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eri-pl · 4 months ago
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OP tags: #But WHY WOULD THINGOL GIVE THE SILMARIL TO SoF#Excellent question#In this version he is not a person with feelings#he is a perfect moral good#In the real version he is a person with feelings and he’ll be damned if he gives up a bloody Silmaril that cost his daughter’s immortality#Yeah#that’s not morally good#but neither is Doriath my guys#silmarillion#silm#Silm meta#silm au#thingol#sons of feanor#nirnaeth arnoediad
I mean if Carcaroth had not eaten the messangers from Thingol to Maedhros; and if Maedhros was not too "family above all else" to apologize for C&C, distance himself from their behavior and promise to keep them in check—
—oh and actually told Thingol of the little "we believe that if we don't regain and defend the gems we are going to be doomed/cursed/stop existing/whatever" detail (which it's very possible nobody had ever told him about per the Silm version)—
—Thingol might have given it.
[Also, a note: Even with the most "reclaim the Silmarils"-oriented and most punishing interpretations of the Oath, Maedhros being given the Silmaril under the condition that C&C can't play with it/wear it/ generally have custody of it, and following those conditions, does not send anyone nto Everlasting Darkness. It just makes C&C upset. And Thingol very much would do that. And Maedhros very much would rather do that than murder. So, cut to frustrated C&C inventing a better way to attack Angband, and with Curufin they may as well invent pyrotechnics and da Vinci-style helicopters.]
Canon Divergent AU where Thingol gives the Silmaril to the Sons of Feanor after receiving it from Beren alright Ulfang I’d like to see your slimy son get close to his commander without running away from ‘the power of that holy jewel’
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n0tamused · 14 days ago
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heard u were desperate for elf asks and me, the local elf fucker, has decided to grace your life pookie😚
elves who have still yet to start their courting with their human s/o, finding pieces of themselves in their work room or finding their human passed out over a table. huffing about human fragility under their breaths, walking over to drag them back to their bed for a proper rest, freezes before their ears turn a cute pink because their sweet mortal was musing about them. whether it be poetry draft, painting, art, sculpture in process, embroidery — anything. and elves adore art, so this is like skipping straight to “will you marry me?” before starting their dating
A/n: thank you for stopping by once again Nobu! Please stop more often hdhfhhs <3 I do hope you like this pookie. I planned to put even more characters into this, but that would have been too much for one post, so I'll separate it into another post tehee
Content: Thranduil, Glorfindel, Maedhros x GN!Reader, fluff hcs, a tinge of angst in Maedhros' part (ofc)..
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𓄃Thranduil
-The vast forests of Mirkwood held much beauty, and even more when one looked closer into them. The trees were one of a kind, holding memories of old and having seen rises and falls of  both elf and man. Yet they all remained steadfast, roots holding them upright. In the same manner, Thranduil held himself
-It was an image not many could ever hope to replicate, and a trait many aspired to have, like big fancy shoes one hopes to grow into
-And perhaps you have spent too long in the Woodland realm, you’ve learned a lot, but a lot more was waiting to be learned as well. It came to a boiling point where you were growing fussy with yourself for not having a pipe through which to blow your steam out through. There was so much beauty and lore, yet you couldn’t find a way to capture it all. And seeing all of this, your tense display, Thradnuil had gifted you paints and canvases and brushes, and a whole new room so well illuminated that you could even paint in it during the night, given you had a good candle with you. 
-It came as a relief, having your own space, yet you felt indebted to him as much as you felt flattered that the elven-king cared so much about your comfort. When he had approached you with the request to court you, he almost seemed aloof, despite his request holding many thoughtful words and his gifts showing even more care. But that could be just the little voice of the devil that came with courting one of the most important figures in Middle-Earth. You didn’t express this much to Thranduil, for he really did his best at meeting you halfway with the courting traditions of men and elves.
-In turn you decided to paint him. Or, at least, try to do so. It would be worth it. So you set out on this quest and holed yourself in the painting room, having selected a medium sized canvas and the best colors you could ever hope to pair up with one another. The initial layout looked good, with Tranduil standing in the woods, surrounded by greens, oranges and reds, wearing an outfit he recently wore when he took you out on a walk through the forest. There is also a large elk approaching him in the painting, but you saved the animal to be painted last. You had covered most of the canvas, nearly finished with the backdrop of multiple tree trunks and you were working your way to the foreground when your vision began to droop and blur.
-Raising your head you saw that it was well past sunset and you could no longer see the color on your canvas as well, your candle was flickering out.
-But your chambers seemed a world away, you could not bother to try your legs to walk the distance. And the next best thing was the bench in the room, usually reserved for any guests you may have hosted, but tonight it would be your bed. You moved the plush pillows and the blanket around until you were comfortable, and you finally shut your eyes for the last time that night.
-Thranduil had wandered in some time later, finding it rather odd that he hadn't seen you for the entire day, and the guards he asked about your whereabouts had little answers as well. But his instincts told him you’d be here.
-He went in with his lamp, alone venturing into your space and  seeing the canvas first. For half a heartbeat he half-expected to find you behind it, painting in the dark - humans had weird ways of doing things, he realized
-But once he went around it, he only saw an empty chair and unwashed brushes, crusted with paint. And the unfinished painting..
-His breath stopped in his throat, his brows furrowing as he leaned in closer, shining the light of the lamp onto the canvas. He thought his mind was playing tricks on him, surely it wasn’t his likeness he was seeing in the sketch lying underneath the drying paint? But the worse option was to believe that it was another elf wearing his attire
-A soft hum snapped his focus away, and he turned to see you shifting in your sleep. It was then when he felt his ears begin to burn, his lips pushing into a thin line as he attempted to ease his heart from beating so terribly fast, too hard, he felt it beating against the bones of his ribcage
-He coughed into the palm of his hand then took a deep breath, approaching you after what felt like an eternity of waiting. It was in your shared interest that you sleep somewhere comfortable.. 
-Despite his racing thoughts, he did make it a point to talk to you in the morning about your courtship, perhaps this was your way to signal him that you were ready for the next stage..? 
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☀︎Glorfindel
-There are not many things that can catch Glorfindel by surprise; he is a seasoned individual, both in the art of combat and in more mundane things. He has seen much, and more. His mind is not so closed off to the change in the world, and while he is used to planning things, strategizing, his mind does prefer to take life one day at a time. Let life be the present moment until tomorrow arrives.
-You came into his life rather unexpectedly, but he welcomed you all the same. What feelings began to brew he had hoped to keep secret for a while longer, but once he realized that things were not going to change and that his feelings were only growing, taking into account your mortality, he had approached you and asked to court you
-He delivered the speech elegantly, armed with his usual carefree and easy going demeanor, but once his breath fell short towards the end you could tell that this meant a lot to him. And stepping into this more intimate relationship with him felt much easier than expected, but now you just had much more affection from him, and you had the privilege of seeing him more as well
-It was only natural that your own nature led to you wanting, even needing, to preserve him in some form of a craft. To flatter him the same way he did you, or to simply have something to remind you of him when he wasn’t with you
-Poems you tried, but no word seemed sufficient enough to capture Glorfindel’s character. Art you tried too, but you proved not skilled enough to satisfy yourself with those results. So you turned to something else - embroidery. It wasn’t easy, but the process was more satisfying and the image that was slowly coming into reality made you much more happier than the other attempts at making something in the image of Glorfindel
-It was a bit of a challenge to discard the failed attempts from him, but embroidery was easier to deal with before the bigger image was beginning to materialize. ‘It’s only a little something I’m making…for decor!’ or ‘I wish to give my mother something as a gift’ and so on. Glorfindel did not distrust you on that. It made sense, and why would you hide anything from him, anyway?
-Perhaps you overestimated yourself with your human strength, staying night after night doing work or finishing the embroidery or being unable to sleep. But exhaustion finally caught up to you one evening as you were sitting by the hearth. The warmth of the fire was licking up your arms and the side of your face, tempting you to close your eyes, lulling you to sleep. And before you knew it, your heavy eyelids giving way to darkness to overtake you
-Glorfindel found you in your chair, chin on your chest and arms stretched down to your lap, fingers still touching the wooden hoop keeping the canvas in place. The needle was slipping from your fingers, hanging on by a thread. 
-Glorfindel shook his head and approached slowly, being light on his feet as he took the needle from your limb fingers. The thread pulled at the canvas as he picked it up, and it was then when he saw the picture you were making. His brows furrowed in focus and he felt more alert than a moment prior. He pried the wooden embroidery hoop from your hand and picked it up to take a closer look. Now that he thought of it, he hasn’t seen the progress made on this in a long while. 
-It was a field of golden flowers, carefully crafted with yellow thread and in the middle was a finished white horse, and a person - well most of them. They were unfinished and only the shoulders-down of the body was visible, but Glorfindel recognized the clothes as his own, and he could recognize Asfaloth in any format.
