#also antis - YOUR SHIP DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND HERE'S WHY!
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Must Anti-BkDks feel the need to reblog posts just to be annoying?
"Then if your way of thinking works for BkDk then it works for this ship, too!" (You already know the ship.)
You seriously spent minutes looking up information on blushing just to reblog a post you could have easily ignore?
If you don't ship BkDk, okay? And?
At this point, I feel like antis deliberately are going into the ship tag just to find posts to reblog and act an ass on because by now, they should know that they can...
Filter and block tags
Block and not follow people who ship BkDk
Not go into the ship tag at all
"Not interested" that post if it does pop up on your dash
Scroll past posts
Write their own posts about their ships they like
It is not that hard, I do it all the time for ships I don't want to see.
But nooo!! Let's reblog these BkDk posts and try to be "correct about a ship".
It's ridiculous!
"I don't mean to be condescending." Yes, you did. If you didn't mean to, you wouldn't have reblog the post.
What were you trying to accomplish? Spread your ship agenda? That's not how you do it.
You don't reblog a post of a ship you don't like and write paragraphs and paragraphs of trying to disprove that ship.
Antis and other people be wondering why their ship isn't as popular or isn't as liked, but then be the same people who does bullshit to BkDk shippers.
You make people not want to ship your fucking ship. You make people not want to interact with you. Your behavior is intolerable and lame.
If I wanted someone to also like the same ship as me, reblogging posts on ships I hate just to be like "well actually 🤓" is not the way to do it. In fact, I actually don't care to really convince someone. I just write my fics and posts and if people read and like them and consider the ship I like I'm fine with that!
At the end of the day though, it is not important to me as to what ships they like. I want to have a fun time shipping and I wouldn't want someone to take that away from me, so I don't that to other people.
#yeah i saw that bullshit#look if you don't like the ship alright who cares?#i do like other ships but i don't interact with the shippers of that ship because i don't want to attract those kind of people#in the meantime y'all should definitely consider burnbunny 😉 /j#antis - we want to call a truce#also antis - YOUR SHIP DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND HERE'S WHY!#no go away BEGONE HEATHEN!!#just kiya's thoughts#bnha#mha#boku no hero academia#my hero academia#bakudeku#bkdk
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I still don't see how people can legitimately argue TOH was subverting romantic expectations when it doesn't... actually do that.
In order for this kind of subversion to work, you need to address why Luz and Hunter getting together is detrimental to them. But at no point do the writers actually show us WHY Hunter and Luz aren't a good fit for each other. You'd expect them to be very careful in how they go about writing Luz's and Hunter's relationship - like making sure Willow is the most important character to Hunter's arc.
But they don't actually do that - instead of having Willow act as the catalyst for Hunter's arc it's Luz. She is there for all of Hunter's important moments... which is not what you would do if your goal was to actually subvert romantic expectations. Another thing you don't do is make Luz and Hunter parallels to past lovers who are deeply tied to the story's villain.
People tend to use Witches Before Wizards as evidence of a subversion of romantic expectations... but that was used to foreshadow Belos' true nature and Hunters' relationship to him [Sense and Insensitivity does this as well... like they rlly wanted to make it clear Belos' and Hunter's relationship was something integral to the story]. I also need to point out WBW comes right after the first episode - which has a talking point about how you shouldn't punished for something as innocuous as shipping. So to have the first episode be proceeded by an episode that establishes Luz's relationship to a prince as something VERY IMPORTANT because of how it relates to the story's villain is... hmm... suspicious to say the least. I don't think this is something they'd do if their goal was to create an argument against Luz and Hunter getting together.
Even if you wanted to make a case by using Eclipse Lake as evidence for Hunter and Luz being bad for each other - it still doesn't work. Yes, Hunter, in Eclipse Lake is technically making a choice between Luz and Belos like he did in Hunting Palismen. But here's the thing: this choice isn't used BY THE WRITERS to argue why Hunter and Luz would be bad for each other. If it was intended to be used against Luz/Hunter then Luz's perception of Hunter would have changed and his choice would be used as a point of contention between them. This would have been a perfect way to insert Willow into Hollow Mind instead of Luz.... but they don't do that.
They don't do that because Hunter's and Luz's relationship was never intended to be painted in a negative light.
In fact, Hollow Mind goes so far as to parallel them with Caleb and Evelyn. And I'm not talking about making Evelyn's appearance more like Luz than Willow. I'm talking abut stuff like this:
Must I rlly point out why this is so crazy... just look at the bottom left corner...
here's a more HD version of the painting:
There's also the parallel of Caleb/Hunter being "lured away" from Philip by a witch from another world... with the bonus points of Evelyn/Luz expecting the arrival of a new family member. Which is unbelievably haunting to me btw LMAO.
Thanks to Them takes it even further by telling the story of Caleb and Evelyn.... while Luz is dressed as a witch and Hunter is cosplaying as a human... and they made sure Luz was sitting right next to Hunter when the story was being told... I'm not making this shit up - that's literally what happened. Once again, this was another moment that could have been given to Willow instead of Luz.... but it's not.
[A/N: Seeing Luz sit next to Hunter with her gf right before the writers release the Caleb/Evelyn bombshell on them is so fucking funny. This entire episode is a joy to sit through because it reads like an episode written by someone who doesn't like Lumity and Huntlow. I don't know how they could have written the most anti-Lumity and anti-Huntlow episode in the show accidentally, but they did. 10/10 episode tbh.]
Then there is Luz's association with wolves highlighted by Hunter's newfound love of wolves... then there is Flapjack only letting Luz use him during their fight with Belos... then there is Flapjack flying to Luz instead of Willow when he's on his deathbed... FINALLY, there is Hunter coming back to life looking like Caleb and pleading with Luz - who is still dressed as a witch - to help him fight his grand-uncle-brother.
I also want to note Willow's costume in TTT takes design cues from Evelyn's stereotypes. I don't think this was intentional, because if it was then that would have been used to foreshadow Hunter NOT ending up with Willow. But it is very funny to me and I like to think that it was a sneaky move done by a Huntlow hater in the crew... I know I would do something like this if I was forced to make Hunter and Willow a thing LOL.
So yeah, you'd think they'd give all this stuff to Willow instead of Luz, since they intended to culminate Hunter's arc with him holding pinkies with Willow instead of helping Luz fight Belos.
At this point you're probably thinking... hmm... if the writers always intended to make Luzs and Hunters relationship detrimental to their stories, then they're not doing a very good job at it. And you'd be right... because they never intended to write an argument against it in the first place.
Even though they wanted Hunter to be paired off with Willow, they never bothered to make sure she's there for all of his important moments. Instead, Hunter's important moments are given to Luz - the only character in this show who has a thing for angsty warrior princes with tragic yet compelling backstories.
And I havent the faintest fucking idea why they though this was a good idea... but I sure do know it wasn't because they wanted to create a compelling argument against Luz/Hunter.
#lunter#i mean i guess if you were to apply outside logic you can come up with something against Luz and Hunter#but there is no argument made BY THE WRITERS for why Luz and Hunter would be bad for each other#this show actually makes ship fodder for them... like it does with other pairings... because TOH is a fanfic...
