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I couldn't care less about the LTD stuff around ff7, but something I absolutely love about Aerith and her relationship with Cloud is how genuinely loving she is without turning their connection into something romantic. Like, she is very supportive and understanding, she cared about who Cloud was behind his mask and still holds him accountable when it's needed. In return, Cloud grows as a person, he shows empathy and tries to connect with those around him (and it shows while handling his conflict with Tifa, listening to her and asking for her forgiveness); he learns.
Like, every relationship Cloud has with each character is important for him in different ways, but with Aerith? It's kind and soft, probably even healing.
#final fantasy 7#cloud strife#aerith gainsborough#ff7 aerith#clerith#cloud strife x aerith gainsborough#ff7 rebirth#and like every relationship is important#but they in particular have something that is so kind#and I could talk A LOT about everyone's relationship#we love a cute found family
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can't believe tom hiddleston ACTUALLY interrupted the interviewer to say "one last thing, i think mobius is loki's friend and i don't think loki has ever had a friend before" like king. i love how u felt the need to add that truly
#he's so PASSIONATE about them oh my god like im sorry but w sylki he was literally STRUGGLING to put sentences together and get his meaning#across but with loki he's literally just. rambling for a full five minutes barely taking a breath like he's so likes them together SO much#him interrupting the interviewer after half of a minute was so funny like u can see he's not paying any attention he needs to get this one#little thing in and what he says is just so sweet and i really love how he emphasis that mobius is loki's first friend basically every time#he talks about them bc he knows how very important this relationship is to loki and he wants to get that across. bbg always pulling thru for#us he's a real one#loki season 2#loki series#mobius m mobius#lokius#loki#tom hiddleston
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there's something about the way people talk about john gaius (incl the way the author writes him) that is like. so absent of any connection to te ao māori that it's really discomforting. like even in posts that acknowledge him as not being white, they still talk about him like a white, american leftist guy in a way that makes it clear people just AREN'T perceiving him as a māori man from aotearoa.
and it's just really serves to hammer home how powerful and pervasive whiteness and american hegemony is. because TLT is probably the single most Kiwi series in years to explode on the global stage, and all the things i find fraught about it as a pākehā woman reading a series by a pākehā author are illegible to a greater fandom of americans discoursing about whether or not memes are a valid way of portraying queer love.
idk the part of my brain that lights up every time i see a capital Z printed somewhere because of the New Zealand Mentioned??? instinct will always be proud of these books and muir. but i find myself caught in this midpoint of excitement and validation over my culture finding a place on the global stage, frustration at how kiwi humour and means of conveying emotion is misinterpreted or declared facile by an international audience, frustrated also by how that international audience runs the characters in this book through a filter of american whiteness before it bothers to interpret them, and ESPECIALLY frustrated by how muir has done a pretty middling job of portraying te ao māori and the māoriness of her characters, but tht conversation doesn't circulate in the same way* because a big part of the audience doesn't even realise the conversation is there to be had.
which is not to say that muir has done a huge glaring racism that non-kiwis haven't noticed or anything, but rather that there are very definitely things that she has done well, things that she has done poorly, things that she didn't think about in the first book that she has tacked on or expanded upon in the later books, that are all worthy of discussion and critique that can't happen when the popular posts that float past my dash are about how this indigenous man is 'guy who won't shut up about having gone to oxford'
*to be clear here, i'm not saying these conversations have never happened, just that in terms of like, ambient posts that float round my very dykey dash, the discussions and meta that circulate on this the lesbian social media, are overwhelmingly stripped of any connection to aotearoa in general, let alone te ao māori in specific. and because of the nature of american internet hegemony this just,,,isn't noticed, because how does a fish know it's in the ocean u know? i have seen discussions along these lines come up, and it's there if i specifically go looking for it, but it's not present in the bulk of tlt content that has its own circulatory life and i jut find that grim and a part of why the fandom is difficult to engage with.
