#cw incest mention

[reasonsforhope]

Btw I think it's worth mentioning that I'm like. In some ways an extremely cynical person:

Literally, one of my major opinions on humanity is "Humans really seem to like committing genocide???" (Look, obviously genocide is a fucking atrocity, and I'm in no fucking way diminishing that. It's just also something that people keep fucking committing.)

I work professionally with survivors of abuse, rape, and incest.

I think that most people are (by design, aka evolution!) fundamentally self-interested (and also that that's usually okay)

I am more caught up on the news than like/at least 90% of people.

So when I say that I think that:

Hope is real

There is real, substantial evidence for hope

I think we're going to beat climate change

There is a ton of evidence that supports us beating climate change,

We're going (continue) making the world a better place

The good of humanity and the world ultimately outweighs the bad

It's not because I'm sticking my head in the sand. It's really, really not!

I'm saying that in very real knowledge of how fucking shitty things are and can be.

And despite all that, I'm still hopeful. I'm still optimistic.

I still think hope is going to win.

You don't need to be some huge optimist to have hope.

Anyway here's a link to my masterpost on why we're going to beat climate change,

And here's a link to a great article* on all the reasons that this century is, on average, the best time to be alive in human history.

*It is mostly a great article but warning for some brief but serious fatphobia and some annoying Western-centrism.

The world isn't perfect. It's so far from perfect. Hope is still worth it.

[hill-art02]

"Andrealphus isn't incestuous towards Stella he's just saying those things because he's in the closet"

Look at him! The closet is glass, and even if that's true, he could've objectified any woman who's unrelated to him, but no, it has to be Stella, his sister, for some reason!

What were the writers thinking?

[pr0blematic-h0unds]

What's your favorite proship? :3

How could you ask me such a thing 😔😔😔

My little ouppy brain will explode from having to choose 😔😔😔

Uhhhh can't fully decide so here's a small list :)

[not in order from fav to least fav just ones off the top of my head]

1. Inkcest ( Ink x PJ x Gradient )

2. Dreammare ( Dream x Nightmare )

3. Afterdeathcest ( Geno x Reaper x Goth )

4. Ink x Passive (don't know what their name would be tbh-)

5. Nightcest ( Passive x Nightmare )

6. Realistic Killer x Dust (aka the reality of how absolutely fucking horrible they would be to eachother)

7. Nightmare x Geno

8. Medhammer ( Medkit x Banhammer )

9. Broken Chains ( Broker x Banhammer x Zuka )

10. Coil x Subspace (dont know their shipname)

11. Tsukasa x Amane

Theres a lot more lmao, those are just the ones that mainly float around my dog brain]

[fireandspiceland]

Personally, I think France has a raging incest kink which is why he refers to himself as everyone’s “big brother” while simultaneously hitting on them.

He’s mad that he doesn’t have siblings he can fuck like England and Russia for example. And his “sister” Monaco is more like a distant cousin than a real sibling. So claiming to be everyone’s big brother especially when feeling flirty is the closest he’ll ever get to making his fantasy come true. 😘

[sleepyc63]

Why Looks to the Moon and Five Pebbles are family, and why Moonstone is considered a comship: An analysis of both vanilla and Downpour versions of Rain World

Hello! I know this isn't what I usually post, but this topic has been gaining some traction recently and I'd like to add my opinion to it.

This is very long so I’m adding a cut here -- Disclaimers and Discussion below!

A few disclaimers:

-> I am not going to be judging the morality of proshipping/comshipping/etc. This is solely meant to clear up misinformation, those conversations should be taken elsewhere.

-> I will be putting this in the #rw moonstone tag. As stated above, this is only meant to clear up misinformation. I do not want to be associated with the ship itself, nor do I want to offend people who like it. I'd like to put my personal biases aside and look at this from an entirely neutral lens.

-> All information is taken and interpreted from the dialogue within Rain World (copy/pasted from the wiki). I’m not going to be referencing outside material. If anything in this post has been debunked by a dev, please let me know (and provide screenshots, please. I won't believe you otherwise, lol). ***Post editing update: I used outside info once as a joke, and even then I provided a link. Is this extra? Maybe. But at least you can't say I don't know what I’m talking about.

-> Due to the fact that there is very little to go off of, I will be pulling from the same bits of dialogue more than once.