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i swear there is something about landoscar that makes me insane like i got into this fandom and have liked a lot of ships like maxiel, carlando, lestappen etc but there is just something different about landoscar??? idk if it's the dynamic between the two?? or if it's oscar's personality that makes their interactions feel genuine but i would love your analysis or thoughts on this cause WHYYYYYYY have these boys taken over my brain like so??? i swear other ships are literally out here hugging like mad and saying sexual innuendos to each other etc etc and im unfazed but i see oscar and lando have the slightest touch or glance at each other and im feral foaming at the mouth lmfaooooo !!!
omggg anon i answered an ask here about why 814's personalities appeal to Me Personally but maybe i shouldn't get too into that... 😔
anyway idk whether this makes any sense but perso with some rpf ships i find that the myth somewhat outweighs the canon or vice versa — i.e. the "potential narrative" of a ship is really compelling but it doesn't quite exist as it's written in canon, or a ship doesn't have that many compelling extra narratives other than the existing relationship that's strongly visible in canon. and i think these are all great and fun to ship, but i guess as EYE see it it sort of feels like 814 balance those aspects fairly well? like they have a dece amount of sweet and interesting interactions with each other, but obviously they're not best friends and there's enough of this like, sense of repression + the fact of their personalities being not fully diametric but still different enough that it feels like you can take them in a lot of directions. i really like that landoscar aren't quite foils but also aren't "twins" either as some people say, and oscar despite being so lauded as mature is still inspired by lando in many ways and shares the same sarcastic humor as him and enjoys his presence a lot. they work because they aren't opposites but there are enough crucial aspects that separate them so you can make a lot of tropes and aus fit them. which isn't to say you can't do the same with the other ships you mentioned but... idk i'm also just biased because i'm an oscarybroTM so i don't really think about 90% of the grid so i'm fundamentally less invested HLKSDFHLH
also i've mentioned this b4 but my favorite hockey ship (2124) is literally the hockey version of oscar (dorky californian sportsnerd who brings his gaming setup on road trips to play fifa) x his dry finnish linemate whom he doesn't even interact with off the ice but ON the ice they have the most electric wordless chemistry and are constantly aware of where the other is and play beautifully together and get super awkward when reporters try to talk to them about it. so like to me unspoken collaboration IS a beautiful and worthy thing to rpf about.... *__* so clearly i enjoy teammate repression and awkwardness in my ships already but then 814 are kind of even more insane because they're less myth than 2124 so there's SO much to chew on. at least for moi 🥰 icl i'm a little bit anti-pda so constructing intricate rituals to look longingly at other men and laugh at their bad jokes is more compelling to me than straight up skinship/bgp... i was just telling @inchidentally whose analysis i feel like might be up your alley that i don't rly get why people act like oscar's "heart eyes" toward lando are "pr" (???) because from everyth we've been told and see about him it's so clear that he's always been just himself and the level of... unguarded emotion he displays around lando isn't something you can just make up imo. even if it's just little things and they go off and do completely different things off-track (which again i kind of enjoy. like romanze can be guy who goes off to party with models the day after a race x guy who's in bed gearing up his 10th joke about getting his wisdom teeth removed) it makes them rly fun to watch ;__;
#(tl;dr they're for the awkward autistic lesbians 😔)#ask#sorry for the nonsensical morning reply... can u believe i have to work even though [sad health sounds] :(#814 meta
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ELs/GAs: "why do you ship Elain with azriel but not Tamlin when Azriel is a torturer he's also an abuser"
That has got to be the stupidest take coming out of this Elain week shit. At this point I think they're just purposefully choosing to act dumb, because I refuse to believe anybody can be this idiotic.
First of all, Azriel torturing people and interrogating people for his job is NOT equivalent to Tamlin abusing Feyre. That is a crazy statement to even try to make. Azriel has a job - which he DOESN'T EVEN LIKE, HAD TO TAKE BECAUSE OF RHYS's Father - and he reluctantly does it. He's not out here committing crimes for the sake of committing crimes.
Hurting those who are evil and pose a threat to the safety of others does not equal abuse.
Abuse is hurting someone innocent for the sake of your own empowerment and toxicity.
That is so insane. That's like if I said "well Rhys dissolved an army to mist" and "Cassian killed thousand in Hybern's war" and "Lucien killed some soldiers in AOCWAR to cross the battlefield" therefore they are all abusers now.
Does that fucking make sense???
Is Nesta an abuser now, for killing the Kelpie and Lanthys? Is Elain an abuser for stabbing the king of Hybern.
Get. Fucking. Real.
If you don't know the difference between violence for the sake of the greater good and in war and ABUSE, then you shouldn't be reading these books. Go back to magic treehouse or some shit, because ACOTAR is for adults and you're behaving like children.
You hate one character (for doing nothing wrong other than NOT throwing herself headfirst into battle and being uninterested in YOUR favorite character) and you use that to behave like illiterate clowns.
Because only a clown would:
1. Liken a character like Azriel to an ABUSER
2. Then turn around and ship that "ABUSER" with Gwyn, a survivor of SA and witness to seeing her own sisters head cut off.
What the fuck are you doing? Genuinely is this the lengths you'd go to just to say you don't like Elain/Elriel?
You know he's not an abuser. So why are you saying all this nonsense?? And it's literally just anti-Elriels. I have not seen any Elriel go around making such awful claims of Lucien & Gwyn.
These are the good guys! SJM is not going to make ANY of them evil or "abusers". What do you think she would say if you asked her right now "wow so azriel is clearly an abuser right? Just like Tamlin?" Do you think she would pat you on the back and agree with you? Or would she look at you like you're fucking insane ?
It's absolutely batshit crazy how you have to go to such lengths to CLAIM THAT IS CANON (it's literally not) just to try to disprove a ship.
Stop acting like children. ENOUGH. Just go take your ship and enjoy it in your corner of the ship war, you don't have to go around making such vile attacks on Elriel and those who ship it just to make yourself feel better about your ship.
#elriel#acotar#elain x azriel#elain archeron#azriel#pro elain#elain#antielucien#antigwynriel#pro elriel
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why i dislike stolas more than catra (& angel dust for one part)
inspired by this video (watching it will help everything make more sense)
so, i'm a massive catra fan, and as any of us would know, our fav gets trashed on a lot. often these points are valid, even if i disagree, but usually i find i can argue them. therefore, i get how much it hurts when yours is under that same spotlight. that's why i'll try to say this respectfully, and don't hold anything against stolas stans who still love his character.
