with this portrayal, aren’t you concerned for the target audience, why are the stans like this” and that just really turns me off from giving your points any consideration.

for the record, i’ve never been the toxic fan that people talk about. i may defend my position in a debate, but even then i don’t like confronting antis directly and will typically just make my own new post. i’ve never harassed anyone for disagreeing with me and i respect their right to whatever opinion they align with. i also condemn anyone who participates in such disgusting behavior.

the fact that i don’t appreciate how you speak to us doesn’t mean i’m guilty of something. we are not a monolith.

*i left a comment regarding the part at timestamp 21:02, which reads: "i’m sure people are bound to disagree with me but there’s always catradora from she-ra. it’s also toxic and complex and what some may or may not call an power imbalance but the narrative itself doesn’t come across as victim-blaming (i say that because it is done by other characters)."

[cookies-in-chees]

You do not have to like stolitz, you can think it’s a trash ship from a shitty show but for the love of god do not say “it’s a problematic proship because it’s ‘interracial coded’’” That just sounds really racist especially if you are white

[miyuskye]

vivziepop immediately after posting Ghostfuckers as she finally gets the chance to be petty against a random fan who just made a meme post

(yes I am talking about this post and no I do not endorse the consumption of leaked material, especially from independent artists, if she can even be regarded as such. I also have no idea if the op of the post Vivzie retweeted actually watched the leaks, because in their post they say "people who saw the leaks", instead of "us" or similar phrasing. Really, was vivzie's reply necessary?)

[verboselocket38]

Before any Stolas/itz stans come to me saying I am a Blitzø stan, I'm not. I dont like Blitzø but this thought has been in my head for awhile and I gotta bring it out here.

Imagine this...

A society where Imps are seen as the second lowest class next to hell hounds where not many are able to start their own buisness.

Now Blitzø wanted to start his own killing buisness where he needs to get to the human realm. Currently its successful, but its only sucessful when he sleeps with Stolas every month for his grimore which access people in hell to the human realm.

A lot of people have already talked about the power dynamics and coercive relationship the two have so this post is mainly me talking about how Stolas was the one to force Blitzø into the relationship, whether he knew or not.

1. The reason for Blitzø to live

Lets just get this out of the way, the Grimore is the reason why Blitzø needs to run his buisness. The buisness that helps pay for his daughter and him to have a roof over their head, and their employees. Money that helps them pay for food, bills, other necessities for them to LIVE. Imps are one of the lowest classes in society, we see in previous episodes they may work as butlers for the Goetia and a not treated well.

In Full Moon Blitzø was begging for Stolas for him to do better all because he missed a bit for their arrangment. Alot of people think hes pleading because he "actually loves Stolas and wants to do better" when.... No it was more of Blitzø begging to keep the one thing that kept his buissness that he worked so hard to maintain afloat - and this was before Stolas showed him the crystal. Even if thats not what the writers intended thats not how it comes off in the show.

2. "But Blitzø started the arrangement!"

No he didnt. When Stolas took Blitzø to the bedroom when he was caught trying to steal the grimore, he thought Blitzø was going to "ravish him." HE made it sexual in the first place.

Now its been 25 years since these two last saw eachother. In that time things change and these two only interacted once as KIDS. When you are a child your personality and perspective usually changes as you grow older. What I mean by this is that Stolas being a royal, in Blitzø's mind he believes that if Stolas figured out WHY he was here sneaking around his house, there is a good chance Stolas could just kill him.

And before any of you say "But Stolas would NEVER do that 🥺"

How exactly is Blitzø suppose to know???

It's been 25 years since they lady saw each other. Stuff changes. If Blitzø thought Stolas wouldn't kill him if caught, then why didn't he just ask Stolas for the book? I mean if he knew that Stolas would willingly give him the book for the business, then wouldn't this whole arrangement like- never happen in the first place???

In his mind in this situation, Blitzø was panicking. In this situation him being sexual with Stolas was his only priority in his mind to keep himself alive.... And then later he gave Stolas pity sex.

(Which let me just say since this part is what I believe defiently what wasnt going through Blitzø's mind... But if he left with the book not giving Stolas sex, I wouldn't be suprised that Stolas would feel betrayed and then track Blitzø down to take the book back. We know he can track him down in Murder Family and Truth Seekers, so I wouldn't be suprised but yeah I just wanted to point this out.)

3. "But What about Blitzø's Exes?"

People like to bring Up Blitzø's exes to point out how he somehow screwed up in his relationship with Stolas even though it is a separate issue. And something to point out is that Dennis, a character from the Queen Bee episode, was there. He wasn't an ex, he was a fling. I wouldnt be suprised that the amount of people there are just flings. As for Verosika she has every right to hate him after he maxed her credit card, but like.... girl making a party every year about hating Blitzø isnt going to let these people get over him.

In all honesty I think Blitzø having a lot of "Exes" was just meant to make Blitzø look worse than Stolas. This is just something I wanted to get out of the way.

4. If you still think that its Blitzø's fault cuz the relationship started, let me put it in perspective like this...

(This isnt suppose to be a 100% accurate comparison to Stolas and Blitzø but this is just to set an example)

There was this couple named John and Leslie. Now John has been intrested in Leslie in a romantic way and asks her to be in a relationship. She says yes and they date for awhile. Things may or may not start out ok but later down the line Leslie starts being not a good partner. By that I mean she might be emotionally manipulative towards him or making him think that anything Leslie herself doesn't like is immediately JOHN'S fault. Apparently if we go by the HH/HB fandom's logic, John would be at fault for being abused because HE was the one who started the relationship. The fact that he had feelings for her at one point automatically means that he has to be in the relationship forever now.

Now if we go to Blitzø and Stolas, Blitzø is at fault for being in sexual coercion because he tried to not get himself (In his mind) killed by Stolas when he tried taking his book. Its his fault for not loving him when what they had was a transactional agreement that was purely business. Its Blitzø's fault for not realizing Stolas was having a serious conversation with him in Full Moon, when Stolas has never treated Blitzø like an equal in the past.

Conclusion

When going through this whole rant I wanted to put this somewhere but didnt know where:

I don't condemn thievery... but I also dont condemn coercive rape.

Just because Stolas feels bad about it does not make anything any better. Even if he didn't mean to put Blitzø in this situation, whatever way you look at it, its unhealthy. Blitzø needed the book to run his buisness that he worked hard for to LIVE. Stolas was the one who decided this whole agreement. HE was the one who put these two in this predicament. And yet this show still decides to make Stolas look like a victim.

[jadeverse-asks]

Well since the last anti Stolitz post I made got far more notes than I was ever expecting, I decided to make another based off the worst episode by far lol

(Btw not trying to start any ship wars or anything, I'm just stating what I saw with this one because man it still frustates me to hell (haha) before Ghostfuckers comes out sometime this month-)