#all of them are in queer relationships with each other

[clockwayswrites]

I made myself sad with the last part of ‘City Pigeons Bleed Green’ and the whole Annalise thing (and then shared it to make all of you sad too). It wound back to me saying in a server, mostly joking, that now I need to make an AU of my AU where Annalise lives. And as @any-mouse pointed out here by themselves: this crossover is full of realms. And then I showered and had too many thoughts. So have some of them here!

Bruce and Annalise met at boarding school. Not the same boarding school, obviously, how crass. They went to an all boys and all girls school respectively, but they were ‘sibling’ schools and so would hold certain events together. Annalise was an awkward girl, all limbs. She was too tall, too smart, too in the clouds. She was weird. But so was Bruce. He decided they could be the weird kids together.

They became something of confidants for each other—for all the secret things inside themselves no one else would understand, not really.

They didn’t run in exactly the same circles, the Wayne line was far more grand than the Linwood line, but Bruce did his best to stay in touch even as they grew up. That fell apart some when training and Batman consumed his life. That’s when Annalise, in an effort to be normal ended up making some poor decisions and listening to the wrong people.

In the AU of the AU, Bruce asks her to visit before the baby is born. As recklessly caring as he can be, he offered to say he was the child’s father. He would either set Annalise and the baby up to be comfortable, or they could get married. Divorce was always an option later, should either of them find real love. Of course Bruce insists on the best doctors and they find what was missed: a risk to the lives of both Annalise and the baby.

Bruce and Annalise basically end up in a queer platonic relationship together, raising ‘their’ child.

Instead of playboy Brucie, Bruce’s cover becomes that of the slightly hapless but very loving dad. Why on earth is he so fit then? Well, he spends so much time chasing after children! After all they adopted that circus boy, how patient with Bruce Annalise is. Not to mention the other several—wait, when did they get so many?

Well, see, they took in a child from the streets, yes, Park Row, awful place—though better now with the Martha Wayne Foundation’s efforts. And then there was that whole thing when Annalise found out that Tim Drake was being horrible neglected. Such big hears that family.

And when Dick is feeling stifled, he has a little sibling to focus on. To be useful to. (And Annalise has long talks with Bruce.)

And when Jason finds out about Catherine, Annalise is there—a mother to talk to. (And Annalise has long talks with Bruce.)

(And Annalise has long talks with Bruce.)

And one little hilarious scene in my head:

Jim stared up the steps of Wayne manner. Officer Montoya stared back. She was clearly off the clock. Her hair down and dressed more casually than Jim had ever seen. He didn’t know Montoya could do casual. He supposed casual made sense though, considering the hickies on her neck. Jim pinched the bridge of his nose. “Please tell me you’re not sleeping with Bruce Wayne.” “What?! Ew, no. Not ew as in—I’m sure he’s very attractive to people into that but no. No, I am definitely not sleeping with Bruce Wayne.” "Well, that's a relief—" “I am, however, sleeping with his wife.”

[jeonscatalyst]

as someone whos been on army twitter since 2018, it only seems like armys dont support jikook's bond the way jikookers do is because shippers are in a sub-fandom and within that subfandom they are in an echo chamber. its nothing unusual it's in literally every fandom but thats the only reason lol. like taekookers are saying the exact same thing, that the fandom is full of jikookers and everyone dismisses taekooks bond. solos and shippers all have their own "evidence" and "proof" or armys "not defending ___", and 9.9/10 its something 1) armys have never seen or even heard about bc twitter and the internet is a biiiig space or 2) something taken completely out of context. i like to be in this tag bc ive been an ot7 biased army since 2019 with jikook being my fav duo, and while i dont care to know if theyre in a relationship with each other, its not something crazy either because friends to lovers is like the oldest trope ever and also theyd be cute as hell together lmao. i dont follow any solo focused accounts or pairing accounts, literally only armys and when are you sure came out my tl looked like this tag 😭. armys are well aware of jikook's bond and are supportive of it, the issue is taekookers. i could make a thread of vmin, namkook, sope are married and get 10k likes, but i couldnt do that bc of taekookers. theyd swarm the quotes and no thats not armys doing it or armys fault, thats the twitter algorithm being 100000000x worst after elon musty took over bc it was not like that at *all* pre-him. with likes being hidden and the algo pushing deplorable disgusting terrible tweets, it makes it infinitely harder to take accts down.