#tlt#the locked tomb#i don't really have an answer lmao this is more#an expression of frustration and discomfort#over the way posts about john gaius seem to have very little connection to the background muir actually gave him#like you cant describe him as an educated leftist bisexual man#without INCLUDING that he is māori#that has an impact! that has weight and importance!#that is a background to every decision he makes#from the meat wall to the nuke to his relationship with the earth#and it also has weight and importance in the decisions that muir makes in writing him#it is not a neutral decision that he's known as john gaius lmao#it's not a neutral decision that the empire is explicitly of roman/latin extraction#it's not even neutral that this is a book about necromancy#it's certainly not a neutral fucking decision that john was at one point a māori man living in the bush#when the nz govt decided to send cops in#like that is a thing that happens here! that is a reference to nz cultural and political events that informs john's character and actions#and with the nature of who john is in the story#informs the narrative as a whole#and i think the tiresome part of this experience is that#in general#americans are not well positioned to understand that something might be being written from outside their experience as a default#like obviously many many americans in online leftist & queer spaces are willing to learn and take on new information#but so much of the conversation starts from a place of having to explain that forests exist to fish
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my feelings on romance really aren't complex tbh. i enjoy making meaningful and long lasting connections with people and i've definitely loved some of them in ways that wouldn't be considered platonic by an outside observer, but when it comes to the concept of "romance" and romantic relationships i'm just like
#🐉#like ill say i love someone and people will ask me why i dont 'tell them how i feel' and make it exclusive and all that#and im like. well i dont need them to want to be in an exclusive romantic relationship with me. im happy just being one of the#important people in their life and someone they enjoy spending time with and seek out for company#whether we live together and see each other every day or only a few times a year#and i DO tell them i love them and trust that my words and actions show them how i feel#idk
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In a world where both “long-life/short-life” and “party leader/party mage” relationships are both seen as very popular and common romances, Marcille & Laios are fighting for their lives w their undefined qpr thing. And I’m proud of them.
#it’s so funny to me that they are at the intersection of two - TWO!!! - of the most common in universe romance tropes#and then proceed to build this incredibly close important relationship but they are like dodging the ‘genre mandated romance’ at every turn#they don’t realize they are doing it it’s like the gag where a character bends down to tie their shoe right as something whizzes by overhea#except instead of Deadly Projectile it’s hetero/amatonormativity#(don’t tag/comment that they are in-laws please. leave me be make another post)
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comfort character cuddle pile. I love you wizards
#adventure time#abracadaniel#ron james#life giving magus#simon petrikov#okay to tag as ship!!! didnt draw this with any specific relationships in mind its ambiguous on purpose#abracadaniel being the smallest important to me#also hi. is it clear I like drawing characters with tails#every nonhuman character WILL get a tail. mandatory
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forget sister being the co-parent to junior. tex does it for the simple reason of church hates it with a burning passion
#listen i love sister and jr having a good relationship but i also love smug annoying tex so here we are#church thinks she’s joking until jr’s spending every other weekend at their place and he actually rips his hair out about it#important note is that tex does not want to parent junior. she just wants to piss off church#tex smugly: ‘come on church he’s just a kid. i thought you liked kids’#church: ‘THATS NOT A KID ITS AN ABOMINATION’#this is peak chexer to me#tex and tucker teaming up to ruin church’s life#this would be my number one headcanon if it weren’t for the fact i think tex is hardwired to be afraid of the aliens#bc the director knew she was killed by them and so alpha was afraid of her being killed by them and blah blah blah#rvb#red vs blue#agent texas#tex rvb#junior rvb#jr rvb#leonard church#church rvb#ignore the fact I haven’t posted abt rvb in so long I promise im still here
