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EVERYTIME I READ THIS IT KILLS ME

#passing awayyyyyyyy

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I have a headcanon that Rose bought the Doctor his red converse. They were supposed to be a Christmas present and she chose red because he secretly got her a red bicycle when she was 12 (there’s a short story explaining he in no way interacted with her as a child when he did this). He unwraps the shoes after Runaway Bride. This is when he gets a chance to grieve and feel his emotions about seeing her on Bad Wolf bay.

I even wrote an angsty fic to go along with it. Enjoy!

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GitF Fix It Expansion(requesting ideas and advice)

I have recently learned that Moffat didn’t just bastardize Ten and Rose. He insulted Madame de Pompadour. Based on historical descriptions of her she was a “physically cold woman.” There’s more details but ultimately, she likely would not have appreciated being portrayed as a sex symbol.

Anyway, this led me to start working on a version of my nightmare fix it fic where the Doctor takes Rose to see what the real Madame de Pompadour is like. I welcome any input on details people might like to read in this expanded version. Only thing I’m dead set on doing is having the villain be a time agent with a fetish for Madame de Pompadour. I also want to use the sexist details in the GitF script as dialogue for him.

Other than that, I’m open ideas for the expanded version of my fic! I’ll link the one shot version for reference. I’ll the one shot as the first chapter of the expanded story. I will leave the one shot up as is for people who wish to headcanon the nightmare aspect but not the story where they visit 18th Century France the next day.

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And I suppose, if it’s my last chance to say it, Rose Tyler—

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I don’t think you understand how much I love that the Daleks refer to Rose Tyler as The Abomination

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Age gap between the Doctor and Rose

According to “A Brief History of Time Lords” by Steve Tribe, a Time Lord’s average lifespan is 4,000-5,000 years. In 2005 the average human lifespan was 77.4. Rose’s age when she meets the Doctor is 24% of her lifespan. Using the lower end of the time lord lifespan, the Doctor is 22% of that. So, in Time Lord years, Rose and the Doctor are roughly the same age. When accounting for species differences, they are in the same life stage when they meet. The Doctor would actually be the equivalent of a 17 year old human and Rose is the equivalent of a 960 year old time lord. So it’s not weird or creepy.

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I don't remember who

wrote that little piece of meta-ish text. But I saw a couple of days ago a claim that Rouge is better than Rose and/or Clara, because when he saw Doctor's other faces he was in awe, while both girls were kinda scared.

If anybody knows the post I'm referring to, please link it, because I can't find it, and I'm not gonna look further into timerouge tags, cuz... You know the algorithm.

Anyway. I strongly disagree.

Rouge just saw that the guy he just met (who is kinda hot), can change his appearance. That's it. But he is a guy from the far future, who travelled his bit and seen his share of things. He is also currently hunting some shapeshifters. So no biggie. It was a kind of appropriate response. Cuz c'mon that is cool. But he doesn't know that death is what causes the change. He doesn't know the change is painful, confusing, and scary. He doesn't have to see it happening.

Meanwhile both, Rose and Clara, had to deal with the change actually happening with none or almost no prior knowledge about the process. Meaning of course that Rose had NO IDEA what was happening, and Clara knew that Doctor could regenerate, but never exactly what that meant. Both girls are from the 21st century, with little knowledge of the universe.

Rose did not know what happened. Her beloved Doctor was in pain and then he disappeared and someone else just showed up. He was also saying his goodbyes, and that is never a good sign. Her friend was gone. She was rightly afraid that someone did something to him. Maybe he was kidnapped? Maybe he was dead? She had no idea but was still trying to protect him. And then struggled to see the Doctor in that new guy because of the shock and the change going wrong. But after whatever was going wrong passed she accepted him instantly.

Clara knew about the process of regeneration, and that he will look different. Just the theory, but she knew. She was not, however, prepared for it to actually happen, the Doctor after the change is gonna act weird and it takes time for him to get over this regeneration haze. Her beloved friend was hurting and she had no way of helping him through it. So she was scared for him, and confused because to her knowledge it should renew him, but he looked older (as per human standards).