-He wasn’t caught by surprise often, he held and open and calm mind, but even if he had expected this, even if he did hope for this, it made his heart feel like bursting 
-He had to hold himself back from bowing down beside you, taking your sleepy face in his hands only to wake you up with a dozen of kisses
-Glorfindel really did his best to not cause a scene in that moment, and after a moment of simply admiring the artwork and tracing the pads of his fingers over the thread on canvas, his smile only growing, he had to remind himself that you were still asleep in a chair. And your back wouldn’t be thanking you in the morning for that
-After setting aside your embroidery, he gently picked you up and carried you to bed, smiling all the way and feeling how his chest swam with joy and a feeling he could only describe as a well-stuffed feather bed
-He laid you down, bringing the covers over you and for a moment longer he just admired you, having so much to tell you, but he settled with a kiss to your cheek for now, making a note to himself to make a better gift for you, and to ask for your hand soon.
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⚔︎Maedhros
-There was little place for a human in Maedhros’ life, even as wars came and went and brought before him countless faces only for him to see them fall before him in the days following. He has seen much, too much, but there was only one path in his life, and it lay ahead of him.  Yet, even his path wasn’t made wholly of only the things he knew. There were things changing, with him and around him
-It was strange to have someone with him. Ever since you came into his life Maedhros had slowly begun to adjust the ways when it came to interacting with you, and what  chats you two had always managed to take his mind off of the constant battles and the Oath. It took a longer time for him to realize it and come to terms with his feelings, but once he did he plucked up whatever strength and elegance he could summon. He remembered the person he was before coming here, before everything, and he did his best to emulate that stability and a bit more cheerful demeanor. How much that works.. well you can imagine. But that does not mean he was bad at it, just not as good as enthusiastic as he imagined he’d be </3 He does think about it later and does wonder if you would have preferred if he asked in some other fashion
-Maedhros visits you when he can, although the truly private times between the two of you are far and few between with such a big host of people following him and waiting on his orders. He does treasure any moment he has with you. He hold your hand and kisses the inside of your wrists before he has to depart, kisses your forehead when he comes to see you and sits right besides you for as long as he is with you
-His heart had grown much more fond of you, it feels alive and the scars he bears nearly feel non-existent when he’s around you
-And little by little, you manage to get the old Maedhros from underneath the rubble. He had  taken habit to calling you ‘his light’ in elvish, among some other endearments
-It was a late night when he came to visit you, and he did expect he might not find you awake at the hour but he tried his luck regardless as he went into your chambers. Despite your earlier claims that ‘he doesn’t need to knock’ he knocked anyway, only opening the door when he got no response.
-And there you were. Sitting at your little table (although everything average to us is little to Maedhros-) with your head on your arms. A quil rested between your fingers, and a blotch of ink was left both on paper and the wooden surface. As much as it was endearing at first, Maedhros couldn’t help but worry. He hurried in, carefully closing the doors and peering at your face before he agreed with that little voice in his head - you were fine, just asleep.
-His large palm tenderly caressed your upper back, coaxing your sleepy self to move just enough until the point he could pick you up without jostling you around too much. Your bed was just beside the table, so after he had settled you in, he smiled at the  thought of your stubbornness to leave your work corner. He knew you could be stubborn beyond measure, especially about things that you held dear to heart
-Not wanting to depart yet, he went back to your table to see what he could do with the spilled ink and scattered papers
-He found a towel nearby and used it to suck up the wet ink - the dry splotches were beyond his skill. It was quiet work, but he found his mind wandering, one might even call it relaxing. 
-He was picking up papers absentmindedly, not wishing to overstep your own trust by peering into whatever it is you scribbled down
-And he held onto that thought until he glimpsed something he couldn’t ignore. Since when did you know elvish?
-It suddenly came into view, the papers he held in hand were all letters in elvish, although each stroke revealed you were a novice in the language, but he also saw effort and thoughtfulness. The first page began with ‘Dear Maedhros’ and then the rest continued on into a poem. Maedhros thought he was dreaming, and had to glimpse outside the window to remind himself where he was 
-He read through and found himself falling apart from within. Each line, each word, addressed to him held so much love and care, it meant more than any song some bard could sing of his valor in battle. And it was written by you - and you’ve seen how ugly he could be, yet you wrote how you loved him all.
-He was probably as red as his hair, but his lips also twisted downwards in this pout-like expression keeping tears at bay. His heart felt full, too full for him to manage. Maedhros doesn’t remember the last time he felt like this. And with his curiosity sparked, he peered into the crumbled letters scattered around, finding even more verses that were unfinished. On the corner of the table was a thick book, almost crumbling to ashes from how old it looked, but he recognized it as the first book holding the alphabet of men and elves, translations and grammatical rules to follow
-Maedhros sat down, not trusting his legs to keep him upright anymore, holding the letters to his chest.
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apoloadonisandnarcissus · 4 months ago
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Has Galadriel already touched the darkness?
Yes. When? In this scene:
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And she’ll have to deal with the consequences of it in Season 3.
Until this point she didn’t touch the darkness. Her being proud, rebellious or killing Orcs isn’t “touching the darkness”. From that point of view, every Elf was dark, which isn't the case. She's royalty, she's a princess, and behaves as such: of course she's arrogant, and proud, and thinks she's always right and can do whatever she wants. That's not being "dark". She enjoys power, and for others to bow down to her will, that's the reason why Sauron's temptation was to make her queen, because that's what she truly wants. And that D, but that's a question for another time.
The "darkness" in Tolkien lore is absolute corruption, and perversion of purpose and of Eru’s creation. It’s what Morgoth did to Mairon, and to every other Maia who became a servant of his.
We see the effects of darkness in both Mairon and Adar. Adar tell us a bit about this process, in 2x01: 
In the eldest of the Elder Days. Thirteen of us were chosen to be blessed of Morgoth's hand, with the promise of power. A new birth. I was led up to a dark and nameless peak. Chained and left. And after what seemed endless thirst and hunger...
And this is why Sauron cries in this scene: he’s recalling the “lovely time” he had being blessed by Morgoth’s hand.
Mairon being the worst case, here: he was a Maia of Aulë, as everyone must be aware by now. He fell prey to Morgoth’s seduction of promises of power, and betrayed the Valar, and eventually become Sauron.
How did Mairon became Sauron, you ask? Thousands of years of torture and corruption, where Mairon was broken, ripped apart and reshaped by Morgoth until all of his original Eru ordained purposes were reversed: loyalty became deceit; good became evil; order became control; perfection became domination; loyalty became deceit/treachery; and beauty turned into abomination.
We joked about “evil Barbie” and how Sauron gets more androgenous as he goes deep into evil, but this is also a side-effect of Morgoth’s corruption of him, actually. Because Aulë is suppose to be “macho man” on steroids (hyper masculinity). We see this with the Dwarves (Children of Aulë) too: both men and women are very masculine and have beards, and, according to Tolkien, it’s hard for outsiders to tell them apart.
The Children of Aulë are pretty much what we saw from Halbrand (Repentant Mairon) in Season 1. While Elves are "delicate beauty", these tough mountain dwellers are Dirty Hot beauty. So, I don't understand why so many in the Tolkien fandom expect the Maiar of Aulë to be any different, only more "angelic" looking.
OG Mairon would have looked something like this, but angelic instead of human:
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Look at this freaking Dwarvish-inspired necklace! This is peak Mairon, the Maia of Aulë.
So, another one of the side effects of Morgoth’s corruption was the “feminization” of Mairon, and he'll get more androgynous as he goes deeper into evil. Meaning, Morgoth corrupted his hyper-masculinity, which raises some... strange questions.
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So, yes, Halbrand/Mairon/Sauron is absolutely correct when he asks Galadriel “what do you know of darkness?” Because she’s acts like she does, but doesn’t. At all.
“Touching the darkness” is what happened to the Sons of Fëanor, during the quest for the Silmarils, and it involved endless bloodshed, kinslaying, etc. And at the end, Maglor and Maedhros were so corrupted by darkness they couldn’t even hold the jewels on their hands, anymore. Galadriel knows nothing of this, because she never done things like this.
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inthehouseoffinwe · 3 months ago
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Just cause I think this would be cute for the Finwëans (because large extended family yanno.) Bear with me, this needs a little context.
In my culture we don’t call older siblings by their names. More than respect, we do it as a form of endearment. For example, the oldest sister is ‘Apama’
Apa - Sister (affectionate)
Ma - short form of mother (also affectionate)
Another example is ‘Apajaan’, jaan as a generic term of endearment. Usually used for people you’re close to. This also applies to older cousins, especially first cousins who get the next closest endearments. Or if you only have brothers or only have sisters, they’d take the ones available.
Eg. I don’t have any sisters but I have an older female first cousin. I’d call her Apama.
Or maybe I don’t have any older brothers, so I call my male first cousin ‘Bhaijaan’ (Bhai = brother)
SO I think it would be super cute if our resident Aman born elves with their hundred names, also had these terms for their older siblings. It would probably only be used if there’s a significant age gap, so Mae and Mags would call each other by their names, Celegorm, Caranthir, and Curufin all use each other’s names.
All of Fingon’s younger siblings call him by an endearment. Argon also uses one for Turgon and Aredhel.
All of Finrod’s siblings call him by an endearment. Aegnor and Angrod call each other by names. Galadriel doesn’t because she wants to be Different TM but it comes out in moments of high emotion. Orodreth (because I like adding him even if it was one mistake in the official stuff) calls everyone but Galadriel by one.