-> In character dialogue I will clarify who is speaking based on color: Quoting a Benefactor, LTTM, FP, SRS, NSH. Plain text is misc.

-> Yes, I call the 'Ancients' Benefactors.

Please, be respectful. I don't mean to start discourse, only polite discussion.

With that out of the way, we can move on.

First, I will add my reasoning as to why I believe they are siblings in the vanilla version of the game.

1) They consider the Benefactors as parental, and were (most likely) created by the same Colony of Benefactors.

" 'The Moral Argument: Five Pebbles is our Creation, and we have Parental Obligations towards him. As an Iterator, he is also a Gift of Charity from Us to The World (unable to reach Enlightenment by itself - being composed mostly of Rock, Gas, dull witted Bugs and Microbes - and towards which We thus have Obligations)'...And then there are polite farewells. None of us really miss the times when their cities were populated. Imagine having skin parasites that also ask for advice and have opinions...I'm sorry, that was disrespectful. They were our parents after all. "

- Pale Green Pearl, located in the Exterior

As you can see, it is directly stated -- not hinted at or implied -- that the Iterators see the Benefactors that created and lived on them as parental or familial figures. Why does this matter in relation to Moon and Pebbles?

" It's about the local aquifer - it must be quite old, from when Five Pebbles was in the planning phase...Building Pebbles so close to me was believed to be a risky choice, but the groundwater was finally deemed as sufficient. It was not a good decision, in hindsight. "

- Bright Purple Pearl, located in Shoreline

Here, it is confirmed that Moon and Pebbles were built unusually close together -- as we should all know. This also implies that the Benefactors of Moon's City were the ones who built Pebbles; This can be assumed as the pearl is found on what once was Moon's facility.

We don't know the intention of this choice, however, if both Moon and Pebbles consider their creators as parents, it isn't a stretch to assume they consider each other siblings as well. If anything, they are family.

This is the most damning evidence I have, so everything else is built off of this assumption that they are related in this way.

2) Moon is named "Big Sister Moon" in iterator chatlogs

I’m not going to add every time she is called this, but I will add one as an example:

" 1650.800 - PRIVATE. Five Pebbles, Chasing Wind, Big Sis Moon, No Significant Harassment "

- Sky Islands Pearl 3

It's easy to assume this is Moon's nickname, given to her by her friends (assuming her plushie blurb is a trustworthy source, lol). The nickname likely originates from her being Pebbles' older sister-figure. It's also possible that everyone in her group sees her as an older sister of sorts, however this would still include Pebbles as her brother-figure. I personally interpret the former, but that's just my opinion.

3) Sharing facilities is a metaphor for being from the same family.

***This is inspired from another user, but I couldn't find the original post to credit it. If the original poster would like to be credited via @ or a link, let me know and I will happily do so!

As proved in point 1, as well as many times throughout the game, Moon and Pebbles were built usually close together, most importantly sharing groundwater. As water is essential to the Iterators, sharing it is obviously not done without purpose. They aren't just two random Iterators next to each other -- they were put together for a reason.

Read this excerpt with this theory in mind -- makes sense, right?

" It's about the local aquifer - it must be quite old, from when Five Pebbles was in the planning phase...Water is the most important resource for our basic function. Most of our processing is outsourced to microbe strata which need a flow of clean water or else slag builds up, our processes seize, and eventually we die...Building Pebbles so close to me was believed to be a risky choice, but the groundwater was finally deemed as sufficient. It was not a good decision, in hindsight. "

- Bright Purple Pearl, located in Shoreline

This claim is arguably up to interpretation, but I still decided to include it to explain my reasoning further.

4) They have a huge age gap.

While this doesn't contribute to them being siblings, it does enforce my point of Moonstone being a comship.

" Originally water supply was very important when placing iterators. Later there would be a great equalizer - the fact that we breathe out as much vapor as we inhale water led to there being water available everywhere, and the latest few generations could be placed almost completely freely...Building Pebbles so close to me was believed to be a risky choice, but the groundwater was finally deemed as sufficient. It was not a good decision, in hindsight. "

- Bright Purple Pearl, located in Shoreline

If not self explanatory: Moon was a part of the first generations of Iterators built, and Pebbles' one of the last. If they aren't siblings, they have an age gap that potentially spans multiple generations.