What I am saying here is simple - there is no comparison between those two. These are completely different situations. In the first one, you find out the stranger had 15 faces. That is cool In other your beloved is dying, hurting, changing and there is nothing you can actually do to help or stop it from happening. That is scary, difficult, painful and confusing.

All of those characters had appropriate reactions to the given situation.

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Nine is so fragile when he first meets Rose. You can see it if you look closely. He’s just lost his entire planet and it’s at his own hands. He likely travelled for at least a little while on his own, not even wanting to see himself in a mirror. But then he finds this girl in a basement of a shop he’s trying to blow up. He takes her hand and it feels so right. She talks and her voice is both strong and assertive but also gentle. She’s smart and resourceful but she seems to want to give him a chance. She wants to understand him and to know who he is even though he just destroyed her job. She gives him a chance and it feels so wonderful he has to take it. He finally looks himself in the mirror for the first time since he regenerated after the war. She then reminds him to really care about individual people again. To really care. Then she saves his life.

Rose does all of this in the span of a little over 24 hours.

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Honestly, all of Nu Who is fanfic at this point. Which isn’t a bad thing at all, but it also means atrocious episodes don’t need to be honored as canon. GitF makes no sense. Disrespects Rose, the Tenth Doctor, Mickey, and the real life Madame de Pompadour. So, in the bin it goes in my mind.

The Girl In The Fireplace is not part of my canon at all. (It’s easy to remove anyways tbh and has no overall effect on the story)

Congrats to Moffat  for getting his ooc creepy fanfic in tho

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Girl in the Fireplace Rant (cont.)

There was at least some engagement on my last post about this so I decided I will in fact post a follow up. GitF was 100% a bad faith episode. Moffat wrote it because he is classist and misogynistic and hates Rose. Unfortunately, part of his purpose for the episode was to show that the Doctor will always prefer a “classy” aristocrat over Rose and he wanted to have her treated as nothing. So, all of us Rose fans have to come up with a headcanon that undermines the writer’s intentions.

I think the most common one is to believe the episode was the Doctor’s attempts to push Rose away because of her mortality and how that scares him.

That never worked for me because a major part of the Doctor’s character is his protectiveness. He would never push her away to the point of danger or abandonment. For me, I feel that fictional or not, the actions of the Doctor in that episode would be entirely unforgivable if they did happen. So my headcanon is that this episode was a nightmare Rose had.

If you are like me are also one of the fans for whom the pushing her away theory doesn’t work, read on for my explanation of why I don’t think GitF could be an actual event within canon. Moffat may be a BBC writer but it doesn’t give him a right to completely undermine the show, it doesn’t actually belong to anyone outside of financial concerns. If you’re content with believing he needed to push Rose away and that the episode did happen, you can ignore this.

Why the events GitF did not happen within canon (but could’ve happened as a nightmare)

1. Doctor Who canon is very loose as it is. With multiple writers across multiple mediums, things do contradict each other and us as fans get to decide for ourselves what fits with canon and what does not.

2. The Doctor has been clearly shown to be in love with Rose. He is protective of her to the point that if a decision will kill everyone else but give her even a slight chance of survival, he can’t actually make that decision. He almost did in Dalek, but after she didn’t get through the barricade the first time he was incapable of significantly reducing her safety for the good of everyone else. He snapped awake from a regeneration coma just because Rose said “help me”. He freaked out when Cassandra had her body and again in Tooth and Claw when she was in trouble. If you count Stone Rose that almost certainly took place before GitF and he once again, lost his mind over Rose being a statue.

I do understand seeing Sarah Jane age freaked him out. And I could’ve understood him distancing himself from Rose a bit in some way. But his instinct to protect her is so strong he’d never sacrifice her safety to push her away. Leaving her alone with clockwork for an extended period of time while he partied and invented drinks is impossible enough. Let alone the way he believed he’d have no way back to the ship when he went through the time window for the last time. Not only had he just promised she could spend the rest of her life with him, but her and Mickey would’ve likely died alone on that abandoned spaceship.

