#anti eleventh doctor

[azurecanary]

1-6, pls! for dr who ask

1. What was the first episode you watched/remember?

Probably Christmas Invasion? My parents were massive Tennant fans.

2. What was the first entire series you watched/remember?

Series 4 i think was the first one i watched fully. For a while it was just watching random episodes up till that point.

3. Who is your favourite Doctor? Why?

Peter Capaldi. He was just the best actor out of all the Doctors i watched and he just brought this sense of authority and eccentricity to the role that i really think fitted the Doctor. He also had the most incredible speeches.

4. Who is your least favourite Doctor? Why?

I'm going to catch heat for this but i didn't really like Matt Smith's Doctor. I think because he came right after Tennant and was followed by Capaldi that he had a lot to live up to that he couldn't quite manage. His acting and character was just too exaggerated to where it kinda felt like a caricature.

5. Any complaints about the show?

I did not like most of Series 5-7. I didn't like Smith's Doctor, i did NOT enjoy the character of Amy or her relationship with the Doctor or Rory, especially the end of Stone and Flesh. I still love Karen Gillan tho, but i just did not like Amy.

6. NuWho or Classic Who? Why?

I grew up with NuWho and i didn't get to watch as many Classic episodes growing up so it would have to be NuWho. But eventually i do hope to watch more Classic Who.

[expectiations]

text posts: Doctor + River version [2/?]

time to cleanse my mind, body, soul, spirit, life, etc. of the takes I've been seeing of my blorbos on a daily basis lately. and it's still wednesday.

[khruschevshoe]

There's something about how the costuming of Amy Pond (always in miniskirts/heeled boots even when the circumstances actively call against it, never getting to wear period wear except for once in Vampires of Venice for a one-scene disguise before immediately moving into a nightgown and once in a cutaway honeymoon monstage) is directly linked to the more sexist aspects of her storyline writing and that tie is most likely the interviews with Steven Moffatt where he admits to wanting to make Doctor Who "sexier." In this essay I will-

[ghost-bison]

Doctor Who - Opinions

-the ninth doctor was the best. no one will ever be as good as he was

-same for donna, best companion, no one will ever compare

-imo 9th > 10th > 12th > 14th > 11th > 13th (dunno about 15th yet, haven't seen enough of him)

-donna > rose > jack > martha > nardole > bill > river/clara > rory > graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>> amy (idk about yaz and ryan I honestly dont see any distinctive personality traits apart from the fact that ryan is always complaining and generally unpleasant)

-ninerose >>>>>>>> tenrose

-clara is a cool character, it's just her plots that made people dislike her

-i don't get the obsession people have over thoschei. or the master in general and his relationship with the doctor? apart from missy and twelve ofc

-i could never warm up to amy, nor do i get how people can like her. she was abusive, not a girlboss. didn't deserve rory

-i have mixed feelings about river. like obviously, slay my goddess, but also, she's everything that's wrong with moffat's writing of women? she's actually dependant and praises the doctor and never makes a decision for herself? never questions the doctor? that's not ok

-idc how good moffat's storylines get, i'll choose rtd any day. i'll refer you to this post as to why.

-chibnall's era feels flat. i don't hate 13, she's adorable, but I used to laugh and cry several times an episode during the first ten series. now it's like twice a series if we're lucky.

-i liked the campy effects way better than the disney-style expensive cgi they now use to try and balance out mediocre writing (I'm sorry but wtf was that Space babies episode and how did they manage to make it even more cringe than the series one Slitheen two-parters?)

[phyrexian-lesbian]

tired of rtd fans going “god forbid a character have a happy ending”. he did. when he was regenerating he had donna and mel beside him to see him off. he was content and he even said “it’s time.” and he was ready to go this time. that was a perfect and happy ending for him. and tbh the only thing i really expected from the giggle was the regen scene. i had no standards other than that.

the toymaker was brilliant and ncuti was brilliant. but thanks to rtds inability to get rid off DT, we got a colossal amount of fan service for a mediocre ending and having DT eclipse both Ncuti and Jodie because now the NMDs will say that 15 isn’t the real doctor. now i’m started to dislike david’s doctor because rtd is just beating this dead horse for 19 years.

11, 12, and 13 are now my favourite doctors. the incredible dw anniversaries were the Day of the Doctor for the 50th and the Power of the Doctor for the 60th.

[seaweedstarshine]

Hi! Long time no yap but I've been really bothered by this thing and I know you're just the person I can go to with this (even if we don't always end up agreeing at times).

I got into a tiff with someone in a comments section of a post that was about Amy (Which character do you think deserved to become a villain? or something similar). They brought up Amy's abuse of her boyfriend. I may have tried to defend Amy (key word is tried. I am officially rubbish at debating) but then I may have said something? Because they said that I (and apparently a lot of other fans) was excusing Amy's abuse because of her trauma. It got me stumped because isn't young Amy's treatment of Rory rooted in her trauma? Did I miss the memo where we separate trauma and abuse? Am I missing something?