while watching, i impulsively made notes comparing stolas to catra in terms of how they treat their partners and how well their character arcs grow. keep in mind, this is entirely my very biased personal opinion (especially considering i think galxe (the op on yt) is/would be a catra anti, and it may be hypocritical but i'm wokay with owning that. here's what i noticed, just to get my thoughts out somewhere:
stolas apologizes repeatedly for his mistakes, but never improves his behavior; catra apologizes and although she relapses back into her old ways occasionally throughout s5, she does try her best to be better and works on being a better person over time, which does happen
stolas complains ungratefully when moxxie & millie save his life at loo-loo land that it wasn't blitzo and nothing comes out of it; catra lashes out yelling at adora for saving her from prime's control on the ship (granted, she did order her not to come for her own safety), but she corrects that mindset later in the episode and begs adora to stay out of forgiveness (also, if you choose to count the showrunner's official "don't go" work as canon*, it's much more explicitly stated that catra regrets her actions and will make up for them)
stolas is neglectful of octavia and puts his selfish needs over her own deserved time from home with him despite the event in question being his idea; catra pushes away scorpia, but at least is shown to put effort towards working with and protecting her (such as lying about the missing/"broken" recorded tapes) ─ this does not mention entrapta, because while the same can be said about her (namely keeping her away from hordak's lab before she befriended him), it can't be overlooked that catra wrongfully sent her to beast island in a panic
stolas views his relationship as transactional, and anything nice he does for blitzo, as simple as loaning an important book, should be returned as a sexual favor; catra's expectations were reasonable considering she was under the impression that a promise had been made to her and was consequently broken ─ also, on another note, catra expectantly sacrificed her life, or at least free will, to save glimmer and believed she would get nothing out of it, not even ever seeing adora again
stolas's only personality trait is sexually harassing blitzo and he doesn't even have any motivation behind it, not even an explanation over an excuse, except maybe pleasure; angel dust does this within the first four episodes of hazbin hotel out of trauma and projection, but stops after "masquerade"
a little less serious, but stolas is always infantilizing and talks in that cringe babying tone; best match i can think of for catra is that time in the northern reach when she taunts "looks like you're mine now, adora" but at least her drawl is more seductive than infantilizing
even if catra can be considered abusive, it's clear that there's a whole story and a lot of emotional baggage behind why regarding feelings of betrayal & revenge (which adds to the motivation point above); if stolas is abusive, then it's entirely a power trip and there's nothing deeper into it; he's just, as blitzo puts it, a rich pompous asshole who sees lower-class citizens of hell as playthings for his entertainment (i mean, hell, that's literally how their friendship even started as kids through "buying" a circus actor, whereas catra & adora's was bonding over having each other throughout a hard life and seeing each other as equals when shadow weaver didn't)
there's probably plenty more i could add that i'm just not thinking of currently. it can be fairly said that both stolas and catra are quite... possessive, and talk(ed) down to blitzo/adora all the time. this is a negative trait that they share. also, antis of both have made the argument that if these were M/F relationships, people in general would absolutely see a lot more wrong with them.
as long as you can be respectful and avoid coming across as condescending, i'm open to learning other opinions from you!
*i have seen nate's artwork be criticized as if it's true to the show, so i suppose that writing was a fair proposal too
#hellaverse#hh#hazbin hotel#angel dust#hb#helluva boss#hb critical#helluva boss critical#anti hb#anti helluva boss#stolas critical#anti stolas#spop#she ra#she-ra#she-ra and the princesses of power#catra#anti stolitz#stolitz critical#catradora
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Shooting for the Michelin stars comes with a price
I keep thinking about the debt.
Walk with me here: In writing when you give your heroes what they want, you make them pay a price, it's not just a plot twist it's a literal "rain on your parade" moment that comes after the honeymoon period, which is usually fairly short in dramedies and it's a full-on breaking point. Meaning: Status quo does not stand a chance. Something's gotta give and usually that happens in the form of a crisis. The usual suspects include (but are not limited to) death, a fire, a trial, and a departure of some sort that doesn't include death but represents the end of an era anyway.
So, outta those possibilities, which are the most common and the ones I think will be brainstormed in The Bear's writers' room, I wish they went for the first one → death.
And here's where I get cutthroat, sorry, some characters make more sense dead. Their deaths mean progress, they are the omen, their wakes are the rites of passage, they help the plot move forward in a way no other plot device would and if handled correctly, they can even serve the ulterior motive of a happy ending (totally Austenian, I know).
Before I get into that full-on, I should clarify that all my musings have only one goal: determine the Sydcarmy friendliness level of a character, scene, storyline, etc. I couldn't care less about what's gonna happen on the show as a whole, I just care about how what may or may not happen on the show is compatible with my Sydcarmy endgame purpose and to what extent exactly? Full stop. The rest of the predictions are fun, sure, but don't really spike my curiosity or interest that much, I can totally live without them. Whilst I have dived into them and nailed some, obviously, it's like watching grass grow for me, IDGAF. The only predictions I truly care about are the Sydcarmy ones, mine and others´, because we have an awesome fandom that really pays attention to detail and treats the matter with the importance it has. It's not just a ship like any other, shipping Sydcarmy became a mission because it's us against the world pretty much, even though we have grown in numbers since The Bear slayed during the past award season, we still need to deal with a lot of 💩💩💩 from the anties and the neutrals and of course, the racists, and the gaslighting cast and crew, so it's literally us against all odds. Hence, I may not agree with everything I read around here all the time, of course, but we are brothers in arms, guys. #RESPECT.
That being said I think Cicero (aka The Godfather) is better off dead so The Bear's debt dies with him. Because, and here's the whole argument I took my sweet time to make, thanks for sticking around:
Source: Chef's pencil.com (2024)
In the graphic above we can see the ever-rising prices the customers have to pay to dine there, those are only the current ones, that graphic will be outdated by fall of this year when menus rotate. Naturally, those numbers are directly proportional to the ever-rising production costs. Besides, let's not forget that when a restaurant is granted a star, to maintain it, it needs to innovate. They can't keep it by doing the same thing they were doing when they were rewarded that star to begin with. If the "inspectors" don't perceive there's enough innovation in the menu the next year, they can remove the star/s that was/were previously granted, that's why retaining stars is a lot harder than getting them. So that equals higher costs, in other words: more money and sometimes, less revenue.
Michelin-star restaurants' costs are always on the rise, always, no matter what. That is why they are usually acquired by "Groups" or corporations that can endure the financial blow of keeping the restaurant operational and still maintain a somewhat solid profit margin. Also, their business model tends to branch out to books, private events or collaborations, etc to get different streams of income, other than the actual dining experience provided to their customers on-site. Usually, all of that has a cost structure that requires the backup of a corporation, and there are investment groups that specialize in providing that kind of support to the restaurants, kind of what Cicero does but at a much larger scale, and legit.
So: when The Bear gets its star (notice I say when and not if) our heroes will get what they want and shortly after will be "payback time", sorry I didn't make the rules. More details that back my assumption about the star can be found here.
What I want and wish to happen is that the "payback" is a crisis along the lines of: "OK, we got the bullshit star but we are still not making ends meet and if we wanna keep it, then that means we are nowhere near paying off the debt we have with The Godfather and thus he will take it all, that was the deal, we are gonna be left with nothing, all of this for nothing -I'm sorry, Syd, but hey! We still have each other, right?-". See the dramedy?
And that leads me to think that if Storer kills Cicero off we will all be happy, The Bear will keep its star (debt free) and will continue operations and Sydcarmy can flourish after that crisis, which most likely strained the relationship but they will be able to make it up.
Unrelated (?) Plus The Godfather, in the movie, really dies and gives the inheritance to his son (Al Pacino). You can watch that death here and I hope I'm not the only one who can see poetry in his death, surrounded by tomatoes on a beautiful sunny day... Awww.
I have plenty of reasons to call Cicero the Godfather but I won't dive into those yet. Raincheck? After watching season 3 I will give Cicero a run for his money if Storer doesn't ax him first as a cliffhanger, that is (which I think would be all kinds of awesome but I won't hold my breath for that one). He's shady, he does "Risky business", I can tell.
Summing up: At the end of S3 we should have a star or James Beard award which is the prequel to a Michelin Star and that will take us straight to payback and the need to tie that loose end either as a cliffhanger in S3 or in S4, which I think will be more like a series finale because I never saw The Bear as a 5 season arc, I always thought that 4 were enough and I was right about the renewal, so even though I hope I'm wrong in thinking there will be no S5, I don't think I am because the story can totally get a great closure in 4 seasons. So, by then, Cicero should be gone and we should be starting to see that in S3.