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Out of every single relationship in the Whoniverse, whatever the Doctor and the Master have going on just hits different. Like a rock. I’m sure everyone feels this way about their fave Doctor ship, but my experience is that once you go Thoschei, you cannot go back. Given the narrative symmetry, character foiling, interwoven parallels, tragically dramatic irony, frustratingly unspeakable ambiguous romance that defies traditional ship canonization in the true chaotic spirit of Doctor Who, and a unique backstory setup that allows the characters to have history that other individuals cannot match, while fate (and the format of the show) pushes them together over and over again indefinitely, without hope of lasting reconnection lest the setup break, the Doctor and Master’s codependent anti-soulmate life or death partnership arguably (narratively) cheapens every other pairing beyond comparison. Their tragedy never leaves you. (And keeps you up at night)
#everyone else is in a space opera or spy thriller and Thoschei are in a Greek tragedy#no thoughts only Thoschei#frey’s timey wimey whovian era#I’m really new here but FUCK they gobbled me brains like a flesh eating infection#Thoschei#doctor/master#doctor who#is Thoschei technically canon? yes. does it still feel like a fever dream? yes#if they ever kiss (romantically) again it will send the world into shock and frenzy#Twissy#spydoc#tensimm#etc.#and by cheapen every other pairing I mean ‘best pairing to study in a literature circle”#not “the Doctor’s relationship with the master is their most important” although -#aka I think they’ve got the best combination of concept and execution
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Okay but pushing the Spock/Saavik thing, which has never been canon (I don’t count the cave thing because that was done to save his life under crazy circumstances, and books are not canon), in Unification is an interesting choice!
Because having Jim being the last person Spock sees as he dies makes it at the very least seem like a “my first spouse died and I remarried” situation — as well as the way that Jim and Saavik look at each other. Which, I would prefer to see as a father-figure type of situation where Jim is super proud of her and emotional over how she’s been there for Spock, but for the purposes of the video I can definitely see it in this light.
Not to mention the fact that Spock getting Saavik pregnant while he was (1) without a soul and (2) a teenager was intentionally NOT included in the movies and vetoed by Nimoy for good reason. (Being that it was a very creepy suggestion!)
Because why else wouldn’t Saavik be there, given the fact that they would have had a marriage longer than the time Spock even knew Jim? (Rip) I’m personally still not a fan of Spock/Saavik and will always see it as a familial relationship, but depicting everything in this way was certainly a choice. Because of course platonic soulmates are very real, but still not being the “most important” person in your alleged husband’s life so many years after his purely platonic bestie died is a… unique dynamic, if that’s what they’re trying to sell.
Unless she got pregnant and kept the baby and then the family just rolled with it, which would be highly unconventional but still not the weirdest thing to happen in Trek.
#I don’t like to say most important#because obviously relationships are more complex than that#but that’s the way the video is making it seem#me and my father figure and our son 🥰#I also keep him alive every 7 years but we don’t mention that#unification#spirk#star trek#saavik#k/s#not to mention the fact that Spock getting Saavik pregnant wasn’t in the movies for a GOOD REASON
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lmao if you're a mourn watch (and possibly other urban-ish based backgrounds too I'm not sure?) mage, when you get the scene with strife coming to pick up emmrich for their date (bless) and he says that 'the thing about your friend is that for a city mage, he isn't afraid to play in the mud' thing, rook puts up the faux big wounded eyes and protests 'hey, I'm a city mage! 🥺'. (to which strife says 'well we can't all be perfect' and stone cold walks away. king. have fun out there with the lightning bugs and your lanky fancylad I've seen his fully unleashed rizz in action and you're a lucky guy <3<3<3)
#who the companions decide to go to for romantic advice amongst each other is unhinged and hilarious and I love every single one of them#you know lucanis personally and have seen his game unfold and decided this is the guy who'll know just what to do. amazing!#dragon age#dragon age: the veilguard#emmrich x strife#dragon age: the veilguard spoilers#dragon age spoilers#strife dragon age#emmrich volkarin#rye making careful notes: lucanis NOT into bejeweled skulls. struck from list of ideas for wintersend presents#focus in on 'wyvern - knife - coffee - cooking' nexus of interests and I think we'll be good. maybe a book#(he had been considering presenting him with zara's skull specifically but decided to err on the side of caution after this#and not go for it. one cannot always trust one's own kneejerk romantic instinct when one grows up in a crypt around a bunch#of cheery academic goths. rye may keep baron van markham on his mantelpiece but the instinct is apparently not universal)#communication is important in a relationship! ask your significant other if he wants preserved body parts of his targets around the house#skull statues around his estate not conclusive enough evidence to work from that was probably put there before he was born#and he's from a long line of different kind of edgelords to your brand. cross cultural dating holds many hazards#but nothing that cannot be navigated by honesty and good communication and the power of love#rye is not afraid to play in the mud as such but he IS very bad at it. he grew up doing necropolis crypt baby parkour#out in the wilds davrin is frequently still shaking his head at how this weird indoor kid is still alive and saving him from scrapes#varric and rye handshake meme 'why is the outdoors. like this tho'