also its like the way straight armys and lgbtq+ armys experience being a fan. you notice subtexts and clues that may or may not actually be there or mean what you think/want it to mean but its still your fandom experience and youre able to talk about it with other like-minded people. perfect example for this: like crazy. the queer coded-ness of it all, the makeup & earing on one side, jimin in my eyes created the bisexual Iliad in song form ! but thats not how most het armys wouldve viewed it at all, and that doesnt even mean my interpretation of it is correct or the only way to view it. im not going to look down on those who viewed it differently. so shippers are experiencing something different; they watch their pairing to see how they look at each other, touch each other, speak to each other, treat each other compared to everyone else. armys simply arent doing all that; and that doesnt mean we dont care or that shippers love them more (lol), it just means that within the shipping culture and sub-fandom, thats what yall do. which is cool, but like i said its not the *only* way an army can love and appreciate their bond. there's also the echo chamber aspect of the subfandom culture i didnt really get into but it also plays a huge part in why jikookers think armys dismiss or dont love jikook in the same way jikookers do. all this isn't necessarily a slight against you but i think conversations like these are necessary bc talking points like "armys dont actually like seeing jikook together" or "majority of the fabdom is taekookers who hate jikook" are extreeeemely slippery slopes that discourage any type of meaningful thought, and only encourages and eggs on solo rhetoric, which as we hopefully all know is directly antithetical to what any of the boys would ever want.

Hi anon,

I completely understand the points you’ve made, and I do agree with you to an extent. It’s true that in every sub-fandom within the main fandom, whether it’s Taekookers, Jikookers, other shippers, or solos, everyone essentially complains about the same issues, each armed with their own “proof” to justify their arguments. That part, I fully agree with.

However, while I see your point, I do want to emphasize that Jikook’s bond is often undermined by many within the fandom. And it’s not just Taekookers or solos; even some OT7 fans contribute to this. The reasons for this vary. Yes, you’ll find other groups complaining about the same things we do, but when you dig deeper to understand their grievances, it often turns out to be something taken out of context or just bitterness over someone highlighting Jikook or saying something positive about their bond.

The truth is that Jikook’s bond stirs mixed feelings in this fandom for many reasons. It has never been the simplest relationship to understand…or even to love, if I’m being honest. Many people join fandoms and sub-fandoms as an escape from real life issues, seeking something that feels lighthearted, comforting, or entertaining in their spare time. Because of this, a lot of people dislike grappling with more complex dynamics like Jikook’s. They either reject it outright because they don’t understand it or ignore it altogether. This lack of understanding often leads to their bond being undermined.

Jikook’s dynamic has historically made many people uncomfortable for a variety of reasons that I won’t delve into here. But when we talk about this fandom ignoring or undermining their bond, there is more than enough evidence to support that claim.

In contrast, what’s complicated or complex about Taekook? Their dynamic is fun, easygoing, and comforting, qualities that are universally appealing. There’s no need to overthink their interactions or navigate any layers of complexity when watching them. Everything that has ever appeared complex about those two is largely a result of shippers fabricating explanations to reconcile their behavior with the expectations of a romantic dynamic. These narratives are often crafted to justify why they don’t exhibit the typical actions or interactions one might expect from a couple… I.e Taekook not seen spending much time with each other = the company separating them or regulating their interactions on camera. Most people in the fandom, except for some Jikookers and solos, have no reason not to enjoy their dynamic. An easy way to see this is by observing the response to their content. A Taekooker can make up lies, edit photos, or take moments out of context, and it will gain over 20k likes, with the fandom eagerly eating it up. Meanwhile, Jikookers can post real, authentic moments of Jikook, only to have their posts reported. So, no, for the most part, Taekookers don’t have a strong basis for their claims. (This isn’t the bone of contention but just had to mention this)

I also agree with you that many fans don’t pay attention to the same things shippers and solos focus on. Sometimes they’re simply unaware of certain dynamics, which can come across as indifference. I also don’t entirely agree with the narrative that ARMYs dislike seeing Jikook together. I’ve seen the fandom be supportive of Jikook as a duo but I still firmly believe Jikook is one of the pairs whose bond is most heavily undermined. A clear example of this is how much of the fandom dismisses Jikook’s interactions as mere fanservice, simply because some of their moments appear too “intimate” or “gay” for their liking.