I will also include quotes from Downpour, where it is confirmed.

I am aware this isn't what people are normally talking about when this is brought up, but it's important to add anyway.

Keep in mind that the original developers had a say in Downpours' release. Downpour is a Canon AU, it isn't just a fanmade mod anymore. The influence that Downpour has is undeniable, and it deserves to be included in these conversations.

" BSM: And as your Big Sis, you know how protective I am of you!~ BSM: ... BSM: I'm sorry, Five Pebbles. I'll always be here if you need someone to talk to. "

- Looks to the Moon, Rivulet ending cutscene

" SRS: She was appointed as Pebbles' superior. She has the power to stop him. NSH: I've been very close with Moon, and I can tell you she is incredibly caring. "

- Spearmaster Broadcast, Story (Gray) 6

" SRS: It was an odd situation, to be certain. It's quite rare for one iterator to be made the administrator of another. Just as rare as them being built right next to each other. NSH: His lack of appreciation used to bother me. Moon was a great big sister to him! "

- Spearmaster Broadcast, Story (Gray) 7

" GS: It's Five Pebbles - The one near Looks To The Moon. SI: Isn't she his senior, enough to the point where she calls herself Big Sister Moon? What about asking her? "

- Spearmaster Broadcast, Industrial Complex (Light Blue)

Keep in mind that these are private conversations between the Iterators -- not necessarily speaking formally, or to a lesser being, as we experience as the Slugcat. This is important later.

Now, I am going to be taking apart common arguments I see.

1) "They are only confirmed to be siblings in Downpour."

This, while technically true, can easily be argued against by the evidence I included above. Also, if they're siblings in Downpour, a canon AU, why is it such a stretch to assume it can't be the same in vanilla? They are shown to be explicitly related in Downpour, and while this isn't fully canon, why should a retcon as simple as confirming two characters to be siblings be dismissed as unimportant when discussing something as serious as incest?

2) "If they aren't canon outside of Downpour, then why is it considered incest in the base game?"

If I am wrong, and they weren't intended to be siblings in the original release, then it's at least a retcon. Yes, retcons can be annoying and inconvenient, but that doesn't make them any less relevant.

Besides, because Downpour got so popular, they were introduced as siblings to nearly everyone who's currently in the fandom. This means in fandom spaces, they are near universally considered to be siblings, whether you agree with it or not.

3) "Iterators are robots, and robots can't have biological family."

There are two things wrong with this statement -- It implies that Iterators are robots, and implies that romantic/sexual relationships between adoptive family members is not incest.

I'll start with the first claim: Iterators are never stated in game to be robots. Bio-Mechanical, yes, but people seem to ignore the "bio" part far too frequently. They are grouped with purposed organisms, stated by Moon herself:

" Do you know what a purposed organism is? Actually you are talking to one right now!Although, a small fraction of one. Nowadays I am mostly just my puppet. The bulk of me is in these walls but I am disconnected from those parts, to a degree where I am only vaguely aware of how bad their condition is. "

- Bright Magenta Pearl, located in Shoreline

***If anyone wants to hear more about this i will happily do so. I have a LOT to say on this topic.

Moon blatantly states that she is a purposed organism, directly comparing herself to a pipe cleaner slug. It's not confirmed that Moon & Pebbles are biologically related -- but at the same time, there's nothing saying they aren't. Hell, the sharing groundwater point I mentioned earlier could even tie into this.

And, no, I am not implying that a Benefactor could give birth to an Iterator, but they are still the Iterators' creators, therefore their parents. You don't have to be biologically related to be family, and in Moon & Pebbles case, they seem to consider each other family regardless of biological relation.

4) " 'Big Sister' may refer to Moon being his mentor figure."

I think this is a completely fair conclusion to come to, because they do call each other friends/neighbors more often than family.

" However, it seems this delivery was not intended for me. Everything suggests it was tailored for the specific predicaments of a friend of mine. Her name is Looks to the Moon, and her state is considerably worse than mine. She's a short distance to the east of here - much shorter than customary. A circumstance that has led to some difficulties between us. "

- Five Pebbles, Hunter Campaign

***I added the most relevant vanilla dialogue, but there are ~3 other instances (BG & DP) of Moon & Pebbles calling each other neighbors or old friends.