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shep I was talking to my brother about dbhc xisuma as one does and mentioned that ask about not being able to puzzle xisuma's face together mentally and my brother joked that the reason you put the spoiler bars and such on his face is cause you cant draw his whole face yet 😂
anyway I might have talked his ear off about dbhc idk tho lmao
LMAOO NOOOO!!! MY SECRET FINALLY IS OUT!!! /silly
#HEHE thats rly fun though i hope your brother is enjoying the osmosis XD#truthfully... drawing xisuma's face is still really difficult for me... bc he's always like. the character whose personality and character#like. comes from the fact that we never see his face? and so there's something about him that feels more... right when his face is just.#a mystery#but i DO have a facecanon for him. esp for dbhc bc its important. even if when i think Xisuma i don't think of his face the way i might whe#I think of other characters. that isn't the reason why I spoiler it though XD when we get the face reveal it'll be obvious enough. i hope#LMAO.#anyway#idk like#some of the first sketches i did of Xisuma's face will still be my favorites tbh#it's hard to capture the same energy of a rough sketch when you try to sharpen those soft edges into a clean picture yknow?#i HAVE gotten better at it though.... square-ish face but soft on the edges... kind blue eyes... hair always tied back tightly and neatly#idk. i think about him a LOT#especially lately but we knew this hehehe#i think he deserves to take the helmet off every once and a while and just. breathe and get out of his own head yknow#i think he gets better at it in s9 even if he only takes it off around people he really trusts (keralis and cleo)#not that doc hasnt seen him or that he distrusts doc but... well. that whole relationship is a work in progress since season 8 was. well#anyway im really and truly rambling <3#xisumas face is both an enigma to me and a soft sturdy shape in my brain... its hard to replicate consistently but those doodles are#just for me anyway =w= <3#(and a few select others. who Know. you know who you are)
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Hi i've read some posts of you about Tsats and it seems like you didn't like the book.
Honestly i'm with you in this 'cause i find it problematic on so many levels (characterizations, inconsistencies, ableism) but apparently there's gonna be a sequel???? What do you think about it?
i think i can pretty concisely summarize my thoughts about the sequel with:
Longer version: It just feels wholly unnecessary. There's no continuation to use for a sequel, really. The first TSATS was unnecessary to begin with but it was so focused on leaving no stone unturned that it functionally left no loose ends to tie up. There's just nowhere to go with it unless they do even MORE retconning and warping characters OOC to string some kind of plot out of, but even that wouldn't reasonably give them enough to make a full novel's worth of plot out of anyways, which means if this sequel is novel-length like the last then it will drag on SO. MUCH. TSATS1 already had horrible pacing problems. There's no way this won't be worse.
#braghis#ask#tsats crit#like ive said before: an anthology of individual short stories focusing on nico and will throughout their relationship or adventures#would have been leagues better. its clearly what they wanted to do in the first place since half the pacing problems in TSATS are just#shoehorning in awkward flashbacks every chapter for the first two thirds of the book because they needed an excuse to put all that in#i have no problem with framed narratives but GOD we really did not need to go in-depth about absolutely EVERYTHING#you're SUPPOSED to leave details untouched. if its not narratively important dont sidetrack everything to explain every detail#and especially dont create an entire side thing to excuse interrupting the story every chapter to go on a flashback tangent about nothing#and drag both each individual flashback AND the interrupting sidequest on SO GODDAMN LONG#the format itself is not the problem it's the fact that they did a shit job at it
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thinking about religion is a fun part of character analysis and development i think. like obviously it’s not a requirement, but also religion has been a HUGE part of civilization and how we see and interact with the world ever since it first started, and i think that what a character believes spiritually and how they interact and grapple with that can be important to explore (even necessary for some stories!)