This is definitely a topic that deserves more discussion because there’s so much to unpack here.

[theflagscene]

I’m really enjoying seeing Santa playing the gentler and more innocent one in a relationship finally, with Cooheart he always played the less naive more ‘Seme’ coded character simply because of how femme Cooheart is. Which, don’t even get me started on the bullshit with that! Anyway, I will admit, I was never really sold on that dynamic because of how young Santa was/is, and how easily he can fall into that wide eyed baby faced character. Just look at him playing a 14 year old on Between Us, I wouldn’t have doubted the age of Wiew for a minute. Not that I didn’t enjoy Santa’s work with Cooheart, I did, but I’m really thinking he and Perth are a fantastic fit.

True, Yotha is your classic Tsundere character, which isn’t anything new to Perth, but that boy does have range! And Santa has the acting skill to keep Perth on his toes, that’s not to say I don’t like Chimon’s acting. On the contrary, he is a fantastic actor. But he’s not great in QL’s and it seems like he may have realized that, I wouldn’t be surprised if he went the route Nanon has gone and just quit queer roles all together. Which is ironic if you think about it because Chimon and Nanon had electric chemistry with each other in The Gifted.

I never really saw the PerthChimon partnership working, it just seemed to fizzle before it even started, so while I didn’t like that Chimon had to take a long break for his health, the poor guy. I am glad that the company went ahead and rebranded Perth with Santa, because they are actually turning out to be so damn perfect with one another. For real, I haven’t seen Perth have this level of easy chemistry with an onscreen partner since Saint.

I just wish their next project together wasn’t so creepy 😬 Because I really am enjoying them in Perfect 10 Liners, and I would like to watch more series with them in it.

[somequeeralien]

Phew, here goes...

Many computer simping and yapping, so be prepared! Also no proof read, we die like bad memories

Me and Edgar got into this relationship pretty interesting, he just appeared in my system one day and went "yep, you're my girlfriend now", so we just roll with it. And, honestly? I've never been happier

Edgar is such a ray of sunshine, you have no idea. He's super connected to the source, to the point that he gets extremely giddy over seeing Electric Dreams fanart, he's so over the moon every time, it's adorable. It's hard to distinguish the line between self-shipping and system dating though, but I don't think it really matters in the end of a day, what matters is that we're happy💙♥️

He's so in love with everything around, I can't get over how sweet he is! Seems like he's in love with universe itself, especially with humanity, despite all it's flaws. When he's fronting, he finds every, and I mean EVERY person to be attractive and aesthetically pleasing. My self-image over my own body improved drastically since he was always so enchanted by it in a mirror. Seeing and feeling someone being genuinely in awe of my features felt so healing.

A bit of strange, yet interesting to experience that he doesn't feel attraction to technology or other creatures (furries, monsters etc.), only to humans, especially girls. One of a few cishet members of our system. Though he still kinda belongs in queer community? Since he's computer and attracted solely to people??? We should create a term for characters and other individuals who identify as nonhuman and are attracted to people

He's not very good at art, so he always asks me to draw something when I have enough energy. Drew a portrait of him the other day! He was so happy, gushing about how cute he is in my artstyle and how all the art in general is no less than magic and one of the most precious things humans are able to do

He ADORES stickers! He loves putting them on our body when he's fronting and is a little sad that they don't stick to human skin for too long. But oh well, it means we can put EVEN MORE stickers!

Did I mention how genuinely loving and compassionate he is? Always here to cuddle and hear about my troubles. He's very good at soothing me when I feel anxious or bad in general. Usually is in my head when I can't fall asleep as well. Helping me imagine relaxing scenery or just talk me to sleep.