He should be the price they will all have to pay to get what they want. 🤞
I haven't forgotten about my ulterior agenda:
Level of Sydcarmy friendliness of Cicero's death → 💯
It will secure the restaurant, liberating them from the debt and bringing them closer together because Syd's shoulder can be the shoulder Carmy cries on when the only father figure he has left, after Mikey's death, is gone = 😍.
Remember to follow my tag #Gingerpovs 💋
#sydcarmy#the bear#carmy x sydney#the bear fx#carmy berzatto#the bear hulu#sydney adamu#syd x carmen#carmen berzatto#cicero#gingerpovs#the bear meta
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hii! as for your last text... I'm a new Larrie (for over a year) so I wasn't there when it all happen, but what I can understand why people say that.
First of all I want to say that, although I do believe that Larry is or has been real at some point, there are always many things that make me doubt about it, I can't help but my mind look for all possible explanations for what happens...
So I agree with what you said about why ziam didn't distance themselves and larry did, but this is the non-larry explanation that I have in my head: L and H when the ship started they followed the jokes, they themselves promoted it... (if I'm not wrong), so it's obvious that it didn't bother them, but then it starts to get bigger, and L starts dating Eleanor and H has his little relationships (dont know how to call them in english lol), let's say they were all real, and there are people who start to deny those relationships are true, and that, not only you, but also the people closest to you are all lying for you... So, the larry ship by itself may not have bothered them, but a lot of people overanalyzing every move and trying to prove with everything that those relationships are not real, it might be hard and hurting. So I think it would be understandable if they themselves, or perhaps management as well, decided to separate publicly trying to reduce the rumors. It doesn't mean that they had a fight or that they stopped being friends, just that they publicly tried to interact with each other as little as possible to relax things a bit...
idk, it's the non-larry explanation that I can think of, as I said I wasn't there so maybe I've said something wrong, and besides, english is not my first language so I may not have done the best job writing this. Anyways, I hope it makes sense.
And just to finish I wanted to say that you are my favorite acc here, especially because of the respect you always show for different opinions <3 bye!
Don’t apologise for your English!! This was done excellently and also you are far more clever than me who can only speak one language lol. Thank you for the kind words <3
This is the main theory that antis use against larry, but I’d argue that there is far more proof for larry being real than not. It just makes it look more suspicious if they did that, ya know? Ships have been around for ages and it’s like, the majority of the time people just play into it, like the other boys do, but larry very clearly didnt which just yeah… made it massively suspicious and we continued to get all this proof and bloody matching tattoos over the years, and they looked miserable and weird in every “relationship” they were in.
Everything was just so fake and I can’t accept any of those “girlfriends�� were real relationships. Plus, Larries are a massive chunk of the 1d fandom, so if I was their manager wanting to make all the money I can, I’d be getting them to play into it and not shy away, personally. But they were far too obvious lol
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For the Salty Asks (forgive us for the avalanche, if it's too many you can pick your top three): 2, 9, 10, 11, 13 (Optimus), 20, 25 (IDW1), 26
uhhh honestly I feel a bit like a hermit who's out of the loop on what's popular/unpopular so some of these might be completely off the mark but here we go
2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?
Mmmm I think most of my brotp's aren't shipped as OTPs to start with, so I dunno if I have any that fit this question.
Guess the closest example for me would be OPli/ta. I don't actively platonically ship them but I think platonic is way more interesting than romantic. I don't like the fandom's interpretation of romantic O/Plita at all + I feel like as one of the original "token woman" Autobots, I'd like to see Elita unshackled from Optimus as a love interest, esp because any official interpretation of them is probably gonna be written extremely heteronormatively/token romance between an action hero and The Girl. And the fanon version of them that's Strong Independent Girlboss Elita with whipped simp husbnad Optimus is just as boring and gross.
I just don't like the vibes and would rather them have some sort of friendly or regular relationship together.
9. Most disliked character(s)? Why?
IDW1 Slide, who I've gone into detail about my hatred of in several posts, but the TLDR is that she comes off as some kind of mouthpiece character? Not a mouthpiece as in for the author's beliefs, but it literally feels like she only exists to shit on Optimus and call him a piece of shit. Her dialogue is so cheesily written ("literally fascism" is an actual thing she says) and her bitching/lack of cultural comprehension about Cybertronian history is so prevalent, that for a long time during my IDW1 reading I was genuinely confused as to whether she was supposed to be some sort of parody/strawman/mockery of someone IRL (her character comes off almost EXACTLY like an anti-SJW stereotype of a screeching harpy calling everyone she dislikes a fascist, and it's only Barber's very obviously left-leaning writing in other parts of the story that told me that definitely wasn't the intent). So then I was wondering "okay is she gonna like, randomly become evil and turn against the good guys because she's just that petty? I mean she spends all of her time bitching about how Optimus/the Autobots/Cybertronians in general are the worst ever and she also hates humans too so I mean maybe? Half of this story already doesn't make sense so I can see it happening."
Thankfully that didn't happen, but like. Slide is so goddamn annoying and ignorant and gets way too much page time dedicated to her angry monologuing (in Unicron aka the finale of IDW1 there's literally a whole half page panel of her bitching about how Optimus is an evil tyrant while Trypticon is dying behind her and it comes off as a poorly timed, bad taste joke). The narrative treats her like she's some important individual whose feelings are important and valid, but she's fucking annoying. Any sympathy she was meant to garner is canceled out by badly written dialogue and the fact that she's a Literal Nobody of a character who seemingly only exists to bash the decades old, beloved legacy characters. For the sake of, idk, talking about how fucked up Cybertronians are that they just shrug and move on when people die? Bc apparently it's some sort of sin to be numb after 4 million years of war (and war that's literally still ongoing while Slide is bitching) and just soldier on trying to get through it? God forbid that a military hierarchy fighting to keep neo-Decepticons and various other alien threats from colonizing Earth be run like a military in which orders have to be followed, people die, but you still have to keep fighting anyways? Idefk man I just hate Slide so much she's basically the embodiment of all of the bad aspects of Barber's writing personified.
10. Most disliked arc? Why?
Mutineers arc in MTMTE/LL. I feel like (whether due to early cancellation and/or JRO wasting time on too many side plots to give it its full depth), I dislike how the mutineers were basically boiled down to pure evil morons who are the most disgusting, despicable evil ever and the only reason the mutiny had Good Guys (TM) in it was because they were horribly misled and not because, you know, the mutiny was 100% a valid thing to have happened as retaliation against Rodimus and Megatron's captaincy.
Like, I'm not opposed to the idea of Getaway and his cronies being assholes (I personally thought Getaway was a GREAT slow-burn, puppet master villain/anti-hero), I just dislike how the quality of their writing degraded from MTMTE to LL. Felt like they (Getaway in particular) got passed the Idiot Ball and then the actual reasons behind the mutiny were never addressed, it was kind of just "oh Getaway died horribly so we're all friends now and we forgive each other and Rodimus/Megatron will just go back to being captains now."