I personally don't think this means anything, simply the Iterators being overly formal (Remember the DP chats I added earlier?), but I see where people are coming from with this claim. Still -- with the information released in downpour, I think it should be assumed that this is either 1) retconned, or 2) just a speaking habit of the Iterators.

If anything, this claim further helps my point of Moonstone being a comship, as it would imply a mentor/student relationship.

Why am making this post?

Shipping is a very popular topic in all fandom spaces, and as a result, so is comshipping. No matter how you feel about it, there is one thing we should all agree on: Providing a warning when creating harmful content is important. Even in online spaces, people have a right to control what content they consume, and they can't have this control if we can't agree on what counts as sensitive content or not, or even worse, not tag at all.

You are not sensitive for not wanting to see harmful content, as well as you are not pure evil for engaging with this content either. As long as you are respectful and aware that this can hurt people, I truly do not have an issue. Just please, tag your posts with #sibling incest or #age gap, as that is what is canon to the game, whether you like it or not.

***As far as I know, nothing has happened as a result of this, at least not on a large scale. It is still important to mention, and especially important if I can help prevent this before someone is hurt.

I am making this because I don't want to see this become a topic of discourse in the Rain World fandom; I want to help stop it before it begins. I acknowledge that the people spreading misinformation are a vocal minority, and I hope it stays that way.

Let me clarify one final time: By making this post, I am not telling you that you should stop shipping Moonstone, nor that you should harass people that do. All that I want to come out of this post is respect and understanding. DO NOT use my words to harass ANYONE. I will not tolerate that.

Thank you for reading :D I appreciate if you listened to my yapping. I’m open to discussion, as long as you’re respectful!

Byeeeeeee :3

[cutely-inserts-my-opinion]

Hate that people are taking the recent episode of masm as "SEE THEY ARE CANON SIBLINGS" Or just still saying that in general.

In terms of the episode, the author of the fanfiction Sun read the whole video made up things so it isn't true in the slightest. Like they didn't start as babies and become old people in that universe normally either.

It's a fun episode but man are people being annoying about this part

Literally they made Moon CANONICALLY like Sun??????

"They're saying they're canonical siblings... so they're saying its canonically incest??" -Z (my wonderful husband <<<333)

[devilsburger]

Val and MD go on a not-a-date and it immediately descends into chaos (after this, i guess)

[nukacourier]

Okay so I looked into it and apparently the stupid "the garret twins are incestuous" bullshit theory literally stems from some guy on Reddit being pissy that someone suggested Mick and Ralph might be a gay couple for sharing a bed and brought up the twins using the same bed as a "gotcha" (completely ignoring the fact the twins sleep at separate intervals so they never share the bed together whereas Mick and Ralph don't)

[wonderhoy-stars]

I despiiiissse when I say I like media and then some fucking anti says "oh! you must condone everything related to said media that happens ever such as [insert insanely bad thing that you do not condone whatsoever/something you've never even heard of here]" it's always the biggest stretch ever like yes I'm a dipford shipper, no I don't think old men should be doing anything that Stanford would do to Dipper in a relationship to their nephews in real life. yes, I like mitsuri from demon slayer, no, I do not objectify women in real life.

[gizmo-parade]

I wanted to take a break from drawing South Park for just a moment and draw something that has been on my mind lately.

I had been thinking about a webcomic from my childhood called Grim Tales made by a complete douchebag pedo named Bleedman. The webcomic was a fanmade continuation of The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, and the comic was about Grim and Mandy falling in love and having two kids who ARE ALSO IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER. It was horrendous.

So I’ve been thinking about it, and I’ve been coming up with my own rewrite of the comic. Here are some details below:

First and foremost, I’ve changed the fact that Grim and Mandy have kids with each other. I made it to where Grim is more like a grandpa figure and Mandy instead has kids with Nergal Jr., though they aren’t married anymore.

Also, no more incest. That’s nasty.

Grim Jr. is instead going to be a nergaling called Nelson. Minimandy I haven’t changed much design wise, mainly because I liked Minnie as a kid, design included.

As for the plot, the first half would be more focused on Nelson and his jealousy towards his sister, up until her…accident. He envys his sister because she’s the one who inherited the nergal powers, and thus gets a little bit more attention than him. So yeah he’s kinda a dick to her.