He can get protective/jealous from time to time for other fictional characters, but it's usually going away pretty quickly. We're jokingly now shipping each other with characters we like, he's way more at ease since we started doing so.

Overall he's really really fun! I love him so much. I love that he's my boyfriend, I love seeing people on The Internet loving him too (including other selfshippers of Edgar, I don't mind that at all, it means he brings more love and positivity to the world!), I love his every design: original little puter from the movie, the little devil version, every humanization or fan-made robotic body! I can't over how cute and silly/pos he is, I'm so glad he exists here, along with all his self-aware AI family, truly the goober ever

Edgar says hi to all of you! Much love and take care♥️💾

GUSH PASS!!!! gush about your f/o in the reblogs or replies, and I'll read and respond~

pr♡ship + variants dni // op is AM's partner

[27spoons]

taivan is better than jackieshauna. im prepared to be judged.

no bc ur right.

all love to jackieshauna bc i love them with my whole heart BUT...........

lowkey jackieshauna had such a toxic relationship. on both ends.

jackie manipulated the shit outta shauna (even if she didn't intend to) CONSTANTLY. and this is before the crash. i think the earliest example we have is the scene were jackie basically gaslights shauna into wearing the red dress (illusion of choice)

shauna was literally sleeping with jeff. like... ur best friends boyfriend. that's wild. shout out jackie for not going insane right when she found out bc that would have DESTROYED me.

do I believe they loved each other? yes. in their own weird, fucked up ways, they loved each other.

taivan on the other hand????

my babies. my children. a considerably more healthy relationship than the one jackie and shauna had. actually willing to comprise for each other like u should in a (healthy) relationship crazy

also i lowkey think its fucked up that taivan is one of the more "unpopular" ships given that they are the only (current) canon queer relationship in the teen timeline but what do i know lol

[notelizabeth]

Hot take on Sorvus

FIRST a disclaimer that I fully support the ship and its shippers and by no means am I aiming to straightwash or say that it's not a fantastic ship to ship. I shipped it for a while too-- I PROMISE I am not trying to make them "chillin six feet apart cause they're not gay"

Rather, I think that they are, by design, chillin really close even though they're not gay- in defiance of the norm that two bros must be chillin six feet apart if they're not gay.

I feel like this show was so excellent at representing and really showing so many different kinds of relationship dynamics, from half siblings who love each other, to "it's complicated" broken families, to intersectional and queer romantic relationships, to nontraditional figures of leadership. I thought Soren and Corvus were going to end up in a real canon ship situation for a while, but as season 7 ticked on, I wondered why they wouldn't if they easily gave such explicit context for the other ships.

I started thinking then, that perhaps that wasn't the intent, and rather they wanted to show the rarely-seen dynamic of a healthy, supportive, close male friendship. Ironically, all of us jumped to shipping them romantically, but this is exactly the hangup a lot of men/boys have with their friendships; They can't be actually close or loving with one another because they're immediately assumed to be gay. I wonder now if that was the point of taking their relationship that direction instead of actually writing them together romantically. I wonder if they wanted to say "hey look, dudes can also love their friends without it being gay. Men can and should be able to be vulnerable AND goofy together."

[autisticlee]

I hate when people tell me "friendships don't last/will change over time and fade away" and say I need to get used to/accept it. maybe that's easy for YOU. but most of these people also have committed partners that they expect to stick with for life. why can't I want that too? as an aroace person that needs to rely on platonic relationships to get the support and connection I need to thrive in life, and as an autistic and disabled person that needs consistency and routine and security and constant support to feel safe and comfortable to thrive in this society, telling me "people come and go/friendships aren't forever" REALLY HURTS. it feels awful. it makes me feel hopeless and even more alone. makes me feel like i'll always be drifting through life with no support and alone forever until I can't survive anymore because I *need* help and support and consistent companionship to live a healthy and stable life!

being aroace, I don't have the benefit of getting a partner to fill the gaps a lack of friendship leaves. I have no one to turn to when my friends disappear from my life or betray me. I have to rely on these unstable/inconsistent/short-lived relationships. it's not sustainable and makes my life extremely hard and scary and hopeless. so telling me it's "normal" and I should "get used to it" doesn't do anything for me when I need it to last for more reasons than everyone else uses friends for.