Simply, it’s just too out of character to happen within the rest of the Ninth and Tenth Doctors’ canon.

3. The horse. I have been a big horse person my entire life. Horses have extremely strong flight instincts. Even the most trusting and well trained horse in the world is never going to jump through reinforced glass. I do realize as Sci Fi fans we have to suspend disbelief for a lot of things. But we are never given an explanation as to why this horse would behave so dramatically differently from another horse. Every bizarre thing we accept in the DW universe is explained to some extent. There is a book where the Doctor tames a horse with psychic paper. But that horse is never asked to violate its instincts. That horse behaves as any other tame horse behaves. That is an example of acceptable DW suspension of belief. There is still a sci fi/alien technical explanation and I can absorb it. I cannot absorb a horse jumping through a firm glass window unless they were running from something even scarier. No matter how well trained a horse is, it’s not jumping through glass just because a humanoid asked them to. Nothing was chasing Arthur and his body language did not suggest any kind of fear to indicate he was running from something even scarier. All the droids were already in the other side of the window as well. It’s simply bizarre and impossible, even in a sci fi snow. Within this very show the Doctor states you can’t hypnotize someone beyond their survival instincts. I believe this applies to horses and a horse’s instincts is to avoid jumping through or into a reinforced barrier.

Next, we are given no explanation as to how this horse jumped through glass unscathed. Glass that was said to be so strong only a truck could break through. Horses are also extremely delicate and many have fatally injured themselves just playing in the paddock. Even for injuries not that extreme, every horse person knows that even small things result in giant vet bills.

Finally, it is once again grossly out of character for the Doctor to take a living animal and make them do something he previously calculated would required a truck.

4. Things are back to normal as if the episode never happened by the Rise of the Cybermen. If the Doctor had really developed feelings for another woman so strong that he would leave Rose for dead, then lost her, would he just be back to being the same old Doctor the very next episode? I doubt it. The Doctor is also a character known for holding on to guilt. Even if Reinette was mechanism to push Rose away, the way he abandoned her would’ve caused enough guilt he wouldn’t just be normal the very next episode. The show carries on as if Reinette never happened because Reinette never happened.

The only reference to that GitF is some clockwork droids in John Smith’s journal. Which could be explained by another encounter with the droids or by the Doctor looking at Rose’s mind to see the nightmare. Which would be an intimate enough moment to imprint on John Smith’s subconscious. The words “a girl in every fireplace” can once again refer to the Doctor seeing Rose’s nightmare or another off screen adventure entirely. There is no reference strong enough to confirm the actual events of GitF ever happened. The show functions exactly the same way without it. Because, it never happened.

5. The events of the show make perfect sense as a nightmare in Rose’s head. Take it from someone with a degree in psychology. Rose has abandonment wounds from Jimmy Stone. She also has abandonment wounds from her father dying when she was too young to understand it. School Reunion, the episode right before GitF triggers her abandonment wounds by making her see the Doctor has previously left companions and did not come back for them. It also makes her wonder if she is special to the Doctor. These doubts combined with her past trauma are a perfect recipe for her to have a bizarre nightmare where she gets abandoned in the most horrific way after the events of School Reunion.

I will leave you all with my fic where this was all a nightmare. Or you can write your own if you prefer. My point is that for those who feel the way I do about this episode, we do not have to accept the events as canon. We do not have to believe the Doctor has ever treated Rose this way except in her worst nightmares.

Update to address Deep Breath:

1. Doctor mentioned seeing clockwork droids before, but we know that the Doctor has many off screen adventures. He could’ve encountered the droids at any other point in his entire life besides GitF.