Ambarussa use a big sister endearment for Aredhel, since she’s so often hanging Celegorm and they see her the most. And an older cousin term for Galadriel.
The Nolofinwëans and Arafinwëans use endearments for their respective older cousins, and those of similar ages, but only those still somewhat close to the Fëanorions use any for them once they leave for Formenos.
The exception is Maedhros and potentially Maglor (depending when he was born) as the first grandchildren with a larger age gap to the rest of the family. Everyone has to call them by some term, even if it’s just out of respect. Fingolfin and Finarfin ensured this out of love for the eldest kids.
Onto Finwë’s kids.
Fëanor is oldest so it doesn’t really matter. He doesn’t particularly care if the others call him by his name or anything else.
All of Findis’ younger siblings call her by an endearment.
Fingolfin and Lalwen are pretty close in age so they call each other by names mostly (we have some more generic equal terms too.) Fingolfin probably used something for Fëanor until pride took over both brothers.
Finarfin is the baby of the family and generally a ball of sunshine until they throw the crown at him. He calls everyone by something, including Fëanor because let’s face it. He’s probably old enough to be Finarfin’s dad by the time he’s born 😂
Now the interesting thing would be seeing how these relationships dissolve over time, and when they lose these terms of respect or endearment. When the younger members start calling their siblings or cousins by their names instead. Because I don’t think it would change just because of a new language.
Most of them start calling Maedhros by his name only after the first kinslaying and Helcaraxë. Some of them return to calling him by an honorific when they see what Morgoth did to him and he gives up the crown to keep peace.
They all stop calling the rest of the Fëanorions anything but their names though. The exceptions are Fingon (who only used one for Maglor other than Mae, and that was more out of general affection than because he was older) and Finrod.
Finrod has one for Celegorm as well (he is in fact a bit younger) which he uses until the Nargothrond situation because listen. I sincerely doubt Finrod would’ve just let Celegorm and Curufin in freely if he didn’t have a good relationship with them.
Turgon starts calling Fingon by name sometimes after losing Elenwë. He doesn’t know why, he shouldn’t be angry at his brother… but he doesn’t have anywhere else to take out his fury. Fingon’s heartbroken, but he understands.
No one calls Turgon anything but his name after his disappears. Ironically enough Turgon starts calling Maedhros and Fingon by theirs again once he moves away.
Depending on their mood, the twins do or don’t call Aredhel by hers. They don’t blame her exactly, but it hurts that she’s gone. Then again, it’s not like they don’t deserve it after the boats. The younger Arafinwëans are a little less forgiving.
All the younger Fëanorions and Nolofinwëans call Angrod by name after the ban on Quenya. Some of them do the same to Finrod.
Galadriel completely stops using any and all terms after deciding to stay in Doriath. Catching herself even in those high emotion situations where it would sometimes come out. No one’s really surprised but it does hurt her brothers and Nolofinwëan cousins. She regrets this in the Second and especially Third Ages, and exclusively uses endearments when talking about them to keep some connection to her lost family.
Meanwhile on a faraway shore, Finarfin alternates between cursing his brothers and sisters’ names, and crying alone under still unfamiliar moonlight, calling for them in every term of endearment he can think of. They never answer.
…I’m sorry, this got kinda angsty towards the end 😂
Feel free to ask if you have any questions!
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dewffin · 8 months ago
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soo... I think I accidentally began to make a Silmarillion Fangame...
For some unknown reason i was like "I wanna make textures :D" but i didn't want to model shit, so i just used VROID studio as a painting book... but then i was like "ummm, i never tried to draw a character an then tried to make it 3D in vroid" so uh-
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yeah...
and then i was like "let´s drop this bad boy in Unreal to see how he looks" and because, well, i don't know why i decided to try to make him look a bit 2D? like he was drawn? like doing the complete opposite of what i just did?
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so this is what he looked when i began to play with post process stuff
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and because i wanted to look around and stuff i added a little guy i had, and it turns out that he was really little and i had to make him a box to take pics of Fëanor's face
Then i did more stuff and i ended up with these cute flowers :D
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And then I said fuck it, i think I'm making a game...
So the thing is that doing a game doing a game while being a one person studio is a biiiiiit difficult.
By that i mean i had to try to keep my head leveled in what i could do, so I ended up with this...
Tecilwë's Adventures in Arda
(yeah, i don't have a name for this)
So, you play as Tecilwë, a noldorin journalist that travels around trying to document the best stories of Arda. You can find out what is happening around by talking with people, sneaking around or finding clues. Then, you can write your take on what happens, and depending on what you say, how you say it and what secrets do you keep your reputation as a journalist and your relationship with the different character you find can change for better or worse.
A little bit about Tecilwë...
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Q Tecilwë Autanna -  S Tegilu
Tecilwë - The one who writes [tecil “pen”, wë “person”] or as i like to call them "El pibe birome"
Autanna - the lost sign, the fool sign [au “away, lost”, aut “fool”, tanna “sign, token”]
A young lore master from Tirion. Studied under Rumil, and is excited to document all that happens in the course of the story. 
Curious and eager to learn. More often than not ends up in trouble for documenting what was not supposed to be seen.
Tecilwë believes in the power of the word, and on how truth is composed by those who write it.
Not often remembered, wants to be remembered as one of the great lore masters. But the curse of the Noldor runs deep…
Basically a player insert
Y alto chismoso
What i have for now in gameplay is that you can run around a location (and you'll be able to travel to different places, but time passes so, for example, if you leave Aman you cannot go back, or if Gondolin fell then you cant go there). There as i wrote you can talk to people and find out stuff, and all what you find you write in your journal, which you can check to remember what you have seen. With all of that you can unlock new dialogues, and when you get enough information you can end the day and write like a newspaper or magazine. If, for example, you found that gasp Maedhros and Fingon are being two love birds behind a tree, you can write about that in different ways. A- You just say thing as they are. B- You say that is great to see the unity in the House of Finwë. C- Accuse Fingon of corrupting the innocent eldest of Fëanor. D- say nothing about this. With A you get lower relationship points with Russingon for exposing them. B gets you a good realtionship with them, but lower with Fëanor. C gets you a good amount of points with Fëanor, but the other two will hate your guts. And with D, nothing changes, but you can confront them about their relationship and tell them to be more careful if they want to keep it a secret.
Also if you write a lot about gossip stuff you will lose credibility and that is kinda a way to not being remember as the great Lore Master you want to be...
Also i love how FIngon's hair is coming out. This is like a first draft but it was fun to make.
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Also this motherfucker is so fucking tall
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And this is one of my favourite screenshots from when i had Fëanor as the playable character
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(also here is really noticeable that i added lights to their eyes, and it switches form golden to silver light)
In short, a gossip simulator
Also i cannot wait to make the "Who is Gil-Galad's dad" level
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starsofarda · 2 months ago
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And we are now going on with my "Mae joins the Fellowship" series.
We are now moving on from Lothlorien :D Also, IDK if I am correct or not, but I am fairly sure that Galadriel got a lot of inheritance from the Elven kingdoms, at least the items that were not destroyed/seized by Morgoth and Sauron.
I will be followinga bit of a heartcanon here, for Mae's gifts.
Part 1 / Part 2 / Part 3 / Part 4
AO3 link
Also, tiny legendarium:
ᴛʏᴘᴇᴅ: ʟᴇɢᴏʟᴀꜱ ᴀɴᴅ ʜɪꜱ ꜱʏʟᴠᴀɴ ᴅɪᴀʟᴇᴄᴛ
Italic: Sindarin
Bold: Khuzdul
Bold red: Ancient Khuzdul
𝒞𝓊𝓇𝓈𝒾𝓋𝑒: 𝒬𝓊𝑒𝓃𝓎𝒶
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And time passed by in Lothlorien, until the Fellowship, with the loss of Gandalf and the acquisition of Maedhros Feanorion, had to leave Lothlorien and continue the Quest.
A lot had happened in that realm, and a lot more still had to come, but at the moment they all would be having a little bit of peace. When Galadriel gathered the Fellowship and the entire Court for goodbyes, everyone was wondering what would happen next.
Maedhros in particular, whilst he and Galadriel were not on forgiving terms, seemed to wonder.
And Galadriel had gifts with her, at that point, and she had already started speaking in the tongue he had learned was called "Westron" - he could catch a couple of words here and there, if anthing staying with the halflings and hearing their constant chattering had had the benefit of carving at least some basic words into his brain.
He did have to stop at Gimli's gift - the Dwarf seemed quite enamoured of the Lady of the Galadhrim, something he had changed mind over during his permanence in Lothlorien. A good thing, maybe this would be a starting point to stop any nonsensical issue between Elves and Dwarves.
Galadriel spoke to Gimli gently. "And what gift would a Dwarf ask of the Elves?"
He saw Gimli hesitate and then speak - he would have to ask Aragorn to translate it later.