#and again obviously it’s not going to be present in every narrative#but sometimes it’s like. okay you’ve included a religion and religious themes in your story. how do your characters deal with that#for narratives like omori id say it’s important to consider because the church is an important location in the town!#its inclusion presence and failures are all significant to the story!!#or smth like nerdy prudes must die. you can NOT analyze grace chasity without taking an honest look at her relationship to christianity!!!
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Lmao I remember seeing images of vi as a pitfighter and thinking "noo spoilers 😭" (I didn't want to know ANYTHING about season 2 before watching it--get the best experience, yk?).
But like,,, Vi's pitfighter phase was so insignificant? Like actually so brushed over? I totally forgot about it because it had one stupid montage and that's it.
Why did she even become a pitfighter? Ik that it's her coping with her life falling apart, by why pitfighting? And also where's the pitfighting happening? And why is that vander replacement there? What??? Can they not like continue the insane worldbuilding they had from before please?
ffs I'm tired of people claiming that people critiquing arcane have no media literacy and want to be spoon fed. Be so fr the first season of arcane is so so SO GOOD because the reasoning behind characters' decisions were explained/shown before the decision was made. (silco choosing that kid to be the first human shimmer weapon because that kid fucked up his recon mission on vi/powder/mylo/claggor so badly, powder wanting to prove that she isn't a jinx because mylo keeps dissing her about it, marcus being a mess of a dirty cop because his family's safety is in silco's hands, etc, etc)
Characters are not real people. Sure, a real person can make decisions out of left field. Yeah, real people have microexpressions that can tell you a lot about what they're thining. But a character's motivations and how they think should be clear to the audience (generally, ofc there's exceptions im not stupid yo).
Yeah, I know why each character did what they did in s2, but not in the way I did in s1. Not in a way that matters.
I mean, I totally forgot that Mel and Jayce were in a relationship in s1. Where did that go?? I guess people are so obsessed with jayvik that they were probably celebrating that the writers forgor about that important character/plot point. You're telling me not a single character has ANY curiosity??? Jayce sees that Mel is a mage and doesn't, yk, insist on getting the full story??? And vice versa??? Even if they implied that that conversation happens off-screen that's not enough. Seeing how these two very close characters express these very traumatic events to each other would be such a good look into their internal mindscapes and how they view the crazy shit that just happened to them. But nooo. We can't explore their relationship together because jayce needs to be obsessed with viktor.
GOD I want a bi character in a show to come out of a same-sex relationship and end up in a "straight" relationship just to watch the internet fucking implode. Every bi/plurisexual person deserves a smooch on the forehead and a little voice that tells them 'love who you love, nothing could make you less queer than you are. yeah, people sure do think otherwise but fuck them ong holy shit'
omggg dont even get me started on caitvi... can we not get a healthy wlw relationship that isn't rooted in codependency and general toxicity?? "people just cant let lesbians have anything can they," i've heard people say in response to people criticising the caitvi sex scene... NO! I want sapphics to know that they can have healthy, non-abusive relationships where you, yk, actually talk to your partner and ARENT just the dirt under their nails. tf.