2. As for that episode stating the SS Madame De Pompadour existed, that still doesn’t confirm anything. There was a real life ship called the USS Queen of France. This was named for Marie Antoinette. Jackie dated a sailor once and Rose had a friend named Keisha whose brother was a sailor. This means Rose could’ve heard one of them discussing historical naval ships. This how she would imagine a ship named after Madame de Pompadour in the first place. She and the people who built the SS Madame de Pompadour and SS Marie Antoinette would’ve simply drawn inspiration from the same place. Also, there’s the fact that someone named a fictional ship Titan many years before Titanic ever existed.

Update 2: Rose was going to get an A level in French if she hadn’t run off with Jimmy. So she could’ve reasonably been familiar with some aspects of French history and able to imagine all of these things in a dream, even if it wasn’t a historically accurate dream, everyone knows weird things happen in dreams.

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GitF Question and Rant

Is there anyone else who fully does not believe GitF actually happened? I just don’t feel the Doctor could ever behave the way he did. If he did it would be impossible for he and Rose to continue to have the relationship we all see and love in every other episode. He stopped caring about Rose’s safety to party with a woman he just met and then he abandoned her and Mickey and left them for dead. Plus the horse going through the time window is just abuse. The part with the horse is so unrealistic that it just adds more evidence to me feeling like it simply didn’t happen. It was a window strong enough to need a truck. So having a horse jump through it is abusive and it’s completely absurd to believe that a horse would willingly do that and come out unscathed.

Since the episode has no effect on the rest of the show I just feel it can be ignored or viewed as a nightmare Rose had.

I feel like the only one who sees it this way though, so if anyone else agrees please comment or reblog. If a lot of people interact, I'll reshare my fic that shows it was a nightmare and explains why it logically would be a nightmare. It was the fic I’ve worked the hardest on and it was what even got me willing to put myself out there on AO3. I feel like it is totally realistic for Rose to have a nightmare about being abandoned after Jimmy left her for another woman and her dad died (which can be absorbed as abandonment by young children). And it also makes perfect sense for school reunion to trigger it.

I just thought I had this great idea that would help other fans cope with the episode and now I’m realizing I’m kind of in the minority with my staunch belief it never happened.

I’ve ridden horses since I was a kid and my first job was riding and caring for horses. I know them and I know no horse is going to be bursting through a time window like that. I also have a degree in psychology and I have my own PTSD nightmares so I feel that episode is completely realistic as a vivid nightmare for Rose.

I’m just an overly obsessed Rose fan hoping she’s not alone in this. I know a lot of people enjoy exploring the incident as a mistake he apologizes for, but it’s so much more than that. It’s a deep reprehensible betrayal that within the context of the rest of the show, just wouldn’t happen. I do know that people make mistakes in relationships, but some things just don’t happen when you love someone. Everything the Doctor did in that episode was completely unforgivable if it did happen. He left her for dead for another woman he just met. So that’s why I say it didn’t happen. The very next episode there’s no grief in the Doctor. He’s happy and reminiscing with Rose. Which to me confirms it never happened.

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i think there should be an episode of doctor who where the doctor returns to a time when police boxes were common and then forgets where he fucking parked

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He absolutely was going to say it. And I agree so much that he was trying to say it from his hearts. With intention. That’s why it came out too slowly. He wanted to say it with meaning. Not just spitting out the words. There was so much emotion he really didn’t realize he was about to be cut off.

Nine would have never “Rose Tyler I….” he’d of said i love you and he’d of said it with chest

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Omggg. I didn’t notice! Also the way he instinctively protects her from the shattered glass of Jackie’s table!

thinking about how in the first episode rose closed her fingers around the doctor's on instinct before she had even seen his face <3

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I’ve seen an argument going around claiming Rose wasn’t special, she just happened to be the first person the Doctor connected with after the time war. That anyone else would’ve healed him the same way. Well I just listened to an audio that firmly debunks that. It’s called “The Bleeding Heart” and is a part of The Ninth Doctor Chronicles. In it, there is a woman with psychic ability who can tell that there is a specific woman whose smile and hand will heal him. She’s obviously referring to Rose. He needed her specifically.

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Cool people wear converse with suits

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“I killed her once. I can’t do it again.”