"There is nothing, Lady Galadriel', said Gimli, bowing low and stammering. 'Nothing, unless it might be - unless it is permitted to ask, nay, to name a single strand of your hair, which surpasses the gold of the earth as the stars surpass the gems of the mine. I do not ask for such a gift. But you commanded me to name my desire."
Maedhros heard the shocked gasps, however he did not know Westron to say what was going on.
And then he saw Galadriel unbraiding her hair and give Gimli three strands of her hair.
Oh, if Feanor had been there.
Maedhros left out a stifled laughter - yeah, that he was understanding very well. Everyone turned towards him, trying to see if everything was alright - but it appeared to be something only he and Galadriel understood, hence no one pressed further, waiting instead for things to be explained at a later time.
"Maedhros Feanorion." He heard Galadriel call him. Her tone was calm, devoid of any contempt or resentment.
"Galadriel, Lady of the Galadhrim." He replied in the same tone - solemn, void of any resentment or contempt.
Somehow she felt different, as if she had diminished. He gave her a look, trying to see what was the deal, and she caught on that. She made a vague gesture. "Let us leave this at a quick 'I passed the test'."
Maedhros nodded. There would be time to enquire.
Galadriel kept speaking. "I have clothed you and gave you knowledge of the times that have gone by since your death. However, that is not all."
Her attendants brought forward her gifts.
"To you I give you a mighty sword - you should know the previous owner. It was salvaged and I kept it, no more than a relic of a past I would rather not mention here."
And as Maedhros unveiled the sword, he knew.
He absolutely knew.
That had been Fingon's sword, exactly as he remembered it. If he focused, he could almost feel again Fingon's presence, he almost could smell again the eagle feathers and feel the gentle touch on his aching body - he looked at Galadriel with all emotions he could feel in that moment, anger, sadness, relief, confusion.
Galadriel nodded. "May this sword be a guide to you, as he had been in life."
Maedhros just nodded. That was not the moment, he told himself, this all could wait, as he compartmentalized his feelings. He was also given a crossbow that would fit on the arm where he had not a hand anymore, light and practical, and a dagger for extreme situations.
Then Galadriel spoke to him once again. "This Quest is meant to rid the world of the Enemy. It appears you have still a role to play and this time may no Oath or Doom be with you. Instead, may you bring with you Hope and Companionship."
Easier said than done. Maedhros just said: "Thank you."
And with that the Fellowship left, Maedhros in the boat with Merry and Pippin.
As they made the first stop, Merry and Pippin immediately went to ask him. "Sir Maedhros Elf, we clearly saw you laugh, what was so funny?"
And as Aragorn wearily translated the uestion, he pinched the bridge of his nose. "𝒜𝓇𝒶𝑔𝑜𝓇𝓃, 𝒾𝒻 𝒾𝓉 𝒾𝓈 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝓉𝑜𝑜 𝓂𝓊𝒸𝒽, 𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓁𝒹 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝓋𝑒𝓎 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓂𝑒𝓈𝓈𝒶𝑔𝑒?"
And once Aragorn had agreed, Maedhros explained how his father had also asked for a strand of Galadriel's hair, three times. And how funny and ironic was the whole ordeal.
He quickly added, to Gimli: "Worry not, Master Dwarf. I know you deserve them. There shall be no hatred here."
"No offence taken. I know you were a very upright lad."
"No one would refer to me as upright, but I appreciate your words."
And then the Hobbits got curious about the sword. "We thought Elves only used bows and arrows."
Once again Aragorn translated. Maedhros replied. "𝒯𝒽𝒾𝓈 𝓌𝒶𝓈 𝓂𝓎… 𝑀𝓎 𝒹𝑒𝒶𝓇 𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓈𝒾𝓃'𝓈 𝓈𝓌𝑜𝓇𝒹."
"Oh, you miss him."
"𝒴𝑜𝓊 𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓁𝒹 𝓈𝒶𝓎 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉. 𝒲𝑒… 𝒲𝑒 𝓌𝑒𝓇𝑒 𝒾𝓃𝓈𝑒𝓅𝒶𝓇𝒶𝒷𝓁𝑒."
The conversation was cut short as both Maedhros and Legolas turned towards the forest.
"ᴏʀᴄꜱ. ᴡᴇ'ᴅ ʙᴇᴛᴛᴇʀ ɢᴏ." Legolas said and Maedhros nodded.
And the Fellowship went back on the boats, trying to lose the Orcs for the time being.
The journey was still quite long and full of danger, but this time it felt slightly different, as if hope, the tiny fragment everyone had been holding on, had started shining brighter - yes, even brighter than a Silmaril, Maedhros surprised himself in thinking.
It would be fine.
This time no one would die, no one would fail.
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edennill-archived · 1 year ago
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🌫️ mithrim-noldo following
Yeah, Thingol kind of flew off the handle with banning Quenya and all that, but why on Arda are people now justifying the Kinslaying in response?? have some nuance and also, that's just plain horrible.
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hope it's fine to copy your tags, mithrim, because they're great:
#I mean I know this is probably because they've taken part in the kinslaying themselves #but #can't you just admit you did wrong and move on? #in so far as it is possible because of course forgetting would be disrespectful and unwise #because the consequences are with us still #but it should be way more comfortable than being on your defences all the time #always ready to rationalize or deny #with a conscience you cannot silence
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I am tired of typing this out again and again but Alqualondë could have been averted had the teleri been less self-centred and readier to cooperate. Thingol is just another example of this attitude. But of course, please deny that the third clan is what it is and pin the blame on the people who saved everyone's skins.
We have done nothing wrong and yet our own people are turning on us. One day you will rue this.
Long live the house of Fëanor!
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This is just the sort of behaviour OP was talking about.🤦‍♀️
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Admittedly, this seems to be a fanatical Fëanorian and more committed than the average apologist of his/her own actions - but yes.
#current events #thingol's quenya ban #my post
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finished another canto of the noldolante today
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you have a tumblr account??!
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do I know you?
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yes :)
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wait - yeah, I do...
which of the twins are you?
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how did you know😮???
👨🏻‍🦰red-haired-twin
he looked through your blog, nitwit :)
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find you two out of all possible people on here...
so - which is which?
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himring winters are horrible and I hate my parents for bringing me to middle-earth
#rant #children of exilse #i meant #children of exiles #coe
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Y'all weren't joking when y'all said the Sirion is impressive...
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#photography #nature photography #nature #sirion #falls of sirion
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is it still a secret city when everyone is talking about it?
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that's a good question
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It makes me sick to see all those positive nostalgic posts about the Mereth Aderthad. How pretty the pools of Ivrin were or weren't doesn't change the fact that THE NOLDOR WERE HIDING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE KINSLAYING THE WHOLE TIME. Yeah "everyone was kind" back then. You were feasting together with people whose cousins you had killed and have the audacity to complain they don't like you as much anymore. I don't care if you're a Sinda or a Noldo who "didn't take part in it" - if you say anything positive about it I'm blocking you.
#mereth aderthad #the truth about ivrin
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Things they don't want you to know about Fëanaro:
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with all due respect, gondolin is the most boring place in the world.
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it's not. but you're entitled to your opinion.
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if only all debates on here were as civil...
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OP is a kinslayer apologist. Didn't you check that out before you started praising them?
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*throws hands up*
I was admiring that one exchange.
(and this was actually more about @golden-flower's response than about OP)
*sighs*
#this site...
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silmarillaure · 7 months ago
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Finweans ranked by Aura
Feanor - So powerful he sucked the life force out of his mother, invented a ton of cool shit, had more children with his wife than any of the other Eldar, died in battle while his body combusted into flames because he was just that hot, & the King of the Valar who he hated cried over him.
Earendil - Cool as hell, has a wife who's cool as hell. Predestined to be a hero even though he comes from a basic vanilla bloodline (besides his great grandpa Fingolfin). Even though most of his ancestors were nobodies or flops, most of his descendants that came after him were cool as hell.
Maedhros - Might have been higher than his father & cousin if he didn't khs, Lowkey an Aura loss moment but he makes up for a lot with his gorgeous red hair, height, surviving Morgoth's torture, & sorta fulfilling his dad's dumb oath.
Fingolfin - The only good thing his bland vanilla mother did was give birth to him. He was a total badass I've got to admit even as a Feanorian stan. Him crossing the helcaraxë & his death were top Aura moments.
Elrond/Elros - They're twins so they can share a spot too. Both badass as hell.
Fingon - Called "the Valient", braids gold into his hair, saved his sexy redheaded cousin, & became King of the Noldor. Everything about him screams Aura.
Galadriel - Despite the fact she's a Feanor anti (Booooo!!!), she admittedly has a ton of Aura. She's smarter than possibly everyone else here given she survived when the rest of her generation either got themselves killed or spends all their time being a sad beach cryptid.
Gil-Galad - Cool as hell, managed to make an alliance Maedhros could only dream of.
Maglor - Has a couple Aura loss moments but in the end he LIVED which is an Aura gain. Also gets Aura points for having the best voice in Arda.
Celebrimbor - Pretty rad dude, love how he's more like Feanor than his father Curufinwe Jr is, unfortunately he died.
Finrod - His death is cool as fuck. Looses points for cockblocking his little brother & dying for that basic joe Beren though.