That statement bothered me a lot because if there's one thing I never want to do it's defend an abuser. So here I am, humbly asking and hoping to clear the muddy waters.

Your really confused and disturbed moot, Tia 💌

TIA!!!!! Thanks for the ask 💌 , and I send you all the hugs.

Discussion of abuse, trauma, ableism, infidelity, and unhealthy relationship dynamics beneath the cut.

(First off… while I really appreciate your faith in my explaining skills <3 <3 <3 my passion for traumatized characters and mentally ill+neurodivergent rights doesn't make me especially qualified to fully clear muddy waters especially not knowing the full context, but I feel you, and what follows is my informed perspective!)

Speaking generally first, harm done in media is best examined by the impact on the audience, with a different lens than harm done to real people. While relatable experiences in media can be useful and validating and incredibly important, you can’t be “defending an abuser” when the abuse is fictional. It's actually normal for traumatized/ND/mentally ill people to project onto mentally ill villains, when villains are the only significant representation for those stigmatized symptoms in a media landscape that excludes and demonizes us simply for existing. RTD can't stop people who hallucinate from reclaiming the Master's Drums and projecting onto the Master, for example — 90% of the best Doctor Who psychosis fic by psychotic authors is about the Master, whether RTD likes it or not. It's not true crime.

(This is speaking generally. Amy Pond is very much not the Master.)

Abuse is a behavior, and there can be many reasons for it, but reasons based in trauma don’t make it not abuse (some forms of generational trauma can propagate abusive parenting styles, when the parent thinks abusive parenting is normal, or lives entirely vicariously through their child). This absolutely should not be taken to mean trauma correlates with abusive behavior; rather that abusive behaviors from traumatized people are more likely to present in specific ways.

Abuse is also a targeted behavior, based in control — not consistently displayed C-PTSD symptoms as seen in Season 5 Amy Pond through many aspects of her life. Mental health symptoms don't become abuse just because they hinder one partner from meeting the other partner's needs. Any life event can do that.

Without knowing the context of the arguments, this is the aspect of their relationship I've seen you talk about before (which I also feel strongly about), and what I assume is what you were debating? So, here I will talk specifically in regard to Season 5.

We all know Amy — she's never attached to Leadworth because she never wanted to leave Scotland, no steady therapist because none of them stick up for her, can't stick with one job yet her first choice is a job that simulates intimacy because her avoidant behavior (a known trauma response) isn't sustainable to her wellbeing. Rory knows her fears of commitment stem from her repeated abandonments, it’s why he’ll always wait for her, and it's why he blames the Doctor “You make it so they don't want to let you down.”, who apart from having caused a lot of her trauma, has actively taken advantage of her being the “Scottish girl in the English village” who's “still got that accent,” because he wants to feel important, so yeah, I think interpreting Amy's issues (and how Amy and Rory transverse them) as Amy abusing Rory indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of their relationship, as well as a misunderstanding of the (raggedy) Doctor’s role in Amy’s formative self-image (which of course she works through in Season 6, but I am sticking to Season 5).

Abuse is always based in control. That just doesn’t fit here. While Amy's detachment from her real life includes things like calling Rory her “kind of boyfriend” (which she is upfront about to his face; differing commitment levels isn't abuse, though it can be a relationship red flag for both parties IRL) — her Season 5 disregard of Rory’s feelings occurs only in response to the fairytale embodiment of her trauma. It's never a response to Rory; it's a response to the Doctor, who stole her childhood and led her by the hand to her death. She cheats on Rory with the Doctor in her bedroom full of Doctor toys, drawings, models, she made from childhood to early adulthood.

(And yes, like many repeatedly-traumatized people, Amy is prone to being sensitive and reactive. Take her “Well, shut up then!” line in The Big Bang; but given Rory responds to this by hugging her, clearly he doesn’t take it as her actually dismissing him. He knows her better than that.)

And by no means do I meant to imply this is fair to young Rory, poor Rory, who's left struggling with the feeling that his role in her life is in competition with the role of her trauma (aka the Doctor). But not every unhealthy relationship dynamic is unhealthy because of abuse. Labelling Amy's treatment of Rory in Season 5 more accurately isn't the same as excusing her harmful choices — but making mistakes is part of being human, Amy's mistakes are certainly understandable, and she works through them out of love for Rory.

If there's one thing to say about Moffat women, it's that Moffat allows his female characters the same grace that the male characters *coughTENcough* have always had, to hurt and struggle and make realistic mistakes and overcome those mistakes and to heal without being demonized.

Amy isn't perfect, but she is a fully realized character, and her story gives us a resonant depiction of childhood trauma.