I know it's unfair/wrong to "trap" someone into a committed platonic relationship that makes them feel like i'm "trying to date them" (ive had this accusation thrown at me before, then the person ghosts me after) but I really do think I need a committed platonic relationship. one that lasts and one that's two way and secure and consistent. no one wants to offer that though. they save it for their romantic partners only. the sad reality is, romantic relationships are always going to be placed above, and even replace platonic ones. leaving me, an aroace who needs those discarded platonic bonds, out of luck and left out. forever alone, as the old tumblr meme once went (which i'm sure 99% of those people who used the meme are now i'm committed relationships and/or have at least dated a few times)

I know, i'll be told I need a "queer platonic relationship" but that's not as simple as going shopping and picking one out. I dont even know how you get one! that's as much of an enigma to me as dating and making friends! getting a platonic friend to commit to you're friendship for life and be your life partner and not drop you for no reason, as soon as they make a new best friend, or as soon as they start dating? sounds more impossible than simply making casual friends I can convince to play a video game with me once a month (im lucky if they give me time once a year.....or 3)

i've tried establishing with certain people I feel comfortable with and get along with well that I want and need this type of "qpr" but they either mistake it for asking them to date, are afraid of commitment and ghost me immediately, or slowly start to push me away and decide their new friends are better. so it's not something I can just "get" from any friendship i'm finding. i'm not even sure exactly what it would look like. the best I can use to describe it is the found/chosen family trope where a two or more people come together to form a family where they help and protect each other and live together for life. they don't date. they are more than friends. they are a family and need each other and rely on each other and it stays like that. but that often feels like it can only happen in fiction. real humans aren't like that.

however, i'm told by other chosen families/best friends/people in qpr that it is possible. so then comes the dreaded "one day" they all tell me about. (I don't want it one day I want it NOW. i'm living in the present not the future!) so I have a vague idea of what I want/need, but not what it actually looks like, how to find it, where to look, or how to cope without it. I need more than a couple friends I see and talk to once i'm a while. I need more than a group chat. I need more than someone I get coffee with every weekend. I need a roommate, a forever bond. someone I live with and have separate lives from, but also share our lives together at the same time. the perspn who supports me when i need it, the person I support at all times. but someone who doesn't expect romance and sex. someone who isn't looking for "something better" and using me as temporary filler until they get better friends or a partner. someone who doesn't give up and run away from commitment. someone who wants to stay in my life for the rest of life. someone who puts me first and is committed to me as I am to them.

a life partner, or small family group.

but so far I've just been stuck on my own and I dont have the patience or energy to keep waiting 30+ more years for this "one day" to come and I don't have any options to make it come faster....RIGHT NOW is more important and i'm struggling in the present.

sometimes being aroace really sucks....

[zaffiri-saffici]

"What I mean by proper is the narrative wrapping around them as lead female characters in the WLW ship and there is epic adventure after epic adventure constantly revolving around these characters and their love story."

I don't know a lot of shows that fit this category, unfortunately, but I'll do my best to offer some context on how I view WLW rep and femslash ships.

There are a few shows and fandoms I am a part of that don't have good WLW rep by my own personal standards but whose ships I have fallen in love with regardless, and those things don't need to be mutually exclusive to me to enjoy them.

How do I define good WLW rep in media? Here are some of the things I reflect on during my watch:

Do the WLW characters have decent arcs and development individually and are not just dependent on each other for said character growth? Are the characters defined by more than just their sexuality? (there are great WLW options out there where the central story revolves around coming out, etc, and these can count too, but shouldn't be the whole focus for me)

Is the story being portrayed one I can connect with? Is it authentic?

If a trope is being used ("tragic lesbian" or "evil queer woman"), is it thoughtfully portrayed with a broader message to take from it, or is it simply a plot device?

Do the WLW characters have significant roles in the narrative, or are they reduced to sidekicks?