Caranthir - Goth Icon. Love how despite his raging anger issues he's also an awesome guy you'd want to be friends with.
Finwe - A massive flop in a ton of ways but definitely still has Aura. Looses Aura points for failing Feanor & choosing to marry an unsexy Vanya when he could've waited for his sexy talented silver haired Noldo wife to come back to life. Only good thing about him besides his awesome hair is that he's Feanor & Fingolfin's father.
Aredhel - Cool as hell but has terrible taste in men. Her whole white aesthetic & her wild personality gain her Aura points though.
Turgon - The only cool thing about him is that he built Gondolin which wins him some Aura points. Looses Aura points for getting played by his nephew & dying pathetically though.
Idril - She's cool I guess, the only thing of note that she did was give birth to the chad Earendil. Tuor is such a basic guy though, he's not the worst but she could do better.
Aegnor - Cool hair. Pulled a baddie. Fumbled the baddie.
Angrod - Not the most stand out Finwean but he seems to be a mama's boy & he didn't do anything wrong so I'll put him above the family flops.
Finduilas - She's a sweetie but she looses Aura points for falling out of love with a great guy like Gwindor & falling in love with Turin the walking L.
Celegorm - Stupid as hell for trying to use a powerful half-Angel as a political weapon against her father. Looses more Aura points for getting abandoned by his dog & dying at the hands of said half-Angel's 30 y/o mortal son while he's over 1000 y/o. Gains some Aura points for being able to talk to animals, his hair, & his hot bastard energy.
Curufin - Feanor with 99% less Aura. His only achievement is having Celebrimbor yet he still couldn't even succeed at being Feanor 2.0 and having 7 kids to continue the family line. Had the chance to kill Eol but didn't which led to his favorite cousin dying (that's a huge L).
Finarfin - Takes after his mother in the sense he's vanilla af. The tiny percent of Aura he has is from his Noldo side obviously and he used that to pull a baddie like Earwen. All his kids get their Aura from their mother's side.
Orodreth - I like the guy, but he's definitely a dumbass with no Aura. He inherited a kingdom but isn't particularly good at anything. His only accomplishment is possibly fathering Gil-Galad.
Maeglin - Orodreth might have no Aura but this guy has negative Aura. His childhood sucked but he's such a walking L that's he's somehow more of a loser than both Celegorm & Eol combined.
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queerofthedagger · 6 months ago
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One thing I think about a lot is that when Nargothrond falls, it is heavily implied that as good as everyone perished or, if not, got captured. Like, unlike with the Fall of Doriath, there is no mention at all of any refugees removing to the Mouth of Sirion - and yet, I assume that is very likely where Celebrimbor, at least, went? I definitely think he would have fought, but clearly he survived and neither Doriath nor Gondolin really were an option for him, and I doubt even more that he would have gone back to his family.
And there are a lot of implications to all that, but maybe the one that keeps me up most is that this means he would have likely been there when the refugees of Doriath arrived, when they told of what his family did. That his father is dead. What would he have been thinking? What would the survivors of Doriath been thinking? Like, I know there were technically several different camps to some extent, but I doubt they would have been wholly separate, especially upon arrival. What kind of horror to find someone who looks just like one of those guys who just slaughtered your friends and family. What kind of horror to look like someone who just committed such horrors.
He also would have been there when the third kinslaying occurred, or at least very close to it. What an experience, to end up on the other side of it. To see exactly what might have become of him had he not foresworn his father years ago, and also to see yet again what became of his family. Like yeah, everything before/during the Nargothrond Disaster would have already been formative for him and his future choices, but I do feel even being in the vicinity of all of that would have been such a dire reinforcement of all those convictions and reasons that made him disavow them in the first place. And especially in terms of the third kinslaying, it's also why I personally really doubt that there is a chance at any kind of reconciliation with any of the brothers, whether it's his father or I don't know, Maedhros or Maglor. Like, I just don't think there is any coming back fromt hat, really, if there ever was.
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batsyforyou · 7 months ago
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Random Pet Peeves: Feanorians Edition
Tags: Pet peeves (things that annoy people)
Pairings: None
Author's Note: I have Eonwe coming up as well as the pokémon one. Just thought to post this while I was at it.
Taglist: @asianbutnotjapanese
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Curufin 
Fidgeting. He hates it, between the noise it can bring and the constant movement it drives him insane and causes him to lose focus. Like when you're on your last nerve and someone keeps making McDonald straw music insane. Like just stop already! 
Maedhros
Jokes about his height and comments about his missing hand. The 'How's the weather up there?’ jokes and the constant questions about his hand from those less informed drives him crazy. I mean honestly, how many times can you hear the same thing before it gets old? Now imagine being an elf with centuries of experience with these things. 
Celegorm 
Open mouth chewing. Most of the time Celegorm doesn’t care about anything anyone does but when it comes to eating and everyone is at the dinner table it's gross and noisy and he is sometimes convinced that their saliva food spatter somehow got in his food. Which he will promptly make a scene for and refuse to eat. 
Even worse is when he is feeling overwhelmed and stressed and chewing noises begin to drive him nuts like, oh my word, I’ve been there.  
Caranthir 
Mud and dirt tracked all over the floor. Especially if Celegorm is the one who couldn’t be bothered to take his shoes off before coming inside. 
Maglor 
When someone touches his stuff. Most of the time he can handle it with grace and be completely chill with finding his harp being moved into a different room. Because while it is annoying it isn’t world ending. So he’ll just roll his eyes, sigh and politely remind the culprit *coughs* Celegorm *Cough cough* to not move his things around. 
But if you really want to get his goat do what parents (and some absent minded friends) do best. 
When he goes to show you a journal with his music notes and ideas, flip into the area he didn’t show you. Like when you show someone a photo and they start SCROLLING THROUGH EVERYTHING. 
That will get him raging mad lol. 
Amrod and Amras
They both hate it when they get called by the other's name. And I don’t mean like when a stranger, like a servant, just makes a mistake (they are very understanding about this) I mean when they’ve known this person for literal years and they still can’t tell them apart. 
They also can’t stand it when family members confuse their hobbies with the other twins. While it isn’t big it doesn’t really feel good and can really upset them on days they aren’t doing well mentally. 
Celebrimbor 
When someone refers to his family as the monsters under the bed and uses them as scary ghost stories. Yeah, his family did kinda do it to themselves but that doesn’t mean it isn’t annoying. Especially when they get the details wrong like, “No, Maedhros didn’t have dark hair. His hair was red and curly.” Like if you're gonna try and scare people using real life people at least get the basics right. 
It also sucks because people will also turn him into a story character as well. Coming up with different assumptions and making weird rumors about him eating worms or something. It can be really bothersome and isolating. 
Besides all that he still loves his family and remembers them more as people with troubled pasts rather than monsters that hide under beds.
His Uncles and Atar are way too big to hide under beds anyway. 
Feanor
When someone questions his work and decisions. Not just once out of curiosity but over and over again. It grates on his sanity. 
Nerdanel
When someone talks about her children and husband leaving and doing all those horrible things. Like honestly can’t they have some class and not shove it in her face? Or even when someone asks her how she didn’t see Feanor’s behavior change or why she didn’t try to stop him sooner or the classic, “What did you ever see in that elf?” 
She loves her family very much and hates when people act all snotty about things.
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earthshine-moon · 5 months ago
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Fëanorians on The Great British Bake Off
We got Bake Off back tonight (fuck yes! bring on autumn!) and this concept has been swirling around in my mind for the last few hours
This is the long version but here’s the short one if you don’t want to read this much
Caranthir: he doesn’t have a creative talent like most elves (aside from tax evasion) but damn can he BAKE. He can’t decorate by any sense of the imagination but it’s impossible for him to bake anything that isn’t absolutely perfect
He’d make it about halfway but he’d be sent home when Paul and Prue realised his presentation wasn’t improving at all.
Maedhros: literally the complete opposite. Can’t bake, but he’s so good at decorating he could make a pile of uncooked batter look incredible. And he does.
Like he can follow a recipe exactly. Down to the last word. But it never works. He says that “some force from the unseen world intervenes at the last moment and everything falls apart”. It doesn’t. He just can’t bake
Honestly probably wouldn’t even make it past the application stage but if (by some miracle) he did, he’d be out first week. Everyone watching at home would be shouting at the GBBO twitter (X) account for sending home the gorgeous redhead so early
Maglor: I stand by what I said in the short version: he wouldn’t even be in the tent. He’s in a field somewhere composing music and singing.
But if they managed to drag him into the tent, he’d be pretty average at everything. He’d scrape through by the skin of his teeth until about the semi-finals.
He’d be best friends with Noel from the start.
Amrod and Amras: again, I stand by my statement: they’d be making something entirely different to the brief but whatever it is, it’s delicious.
But I’d also like to add that they would either refuse to do anything separately or would have their own mini competition going on between them. No middle ground
I’d like to think they’d win it simply because they can bake and decorate really well, but realistically they’d get thrown out before the second challenge was over
Celegorm and Curufin: the tent’s on fire. No one knows how
The only thing I will add to this is that I’ve just realised that this implies the tent set itself alight the second C&C stepped foot inside it. And that is very amusing to me
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abomination-unto-nuggan · 8 days ago
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Itasanë, a Noldorin philosopher and the wife of Maglor.