#arcane critical#i havent rewatched s2 yet so maybe ill notice the anwers to some of my questions then#but like#omg#what happened to the nuance and having every scene be so important for the greater scheme#characters can make stupid decisions#i love when characters are stupid#but you have to SHOW me /why/ they did what they did#s2 art is amazing#but that scene where silco pays marcus' home a visit in s1 is so much more impressive in every aspect to me#god#im so devastated#and please can we be critical of queer relationships?#queer rep is cool and all but it's important to know that a queer relationship can be healthy?#is that such a crazy notion?#also#biphobia#have ppl considered not being biphobic#wlw#but make it healthy and with women who have actual good character development that isn't glossed over (impossible)#rant#omg i am so not normal about thijs#would die for arcane s1 -> biggest arcane s2 hater#is such a funny pipeline#im so glad im not in it alone 😭😭#ramble#lol
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You ever think about how in spite of knowing their exact locations, the game never gives any indication that templar Carver has reported his mage sibling, Merril (a blood mage) or Anders (an abomination) to his superiors?
I do think about that a lot, even though I tend to ignore the Templar Carver route because I know Warden Carver to be true in my heart and soul... but I totally get the appeal of Templar Carver within DA2's narrative, y'know?
It's so fascinating, really. I've never played a run with Templar Carver, I just can't bring myself to do it, so I know I'm missing out on smaller details of it. From what I do know, this drives me crazy in the best way possible.
Deciding whether to bring him or not to the Deep Roads is such an important choice, not only because it affects his fate, but how it affects his relationship to Hawke. He tells you that he wants to go, he makes it very clear that it's important to him that he goes, too... and Hawke can just leave him behind and it hurts him. I don't think that registers enough with some people just because of how Carver is, like it doesn't matter what Hawke's motivations are [staying behind for his safety, not wanting to bring him, thinking someone should stay with Leandra, etc] it still hurts him because it tells him that Hawke doesn't need him, and Carver wants to be needed.
And yes, there are other contributing factors to why he joins the templars, but it doesn't matter what your relationship is to him, it doesn't change the fact that he doesn't turn Hawke or his companions in.
Sure, the meta reason is it's a video game and you're playing the main character. You're never in any actual danger of being captured by templars, and you're not going to lose your companions to them that easy.
But if we look at it through the narrative and Carver's character, that's when it gets interesting. You can max out his rivalry and be an utter asshole to him [there's a point where you can call him a brat and mock him for being stuck in your shadow, like Hawke can be real cruel about it] but it doesn't matter, you're still his sibling. He even makes a remark about how you might not know what that means [referring to leaving him behind] but he does. He refuses to kill Hawke in the end when Meredith makes the order, too.
Which can I just point out that Hawke has the option to let Bethany die in the end if she's with the circle and they side with the templars? Just saying, Carver NEVER does that no matter what, but Hawke has the option to betray Bethany like that and it's fucked and interesting and it makes me want to eat my chair-
As for Merrill and Anders, I think he knows that if he turns either of them in, then the chances of Hawke being brought in as well skyrocket. They're all friends, they're in the same group... bring one in, and you'll probably get the other two.
I also think Carver just genuinely likes Merrill. Yes, I'm a Carver/Merrill shipper, so I have a bias, but even if you remove anything romantic from their dynamic I believe that's true. Of all the companions, Merrill is the only one who doesn't make fun of him, or find him annoying, in party banters. He never snaps back at her, like he's never defensive with her, he's just a little awkward and nice.
Like, HE'S SO NICE TO HER! He tries to find common ground with her! She asks him about "swording" and he's taken aback by her saying he's good at it, but you KNOW that if someone like Anders asked him the same question, he's be all, "shut up, you're stupid, stop talking to me >:["
Think back to that banter Carver can have with Aveline post-act 1 where they're talking about how the guard wasn't the right place for him [hard disagree with you there, Aveline] and Carver says he was a bit of a tit, wasn't he.... and every companion will agree except Merrill. She doesn't say anything, whereas other companions like Anders will be like "ugh maker YES" and if you have a purple Hawke, they'll go on to other ways Carver was a tit like?? I think Carver and Merrill got along and he doesn't want to turn her in because she was nice to him! And she's a blood mage! He knows what will happen to her if the templars get ahold of her! He doesn't want to see her made tranquil or killed!