11. Is there an unpopular character you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why?
You mean besides IDW Optimus because anyone who's been on my blog for like 5 seconds knows he's my biggest problematic fave skldfjskd
Uhhh I guess in the spirit of the previous question, Getaway. I feel like the fandom's hatred for him is overblown mainly bc it's a combination of Tailgate/Cyga/te fans going "HE GOT IN THE WAY OF C/YGA/TE AND ALMOST KILLED THAT PRECIOUS CINNAMON ROLL" and Rodimus or Megatron stans going "Getaway hates my fave?? But my fave is a good captain and deserves the world HE'S EVIL MY FAVORITE IS BEYOND CRITICISM OR REPROACH GETAWAY IS THE EMBODIMENT OF EVIL."
Like to me it seems as if the hate for Getaway isn't normal dislike or even people hating him because he's a well written villain. It feels weirdly like ppl really take Getaway's actions personally and hate him with the kind of passion you normally see reserved for actual real life horrible people. Or they like, see Getaway as an obstacle to [favorite character]'s happiness and not as an individual who, before the quality of his writing tanked, was actually an interesting character who maybe even had good points? It just feels like people mainly hate Getaway because he's the antagonist to more popular characters/ships and so they project their defense of their faves into virulently hating him.
13. Unpopular opinion about (Optimus)?
Honestly 90% or more of the fan content I see for Optimus is really boring/uncompelling to me, or really just comes off as out of character. It's either Optimus being reduced to an accessory to be shipped with someone (usually turned into some sort of moe cutesy uke type) or him being turned into.... idk some permutation of "feral irresponsible gremlin" or "One Of The Good Ones (TM)" or "anxiety-ridden damsel who needs to be rescued by his lover" or, in some circles, "character I project my issues with authority onto and try to frame as evil for things that aren't even evil."
Idk how to specifically describe it, it's just... a vibe? Most of the Optimus content I see doesn't actually feel like him at all. It feels like it's Optimus/Orion in name only, who got so separated from canon and distorted by fanon/flanderization/shipping/porn stereotypes that he now only vaguely resembles the character he's supposed to be.
20. What is the purest ship in the fandom?
Ahahaha I don't really go into the realm of pure ships honestly, plus this is the war criminal fandom where pretty much every character has killed people or committed crimes or is just generally scarred by war so uhhh
Idk I think Thundercracker/Melissa is a pretty hinged ship? They get along and cope surprisingly well with all the shit that happens. There's no angst or betrayals or misunderstandings or enemies, they're just very respectfully together. Sdfklsajfksd
25. How would you end (IDW1)/Would you change the ending of (IDW1)?
Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with the ending of IDW1 on both sides of the story. On Barber's side I would've preferred if every single planet including Cybertron didn't get fucking eaten leaving them all stuck on Earth together, and I would've also kept Trypticon alive while... minimizing Slide's role, to say the least. I don't have a problem with Optimus' ending bc I actually think that Optimus' arc in Unicron is like, one of the few 1000% good things Barber wrote for him it's just. It's pure Optimus in his best form.
On JRO's side I would've cut out the last panel with the alternate Lost Light and left it ambiguous as to whether the quantum jump successfully copied the ship or not. I dislike the vibes of the canon ending that implied that everyone moving on with their lives (almost universally to new and exciting and happier places) was the "sad" ending and going on a permanent road trip is the "true, happy" ending. In the author's notes I think JRO said that he wanted to give the readers an ending that would allow them to imagine their faves continuing to go on adventures, but I think compromising a good ending to a story to appease fans is fucking stupid + fandom has never needed permission or approval from the author to write alternate, happy endings. So why ruin a poignant, melancholy ending about how endings come with new beginnings and sadness/nostalgia can be mixed with hope and happiness by going "sike lol they're all living happily ever after on their space cruise."
Also I wouldn't have randomly killed off Ratchet for no reason because like. What was that even supposed to accomplish. I'm no stranger to writing major character deaths but like. He just fucking died of disease off-screen and that was that??? Why, like what was the narrative/symbolic purpose of that besides just making the ending more sad? Maybe to emphasize how going back to Cybertron was the "bad ending" and the quantum Lost Light is the "good ending" since on the LL Ratchet is still alive? But see the paragraph above for why I don't like that.
26. Most shippable character?
The most shippable character to me is whichever character I think is the sexiest, because if I think they're sexy it makes me want to ship them with everyone. "Guards, fuck that man for me" etc etc. Lmao
#squiggle answers#long post#i put / through ship names not bc i hate them but bc#i want to try and keep them from showing up in the maintags for the ship
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I'm honestly so fucking tired of the sh/p discourse and this anti-pr/ship and pr/ship shit. It's all nonsense, both sides do nothing but harm people and have zero brain.
None of them can understand Basic Media Comprehension. None of them can genuinely understand nuance. None of them genuinely want what's the healthiest or the best for people.
Plus, what even is a pr/ship and an anti anymore? There's ten million versions for every corner of the internet and every fandom. For some, antis are the ones that show porn and sexually harass children and others who don't agree with them as a way of retribution, when for me it's been pr/ships who've done that.
It's insane and none of it really makes sense anymore. Here's my stance for those who want to know.
Sexualizing kids in media is bad. But awareness around how kids sexualize themselves and how adults sexualize them isn't bad, learn to differenciate them.
Inc/st is inherently abusive, esp between parents/kids and siblings.
Ag/ g/ps are about the experience and knowledge gap, not the numbers. Which is why saying "it's only 2 years!" is weird af. A 10 year old and a 12 year old are in completely different worlds. A 16 year old and a 18 year old are also in different worlds.
Representing dark topics, talking about them and putting them on your stories doesn't make you support them. Read the actual text and see what the author is trying to say about them.
Murder and rape aren't on the same level due to how society views them. Murder is not normalized outside of fiction on the world at large, there's only desensitization which is not the same as normalization.
Everything affects everything. Fiction is a reflection of reality, that doesn't mean it's a direct reflection of it. If you make an evil character it doesn't mean that you want to do those evil actions necessarily, and if the creators does, question why they put it into this character. What was the author saying about those actions in the subtext and/or in the text?
Always ask why, how, when, what and who. Esp why and how, everything else is secondary but equally as important.
Stop basing your morals on what makes you feel icky.
Stop harassin people period. Callout posts are only under dire circumstances, not some random guy on the internet liking a disgusting ship.
Is it really that hard not to ship children and adults? You will survive, believe it or not.
Shipping implies you want to enjoy romantic and platonic relationship between them for whatever reason.
Shipping abusive relationships between adults is nuanced and you Need to look at the text or the reasons behind it before you make your callout.
Censorship is bad. Wanting to censor everything you think is icky is bad, as this as been used for so long to oppress every minority you could think of, especially queer media.
Thats all. Good bye. This was mostly to put it on my pinned.
#cw proship#i just don't want people to find this fucking post bc ppl are weird.#cw incest mention#cw sa mention#cw ship discourse
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Hudson and Rex S03E06 - Endless Summer
That episode is mediocre. Also, certain performances are... ugh. And... what was the point of it?
A young woman doesn't take her phone with her when she hikes? In this day and age? Immediately suspicious.
Balaclava is such a funny word and will always remind me of baklava.
This is actually Wuthering Heights. I often see Mayko Nguyen try to fight with the wind on this show. Even beautiful locations have drawbacks.
Bribery again. Also, if that's not an actual product placement, which I doubt it, you don't have to hold it like that. Although now I noticed the label says "Papa Jesse's" lol
We learn that the police had unjustly targeted a black man for the murder of the previous girl (why? how? is it just the man's point of view?) but it's okay because Charlie and Rex weren't on the case then but they are now.