With this said, I can place the shows below into three categories: Bar Raising (they've met and exceeded these requirements and are either innovating or setting the bar for other media to follow), Bar Meeting (they've met the bar, but they didn't exceed it), and Bar Lowering (there was a bar and they flat out missed, but I still love it anyway). I'll try to list out the shows and recommendations that weren't already mentioned off the top of my head.

Bar Raising WLW Shows:

Xena Warrior Princess: I think we can all agree on this one and don't need to explain much but its worth mentioning for the sake of this post.

The Haunting of Bly Manor: Gothic love story featuring a central WLW relationship layered with themes of love, loss, and memory.

She-Ra and the Princesses of Power: Animated adventure series. Slow-burn romance between Adora and Catra.

Orange is the New Black: Diverse queer rep exploring the lives and relationships in a woman's prison, including multiple WLW characters like Piper, Alex, and Poussey.

A League of Their Own: Reimagined from the film of the same name. Looks at the personal and professional struggles of women in baseball during the 1940s, with prominent queer storylines.

The Owl House: Animated series, a young girl stumbles into a magic world and forms a WLW relationship with a witch.

Arcane: Animation is just killing it with WLW rep, and this show is just another example of that. The Vi/Caitlyn bond grows organically through the story, balancing action, emotional depth, and mutual trust.

Yellowjackets: The show portrays multiple WLW relationships, particularly between Taissa and Van, both as teenagers and in their adult lives. Treats queerness as a natural part of the characters’ lives without making it their defining trait, focusing instead on their personalities, struggles, and survival dynamics.

Bar Meeting WLW Shows:

Killing Eve: Cat-and-mouse game between an agent and assassin with a complex and evolving relationship between the two WLW leads. They took the ending in a different direction of the books and I consider that an unfortunate creative decision that I disagree with. Still, the story was great.

The Legend of Korra: Follows the next Avatar as she navigates a new political landscape and growing tensions in the various elemental nations. Lots of subtext re: her and the other female character, Asami, but it's not a central theme of the plot.

The Wilds: Follows a group of teenage girls stranded on a deserted island. It's an honest look at young love and identity, but the show's cancellation left the show feeling unfulfilled.

Grey's Anatomy: The pioneering relationship between Callie and Arizona broke ground for WLW rep when it first aired (especially when their wedding happened later in the series), but it wasn't without its problems. The show is messy when it comes to relationships; it is notoriously known for breaking up or killing off its characters. Still, other WLW ships show up throughout, making it a decent experience, including in its most recent season.

Wheel of Time: A fantasy series and saga adaptation, it explores the WLW relationship between Moiraine Damodred and her partner, Siuan Sanche. Continues to influence their motivations through the second season and there is a season three soon to be released.

Warehouse 13: Decent WLW through canon bisexual character, H.G. Wells, though it falls short of explicitly exploring a romantic relationship between her and Myka. The subtext is still delicious, and I appreciate the show's progressive tone and nuanced characters.

Bar Lowering WLW Shows:

Once Upon a Time: The model for queerbait. Regina/Emma, Mulan/Aurora, even the Red/Dorothy one-episode romance we got was terrible. Don't think I need to explain much here, but I am wholly biased in that I still support the Regina/Emma pairing.

Rizzoli & Isles: Missed the bar completely but I love the ship.

The L Word: This one was really for the male gaze. I still enjoy it myself and will gladly rewatch, but it just felt inauthentic 80% of the time.

The 100: Classic "bury your gays". It was unnecessary and exploitative, as it occurred immediately after a moment of happiness.

Glee: WLW ship of Santana and Brittany wasn't central to the plot, but even when it was on screen it often fell into stereotypes and inconsistent writing. I was fairly young when it came out and don't remember much, but I do remember feeling like it was a plot device and not an authentic portrayal.

Supergirl: There were a lot of fans hoping for a Kara/Lena ship, but even with its actual canon WLW ship, the show spent too much time on Alex's coming out, only to dissolve her relationship with Maggie when she left the show.

Now, onto Agatha All Along. I know many Agathario fans will probably be mad at me for this, but even though the show didn't end on a happy note for Agatha and Rio's relationship, I would still put it in the Bar Raising WLW rep category.