[aletterinthenameofsanity]

don't ya just love it when you're really vibing to one of the most compelling character designs you've ever seen and your fun is completely ruined by the most 2010 sexist jokes/writing in the world?

[paxbe]

steven moffat has a lot to answer for in his poor writing of women but his worst crime is what he did to river song

he took a very cool and interesting woman with an unexplored plotline that had limitless potential and turned her into another of his two-dimensional sexy-woman-who-could-shoot-you archetypes. her plotline also falls victim one of his repeated attempts to craft an exciting mystery with a plot twist which ended up being needlessly convoluted and somehow condescending almost, by neglecting to give river her own meaningful journey and centring her existence around creating puzzles for the doctor to solve

[sallysellsseashellssundays]

Nine and Ten going absolutely insane every time Rose, Martha, Donna were in danger

vs

River having to break her wrist to get out of the angel’s grasp b/c Eleven wouldn’t help her  😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[dandelionjack]

continuing yesterday’s discussion, the only card-carrying hypocrite in this house is, apparently, me. why do i resent how river (and to a lesser extent amy) are written to have their whole lives revolve around the doctor, but it’s completely fine by me when clara’s whole life does too? no idea. drawing from my own previous opinions i should hate the impossible girl arc. however, for some inexplicable reason, it fascinates me in a way the others didn’t. after all, consistency doesn’t really matter when discussing a show that doesn’t value it

but i do have an answer of sorts. the fact remains that clara’s s7b arc is not gender specific. she could have, in a hypothetical gender-neutral world, been the impossible boy, and nothing would have changed plotwise (the touches of sexist attitude towards her bear no relevance on the narrative). amy, on the other hand, with her schroedinger’s pregnancy, marriage dilemma (‘should i take my husband’s name?’) and ‘love triangle’, as well as river’s highly sexualised ‘wife’ role, are gender-specific and therefore misogynistic. yes, you could say that being the impossible girl makes clara a “manic pixie dream girl”, unrelatable to the average viewer and a Walking Plot Device, predestined by fate itself to meet the doctor, etc etc, but that doesn’t fall under sexism, and it’s not out of place in a series in which moving the story forward takes priority over anything else. nobody says this stuff about rose, despite her bad wolf impossible goddess of time arc being in fact quite similar! tl;dr obviously i haven’t gotten to later seasons yet, and my thoughts on her might change, but for now i stand by clara oswald. her arc coheres. her unreality makes her real

[ebenelephant]

oh it's so bad but all I remember from late 11/early 12 era is that I really disliked clara. don't know why, just did.

[cas-is-queer]

Everyone thinks the eleventh doctor is full of Whimsy and that twelve is not. Actually, twelve is fucking full of Whimsy, you just have your anti-Whimsy glasses on. See the Whimsy. Love it. Embrace it. He is the Whimsy Man.

[khruschevshoe]

Just rewatched The Girl In the Fireplace for the first time in about nine years and Steven Moffat really read the Time Traveller's Wife one time and decided that every single woman companion he was going to write on the show (with the exception of Bill, and since she's a lesbian, she literally couldn't fall for the Doctor) was going to meet the Doctor as a child and then fall in love with him later on, didn't he? Reinette snogged him when she met him as an adult. Amy snogged him the day before she was getting married. River had, well, every single thing about her arc, birth to death. Even Clara, after being introduced as just friends, is revealed to have met the Doctor as a teenager and then is revealed to fancy him in the regeneration episode. Like, it's an absolutely bizarre and a little bit uncomfortable recurring plot point that these women met a man briefly as a child, imprinted on him, and fell in love/had a sexual interest in him/were obsessed with him as an adult, making large portions of their lives from childhood revolve around this man. Like...a bit of a yikes.

[ghost-bison]

hot take maybe but i'd definitely have a crush on eleven if he'd been written by rtd

[darklinaforever]

Since Moffat himself established within the series as Eleven that the Doctor was lying, I simply choose to believe that he is lying to Clara about why his Tenth incarnation sought to avoid regeneration.

Alright, now let’s talk about this:

Um, excuse me sir but that is incorrect. You, as Ten, didn’t have vanity issues.

You’re old here and you think you’re going to die for good and it’s been hundreds of years… blah blah blah. Is that any excuse for this blatant rewriting of history? No.

(Couldn’t you have just said “it was a whole thing”? Then we wouldn’t need this rant! But here we go.)

Remember Rose, Doctor? Remember the pink and yellow human who joined you after the Time War and brought light and joy back into your heart? Who made you laugh and smile again? Who made you say “if I believe in one thing, I believe in her”?

And remember when you regenerated from Nine to Ten in front of her?