In Valinor, many admired her for her insight and principles, but some were annoyed by her attempts to bring up philosophy whenever possible. She's autistic and, besides, simply believed it's important - of course she wanted to talk about it! She was known for her philosophical performances on the streets. Sometimes, they were things like shadow plays. Sometimes, they were plain unhinged...
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One day, Maglor, who was just passing by, saw her performance about philosophy of music and approached her after she was finished. They began to discuss the subject and she confessed her theory was inspired by his concert. Eventually, Maglor had to go, but asked her if she'd like to meet again to explore music and its meaning together. She agreed, excited.
Eventually, they married. Taking her role seriously, Itasanë began to study politics. She also decided to learn how to fight. Surprisingly to some, she became close with her father in law. Both were extremely passionate, and had a lot to talk about. She also used to regularly play strategic board games with Maedhros, finding it a fun intellectual exercise, so they became friends.
She was the sort of philosopher who believed philosophy must be lived, so when the Darkening came, she immediately wanted to fight Morgoth - her ethical principles told her it's her duty as a princess with military training. She also loved her husband and, though she didn't approve of the Oath, wanted to be with him. But soon, things went very wrong.
When the fight at Alqualondë started, Canwen - wife of Curufin and Itasanë's friend - asked her to take care of little Tyelpë, then ran to see what was going on. Canwen ended up fighting herself, to defend her husband and the rest of their family and the terrified nephew Itasanë promised to stay with was the only reason she didn't join Galadriel and Finrod when the whole thing turned into a slaughter.
The thing is, she could be a very hot-tempered person. She had very high standards and while she worked hard to be understanding of others and not lash out at them, Alqualondë was just too much. When all was said and done, she told Maglor she wants nothing to do with him and stayed with the host of Finrod, her friend. Knowing Maglor didn't plan to murder anyone and that he didn't feel good with what he did, she soon regretted and wished to make up with him. Then, she saw the fire...
Despite her presence on the other shore, Maglor did participate in the ship burning. While Fëanor wouldn't disown him if he refused like Maedhros, he was completely in the fear of abandonment mode after his wife functionally broke up with him. Her staying with Finrod, who not just fought against the Fëanorians but was also her beautiful philosopher friend, only made him more heartbroken - even though he knew they were not romantically interested in eachother at all. He still loved her and wouldn't want to endanger her... just didn't expect her to cross the Helcaraxë.
At Mithrim, they both met after Fingon brought Maedhros back and Maglor came to see him. They decided they'll try to make up and, even though their relationship was still strained, they fought at eachother's side in Dagor Aglareb. After risking their lives together, they realised how much they still care, and their love was rekindled.
They became political and military partners in the Gap. Itasanë was greatly skilled as a warrior, especially in horse archery, but died in Dagor Bragollach. She and Maglor decided to separate, trying to surround Glaurung, but this attempt to defeat him failed utterly and Itasanë died in flames. Maglor felt her agony and tried to get to her, but he didn't manage to come quickly enough. The memory of his wife burning to death would haunt him ever since.
After a long time, she got eventually reembodied. When Maglor was convinced by Elrond to come back to Valinor, he thought she will reject him after all he has done after her death. But this was not the case. They reunited and finally found peace again.
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polutrope · 11 months ago
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Just pure headcanons, what do you think happened during Maglor's reign as a king? I don't know if his reign was short or something but I remember it took some time before Fingon was able to save Maedhros and unite the noldor and there was still some division between the host of nolofinweans and feanorians. I wonder if he considered himself a placeholder until Maedhros returned or was he a reluctant king? Did the host respect him as a king, did his own brothers respect him as a king? I am so intrigued because, aside from Maedhros, I think Maglor deserved some shoutout lmao (No, this isn't a maglor-obsession-spree that I have been on, nu uh). Also, I feel like he would have some cordial relationship with Fingolfin, they could bond as the second sons having to take leadership because the eldest died/was abducted idk.
Oh no, starlitelwing. I hope you know the Pandora's Box you've just opened. King Maglor is one of my all-time favourite things to think about.
First of all: there's actually no canonical information on Maglor's position after the capture of Maedhros (in fact, we don't even know what Maedhros' title/position was after Feanor's death; all we know is that Feanor "claimed now the kingship of all the Noldor" in Tirion. Contested leadership is SO GOOD isn't it? anyway...).
The published Silmarillion glosses right over the question of who's in charge during the time between Feanor's death and Fingolfin's official assumption of the Kingship of the Noldor (which, if you ask me, Fingolfin effectively had been King since the time of Feanor's exile, and he was in any case Regent at the time of Finwe's death... he said he'd follow Feanor but the people following him were calling him Finwe Nolofinwe soooo... aiee, I digress again). The book gallops at such a breakneck speed that you don't really notice the gap in leadership. Or, I didn't.
But then you look at the Grey Annals (where Tolkien Gateway gets most of its First Age dates) and you see that there are 2-3 Tree Years and 5 Sun Years between Maedhros' capture and his rescue. Now, however you imagine time works in Tree Years when there are no Trees, that's still a long time. Maedhros was gone at a minimum 6-7 years, more likely closer to the equivalent of 30 "regular" years. (That's way longer, by the way, than the time between Feanor's death and Maedhros' capture, which was like, a day to a month, at most. Maedhros, if he even was King, was King for way less time than whoever followed him. And he sucked at the job, btw. But I digress. Again.)
So someone had to be in charge for those 6 to 30 years, but whomst? That the leadership would pass after Feanor's death to the eldest son is logical, and that it would then pass to the next eldest is also logical. I see no reason to refute that, but note: it would not be uncanonical to have someone other than Maedhros or Maglor in charge at this time. You can make King Celegorm a thing and still be canon-compliant!
This passage in the published Silm is basically the extent of the activities of the sons of Feanor during Maedhros' absence:
Then the brothers of Maedhros drew back, and fortified a great camp in Hithlum; but Morgoth held Maedhros as hostage, and sent word that he would not release him unless the Noldor would forsake their war, returning into the West, or else departing far from Beleriand into the South of the world. But the sons of Feanor knew that Morgoth would betray them, and would not release Maedhros, whatsoever they might do; and they were constrained also by their oath, and might not for any cause forsake the war against their Enemy.
The sense here is that all six sons acted as a unit. But in the 1937 Quenta Silmarillion, the text on which this passage is drawn:
Morgoth held [Maedhros] as hostage and sent word to Maglor that he would only release his brother if …
To Maglor! Excellent evidence that Tolkien was also making the logical conclusion that Maglor, the eldest, was in charge. (My best theory for why Christopher Tolkien took that out is Too Many Names, but it's an odd decision.)
All that was to say: We don't know, canonically, that Maglor was in charge at Mithrim. But it makes a lot of sense, and it's my headcanon that he was.
Now. More interesting headcanons.
I don't think Maglor was called King until it was politically necessary.
I see him as someone who is comfortable in command (one meaning of Cano is "commander", after all) but who likes to command collaboratively. Double-edged sword: he values the input of others (admirable quality) and he does not like being fully responsible for the outcomes of a decision (less admirable).
Unlike much fanon I've come across, I don't think Maglor was a particularly reluctant or incompetent leader or that he hated it. He was miserable, yes, because his father just died and his brother was just captured, and he wasn't thrilled to become a leader on top of that, but he keeps it together.
So how do I imagine it all went down?
The problem with Maglor being in command is that his "collaborative" style of leadership is not appropriate for a time of crisis or for his family. While the Silm often talks about "the sons of a Feanor" as a unit, I do not think they were of the same mind on everything. At all. They need a firm hand, and Maglor does not have that.
But who does have a firm hand? Who would be a more martial ruler, someone who could get people in order during a crisis? Celegorm. And he knows it.
So why did the Feanorians "get nothing done" during those 6-30 years (sidenote: I don't actually think they got nothing done, but it does seem they didn't get anything BIG done)? Well, for one, they were fighting amongst themselves.
Maglor could not get his brothers to agree on anything, and yet he did not know any other way of commanding, and over time he becomes more and more miserable as a leader.
Celegorm, meanwhile, is chomping at the bit to "relieve him" of the burden.
Around them, everyone else is picking sides.
Curufin is an interesting case. I headcanon he actually was fully behind Maglor at the beginning, because he respects the orderliness of succession. But as Maglor proves himself unsuitable for the role, he aligns with Celegorm.
Outside the family, I headcanon that the Mithrim Elves were actually quite taken with Maglor, the poet-king. Their alliance hinges on him. But the Noldor, especially the army, would rather follow Celegorm.
As everyone knows, a rival for leadership with the army's support is Bad News. And yet Maglor manages to hold on. He should definitely get credit for that.
But why hold on? If he is hating this ruler job, why not just let Celegorm have it? Couple reasons:
It's Celegorm. He may be able to perform well, but Maglor knows he's the most like Feanor in temperament and, well, Feanor's kingship didn't end well.