At that point, he's witnessed what bad blood mages can do, assuming you've brought him along for those quests, but even so. He knows Merrill isn't like that and he likes her, so of course he's not going to turn her in despite that being his literal duty.
Then there's Anders who Carver doesn't like. If you're in a romance with him, Carver will tell him that's why he doesn't turn him in but c'mon Carver, you know that's not the only reason. My theory is Carver may not like Anders and he knows the man's got a spirit of justice inside of him... but Anders also runs a free clinic. If he's ever taken in by templars, then so many people [including a LOT of Fereldan refugees] will be without free health care and will suffer for it. I think in Carver's eyes, Anders might be irritating but he doesn't more good than harm. Carver knows first hand how shitty refugees and poorer people are treated in Kirkwall. Anders' clinic is the one place they can go for help and actually get it, and he's not going to be the one to take that away because the templars say "magic bad."
So yeah, I'm not as informed about the Templar Carver route, but I do think about how if I did do that route, he wouldn't betray Hawke or their companions no matter what and what that says about him.
#asks#dragon age 2#da2#carver hawke#da2 merrill#da2 anders#listen i love carver hawke okay he and bethany are my favorite companions in da2#i could talk endlessly about the twins and their roles in story and how unfair it is that only one of them can make it to kirkwall#meaning we hardly get to see them interact with each other before one dies and UGH#like i get it their stories rely heavily on them being the only mage or non-mage in the sibling trio so both of them living#would've meant writing two different origins stories for them with different attitudes affected by having another siblings that like them#but also i think if hawke's a rogue then leandra should've died and we could've worked it out okay#ANYWAY... templar carver amirite? i know i should go that route just to say i have and to see it for myself but hhhnnnggggg...#it physically pains me to think of not bringing him to the deep roads though it's so important to him and my hawke works so hard#to repair his relationship with his brother okay i max out carver's friendship every time and it's so worth it#you don't understand okay friendship carver is the best he's so goddamn sweet i can't handle it#it's actually so interesting how bethany and carver start out versus how they end because bethany starts out as the super sweet one#whereas carver's surly and bitter... but past act 1? it's like they flip?? at least on the warden paths like bethany is BRUTAL#she's so fucking bitter and rude and I love it?? like her relationship with hawke is in the trenches whereas carver's is vastly improved#again no matter your approval with him when you reunite in act 2 he will ALWAYS tell hawke that 'i'm sure you did your best'#referring to leandra's death but bethany's response will change depending on your approval with her#and if i remember right the rivalry response is OOF#carver and bethany turn me into a little giggling gremlin i love them so much
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Okay yes odysseus absolutely fumbled first meeting with penelope. He was an absolute goof. Tripping over himself, blushing, loosing games because penelope waved at him, getting caught mid lie ect ect
But have we considered penelope was equally a mess?
#Odypen#Odysseus#Penelope#the odyssey#epic the musical#Pre-canon shenanigans my beloved#Odypen being 🥰🤝 rat bastards in love#It's so important to me that odysseus and penelope remain equal on every level#Odysseus pulling off the poor bumpkin island king breaking into the private rooms of the Spartan family and getting caught#Penelope shrieking and chucking vase at odysseus's head#Odysseus: What do you want from the market I'll buy you anything#Penelope: how tf are you going to get me courting gifts aren't you broke?? You brought 3 gifts for Helen's hand#Odysseus: tripping and nearly falling on his sword bc penelope waved at him#Penelope tripping into her room and getting tangled inthe strings because she saw ody from her widow#Meet ugly my beloved#Listen listen I see so many things about odysseus being obsessed with penelope and penelope being the calm cool collected one#And that is not the case#They are the same person#Also I feel like teenagers in their first relationship are never graceful they are all goofs and that's how it should be#Let them be silly!!!#Odysseus: I need her to be mineeee Athena: fuck I need a break from this nonsense goes to see what penelope is doing#Penelope: weaving odysseus's face into a wedding dress athena: I don't know why I bother#Odysseus: going to pull a prank running into penelope trying to pull the same one
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