"You literally got hurt in the last episode, you're not allowed to get hurt again this season, okay?"
*Rex barks* Charlie: "What is it, pal?" Sarah: "I think he wants the balaclava?" Okay, whose dog is this really?
lol their twin exasperated looks.
Let's not forget that the main purpose of a balaclava is to keep the face warm. Or so I'm told. Personally, I've never had a reason to use it.
Jesse, always ahead of his time, has an AI software already.
"You can't negotiate with artificial intelligence". What even. Also, when the robots come for us, you'll have to.
Stop putting random slow-mo when they chase someone. Just use it when Rex jumps over obstacles to make him look cool.
"If I'd been a few minutes earlier, Katie would be home with her mom right now". Seeing as she's orchestrated the whole thing, probably not. So take it easy with the guilt.
Charlie: "Smells delightful". Rex: "How do you have such a delicate sense of smell with such a small nose?"
Sarah: "I think he wants you to dig deeper". Charlie: "Of course he does".
And what have we here? Sarah even reaches for his cell phone in his back pocket before he even tells her to. Are you guys having a nice time?
"Sarah? Hiiii. I was... looking for Charlie". Or, did my ship become canon sooner than I thought?
Good job on finally looking at the guy's records to confirm the status of his disability.
Joe: "Charlie, don't you do anything until backup gets there." Charlie: "Don't think I'm going to be able to wait on that, Joe". Color me shocked.
You know, if you'd benched him after that, he'd be more keen to follow procedure next time so whose fault is it, really?
"You were looking for young girls to do things to them." I think that sentence gets brushed over. This case is really gross when you sit down to actually think about it.
That girl's performance is one of the worst I've seen on this show.
Charlie's talk with Zach in the end makes no sense to me. He was a suspect in the murder (although it is never fully explained why they suspected him initially, unless anti-social behavior is now a crime) and in the disappearance case, he initially had told Charlie that cops had targeted him but doesn't explain why he thought that, and Charlie's investigation is based on the suspicion that he was the murderer and on planted evidence by Katie, plus the fact that Zach's wife kept lying. Meaning that there were factual reasons for steering the investigation on Zach. There's a point where he steers away from that and comes up with the theory "what if Zach is being framed" and part of it doesn't make sense as pointed out by Joe, and Charlie still keeps pushing it.
Then we get to the end of the case with no pattern of racial profiling or misconduct established and then Charlie says "things need to change". What things? Explain what you or your predecessors did wrong? What you're willing to change? Of course an innocent man should be upset that he was unjustly suspected for one crime and then framed for another, but it's never explained in either case whether he was suspected, or targeted as he says, due to racism Never once does he or anyone else say "they targeted me because I was black". And that's what the writers of this show chose to write, a vague "I was targeted" explanation. How does that tie in with the scene in the end? Not to mention the ridiculous attempt at levity after that. I'm sorry but not everything needs to be forgotten the next second, not even in this show.
And if you're going to write a story about an innocent man that was targeted by the police due to the color of his skin, then you need to actually say the word racism, which is not heard ONCE in the entire episode. It's imperative. Otherwise you're just confusing your viewers.
I don't know if this episode is worth writing this much about it, honestly. But I'm sure someone has already said somewhere that it's a "woke" episode which I guess is what gets me. It's not, and "wokeness" is not the reason why it's not a good episode. The actual reason is that it is a half-assed attempt to push the narrative that the police are trying to change their ways, when it doesn't even explain what was wrong in the past and what needs to change. And I don't like that they're using Charlie as a vehicle for it. Charlie was a cop who wanted to do his job well in S1 as much as he wanted to in this episode. He just seemed fake as hell in this episode, so yeah, someone (multiple someones in fact) fucked up.
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I just talked with my friend who is a Gojo fan but anti Geto and anti stsg. When I asked her about Satosugu, do you know what she said : "Just because someone loves Gojo it does not mean that they must ship satosugu or they also loves Geto. Unfortunately, I would call gojo/geto as close to canon as a queer ship can get in shounen. But it does not have to always be canon right?" (She loves Gojo/Sukuna and Gojo/Yuji ships, even wrote fanfics about them). I don't know how to answer her, between want to laugh and cry at the same time 🤣😭😆
Well, yeah, no one is forced to ship SatoSugu but how can anyone not?
Their backstory? The banter? How they're designed? How they act around each other? Like, come on! Season 2's first opening and ending are literally SatoSugu songs!
"Unfortunately..." why she had to say it like it's the worst representation ever? 😭
Honestly, pulling the "it doesn't always have to be canon, right" card is like "It's not canon so you shouldn't ship". Both ways, it's just saying "This is a rule that you must follow because it makes me comfortable". It's a tactic, a way of setting a rule because that person feels that it's "their way". Shipping should be something fun. Not something people should dictate, come on.
No offense to your friend, I mean that. But it's just odd to me to be anti-Geto when Sukuna is just as bad... wait, no. Sukuna is a lot worse. Is she a fan of Sukuna?
Now I will say at least your friend being anti-Geto is (probably, I don't know) why she doesn't ship SatoSugu. Which is fair. Some people will like a ship but hate one of the characters and I don't see the point of that. If you don't like the character, then don't feel the need to have a ship for them??? If I hate a character or don't particularly care for them, I wouldn't pay attention to the ships for them. That's just me.
I have seen some shippers of another fandom like this ship of two characters where one is really grumpy and hot blooded and gets a lot of hate and the other is like the typical Shonen protagonist, but he's a side character and those people will only ship that ship because "he can change him" as it's only right that one character has the ability to change and train the other like he's a dog. Honestly, disrespectful to both characters.
Back to SatoSugu!
Okay, back to a previous point. The "it doesn't have to always be canon bit" also applies to shipping Gojo/Sukuna and Gojo/Yuji. Both ships have way less content, especially, in a romantic sense than SatoSugu. Neither is canon and some people would have problems with them.
The first one, I can see why people ship it because you know the whole "enemies to lovers" and the whole fight thing and "I enjoyed fighting you". But those would be problems for people who don't ship them. Some folks don't like enemies being shipped because they usually try to kill each other and that ship is no different. Their whole fight may have been enjoyable for them, but they both still had those intentions to kill each other.
There's also the whole case of Sukuna possessing Yuji and Megumi's bodies, both being minors, so yeah, uncomfortable. (It's why nowadays people who like the ship prefer to ship them when it's OG!Sukuna.)
Speaking of, that's the problem people would have with the latter ship. Not everyone is fond of teacher/student relationships especially when a minor is involved.
That reminds me of how once I said something along the lines of "if SatoSugu had a kid, Yuji is the result". Something like that, something like that. [I'll post the link to that here.]
I don't know whether to cry or laugh either, Anon, I'll be real. Like... there's just so much to unpack here...
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We know how Sara Lance likes her coffee, black with lots of sugar! We learn that early on in Legends Season One. You might like your coffee differently and that's fine, so is artistic liberty in matters the show didn't elaborate on but if the show gave us the answer, stick with it. And the shows gave us several people's coffee preferences. Sara drinks it black with two sugars, Oliver likes it black, Felicity drinks a none fat latte with extra sugar (that makes zero sense on a nutrition level) just to name a few. We got the info. So do your research. Use another methaphor. Sorry things like that just really annoy me. But then again, I spend hours working out the smallest detail and researching things like Max Fuller's wife's name...