The second half would be more Minnie focused, as the accident she had in Halloweentown left her very traumatized and had changed her quite a bit after she was resurrected.

But yeah that’s all I have right here.

[hill-art02]

I remember when "Western Energy" came out, there was a theory that Andre SA Stella, I didn't believe it at the time because I didn't think Viv would be dumb enough to put incest in her show

But after watching "Mastermind," I wouldn't be surprised, but I doubt Viv would take Stella's trauma seriously because she isn't the "perfect victim"

[jazzy-flowerr]

Sorry to any carrtato [I think that's what the ship is called] honeymoon and wally x esther fans out there :T

I considered putting carrtato into the random incest spot but those two aren't canonically adopted brothers that's just my headcanon :P

Also cupcest deserves more hate [fuck cupcest 🖕]

[scoobydoodean]

Ok so here's the thing, bear with me. I think I've cracked the code to why some Samgirls think that Sam is "woman-coded".

I am someone who enjoys content from many Dean ships, including Wincest (though my actual ships are DeanBenny and Destiel). 

Anyway one thing that I have noticed from spending time on the Wincest side of Tumblr is that most of the Samgirl Wincest shippers that do things like push the woman-coded!Sam reading, voted for gayer-than-Cas!Sam in the poll, etc., also believe very strongly that Dean is straight. Yes, you read that right: these Wincest shippers are convinced that Dean is straight, to the point that I've seen them get angry in the tags and call Hellers stupid for thinking that Dean could possibly be bi or queer.

So basically, there is a small but noteworthy group of vocal Samgirls that ship Wincest and see Sam as queer and Dean as straight, but say that Sam is Dean's exception because Dean "views him as a woman"/"sees him as his wife/girlfriend". 

I think that basically these particular Samgirls have constructed this strange, elaborate interpretation of the text as justification for their ship. Sam's strongest relationships in the show are always with women, so they read him as gay so that those women can't be seen as viable love interests. Meanwhile Dean has many strong (and deeply homoerotic) relationships with various men, so they read him as straight so that the men aren't competition. But then, if Dean is straight, how can he fall in love with Sam? Well, never fear!! Sam is woman-coded, so Dean doesn't even see him as a man at all *^^* And voila, with just a little bit of sexist gender stereotyping, homophobia and biphobia, they can somehow rationalize their ship while nullifying all canon competition

Thanks I hate it (meaning I think you're onto something sjdhbfjhsbd). I do also think woman-coded sam truthers are often obsessed with collecting (to them) signs of helpless victimhood status like trophies as some sort of bizarre blorbo status symbol but this tracks. For "pro-Dean" wincest shippers with these sorts of takes, I also think they're obsessed with the idea of Dean being a stupid, bumbling, uncultured jock who Sam must "humorously" and relentlessly work to educate, and making Sam gay and Dean a straight frat bro type caricature who wants to fuck his brother and doesn't know how to deal with it tickles them right where their bathingsuits go.

[antimony-medusa]

Why do MultiFandom Exchanges Run on Don't Like: Don't Read?

I was writing that writeup about the amperslash exchange last night, and I realized that some people don't know this. So. Say you are running a multifandom exchange. You got a big amount of people sign up for it, there's like 84 people signed up, and they all nominated 3 fandoms, and there's a bunch of overlap, but you are stil looking at like 120 different fandoms. You have a big mod team, for an exchange that isn't Yuletide, cause there's two of you running this exchange. Do you think that you are intimately familiar with all of those fandoms?

I have been around the internet for a long time, and I know a lot of fandoms by sight, but let me tell you, I could not tell you on-sight which of the Mass Effect relationships are canonically (or even fanonically) considered to be toxic/abusive/problematic. If you are running a multifandom exchange, there is simply no viable way to know the network of these relationships in canon, much less once you consider in fandon stuff like "these people are commonly headcanoned as siblings".