If Maglor gives up that crown, he will have admitted to himself that Maedhros is not coming back. This is the same reason he doesn't give it over to Fingolfin when Uncle Nolvo shows up. He is hanging onto that thing for dear life because, to him, it belongs to Maedhros and only Maedhros. He is the crown's custodian, never its rightful owner (this bleeds into my headcanon that Maglor does not "in his heart" agree with Maedhros' decision to cede the kingship — he'll never be as vocal about it as the others, though).
Now we come to another piece. What did Maglor call himself? Like I said up top, I don't think he initially called himself King. He was "head of his House", or maybe, "Lord of Hithlum," or maybe King Regent, but never King. If one of the Mithrim got mixed up and called him that, he would always correct them.
That changes when Fingolfin shows up. Now there's another claimant to the title of King. Possibly a more legitimate one than even Maedhros (as Maedhros later says himself).
By that time, Maglor has been keeping that crown out of Celegorm's hands for years; he is not giving it up now. And Fingolfin is less likely to challenge his leadership if he offers no room for ambiguity. If he dons the mantle of kingship and pretends Maedhros is dead.
So that is what he does... Does Fingolfin accept it? Well: "Then there was peril of strife between the hosts."
For three years, on opposite sides of the Lake, they're at an impasse. Fingon doesn't go looking for Maedhros because he thinks Maedhros is dead (and other reasons: the mission is insane and desperate not the least, and contrary to popular opinion Fingon is not a rash idiot).
How does Fingon eventually learn the truth? You'll have to wait and read what @melestasflight and I are cooking up for Silm Epistolary Week ;)
ETA: Despite this, I do think you're right that Maglor and Fingolfin could have bonded over their similar experiences! There's the personal and there's the political, and I love the idea of the tension between these straining what could be an emotionally supportive familial friendship between Maglor and Fingolfin.
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starsofarda · 2 months ago
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And I am following from here with part 2 lol
Also, I am standing with the first cousin thrice removed, this drama is something my family has in common and definitely I have first cousins thrice removed (and I envy a tiny bit functional families).
Anyway. Also, I know, but also I am having fun, so pls? forgive any incongruences.
Normal: Westron
Typed: Legolas and his sylvan dialect
Italic: Sindarin
Bold: Khuzdul
Bold in red: Ancient Khuzdul
Cursive: Quenya
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When Galadriel received a first message indicating that the Fellowship was at the borders of Lothlorien, she sighed with relief.
But when a second message arrived carrying news of what appeared to be a very tall Elf with red hair, she had to make sure that she heard loud and clear.
It couldn't be.
She exchanged a pregnant look with her husband Celeborn, who sighed in frustration and closed his eyes - they probably were considering whether helping with the secret errand was worth having a war criminal - and cousin thrice removed - walk through their realm.
Galadriel in particular was telling herself that DEFINITELY it was ANOTHER Elf with red hair.
And they decided to take the risk, if anything the entirety of the Elvish army would outnumber him, if things went downhill.
Maybe.
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The fellowship entered Lothlorien carefully, before being spotted by Haldir and the other guards - all of them young compared to the ancient Elf, he wondered if they knew well about what he did back then and if that changed things for the rest of the company. Maedhros looked really uncomfortable, if he remembered Galadriel well he was very sure he'd be killed on the spot.
Such thing did not happen, however.
Aragorn, who seemed to have taken the mantle of leader of their group, seemed to be negotiating some sort of passage on behalf of the Dwarf - something strange to him.
As far as he remembered Dwarves and Elves were getting along well enough.
He would have to ask - there was not a chance that the halflings would know, and Aragorn and Legolas were busy discussing with Haldir. He sighed softly.
"Uh... Gimli son of Gloin, right? Why are Elves not getting along with Dwarves?"
Yeah, he truly needed to brush up his Khuzdul. He was however pleasantly surprised when the Dwarf responded back in the same language.
"Tis right, lad. We hold a lot of grudges here. Also, why do you know Khuzdul, albeit ancient?"
"I see that it has not changed a lot. I used to be a really good friend with Dwarves. One of my brothers more than me, he was a smith."
"You both sound quite the sensible people, for being Elves. As for the ancient Khuzdul, we learn it, but it is not commonly spoken."
The two stayed in silence for a while, mulling over the conversation. The discussion with Haldir, on the other hand, was getting heated. Gimli grumbled, crossing his arms. "Wish I could understand what they are talking about."
Maedhros made a half smile. "It seems that the negotiations around passage means that you, Master Dwarf, shall pass blindfolded and tied. And I might follow, as the unwelcome guest that I am."
And that made Gimli nearly blow up the negotiations. Legolas looked at Aragorn in frustration, whilst Aragorn looked at everyone and was not impressed by the behaviours shown.
"Well then, everyone will proceed blindfolded and tied." Aragorn announced. Legolas was less than thrilled.
"I am their kin! I refuse to go blindfolded and tied through this ordeal!" Gimli scoffed. "Seems like I am the only one thinking that this is fair!"
An argument was about to start and at that point Maedhros went to Haldir. "I will go blindfolded and tied, if this is the condition. Elr- no, Aragorn clearly knows what he is doing and time is pressing."
The discussion kind of died down and no one really talked until they reached Caras Galadhon - and Maedhros had a moment of undefined emotions once the blindfold went down. Something like remorse and nostalgia and time passing by nonetheless.
But when the Fellowship was then in front of Galadriel, then it was the true trial. Maedhros only caught one word, full of contempt and hatred in his head, something that suggested that were it not for the laws of the land he would have been slaughtered.
"You."
And then Galadriel spoke in the unknown language that Maedhros had been hearing. He kind of tuned out the speech, until the attention shifted on him in full.
"And you. I thought you were dead." Galadriel was clearly holding back from stabbing him. Maedhros shrugged. "I thought so too. I got re-embodied in the mines, more or less when a Balrog came out."
If looks could kill, if only looks could kill.
"Pray that the Valar have made the right decision."
"I would like to say sorry."
The next thing Maedhros felt was probably the hardest punch to the face he'd experienced in a long while and the Fellowship around him all shouting and looking at him - maybe not Legolas, though. And Celeborn with a bloody fist and looking at him as if considering another punch.
Maedhros, seeing how the situation could look from an outsider's point of view, had to call Aragorn.
"Please, could you relay this to the others? I deserved it, probably I deserved more, but my cousin and her husband decided to be way more merciful than expected."
Aragorn was still reeling a bit from the shock, as far as he knew the lady and lord of Lothlorien were relatively peaceful. From behind, however, Galadriel's voice reached him. "You are not my cousin, I crossed you and your brothers out of the family tree after the first kinslaying."
"... Sorry about that too."
"If you are here it means that you have a role to play, therefore I am not going to interfere. But you and I are going to have a long conversation."
With that Celeborn and Galadriel left, leaving the company with attendants to guide them to their flets.
Maedhros felt the gaze of the entire Fellowship on him - that was bound to be an awkward, but much needed conversation. Anything, if it helped him prepare to respond to whatever Galadriel had to tell him.
Anything, if it meant that he could have his new companions trust him, even a little bit.
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sweetteaanddragons · 7 months ago
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Hi! Hope you don't mind a question about your Silmarillion/EPIC:tm crossover, but the idea won't leave me alone.
If you were writing a fic based on this premise, which characters would you have escape with Maedhros' party? Did you have a specific ensemble in mind? Or is there some other character from Greek Mythology who you'd like to see Maedhros meet during his travels?
Hope you have a good day!
Oooh!
The key in my mind was his rescue of Astyanax, but I was also picturing him managing to get Andromache out, and once I saw your post about Cassandra, she firmly joined the ensemble in my mind. Other than that, I'm afraid my knowledge of Troy isn't deep enough to be specific.
I don't think Maedhros and Co. would end up recreating Odysseus's journey in full (for one thing, they have no reason to try to get to Ithaca), but I have been picturing them stealing one of the Greeks' boats on the way out and then ending up dealing with the lotus eaters and the cyclopes. The lotus eaters because while Maedhros wouldn't recognize the fruit like Odysseus did, I think he would be wary of glowing fruit, especially if surrounded by people who were acting weird . . . but I also think he'd have to wrestle with temptation there in a way Odysseus didn't. It's a way out of his problems that would be really, really appealing to him, but I do think his sense of duty would win out; it canonically seems to have, at least until things were Definitively Over.
Polyphemus, on the other hand, I think Maedhros would handle way better. Anyone who can handle a continent crawling with dragons, Balrogs, and assorted monstrosities can handle a cyclops, and Maedhros is (a) not going to intentionally leave Polyphemus alive, and (b) if he has to retreat before killing him, he is definitely not going to shout out his name. Maedhros is probably not going to shout anything at Polyphemus because at this point he probably still does not even speak Greek.
(If somehow Poseidon still finds out and takes umbrage, though, Maedhros would at least have the advantage of being Very Used to sailing when you have displeased someone with power over the ocean, as well as the advantage of not having any destination in particular. At least this time he doesn't even feel guilty about what led to this!)
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marta-bee · 8 months ago
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@outofangband liked my zeroing in on Tolkien's comparing Erendis's beauty with Morwen's in the last post. I actually made a verbal slip and used the wrong name, so that post ended up seeming more focused on Morwen than I meant. But @outofangband's comment got me thinking more about Morwen's story, and that lens is turning out to be quite interesting. So let's dig in a bit more.