She doesn't like her coffee bitter, like her relationships and dirty martini, the woman mainly drinks scotch!, like do your research if you use it as something to make a point about a character and their actions.
And Sara was not sleeping with whoever tickled her fancy during her time with the Legends. There were a few choice people she hooked up with but she wasn't sleeping her way through time as so many Avalance people would like to make it out.
And who the hell thinks Ava's sweet while Oliver is bitter? It's like the exact opposite. Oliver's the sweetest person on the planet, Ava is so fucking bitter it's not even funny anymore.
And I don't why I'm over here ranting. Blame it on all the people tagging fics as Canarow simply for mentioning the fact that Sara used to date Oliver. That's a fact, you don't need to tag it that for two sentences.
I swear I get heat for also tagging a Canarrow story Olicity because technically in the story Oliver is with Felicity as in the present but Avalance and Olicity people tag a story Canarrow just because Sara and Oliver having been together is mentioned or they break up in the first chapter and them actually being together is never shown in the story.
Make it make sense and stop tagging your toxic bullshit with my ship! There are so few Canarrow fics out there don't throw your anti-fics in there I don't want to see those toxic ships under my happy tag.
I think I'm done now.
And where are my fellow Canarrow writers at? I sort of want to go through with "there can't be a none Canarrow ship at the top of the Canarrow tag" but I'm one person, my muse is flakey and given the amount of Avalance and Olicity people that are currently falsely tagging their fics Canarrow I will not be able to do that.
Wow this post just turned into something entirely different.
Anyway... I hope everyone has a great day.
#sara lance appreciation#otp: i chose you / i'm gonna stay with you#canarrow#oliver x sara#sara x oliver#sara lance defence squad#pet peeve as a writer do your research!#sara lance likes her coffee sweet and that is important#oliver queen defence squad#he's the sweetest person on the planet#anti avalance I guess#anti olicity i guess#oliver and sara were so unbelievably sweet as a couple they gave you a sugar rush#stay the fuck out of our tag#keep your toxic ships out of our tag#canarrow fics are a rarety so don't taint them with wrongly tagged fics#yes I rant here because i would never make a writer feel bad by simply commenting because their tagging is in accurate bullshit#i'm not that person and i much rather uplift people with positive comments than tearing them down with negatives#inspire and motivate is the goal#but sometimes i gotta rant so here we are#arrow#legends of tomorrow
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ACOTAR FANDOM RANT incoming:
Y'all will never see me commenting on a properly tagged anti-Elriel post just to start a fight or even point out something the OP misconstrued or concluded (however incorrectly).
Ok I've done it maybe like three times, and it was probably back from when I was brand spankin new to this fandom's insanity and didn't understand the rules (learned Very quickly as a result of a bad encounter with the you know who's), or because someone copy pasted my post to "prove me wrong" (they didn't)
I've only been active in this fandom since like February 2024, and I have yet to block anyone, block any tags, or even follow any tags.
I see just as many anti-Elriel posts as I see Elriel posts.
Let that sink in.
I don't "go looking" through the anti-elriel tags, but when you don't follow anything - you get a whole lot of everything in your "for you" page.
I see so many flat out wrong interpretations of canon text or people posting about how during "Gwyn & Azriel's dagger lesson, he let her use Truthteller" or "Elain is secretly so in love with Lucien that she self harms instead of using his gifts"
and you know what I do? I exercise my self-control, and scroll. None of my business.
Clearly, I am not someone who is interested or even out lurking in anti Elriel posts for a fight. And yet, I have so many antis commenting on my posts - getting mad - then blocking ME.
Does that make sense? They came onto my page, to tell me I was wrong, and then got mad when I very logically pointed out the flaws in their logic, and then blocked me.
Facts:
I don't go out and start fights on anti-Elriel posts.
When someone comes to my posts, and starts a fight, I am very respectful of that person. You'll see me calling their interpretation wrong - but you won't see me saying anything about them personally, or calling them names or slurs or anything of that nature.
I do not belittle others
I do not dismiss anyone's trauma
I do not diminish anyone's accomplishments
I am respectful of real people's boundaries
I have never brought up tasteless and crude arguments just to "win a fight"
And if anyone thinks otherwise, then go ahead, feel free to prove me wrong. Receipts are all up there. To this day, I haven't deleted a comment, post, or reblog. I have like 80 posts a day, surely if I have behaved poorly in any way, I would've slipped up by now and you'd be able to find it.
But I know I haven't.
Even when people didn't read my post or understand anything I was saying before coming into my comments to fight with me. Even when someone said my trauma doesn't matter. Even when someone said I was "anti SA victims" (which is really funny, because that was after I reluctantly pointed out that I was unfortunately ALSO an SA victim)
I have never, ever, said anything like that to anyone in this fandom. That's just not who I am.
So then why - WHY - do people think it's okay to send me anons that threaten to find me and get me to "stfu about elriel you fucking c*nt" and tell me to go off myself and if I ship Elriel I'm an abuser?
Genuinely - why is that necessary? Why does someone feel the need to type that out, read it back, nod to themselves like "oh yeah that's good". And then send it to a real person??
What do they think I'm going to do? What purpose does that serve? It's very clearly a troll or some Elucien/Gwynriel that doesn't like what I have to say - but why is this the reaction?
Having a preference for a fictional ship does not make you a bad person. I have not once engaged with ANY EL/GA and called them "anti - SA" or "pro - r*pe culture" if they were fighting with me on my post. I think they're crazy sometimes - don't get me wrong - but I'm not out here thinking someone who ships Elucien is anti-women.
That is crazy. If you think having any preference for a ship makes some a "BAD PERSON", respectfully please log off. Get out of this fandom because you are part of the reason it's gotten so bad.
Stop attacking real people over fucking fictional characters. It's not okay, in any context. And I'm tired of it.
Turning off my anons for at least a little bit, sorry to the ones I haven't gotten around to.
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Do you support proshippers, cause if so then 😬.
People generally do not take this as an answer but I do want to say it because some people do care.
But I don't. Because I do not support either side and assigning me to either side does not reflect my views.
I actively oppose the conversation and the way is formatted and I intentionally do not engage.
I am neither a ProShipper or an Antishipper. And describing me as either would be describing me wrong. Why?
Because it's not a cut and dry issue.
It's not like Pro-life and Pro-choice where the question is simply 'Should abortion be legal'?
The shipping argument is asking if a RANGE of topics ranging from abusive relationships or negative depictions of mental illness to literal CP are okay - all under one question.
Asking me this is like asking "Hey do you support people that age up Damien Wayne in fics *cough*(and also people who write horribly dangerous things like graphic sexual assault for their own dark amusement..those people too)*cough*"
Like...the question to begin with is flawed.
With a question formatted like that - there is absolutely no way to have a healthier clear conversation that makes sense or accurately displays anyone's views.
The conversation itself is to vague and too broad to offer any type of fruitful conversation whatsoever. And I stand on that.
Like, I'd say at least half of the takes I see from either side I think are wrong, ridiculous, or based on vague arguments that just don't make sense.
I'm Not a Pro-Shipper cause there is some weird shit out there I'm not attaching myself to. Because some people out there are deranged, and malicious, and this is the internet.
I'm NOT an Anti-Shipper because there are a LOT of fucked up things that do wind up in media that tell a specific story - and there's also shit in the conversation that just doesn't fucking matter.