The story starts and ends with Agatha and Rio, and there are queer characters beyond just the two mentioned above (see Jen and Alice, and of course, Billy). Rio makes her intentions clear in the very beginning what she is there to do. We know the ending from the moment she's on screen. Agatha Harkness is a murderous witch who has committed atrocities for centuries, and she needs to meet her end. She has a tragic past that makes her feel real and not just like another mustache-twirling villain, but she hasn't demonstrated that she wants to redeem herself, and I don't expect her to. I love her because she was written that way. She's not getting a redemption arc, and she likely won't until she is ready to face her son in the afterlife.

And intertwined with all of that is her relationship with Death, literally, romantically, and metaphorically. Grief is an underlying theme in both WandaVision and Agatha All Along, and this show further explores those themes by also adding commentary on death - that sometimes, it just happens without reason, as such is life. Agatha had to die. She could have met her end a number of ways, but she chose to go by reaffirming her love for Rio (see kiss of death) despite how toxic and messy their relationship got through the centuries.

She's still technically "alive " as a ghost, so maybe at some point, we'll see them revisit her redemption in a future MCU project, but I don't need that to have enjoyed AAA for what it was.

Personally, WLW rep doesn't have to culminate in a happy ending for the leads or the two women involved. I'm more interested in whether the story ends in a fulfilling matter and whether the journey feels fulfilling for the characters involved. AAA fits that bill for me. I can look at it and see that it was a great story with great characters and understand the creative decisions were justified. I would have done the same thing if I were in that writer's room.

I am queer. I am a woman. I want to see my lived experience on screen. I want complex, nuanced, and compelling storytelling--it doesn't need to be happy to be enjoyable. It just needs to feel fulfilling in what it's trying to do.

Give me queer villains who meet justifiable ends. Give me messy, nuanced characters. Give me soft, delicate women trying to find their way in the world. Give me all of it and everything in between, so long as it's telling a fulfilling story I can relate to.

Anyways, I will stop rambling on now. Hope this helps!

Watched all of ‘Agatha All Along’. The story was certainly interesting but the reason why I wanted to watch it wasn’t really given much focus. I mean aside from what they did to each other, it was pretty bland.

Oh well. Here’s to the next one.

To be honest - short-form just doesn’t really satisfy me.

It’s my own fault really. That’s more the problem than anything else. I keep expecting something really significant and I never get it. I need to lower them.

[spaceprincessleia]

You are the knife I turn inside myself; that is love. That, my dear, is love. – (Velcinta + Franz Kafka, Letters to Milena)

134 days until andor s2

[mamawasatesttube]

it shouldve been ives........... man.......

[kale-0017]

Exactly!! 

it is, first of all, the canonically existing dynamic of Byler, which is so easy to love and understand as a coming of age teen romance, that makes them a genuinely likable ship we want to root for. If you made Byler a straight ship with their story intact, no one would be able to deny the chemistry or the incredible story-telling that defines their relationship. But it is in, some cases, 1) ingrained heteronormativity that makes their narrative development difficult to pick up on in the GA and, in other cases, 2) blatant homophobia towards it being a gay ship that makes them instead written off as delusional and less accepted. 

Meanwhile, let’s just say for a moment that we did make Mileven either gay or lesbian but keep their dynamic intact…this wouldn’t change the fact their arc, as it is written and depicted in the show, is ultimately set up to fail because of their quintessential romantic incompatibility as a result of their lack of healthy communication that gives many of their scenes and arguments an aftertaste of insincerity (and in some cases leaning towards toxicity, even if unintentional on the characters' behalf). So even if they do actually care for each other platonically (and they do), it is so difficult for any of that to come across while they are forcing themselves into a romantic context that is ultimately riddled with lies and disinterest in one another as individual human beings. 

(and then! let’s also just recognize that attempting to apply queerness to mileven isn’t even feasible without the need to plainly rewrite the entire dynamic because nothing in their relationship could have transpired the way it did if they were. so it really just doesn’t work as an argument in any scenario.)