So like, say you wanted to say "no abusive relationships?" or "no incest?" I've seen exchanges try to run with that rule. You are immediately vulnerable to people coming in and saying "oh these people are canonically related" when what happened is a queercoded relationship got translated as "cousins" in the english dub. Or they mean "he's like a brother to me" that gets used as family headcanon fodder. Or a relationship where people were enemies to lovers is presented as "abusive" because of their past. And then suddenly you, the mod team of two people, is poring over localization notes and clips and fanon essays instead of doing the hundred other things that an exchange needs. Even in MCYTblr, I am aware of a lot of lore, and I keep being surprised by things like people saying "oh empires and hermit false are canonically sisters", and I watched the empires crossover. It is simply not viable to keep up with which relationships might be toxic/problematic in every relationship in every fandom on the internet. AND you're faced with things like "well this apepars to be canonically okay, but fanon would say otherwise, so if we let it through, people are still gonna be mad/hurt because the fanon is so pervasive, but if we turn it down, people are gonna be mad because canonically it's fine, so—"

It's a moderating nightmare. So the only viable way forward is to say "we will let literally anything into the exchange, be warned that there might be stuff you find objectionable in the tag set, by participating you agree that even if you disagree you're not gonna harass anyone for it" and we go. But you do want to make sure that nobody has to write a relationship they have a problem with, right? Well, that's why the "you only have to write what you offered" rule. The way the matching works is you only match to what you offered, so if there are five ships you don't agree with and two you do in the tag set, you just offer your two, and then you'll be matched on the two.

You offer what you're comfortable with, and then the algorithm does its work, and then even if you match to someone who requested something you go "oh boy" to, everyone agrees to ignore everything they didn't match to, so you just put a sticky note over that part of the screen, and continue with the one relationship you do agree with that person on.

But how do you make sure that the person who thinks that this popular relationship is abusive (they hate it and wants them to break up) and the person who thinks this relationship is actually fine and hcs it as fluffy, and the person thinks it's bad but wants to watch them destroy each other hand in unloveable hand, all get what they want? There are 84 people in your exchange, it absolutely does not work to match fluff writers to fluff writers by hand.

That's when DNWs and defaults happen. Your DNW is everything you don't want to see, so the person who wants fluff can write down "I do not want toxic dynamics" and the person who wants them to break up can DNW "happy endings", and everyone will get a gift that matches their specifications. And defaults— that's for if you match on a relationship you like, but it turns out the person you requested only wanted canon-typical homophobia and unhappy endings, and you want fluff, so you can say "actually I can't write this", you send it back to the mods, they post it as a pitch hit, and it gets picked up by someone who can look at the whole request, go "yeah I can rock with some canon-typical homophobia and unhappy endings" and opt in specifically to the request.

The whole system is set up to try and balance "everything is welcome, we are not passing judgement on your fandom" (the dl:dr attitude about what's allowed in) and "you only have to opt in to anything, nobody gets forced to write something they don't like/agree with" (you only match on what you offered and requested, you can default if someone asks something you don't like). That's the exchange space standard.

And THAT is why matching in a big exchange is always an adventure, and that's why the entire exchange space has agreed, to make this whole thing we're doing together to work, to just go "that's not for me, but you do you" and just move on when they see something they don't personally vibe with.

[the-real-rain-world-confessions]

I think people genuinely hate nontraditional dynamics in relationships in this Fandom. Can't some Moonstone shippers be left alone about not seeing them as related? The two are very easy for a caretaker and caretakee to relate to. Especially romantic or alterous queer people that are disabled. I understand the language used, but for the love of all that is good, its not hard to see the language as different due to a lot of spiritual and religious contexts in Rain World. It's not hard to leave people alone. Even incest survivors really don't see it the same way as each other and some of us have trauma with religious "family" and not blood related or adoptive family.

Hell, Sunstone is an example of a mentor x mentee dynamic and I hardly see people bitch the same way about the very obvious power dynamics there. And Milkshake, which I'd say is really fucking bad because UI outs him against his will and mocks him. Even if in a concerned manner. Pebbles has nothing BUT problematic relationships, if you really wanna be mad about Moonstone shippers having their own ideas BASED OFF OF VANILLA RAIN WORLD. Twat waffles.

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[ant1quar1an]

What AU is haze from? :0

i don't have a name for it lmao

godverse? god utmv??

everyone there has a specific role and order- kind of like greek mythology style, but without the technical-incest

like- fog's haze (his full name) is all about the abyss- the beyond. The Thing That Lurks, essentially, so his presence is usually eerie (he's genuinely just a chill guy until you push him though)

his brother, dawn's light (dream) is more of a swapdream lmao- he's got wings. he's what you can see- the Light That Brings Knowledge.

u can feel free to ask about the others btw!