If you're writing about a character who went through CSA and your goal is to show a story about someone who lives with that trauma? Great. I'm for that so long as you do your research and do it respectfully
If you're writing out the SCENES???? AT LENGTH?? Go somewhere. Preferably a jail cell but somewhere that's not here.
If you're aging up a character and headcanon-ing what they'd be like in the future for shipping purposes - or you're shipping characters with no in-universe confirmed age. I couldn't care less.
If I don't wanna read it, I won't support it. I won't give it kudos or views. It's got nothing to do with me.
If you're writing things that are openly racist or openly sexualizing a character you are clearly writing as a child - absolutely fucking not. Anime men I'm looking at you.
And if you write black characters involved in raceplay count your mfing days.
It's not a cut and dry issue, so to ask me to define myself in one word on a topic of dozens of different genres isn't going to give you a clear picture of my views.
You are more likely to get a more clearer answer if you ask me about that specific genre and topic.
I am vocally and clearly on neither side and opposed to a conversation that is narrow and often ends in miscommunication.
There's always going to be a Pro-Shipper or Anti-Shipper out there that I deeply disagree with.
I refuse to engage and support a conversation that lumps together very serious issues with very asinine things and then expects me to answer in one word at threat of harassment (not you in specific, but very realistically in general).
I am a person of complex opinions. You see my blog. You really expect me of all people to be able to describe myself in one word?
Maybe in the terms of "Pro-Life" vs Pro-Choice (I'm Pro-Choice obviously) But in this conversation I cannot do it. I am very firmly neither.
I hope that answer your question, and since I feel like this should be said - especially with the fandom we're in - I'm happy to answer your question.
Like I said, a lot of people just won't take this as an answer. And that's fine. But I said what I said.
If you engage in this conversation and you think I agree you, you're wrong. If you engage and you think I disagree with you, you're wrong. Cause I am simply sitting here in silence, writing my silly little analysis and looking pretty, and will continue to do so.
Now if you'll excuse me, there's a photo of Hobie that I need to stare at.
Bye.
#I do not engage and I mean that#proship#antiship#somebody was bound to ask#but yeah thats why i dont talk about it cause that conversation is structured dumb as fuck from the ground up are kidding me#the question in itself is rigged for an argument regardless of what you say#so I say - Fuck that shit Im here being a hot girl fuck you gonna do stop me??
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Hiii! Sorry if I sound weird or disrespectful in some way, I was curious if it’s a common experience for you as a mileven shipper to go on byler tag just to try to understand their point of view. Like you go “ahh byler shippers make no sense, I wonder what are their thoughts on that scene/dialogue/etc” and then read some theories to understand them better. For example I am a byler and anti-mileven which means I completely don’t get this ship so I sometimes scroll through mileven tag or blogs to see “what are you guys on” (w/o negative tone)😭basically learning more abt mileven. Cause sometimes I see anti-byler posts where author obvi doesn’t even know what there’re talking abt and same thing with some anti-mileven ones. In my country there’s a popular phrase “know your enemy in the face”, it basically means you can’t hate anything not knowing what it is and I actually think that’s really important, some ppl should take notes lol, sorry for yapping. I’m not texting you specifically bc I have a beef with you or anything, I actually love your blog cause your posts (even tho I disagree ofc) are valid. I’m sure you cook such wonderful meals for your community and honestly? Keep going!! (I’ll read your stuff too 😼)I tried to make this ask anonymous but can’t find the button on the tablet so you can come at me if you need😭
heyyy, good question but it depends
usually i just text random byler shippers (or friends that ship byler but I don't have much of them so if you're a byler shipper and we're moots it actually means that you're super cool 😭😭😭) and ask them about their point of view
tbh i don't spend much time on tumblr bc i hate to see what people are doing to my fav character here (mike) and also i kinda feel like byler on tumblr is like a new reddie fanfic version 💀 emo boy and a sensitive little baby🥰🥰 I'm sorry 😭
I read a lot of byler theories mainly because of Mike, and usually they don't make sense to me, but honestly I found theories that were really good even though I ship Mileven
tbh for me byler would make way more sense if not the fact that there's only one season left and mike doesn't even know that will isn't straight - actually will haven't done a coming out even to his mom yet😭😭 i just feel like there's not enough time for all of this sorry guys
but i get why people ship it and even if that doesn't make much sense to me- if u want to ship them u can like it's not that deep it's just a fictional ship, the only thing i ask for- don't talk shit about my ship to make yours more valid please
also, even if I'm reading byler theories for fun to talk about them later with my mileven moots I'm trying to keep it for myself, i don't want to talk shit about byler cuz i don't want people to do the same to my ship. Like i get that we share a character but we don't have to kill ourselves 😭 just focus on your own ship..
answering ur question: I'm not searching for an explanation on tumblr or sth bc the explanation will be like : mike and will wear green so byler endgame 😝
i just ask an actual byler on pv so i can understand something better which is actually funny cuz i can randomly text someone and be like: hey I'm a mileven shipper but i wanted to ask, can u explain the birthdaygate to me? and i will get a whole paragraph about it😭 (btw thanks to the random byler that explained it to me before ross posted will byers on ig)
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You keep getting SO close to accurately portraying Rhys and the IC and then you CHOKE at the last second. COMMIT lol
Hey there, anon.
I'll be honest with you, I usually ignore asks with this sort of tone, but frankly, I had a shit morning and this hurt my feelings a little.
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and I hope you were just teasing. But I also want to take a second to just explain my thoughts on this for what they're.
Before I say anything else, I, as a writer and a member of the fandom, am not personally anti anyone. In fact, at my very heart, I am a multishipper. Anyone who knows me within the fandom knows my personal take is that "these people are too hot to not be fuckin'", and I stand by that. Also, while we're being honest, I think ship wars are dumb. The literal entire point of fanfiction is to see (or write!) the things that you want to see in canon. Why are we fighting about this? Let Miss Sarah cook, and we can decide what else we need to write from there. Second, as I assume you were reading both my stories since your comment seemed to imply more than once, but I think it's important to note what I'm writing. My fics so far are Tamlin/OC and Eris/OC, which like, consider the source. I even said in the Eris one that I wasn't going to be writing an anti-IC fic--but I like to write things close to how I imagined them personally, and I think obviously if it's one of their POVs, there will be IC tension. IDK, from a storytelling standpoint that seems to make sense to me. That doesn't mean they're going to be evil. Stories shift and change, and in writing OCs I want to explore things the way I envisioned them. I am sorry if it doesn't fit with what you'd envisioned, but the beauty of fanfic is that you can just close out and find something that does.
Third, I just got here. I literally started writing the week of Christmas, and I hadn't read ACOTAR before last July. So, I am still fairly new. That being said, I try really hard to be a good cheerleader and friend in this community. I wish more people would. Telling someone they "choked" writing something isn't a particularly kind way to say it. I totally respect if someone doesn't like my writing, and I don't expect that everyone will. But if what you're saying isn't nice, why take the time to say it at all?
I'll close by repeating again that I hope this was just teasing. Anon, if you'd like to talk more, my DMs are open, and I hope you know that I would be happy to have polite discourse with anyone. I swear I'm not mean. I'm just someone who enjoys writing things and making new friends. If this reaches you, I hope you'll think twice about the way you phrase things in people's ask boxes in the future, and I hope that, if you're a creator too, that some kindness finds you today.
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