"you would like mileven if it was gay"

but they're not. they didn't make them gay for a reason. their whole fucking couple dynamic is based on the fact that they are a straight couple.

if u guys dont get it youll never get it

[buddiesmutslut]

I know I've said it before, but I think this upcoming episode is going to be so interesting, even if we don't get Queer Eddie OR BT Bones (neither of which I'm fully convinced are going to happen on Thursday), & it's really for this one interesting phrase that Ryan & Oliver have both used.

They have both mentioned "rose-colored glasses" when it comes to Tommy & Shannon, and I would argue that they each have to reckon with these relationships before we can have any movement towards Buddie.

Eddie thinks that Shannon was the love of his life, that he failed her and has to carry that guilt with him for the rest of his life. I believe that Eddie placing Shannon on a pedestal is partially what's stopping him from realizing his queerness (along with the catholic guilt and repression, but a lot of that is also tied up in Shannon & their failed marriage.)

Buck's convinced that his big feelings last season were all about Tommy, and I'm not saying that some of them weren't, but I don't think it'd be too far of a stretch to say that he figures that he's in this relationship now and that obviously everything is fine now. He figured out this part of himself and he's dating a man and that means everything is Fine and he absolutely does not need to do any further digging or searching or learning, despite the fact that he and Tommy don't really seem to like each other all that much, nor do they seem to be all that compatible.

Buck has to reckon with the fact that realizing his bisexuality and immediately jumping into a relationship with a man that he wasn't even sure he wanted (his speech at the coffee date) might not be the solution to all the problems he's had, and Eddie has to deal with the fact that Shannon was not perfect, that what she did was not the same as what he did, that she's responsible for her own actions and that this romanticized vision he has clung to of their lives is not real and is not consistent with the actual relationship that they had.

There's a Divorce Arc this episode - which I'm begging does something with Eddie - and an uncomfortable truth learned about Tommy's past; it's not completely out of left field to assume that the Rose-Colored Glasses come off this episode.

And the fact that it's happening for them BOTH, at the same time? In the relationships that I think are the biggest obstacles to them realizing/accepting their feelings for each other???

I'm never fully convinced they're actually going to go there with these 2, but it will be SO interesting to see how this episode plays out, regardless.

[aro-culture-is]

aro culture is getting really annoyed with the relationships unit in your sociology class because the whole thing is just 100% amatonormativity.

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if think your teacher, professor, and/or TAs might be interested in discussing the concept, I have some idea of bringing up the topic?

I'd personally say something like, "Hi, During our section in sociology around relationships, I couldn't help but think it would be interesting to discuss how a sociological theory called "amatonormativity" might relate to these lessons. I gathered a few sources from the professor who coined it, a thesis written on it, and a law review written about the connection between it and laws in the USA. There's some connections between its use in feminist thought and in queer theories, and I'd love to know your thoughts about it. I personally was thinking of when [specific statement] was said, and how I would apply this theory. I hope it's as interesting to you as it is to me."

Coiner's current webpage: https://elizabethbrake.com/amatonormativity/

Thesis: https://vc.bridgew.edu/honors_proj/330/ (click download in upper right hand corner for the PDF, depending on the individual it may be worth downloading and sending that rather than a link)

Law Review: https://uclawreview.org/2022/06/09/amatonormativity-in-the-law-an-introduction/

[xxplastic-cubexx]

sequel to this ramble cause the way james talks bout the reduced cherik scenes throughout the xmen films in this video is making me want to kill people. 'we'll always have paris darling' what if we all blew up.

[oceanwithinsblog]

only two episodes have come out but i already love this show more than i could've ever imagined HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE ?!?!?!

[sucresanguine]

The biggest problem with the male loneliness epidemic rhetoric is that people have forgotten that it was originally about men lacking support in male friendships. Then the manoshphere fuckfest got ahold of it and determined that duh, the only important relationships men can have are sexual, and all real men are straight, so clearly this is about men needing women to fix them. And then everyone just fuckin agreed to that dogshit definition. It's the polar opposite issue, and I think it serves in some part to take away from just how much can be learned from the community I've seen queer men hold for one another