You would have given her this if you could have. In a heartbeat. You spent practically that whole Christmas trying to get her to like the new you! And she did, she loved you as Ten. And you lost her. You were torn apart against your will. She was devastated. You mourned her.

Then you finally get her back, just a glimpse, and you are shot down before you can even hug her.

So you regenerated and you kept your face and you played it off as vanity.

Well done. It’s almost as if you have hundreds of years experience deflecting emotions with humor. But it was so much more than that!

After everything that had happened you couldn’t put her through that again! You couldn’t put yourself through it!

Regeneration is still like dying. “Everything in me dies. Some new man goes sauntering away”. It might have been easier for Ten to be someone else. To be somewhat removed from all the emotions he had wrapped up in this woman. But he couldn’t do that. Not if he could help it. Not even to save himself some sliver of pain if and when it ended again. To deprive Rose, and himself, of this reunion would have been cruel. This time he could give her what he couldn’t last time… her Doctor.

What I’m saying is, Doctor, as you look back on your lives maybe don’t forget the people who meant so much to you. And don’t cheapen the times you were able to give someone (including yourself) something they needed.

/rant

[gallifreyanhotfive]

Random Doctor Who Facts You Might Not Know, Part 72: More Academy and Pre-Leaving Gallifrey Stuff Because Why Not

Sorry I'm in too my pain to come up with a better title right now lmaooo. Mostly about the Doctor because they occupy the mind.

As a small child, Theta Sigma had an imaginary friend named Binker. (Audio: The Abandoned)

Later, the Sixth Doctor claimed that while most people had imaginary friends, he had had an imaginary enemy in Mandrake the Lizard King, which was really a dead lizard pinned to old engine parts that he would battle with his deadly stick. This phrasing suggests that the Sixth Doctor does not acknowledge any imaginary friends his childhood self might have had. (Audio: The Widow's Assassin)

The Rani claimed that sentimentality was the reason the Doctor graduated with "just a Double Gamma." (Audio: The Rani Elite)

According to Sardon, the Doctor is no common criminal because by the latter years of his first incarnation was a distinguished member of the High Council and was widely regarded as a potential President. He was difficult and rebellious, however, and went too far when he quarreled with his colleagues over something obscure over principle. He then stole an old Type 40 TARDIS and fled. (Novel: World Game)

The Seventh Doctor claimed that he had always believed evil to be a genuine force. This had given his young self quite a name on Gallifrey as most of his contemporaries considered the ideas of "good" and "evil" to be archaic and out-dated. They thought his preoccupation with that morality was incomprehensible. (Novel: Strange England)

Before leaving Gallifrey, the Doctor had successfully campaigned for the ban of a special chemical. This chemical was a weapon sometimes called a disruptor agent that acts as a catalyst to convert vertebrate blood into acid. The formula for the chemical stuck in his brain well enough that the Second Doctor was able to later recreate it. (Short story: The Ages of Ambition)

The Doctor had made powerful enemies on Gallifrey on account of his controversial views on the non-interference policy. (Audio: The Beginning)

The Doctor was told stories about the Kin when he was a small boy on Gallifrey. The Time Lords imprisoned the Kin in a complex of small rooms out of temporal phase with the rest of the universe. So long as the Time Lords existed, the Kin would be in their prison. When the Kin got out, there was still a Time Lord left in the universe - the Eleventh Doctor. (Short story: Nothing O'Clock)

In his youth, the Doctor feared that Grandfather Paradox was hiding under his bed or underneath the table in the refectory or making noises he could hear outside at night. (Novel: The Gallifrey Chronicles)

As a young man, the Doctor read about an infection on Gallifrey that had happened over one thousand years before his birth. The Spore - which was actually the von Neumann seeding probe - killed several hundred thousand Time Lords before it was dealt with. The Time Lords engineered an inherited immunity into their genes, so they would never be vulnerable again. Everything organic seemed to be necrotic and decaying to a black gunk. (Please skip to next bullet point if you are squeamish about descriptions of bodies.) When the Eighth Doctor investigated an outbreak, he found a body wearing boots, jeans, and a checkered shirt. Inside the clothes was a mess of bones barely held together by a few pieces of remaining flesh. The skull had a few pieces of white hair, but the scalp and other pieces of soft organic matter were gone as black slime ran out of the cuffs. (Short story: Spore)

The Doctor used to sit by the sea a lot in their childhood, watching and listening to it. He used to think that that was where the dead went, that they were all out there in the sea, and that you could hear them whispering in the waves. (Novel: Matrix)

Three students at the Academy who often conducted rebellious and anti-hierarchical activities include: the Master, whose title was earned from his constant bullying of others, a good cosmic theoretician but but not very good in practice; the Doctor, who often carried out silly chemical experiments with a friend called Drax; and the Rani, who "was brilliant at everything, and chemistry in particular." (Short story: The Legacy of Gallifrey)

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