(Also: This, kiddos, is why you comment, on Tumblr and AO3 and everywhere else. It's the back and forth that really makes fandom worth the effort.)
It's been entirely too long since I've read the Quenta Silmarillion, and I've not read the Narn i Hîn Húrin at all, so doubtless there's people more familiar with their story than me. But briefly: Húrin was a lord in one of the Elf-friend Houses of Men. He was part of the Union of Maedhros (First Age political alliance between elves, men, and dwarves to resist Morgoth), fought in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad/Battle of Unnumbered Tears beside Fingon. Said battle earned its name, Fingon and countless others (including most of his household) is killed, and Húrin himself is captured and tortured for decades.
Morwen is his wife and the mother of Túrin and Nienor. She stayed behindi n Dor-lómin (Húrin's settlement), and after the Nirnaeth Easterlings allied with Morgoth sweep in and take over. They leave her alone, at least at first, thinking her some kind of a witch. If memory serves it was connected to her beauty, which they thought was preternatural and suspected her of having dealings with elves that made her dangerous. Túrin she sends off to Doriath so Thingol can raise him in safety; Nienor stays with her in Dor-lómin until Nienor is grown and the two women go searching for Túrin at last.
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It's such a different situation in so many ways to Erendis's, so it's a bit fascinating how similar their lives are here.
After their marriage, Aldarion and Erendis lived together in Armenelos, and had a daughter. They planted the elven-tree in their garden, and the song-birds settled there. "
This got long, I'm afraid, but is a good read in its entirety. "In heart Erendis was glad [to have a daughter rather than a son], for she thought: "Surely now Aldarion will desire a son, to be his heir; and he will abide with me long yet." For in secret she still feared the Sea and its power upon his heart; and though she strove to hide it, and would talk with him of his old ventures and of his hopes and designs, she watched jealously if he went to his house-ship or was much with the Venturers."
It doesn't take a genius to understand how these stories work, and it shouldn't be surprising it didn't work out that way.
Erendis learned of these things, though Aldarion had not spoken to her of them, and she was unquiet. Therefore one day she said to him: "What is all this busyness with ships. Lord of the havens? Have we not enough? How many fair trees have been cut short of their lives in this year?" She spoke lightly, and smiled as she spoke. "A man must have work to do upon land," he answered, "even though he have a fair wife. Trees spring and trees fall. I plant more than are felled." He spoke also in a light tone, but he did not look her in the face; and they did not speak again of these matters. But when Ancalímë was close to four years old Aldarion at last declared openly to Erendis his desire to sail again from Númenor. She sat silent, for he said nothing that she did not already know; and words were in vain. He tarried until the birthday of Ancalimë, and made much of her that day. She laughed and was merry, though others in that house were not so; and as she went to her bed she said to her father: "Where will you take me this summer, tatanya? I would like to see the white house in the sheep-land that mamil tells of." Aldarion did not answer; and the next day he left the house, and was gone for some days. When all was ready he returned, and bade Erendis farewell. Then against her will tears were in her eyes. They grieved him, and yet irked him, for his mind was resolved, and he hardened her heart. "Come, Erondis!" he said. "Eight years I have stayed. You cannot bind for ever in soft bonds the son of the King, of the blood of Tuor and Eärendil! And I am not going to my death. I shall soon return." "Soon?" she said. "But the years are unrelenting, and you will not bring them back with you. And mine are briefer than yours. My youth runs away; and where are my children, and where is your heir? Too long and often of late is my bed cold." "Often of late I have thought that you preferred it so," said Aldarion. "But let us not be wroth, even if we are not of like mind. Look in your mirror, Erendis. You are beautiful, and no shadow of age is there yet. You have time to spare to my deep need. Two years! Two years is all that I ask!" But Erendis answered: "Say rather: 'Two years I shall take, whether you will or no.' Take two years, then! But no more. A King's son of the blood of Eärendil should also be a man of his word." Next morning Aldarion hastened away. He lifted up Ancalimë and kissed her, but though she clung to him he set her down quickly and rode off. Soon after the great ship set sail from Rómenna. Hirilondë he named it, Haven-finder; but it went from Númenor without the blessing of Tar-Meneldur; and Erendis was not at the harbour to set the green Bough of Return, nor did she send. Aldarion's face was dark and troubled as he stood at the prow of Hirilondë, where the wife of his captain had set a great branch of oiolairë, but he did not look back until the Meneltarma was far off in the twilight.
So: two women, left behind by their husbands to raise young daughters. Húrin's departure makes sense -- he's going off to fight Morgoth, to make Dor-lómin safe. Aldarion's seems much more voluntary and optional if not downright selfish. I'm trying to remember the almost physical compulsion he had before he married Erendis, to go adventuring again. I'm trying to be sympathetic. But it's not Erendis trying to "bind for ever in soft bonds." It's what Tar-Meneldur warned him about when he first became engaged to Erendis: that a man cannot have two wives. If these are soft bonds, it's just what Aldarion chose for himself.
But for the first time, Erendis doesn't exactly seem blameless.
All that day Erendis sat in her chamber alone, grieving; but deeper in her heart she felt a new pain of cold anger, and her love of Aldarion was wounded to the quick. She hated the Sea; and now even trees, that once she had loved, she desired to look upon no more, for they recalled to her the masts of great ships. Therefore ere long she left Armenelos, and went to Emerië in the midst of the Isle, where ever, far and near, the bleating of sheep was borne upon the wind. "Sweeter it is to my ears than the mewing of gulls," she said, as she stood at the doors of her white house, the gift of the King; and that was upon a downside, facing west, with great lawns all about that merged without wall or hedge into the pastures. Thither she took Ancalimë, and they were all the company that either had. For Erendis would have only servants in her household, and they were all women; and she sought ever to mould her daughter to her own mind, and to feed her upon her own bitterness against men. Ancalimë seldom indeed saw any man, for Erendis kept no state, and her few arm-servants and shepherds had a homestead at a distance. Other men did not come there, save rarely some messenger from the King; and he would ride away soon, for to men there seemed a chill in the house that put them to flight, and while there they felt constrained to speak nail in whisper. One morning soon after Erendis came to Emerië she awoke to the song of birds, and there on the sill of her window were the Elven-birds that long had dwelt in her garden in Armenelos, but which she had left behind forgotten. "Sweet fools, fly away!" she said. "This is no place for joy such as yours."
Erendis locks herself and Ancalimë away. When the two years passed, she shut down the house in Armenelos and isolated herself in the house "ordered the house in Armenelos be shut, and she went never more than a few hours' journey from her house in Emerië. "Such love as she had was all given to her daughter, and she clung to her, and would not have Ancalimë leave her side, not even to visit Núneth and her kin in the Westlands. [...] But the women were chary in their speech to the child, fearing their mistress; and there was little enough of laughter for Ancalimë in the white house of Emerië."
This... is not healthy. This is concerning, actually, and from the outside it seems avoidable. It's not, quite, because she's been abandoned by her husband, twice now in a way. And from Erendis's perspective there was nothing compelling Aldarion to leave. If anything, he turned it around on her and blamed her for trying to imprison him on land.
Compare them to Morwen and Nienor, whose husband and father did have a good reason to leave. I'm not entirely clear why they stayed in Dor-lómin rather than going to Doriath with Túrin, except that the story needed them to be separate. Maybe they thought Húrin would escape and come back to them there? Maybe it just seemed safer than traveling somewhere else, since the Easterlings left them alone? But her isolation comes from being surrounded by enemies, and she doesn't seem to isolate Nienor more than their security requires, at least not that I remember. Whereas Erendis bars all men from the main house, makes Ancalimë's whole life surround her in a smothering sort of "love," keeps Ancalimë separate even from her grandparents.
I keep thinking about the Hobbit narrator's line, that  "things that are good to have and days that are good to spend are soon told about, and not much to listen to; while things that are uncomfortable, palpitating, and even gruesome, may make a good tale, and take a deal of telling anyway." This is a story, and stories require things to happen. Morgoth provides a convenient villain, whatever else he is, that drives Húrin and Morwen apart. But Númenor in these early days is a land of peace, this is the golden age, things are supposed to be happy, which is precisely what they can't be if there's to be a story worth telling. It almost seems the nature of Men that if there's not a conflict near at hand they'll invent one; or that something deep inside them, their striving nature will compel them to do just that.
Psychologically, I don't want to blame Erendis because I like her so much. She's become a kind of Blorbo for me. And I do think she's got a right to feel betrayed and abandoned, even as she's materially well taken care of. However unhealthy her actions are here, and however much she's hurting Ancalimë, it's clearly coming from some deep pain. But Morwen's isolation is so easy to understand, compared to Erendis's! It's rational in its way, whereas this just seems unnecessary. That's probably what makes the story so interesting, even if I do want to shake her a bit by the shoulders, and send Ancalimë off to Núneth's house for her own protection.
What can I say? God save us for ourselves when there's no baddie near at hand. It's all so depressingly human.
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